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eastara
02-21-2018, 12:47 PM
Some of the genomes from the previous study "The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe" were published and analysed by Genetiker.
The "Golden man", the burial with the largest gold collection found in prehistoric Europe is identified as haplogroup T-M184. Previously he was only CT in the study. Anather sample from Varna, previously R1, is now proven R1b-V88.

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2018/02/21/y-snp-calls-from-ancient-southeastern-europe/

ANI152 / VAR43
Supine inhumation of a mature-senile male (50-65 years). The grave is extraordinary richly
furnished with seven heavy copper implements, more than 1000 single gold items, jewelry
made out of the shells of Spondylus and imported minerals, and highly sophisticated flint
tools. The social interpretation of VAR43 is mainly based on the rich grave goods and only in
small part based on the so far reported anthropological data. Muscle marks on the skeleton
show that the bones were exposed to great physical stress until shortly before his death. The
strong muscles of his lower arm even suggest continuous work. The bones from VAR43 show
arthritis on the cervical spine, the hands, and the feet. The left hip and especially the left knee
were also affected. A squatting facet on the left tibia of the individual can be seen as an
indication for preferentially sitting in squatting position, which hints at a working position.
The presence of calculus on the teeth points to a diet containing protein. However, there is no
evidence of cavities or so-called enamel hypoplasia, which is typically seen as an indicator of
stress during childhood development and could point to periods of malnutrition. This implies
a continuously good diet and could in itself be taken as a sign of higher social status of the
individual. Due to its outstandingly rich inventory, the grave shows strong interactions in a
social network analysis with many others in the course of the chronological development of
the cemetery. Within this network the strongest relations are given to some symbolic graves
at the very end of the development of Varna I, which is confirmed by positioning of VAR43
into the 6st phase of the cemetery in the correspondence analysis.

http://badamba.info/live/images/chalcolithic1.jpg

rms2
02-23-2018, 02:45 PM
Seriously cool! I remember reading about the Golden Man in the past and wondering what his y-dna haplogroup might be.

I've mentioned elsewhere that a friend of mine just last month got a T-M70 (downstream of M184 and L206) result from 23andMe. I'll have to let him know about this. He'll be interested.

I wonder how many wives this king had and how many offspring. Does he have living descendants? I wonder.

J Man
02-23-2018, 03:55 PM
Interesting stuff for sure.

AndresT
02-24-2018, 11:52 AM
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02-24-2018, 11:53 AM
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eastara
02-24-2018, 12:39 PM
The first exercises of Bulgarian anthropologists to reconstruct the face by the skull are quite lame. Hope they will try again with the latest computer technologies.
Here are more photos from a Bulgarian site about experimental archaeology, where they explain how they recreated the clothes and Neolithic surrounding.

http://badamba.info/live/experimental_archaeology.html#chalcolithic

FIREYWOTAN
02-25-2018, 03:34 PM
Thanks for your stimulating and visual presentations. It's hard to think that opulence seems to have been a part of the process of civilization. The cost of wealth is more about inequality. The choices of how we see the pictures and the reality of behavior has it's realities.

AndresT
03-20-2018, 07:20 PM
I got GEDmatch autosomal results for Var43 Not reliable really, because there are less than 11k SNPs, but anyway and as a curiosity I will post here:

GEDROSIA Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------36%
East European HG---------------------------29%
Iran Neolithic-----------------------------------15%
Natufian-----------------------------------------11%
Karitiana------------------------------------------8%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Anatolia_ChL 22.89

CatsRule
07-20-2018, 11:46 PM
I am Iranian and we are both T-M184. We have 2 matching segments that are 25.3 cM and 25.4 cM. Does this mean anything given the sample has less than 11k snps?

Also, that reconstruction looks like my dad.

Note, my mom shares 0 cM with him.

elicia
08-26-2019, 02:12 PM
Actually, no, this is the biggest lie we have been told. Civilization arose without inequality. In fact, these elite men from the Varna culture are the first evidence we have of status hierarchies. The status hierarchies arose in harsh desert environments among simple pastoralists, whereas civilization arose as egalitarian. The Neolithic Copper Age civilizations were all egalitarian, both in South Asia (Mehrgarh, a city of 25,000), eastern europe, anatolia (Catal Huyuk), the middle east, north africa, china, the british isles (Skara Brae).

elicia
08-26-2019, 02:13 PM
Wow. All this is as expected from Gimbutas research: half local DNA, half indo-european invaders.

Except...
Karitiana? An Amazonian tribe?? Why is no one talking about this, or do you know??

elicia
08-26-2019, 06:57 PM
This seems like big news. amazonian DNA in neolithic europe.

EliciaDeva
01-02-2020, 06:27 PM
Hi there
Thanks for this! How do you go about doing this?
What's your theory on the Karitiana? Via the Altai? Thanks!

eastara
01-03-2020, 11:35 AM
Hi there
Thanks for this! How do you go about doing this?
What's your theory on the Karitiana? Via the Altai? Thanks!

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