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Roy Paul
02-04-2018, 08:30 PM
Hi just received my Z49 SNP pack results and my Haplogroup is Y4355/FGC20777 on the S8183/FGC20812 branch, I'm Negative for Y17276 and SNP Y14088 was not in the Z49 pack. I would like to know if in fact that I have reached the end of my testing as FTDNA is not recommending any other SNP testing and of course everyone says do Big Y but what would I get out of Big Y except to possibly find new SNP's on my branch ? Thank's for any feedback and help with any direction I could take !

Petr
02-04-2018, 11:42 PM
Z49 SNP pack has FGC20775 = Y14088 and others in my branch: FGC20778, FGC20779, FGC20781, FGC20780, FGC20782, FGC20786.

MitchellSince1893
02-05-2018, 03:38 AM
Hi just received my Z49 SNP pack results and my Haplogroup is Y4355/FGC20777 on the S8183/FGC20812 branch, I'm Negative for Y17276 and SNP Y14088 was not in the Z49 pack. I would like to know if in fact that I have reached the end of my testing as FTDNA is not recommending any other SNP testing and of course everyone says do Big Y but would I get out of Big Y except to possibly find new SNP's on my branch ? Thank's for any feedback and help with any direction I could take !

You might be positive for:
Y4355> FGC20800, FGC20808, FGC20811, FGC20801 or
Y4355> BY33898, BY33903, BY33902, BY33916, BY33907, BY33917, BY33920, BY33909, BY33912, BY33929, BY33918, BY33910, Y26007, BY33913 or
Y4355> Yet to be discovered branch

You can do some individual SNP tests for the first two, but in the long run, I think would end up spending less/learning more, if you purchased BigY during the next sale.

Roy Paul
02-05-2018, 11:12 PM
Thank's for your feedback ! As for the SNP's Petr posted I'm Negative for all of those and the SNP's Mitchell posted none are in the Z49 SNP pack so if I'm Negative for Y17276 & Y14008/FGC29775 I'm leaning toward what Mitchell posted Y4355>Yet to be discovered branch or possibly FGC20800 but FTDNA does not offer that SNP so I guess only BigY can tell !

MitchellSince1893
02-06-2018, 05:48 PM
Thank's for your feedback ! As for the SNP's Petr posted I'm Negative for all of those and the SNP's Mitchell posted none are in the Z49 SNP pack so if I'm Negative for Y17276 & Y14008/FGC29775 I'm leaning toward what Mitchell posted Y4355>Yet to be discovered branch or possibly FGC20800 but FTDNA does not offer that SNP so I guess only BigY can tell !

Somebody’s got to be the first one on a new branch. 3 years ago I was the first member of a new branch based on my bigy and now we have ~30 members.

Roy Paul
02-11-2018, 07:31 PM
I'm Y4355 and have found that I'm Negative for (Y17276 and Y16875), (FGC20775 and FGC20780), and S8172 so on Yfull if you are Negative for those SNP's it indicates I must be is Y14145/FGC20800, on the Big Tree it shows a small group of 4 men under Y14145 1 is from Ireland he is Y14145* with no additional SNP's the other 3 men are Czech and have additional SNP's but they are Positive for FGC20775 which I am not so I suppose I'm either with Mr. Long from Ireland Y14145* or I'm a new branch of Y14145 would I be correct in this synopsis ?

MitchellSince1893
02-11-2018, 09:36 PM
...so I suppose I'm either with Mr. Long from Ireland Y14145* or I'm a new branch of Y14145 would I be correct in this synopsis ?

You might be with Mr Long on Y4355> FGC20800

You might be Y4355> FGC20800> New branch

You might be on Y4355> New branch

You might be on Y4355>BY33898 with 414339

Roy Paul
02-25-2018, 04:03 PM
Hi just an update as to a new incoming member of Y4355 Mr. Myers kit# 635859 currently R-Y4354, I just spoke to Mr. Myers and he did the Nevgen SNP test for S8183 and it came back 97% positive for Y4355 he has purchased the Y4355 SNP from FTDNA and is awaiting his results. Mr. Myers is only 6 points of difference from me @ Y67 markers and he upgraded from Y67 to Y111 and his closest match is still me. His ancestral village in Baden Germany and is only about 100 km/62 miles from my ancestral village in Rhineland-Pfalz so quite close. As for Mitchell's suggestion regarding kit# 414339>BY33898 who is grouped with me but has 17 points of difference from me @ Y67 markers is not to my thinking as closely related as Mr. Myers is ?

asquecco
04-02-2018, 06:12 PM
Could somehow my R-S8183 be related to the Lombards Migration to Italy?
Just comparing the current surname distributions of my best matches in YFull (TMRCA 2800 ybp) with mine and with the Lombard migration path.
I know surnames and ancient migrations are like apples and oranges but just asking out of curiosity.

22434

Roy Paul
06-02-2018, 03:47 PM
Just a question, Could S8183 be the Keltoi branch as mentioned by the Greek's and Roman's ?

Dolomites
09-03-2018, 09:25 AM
Good morning, I followed the discussion. I write from the Ladine Dolomites. My mother is ladina (my mtdna U5) ... my father is from Friuli ... my Ydna is under evaluation ... for the moment they are R1b-U152, L2, Z49 .... at the moment yseq is evaluating s8183 and FG20796 .... it would be interesting to understand if s8183 of Friuli can be linked to the Lombard migrations .... another question ... in my opinion already L2 is more Celtic than italic .... z49 could be almost exclusively only Hallstatt? Thanks for the information ... I'm a neophyte ... but I'm very interested ... thanks. Greetings from the Dolomites

Roy Paul
09-06-2018, 02:49 AM
The Gauls. The story of the first sack of Rome is steeped in myth and legend, but it most likely began when the young city became embroiled in a conflict with a band of Gallic Celts led by the warlord Brennus. On July 18, 387 B.C., the two sides met in battle along the banks of the River Allia. Your Z49 S8183 Lombard Hallstatt theory makes perfect scene ! Although the Roman historian Livy of the first-centuries B. C.E. and C. E. reported a migration that occurred as early as 600 b. c.e. is suspect, there is evidence of some movement of prehistoric Hallstatt groups—peoples ancestral to the Celts—through Alpine passes to the Lombard lake district in the sixth and fifth centuries B. C.E.; typical Hallstatt burials have been found there. But the main thrust southward was at the end of the fifth century b. c.e. as successive waves of Celts arrived, each bypassing the territories of their brethren to move ever farther south. Tribes named in accounts include the Insubres, who conquered the territory around Milan; the Cenomani, who entered Brescia and Verona; the Leponti around Lake Maggiore, and the Libici and Saluvii. The Boii and Lingones passed on, moving south of the Po. Among the last to arrive, the Senones went to umbria and the Adriatic coastal zone.

Dolomites
09-06-2018, 09:49 AM
Very interesting. For many centuries the Celtic tribes have been present in my Dolomitic areas (north-north east italy) CATUBRINES (CADORE = Catu - bhr̥ĝhā ... Hill of the battle ..) and the Celts CARNI ... My land is called COMELICO (probably from the Celtic..Cumba-lug ... valley of Lug ..) .. the mountain of my country is called DOO (celt ... DUN..DUNUM ...) .... very interesting ... they told me that they are R1b L2 Z49 S8183 ... that at this point I feel strongly Celtic ... Central Europe ... with little Italic mix ... is it possible? thank you very much

asquecco
09-06-2018, 06:46 PM
Hi,
I'm Z49+ S8183+ from Italy/Friuli and I'm looking for other S8183+ from Italy.
At the moment the total count of my search is 2 (including me), both from Friuli.
At YFull the country of origin of my closest SNP match (around 1,000 BC) is Germany.
Adriano

Dolomites
09-06-2018, 08:38 PM
Hi, nice to meet you. I live in the Dolomites. My mother is of Ladin ethnic ... my father is from Friuli ... as I said yseq brought me back to L2 Z49 S8183 ... now there is an evaluation of Y4353 ... yseq refers me to a page where I saw several Friulians with Y5383 ... maybe it's also my case ... we'll see ... it would be interesting to understand the origin, in Friuli, of Y5383 ... maybe the Celtic meats? Perhaps, being s8183 predominantly north east europe ... the Lombards? Or other populations spent in Friuli? ... from what I understand, reading various documentation on the internet ... L2 is given as Italian-Celtic ... I would talk about Celtic-Alpine ... I think it's L2 and Z49 may be due probably to Central European Celts ... unfortunately I have other skills and I deal with other scientific fields professionally .... but everything is very interesting !!

Roy Paul
09-07-2018, 04:16 AM
Hi I have only tested to Y4355 formed 4500 ybp under FGC20796 and believe it to be Alpine Celtic or Continental Keltoi as the Greeks referred to us and I have no Italic ancestry my family is from south western Germany.

asquecco
09-11-2018, 12:15 PM
Just to recap: based on my search results, at the moment in Italy/Friuli the S8183 breakdown is the following
4 S8183+ lines
...1 S22778 (NGS)
...1 Y4355 (23andme V5)
...2 generic S8183
Adriano

Roy Paul
05-12-2019, 08:35 PM
BigY 700 results came in and my Haplogroup is R-BY129625 under R-S8183 - Y4355 - FGC20800 now I know who I am !!