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Alkaevli
02-22-2018, 04:28 PM
Our latest post focuses on the genetic changes that have taken place in Anatolia since the Neolithic.

English: https://oghuzturksdna.blogspot.com.tr/2018/02/the-genetic-structure-of-anatolia-from_21.html
Turkish: https://turkishdna.blogspot.com.tr/2018/02/anadolunun-genetik-yaps-cilal-tas.html

Anabasis
02-22-2018, 06:03 PM
Kaynak Veri (Source Data) Eurogenes K13 Tablo https://turkishdna.blogspot.com.tr/2018/02/anadolunun-genetik-yaps-cilal-tas.html

https://i.hizliresim.com/RnryoG.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/RnryoG)

Sangarius
02-22-2018, 06:36 PM
Kaynak Veri (Source Data) Eurogenes K13 Tablo https://turkishdna.blogspot.com.tr/2018/02/anadolunun-genetik-yaps-cilal-tas.html
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Yes, that's correct, but I don't think that the article claims that Anatolian Turks are genetically closer to Central Asian Turks than to Cappadocian Greeks.
Their relation to each other is also evident in the included PCA, where Anatolian Turks are closer to Cappadocian Greeks, but still significantly shifted towards Central Asian Turks.
And that's really the main point of the article.


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HqnIckl0rjo/WojLdBTApzI/AAAAAAAAAV8/dZwvdaRaeMA9adpO3RNZPAmUaKogzmk3gCLcBGAs/s1600/pca.png

Anabasis
02-22-2018, 06:48 PM
Yes its significant that Anatolian Turks are shifted toward Central Asian Turkic Populations although much more similar to other anatolian populations. No need to draw PCA or dendograms to see that shift. East Asian components is quite detectable in Admixture results.Thats the fact. Nobody can regret. But the shared diagrams which compares ancients and moderns seems biased to show as if its inverse. Anyway i just make additional input to study in any case.

Alkaevli
02-22-2018, 07:44 PM
But the shared diagrams which compares ancients and moderns seems biased to show as if its inverse.

"Our latest post focuses on the genetic changes that have taken place in Anatolia since the Neolithic."

The article does not make a direct comparison between ancient samples and modern Turks, each sample is compared to its predecessor (ie. Anatolia_CHL and Anatolia_N or Turk_Cappadocia and Greek_Cappadocia). Anatolia_N, Anatolia_CHL and Anatolia_BA are not used as a proxy for Byzantine era Anatolians. As you can see in the article, Turk_Cappadocia is compared to Greek_Cappadocia.


The PCA clearly shows that Anatolian Turks are closer to Anatolian Greeks than to Central Asians.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YZQo5TTUugs/WomY3hIvLyI/AAAAAAAAAWM/VB7Op1XeagkH3JwBiVS5sPq5dpRIMvsiACLcBGAs/s1600/pca2.png
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HqnIckl0rjo/WojLdBTApzI/AAAAAAAAAV8/dZwvdaRaeMA9adpO3RNZPAmUaKogzmk3gCLcBGAs/s1600/pca.png



No need to draw PCA or dendograms to see that shift. East Asian components is quite detectable in Admixture results.

The difference between Anatolian Turks and Anatolian Greeks is not limited to East Eurasian components though.

Anabasis
04-10-2018, 02:28 AM
Bir Afgan Hazara Türkmeni sonucu. Meraklılarına duyrulur.
Gedmatch yüklenmiş bir orta asyalı turkic sonucu olmasından dolayı referans alınabilecek bir örnek kanımca...
An Afgan Hazara Turkmen Result

(Quote has take from his own video published in youtube)


"
here's what i got for MDLP K23B 4- ancestors oracle
# Population Percent
1 Tungus-Altaic 22.71
2 South_Central_Asian 17.07
3 Caucasian 12.09
4 South_East_Asian 10.80
5 East_Siberian 8.64
6 Ancestral_Altaic 6.33
7 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.23
8 South_Indian 5.70
9 Austronesian 2.57
10 Melano_Polynesian 1.79
11 Paleo_Siberian 1.66
12 Near_East 1.15
13 European_Early_Farmers 1.08


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hazara_ @ 4.665373
2 Uygur_ @ 6.417116
3 Uzbek_ @ 8.434377
4 Uygur-Han_ @ 9.542519
5 Karakalpak_ @ 10.686490
6 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 10.878557
7 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 11.270697
8 Kazahs_ @ 12.067858
9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 15.905074
10 Kazakh_ @ 16.339157
11 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 18.002422
12 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 18.301966
13 Kyrgyz_ @ 20.999638
14 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 21.306807
15 Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 23.084238
16 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 26.640936
17 Hakas_ @ 26.987877
18 Spiti_ @ 27.261608
19 Altaian_ @ 27.925150
20 Nogai_ @ 28.233461

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hazara_ +50% Uzbek_ @ 3.901466


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ +25% Pashtun_Afghani_ +25% Uygur-Han_ @ 2.936205
"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrqv8N4ZF8c&t=

Afshar
04-10-2018, 03:09 PM
Bir Afgan Hazara Türkmeni sonucu. Meraklılarına duyrulur.
Gedmatch yüklenmiş bir orta asyalı turkic sonucu olmasından dolayı referans alınabilecek bir örnek kanımca...
An Afgan Hazara Turkmen Result

(Quote has take from his own video published in youtube)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrqv8N4ZF8c&t=
The weird thing is he claims to be culturally hazara and yet it shows in his oracles, he claims to be Turkmen instead. I would not use these results as reference.

Caspian
04-10-2018, 11:10 PM
1/2 Hazara 1/2 Türkmen sanırım bu arkadaş fakat Hazaralar Turkic bir halk değil. Farsça konuşan Moğollar diyenler de var onlara ve Hazaraları oluşturan boyların bir çoğu Moğol kökenli geriye kalanı Kıpçak, Karluk, Uygur ve bir kaç tane Türkmen kökenli boy var. Aslında tam bir Türk-Moğol birliğiler fakat dil olarak asimile olmuşlar diğer bir çok Moğol hanlığı gibi. Genel olarak İlhanlılar'ın torunları oldukları düşünülüyor.

Barlas, Börçigin (Cengiz Han'ın boyu), Naiman, Kerait, Hitay, Celayir, Ongud vs. gibi boylar Moğol kökenli ve bunların çoğu ayrıyetten Kazaklarda ve Özbeklerde de var.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hazara_tribes