About the L595(L2)

[AlparslanSancar]

Hello.
My haplogroup is my L595.
My ancestors is Turkmen who came to Anatolia from Central Asia in the 1600s.
Do you have any information other than what is known about this sublcade?
Thank you.

[A Norfolk L-M20]

What test or tests on your Y DNA have you taken so far?

[lgmayka]

Here are the results of the Y-DNA Haplogroup L project (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-Haplogroup-L/default.aspx?section=yresults). L-L595 (confirmed and predicted) is the first category.

[AlparslanSancar]

Hello.
So far, I took the y-111 test after y-12 first. At present, there is a big-y product whose results have not been announced.

[A Norfolk L-M20]

Pleased to meet you @Alparslan. We are looking forward to seeing your L-L595 result. An ancient, and incredibly interesting Y.

[Onur Dincer]

Hello.
My haplogroup is my L595.
My ancestors is Turkmen who came to Anatolia from Central Asia in the 1600s.
Do you have any information other than what is known about this sublcade?
Thank you.

Hello Alparslan. Do you happen to have some Balkan ancestry? Because the L2-L595 subclade of L is largely restricted to Europe.


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Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20


The subclade L2 (L-L595), while it is extremely rare, is seldom found outside Western Europe.


L2 (L595)
L-L595 is found only in Europe from Ireland, Iberian Peninsula and Sardinia to Eastern Europe and their highest frequency is found in Estonia,[Footnote 5] Scozzari 2001, Lappalainen 2008.

[GarethH]

Hello Alparslan. Do you happen to have some Balkan ancestry? Because the L2-L595 subclade of L is largely restricted to Europe.


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Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

I've seen some possible examples on the east side of the Black Sea, I'll try to find the paper. I don't know who started the myth (quoted by everyone because Wikipedia says so) that the highest frequency is in Estonia, the papers referred to didn't test L595.

Anyway, the results are just in so I need to do some checking on the positive SNPs.

[GarethH]

I've seen some possible examples on the east side of the Black Sea, I'll try to find the paper.

This paper by Balanovsky et al.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/21571925/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3355373/pdf/ukmss-41079.pdf

Two Shapsug samples (SHAP-120 and SHAP-249) are likely to be L-L595.

[Onur Dincer]

I don't know who started the myth (quoted by everyone because Wikipedia says so) that the highest frequency is in Estonia, the papers referred to didn't test L595.

That finding is based on FTDNA lab results according to Wikipedia.


This paper by Balanovsky et al.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...pmid/21571925/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...kmss-41079.pdf

Two Shapsug samples (SHAP-120 and SHAP-249) are likely to be L-L595.

Those two Shapsug samples are also likely to be L1 (xM27, xM317, xM357).

[GarethH]

That finding is based on FTDNA lab results according to Wikipedia.
There are no kits from Estonia in the L Project. FTDNA don't release data other than where individual customers join projects and make their results public. So this assertion is unverifiable and contrary to Wikipedia guidelines.


Those two Shapsug samples are also likely to be L1 (xM27, xM317, xM357).
There are no confirmed L1s who don't belong to L1a or L1b. Why do you think the two Shapsugs are L1 rather than L2?

[Onur Dincer]

There are no kits from Estonia in the L Project. FTDNA don't release data other than where individual customers join projects and make their results public. So this assertion is unverifiable and contrary to Wikipedia guidelines.

Don't know. That info might have been added by an L595+ FTDNA customer based on his Y-STR matches list.


There are no confirmed L1s who don't belong to L1a or L1b. Why do you think the two Shapsugs are L1 rather than L2?

That study did not test for L595 (L2), so I am not sure if those Shapsugs are + for L595. They might well be, because we already know a few individuals from the Southern Caucasus who are likely to be + for L595 based on their STR results, so there is no reason to assume that L595 does not exist among the indigenous peoples of the Northern Caucasus, however in low frequencies.

[AlparslanSancar]

Hello.
We do not have a linguistic or cultural interest in Europe or the Balkan region(Sivas).
My grandpa said that we came from the line of Alevi / Türkmen and that we are Avşar.

[AlparslanSancar]

Finally, in the ancient tombs, L2 was found. Congratulations. :)

[Bertonia]

My Y haplotype is also L595 (23andMe results). Paternal lineage can be traced to Sicily circa 1900.

[Fried]

Don't know. That info might have been added by an L595+ FTDNA customer based on his Y-STR matches list.



That study did not test for L595 (L2), so I am not sure if those Shapsugs are + for L595. They might well be, because we already know a few individuals from the Southern Caucasus who are likely to be + for L595 based on their STR results, so there is no reason to assume that L595 does not exist among the indigenous peoples of the Northern Caucasus, however in low frequencies.

I tried to analyze their 19-marker haplotypes on the Nevgen.org project and the result is "100% Unsupported subclade". And visually, this is a very unusual haplotype..


ID
DYS393
DYS390
DYS19
DYS391
DYS385a
DYS385b
DYS426
DYS388
DYS439
DYS389I
DYS392
DYS389II
DYS458
DYS437
DYS448
GATA-H4
DYS456
DYS438
DYS635


SHAP-120
11
21
13
11
11
11
11
12
11
13
16
29
13
15
20
10
16
10
22


SHAP-249
11
21
13
11
11
11
11
12
11
13
16
29
13
15
20
10
16
10
22

[peloponnesian]

My Y haplotype is also L595 (23andMe results). Paternal lineage can be traced to Sicily circa 1900.

You might be interested in seeing the haplogroup assignments from this paper: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2205272119 :)