Balkan T-184

[vettor]

Sample ANI152/VAR43
Stated as T-M184
Age 50 to 65
High protein diet
Found on black sea coast Bulgaria
Varna culture
Over 1000 gold jewelry item found in grave

[AndresT]

He was around 1'75m height and has a very worked body. Is there any original picture of the skull? I have not found yet.

[td120]

https://www.varnanecropolis.maxportal.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/VHNI-%D0%93%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1-43-%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF-768x245.jpg
https://www.varna-necropolis.miroslav.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1-43-%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF-%D0%B8-%D0%B2%D1%8A%D0%B7%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D 0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0.gif

https://www.varna-necropolis.miroslav.eu/%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B8/

[rms2]

There is a nice post that includes a photo recreation of this king, the "Golden Man of Varna", here (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13548-The-Golden-man-fron-Varna-chalcolithic-necropolis-was-T-M184&p=352639&viewfull=1#post352639) in the Balkan subforum.

I mentioned over on another thread back on 13 January 2018 that a friend of mine just that day got his T-M70 result from 23andMe. I hardly ever see him anymore, but I'll have to catch up with him on Facebook and let him know about this. He'll be interested.

[vettor]

I think he could be associated with the 2 x T1 samples found in Malak bulgaria who are over 1000 years older, neolithic ........this is cris culture and Malak is not very far from where this persons grave is

Is there any "closeness" in Cris and Varna cultures?

[vettor]

Another "bulgarian" is CL23 ( T1a2a ydna ) in the lombard paper ..............noted as BUL in the propres regional report.
he also sits next to Bergamo in PCA charts.

there seems to be many T ydna coming from the area of coastal bulgaria ............where the danube reaches the black sea........modern Varna

The area was known as proper thracia under the later
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odrysian_kingdom

so we have the earliest T ydna samples ( 2 ) beginning from Neolithic times ( malak samples )

[AndresT]

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13548-The-Golden-man-fron-Varna-chalcolithic-necropolis-was-T-M184

[AndresT]

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13548-The-Golden-man-fron-Varna-chalcolithic-necropolis-was-T-M184



I got GEDmatch autosomal results for Var43 Not reliable really, because there are less than 11k SNPs, but anyway and as a curiosity I will post here:

GEDROSIA Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------36%
East European HG---------------------------29%
Iran Neolithic-----------------------------------15%
Natufian-----------------------------------------11%
Karitiana------------------------------------------8%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Anatolia_ChL 22.89

[AndresT]

Results of I0700 and I1108 in GEDmatch:

T1a1a I0700 de Malak Preslavets 7550 ± 200 yBP

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers---------41%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG---------26%
Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------19%
Early_European_Farmers---------13%
Others----------------------------------1-3%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 HungaryGamba_BA2 11.88

Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------47%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------21%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------17%
EastHG------------------------------------------16%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Europe_MNChL 27.31

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T1a1a I1108 de Malak Preslavets 7550 ± 200 yBP

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Admixture Proportions

Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers---------40%
Afansievo-Yamnaya-----------------28%
Early_European_Farmers---------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG---------14%
Others----------------------------------1-3%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bell_Beaker_LN1 8.06

Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------43%
CaucasusHG-EEF----------------------------25%
EastHG------------------------------------------17%
ScandinavianHG-WestHG------------------14%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 21.52

[vettor]

I got GEDmatch autosomal results for Var43 Not reliable really, because there are less than 11k SNPs, but anyway and as a curiosity I will post here:

GEDROSIA Near East Neolithic K13 Admixture Proportions

Anatolia-Aegean Neolithic------------------36%
East European HG---------------------------29%
Iran Neolithic-----------------------------------15%
Natufian-----------------------------------------11%
Karitiana------------------------------------------8%

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Anatolia_ChL 22.89

his K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 3.89
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.39
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 0.81
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 6.39
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 30.41
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 12.30
North_African -
North_Atlantic 10.14
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.31
West_Med 22.36

I will see results with other tools when I have time .............or someone else can run


Varna culture

Eurasia K14 Neolithic Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Early_European_Farmers 26.63
2 SW_Asian 24.49
3 Kalash 16.36
4 Sub_Saharan 10.79
5 S_Indian 10.59
6 Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers 8.75
7 E_African 2.40


Finished reading population data. 122 populations found.
14 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarian_BA3 @ 23.126680
2 HungaryGamba_IA @ 35.839336
3 Hungarian_BA5 @ 36.616791
4 Armenian_BA2 @ 37.912025
5 Hungarian_BA1 @ 38.235889
6 Nordic_BA1 @ 40.037029
7 Hungarian_BA7 @ 40.971169
8 Armenian_IA @ 41.655067
9 HungaryGamba_BA1 @ 42.192787
10 Kostenki_14 @ 42.586525
11 Hungarian_BA6 @ 42.804176
12 RISE_baSca @ 44.432426
13 Bell_Beaker_LN4 @ 44.932983
14 Stuttgart @ 46.186165
15 RISE_baSca @ 46.194447
16 Bell_Beaker_LN2 @ 46.361080
17 Bell_Beaker_BA1 @ 46.461285
18 Bell_Beaker_LN3 @ 47.929764
19 Corded_Ware_BA2 @ 48.143253
20 Hungarian_BA8 @ 48.834335

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kostenki_14 +50% Hungarian_BA3 @ 22.722174


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian_BA3 +25% Hungarian_BA3 +25% Ust_Ishim @ 18.883570

[vettor]

cris culture early neolithic

K36 results

Kit Number: Z017041 Sample ID I0700

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.58
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 17.14
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 18.58
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 22.40
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 4.27
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 18.86
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 18.18


Eurasia K14 Neolithic Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers 40.72
2 SHG_WHG 25.73
3 Afansievo_Yamnaya 18.50
4 Early_European_Farmers 12.66
5 SW_Asian 2.17


Finished reading population data. 122 populations found.
14 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 HungaryGamba_BA2 @ 12.163101
2 Bell_Beaker_LN1 @ 13.394317
3 Hungarian_BA9 @ 19.055151
4 Unetice_BA2 @ 27.096792
5 Bell_Beaker_BA6 @ 28.854311
6 Nordic_BA2 @ 30.057777
7 Unetice_BA3 @ 30.700634
8 Bell_Beaker_LN6 @ 31.989777
9 Corded_Ware_BA3 @ 33.565762
10 Nordic_MN @ 33.727211
11 Benzigerode_LN2 @ 34.644966
12 Corded_Ware_BA4 @ 35.338917
13 Bell_Beaker_LN5 @ 36.924358
14 HungaryGamba_BA1 @ 37.204437
15 Lithuanian_LBA @ 37.417305
16 RISE_baSca @ 37.641262
17 Bell_Beaker_LN2 @ 38.011631
18 Bell_Beaker_BA1 @ 38.249428
19 Hungarian_BA5 @ 39.223392
20 Benzigerode_LN3 @ 39.428612

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Nordic_MN +50% Unetice_BA2 @ 5.136449


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% HungaryGamba_CA +25% Loschbour +25% Andronovo_BA4 @ 4.810451

[vettor]

another cris culture early neolitic


K36 results

Kit Number: Z113504 Sample ID I1108


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.50
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.21
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.00
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 33.49
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 19.04
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 19.45
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 16.32



Eurasia K14 Neolithic Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers 40.47
2 Afansievo_Yamnaya 27.97
3 Early_European_Farmers 17.11
4 SHG_WHG 14.45


Finished reading population data. 122 populations found.
14 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bell_Beaker_LN1 @ 8.089466
2 HungaryGamba_BA2 @ 11.187992
3 Unetice_BA3 @ 18.099146
4 Unetice_BA2 @ 22.759218
5 Bell_Beaker_BA6 @ 23.137230
6 Bell_Beaker_LN6 @ 24.083055
7 Nordic_BA2 @ 24.283279
8 Bell_Beaker_LN5 @ 24.704456
9 Corded_Ware_BA4 @ 26.433435
10 Lithuanian_LBA @ 27.695972
11 Corded_Ware_BA3 @ 27.963652
12 Benzigerode_LN2 @ 29.102980
13 Hungarian_BA9 @ 30.455498
14 Benzigerode_LN3 @ 31.877844
15 Sintashta_BA @ 31.942501
16 Bell_Beaker_LN2 @ 32.689964
17 Andronovo_BA3 @ 32.793053
18 Nordic_BA3 @ 32.971607
19 Montenegro_BA2 @ 32.990414
20 RISE_baSca @ 33.353733

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Corded_Ware_LN4 +50% HungaryGamba_CA @ 3.548525


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bell_Beaker_LN6 +25% HungaryGamba_EN +25% Unetice_BA2 @ 2.431139

[vettor]

info on Lorik Cana , Albanian national Footballer

Cana has tested negative for anything downstream of CTS0933 including CTS8862

T-CTS933 CTS6071 * S24464 * CTS933+3 SNPs formed 7700 ybp, TMRCA 6800 ybpi

I think they mean CTS933 as per yfull

This makes him part of the T1a2 branch

Retired from football/soccer and is Married an Italian from Parma

[Kelmendasi]

info on Lorik Cana , Albanian national Footballer

Cana has tested negative for anything downstream of CTS0933 including CTS8862

T-CTS933 CTS6071 * S24464 * CTS933+3 SNPs formed 7700 ybp, TMRCA 6800 ybpi

I think they mean CTS933 as per yfull

This makes him part of the T1a2 branch

Retired from football/soccer and is Married an Italian from Parma
From what I know, it isn't confirmed whether Lorik Cana is T-CTS933 as he himself hasn't tested. Though it is very likely that he is T-CTS933 considering that an Albanian with the same surname who is from the same area of Kosovo has tested as such. There is also an Albanian from the village of Fterre in Southern Albania who is T-CTS933.

[vettor]

From what I know, it isn't confirmed whether Lorik Cana is T-CTS933 as he himself hasn't tested. Though it is very likely that he is T-CTS933 considering that an Albanian with the same surname who is from the same area of Kosovo has tested as such. There is also an Albanian from the village of Fterre in Southern Albania who is T-CTS933.

ok

so it could be this person ...Cani

who sits with these people and in areas
Çani (albania) kodra (albania) kerenxhi (albania) prifti and zhupani (albania)

T-CTS933 is high on the tree ......it ( cts933 ) has already split 4 times

[Kelmendasi]

ok

so it could be this person ...Cani

who sits with these people and in areas
Çani (albania) kodra (albania) kerenxhi (albania) prifti and zhupani (albania)

T-CTS933 is high on the tree ......it ( cts933 ) has already split 4 times
Not exactly sure what you are referring to when bringing up those surnames. Cani and Cana are different surnames.

[vettor]

Not exactly sure what you are referring to when bringing up those surnames. Cani and Cana are different surnames.

is this the person we are speaking about ??


T-CTS933*

id:YF74417 ALB new

[Kelmendasi]

is this the person we are speaking about ??


T-CTS933*

id:YF74417 ALB new
I do not know to be honest, but the fact that he hasn't selected a county of Albania suggests that he is an Albanian from Kosovo.

[vettor]

I do not know to be honest, but the fact that he hasn't selected a county of Albania suggests that he is an Albanian from Kosovo.

confused

He selected ALB ...........so is ALB also used for Kosovo ?

[Kelmendasi]

confused

He selected ALB ...........so is ALB also used for Kosovo ?
Many Kosovar Albanians choose to select Albania since Yfull doesn't recognize Kosovo as an independent nation, they include it as a part of Serbia.

[vettor]

Many Kosovar Albanians choose to select Albania since Yfull doesn't recognize Kosovo as an independent nation, they include it as a part of Serbia.

interesting if it is Lorik Cana .................