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Humanist
09-22-2013, 02:36 AM
Posting for possible further discussion.

Al-Zahery et al. 2011 (http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/11/288) [+ Assyrian frequency]

In descending order of U3 frequency:


7.9% Crete
7.3% Assyrian
5.5% Iraq (Marsh Arab)
4.9% Georgia
4.0% Iraq
3.8% Egypt
3.5% Bulgaria
3.3% Turkey
3.1% Italy (North)
2.9% Kurds
2.9% Iran
2.4% Saudi Arabia
2.2% Italy (Centre)
2.2% Germany
2.1% Azerbaijan
2.1% Greece
2.1% Italy (Sardinia)
2.0% Italy (South)
1.9% Slovenia
1.9% Caucasus
1.6% United Arab Emirates
1.6% Tunisia
1.5% Scotland
1.4% Turkmenistan
1.2% Czech Republic
1.1% Morocco (Berber)
1.0% Austria
1.0% Ireland
0.7% Bosnia
0.5% Yemen
0.5% Spain
0.3% Hungary
0.2% Pakistan
0.1% India
0.0% Morocco
0.0% Tajikistan


U3 aDNA from Jean Manco's site (http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/ancientdna.shtml):

Neolithic
1. Dnieper-Donets Ukraine 5474–5225 BC

2. LBK Germany 5000 BC ?

Chalcolithic
3. Israel Wadi el‐Makkukh 4490-4335 BC


U3 appears to be significant in the "Dead Sea sample," in the below study:

Mitochondrial DNA variation in Jordanians and their genetic relationship to other Middle East populations. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18428014)

González et al. 2008


RESULTS: Statistical analysis revealed that, whereas the sample from Amman did not significantly differ from their Levantine neighbours, the Dead Sea sample clearly behaved as a genetic outlier in the region. Its outstanding Eurasian haplogroup U3 frequency (39%) and its south-Saharan Africa lineages (19%) are the highest in the Middle East. On the contrary, the lack ((preHV)1) or comparatively low frequency (J and T) of Neolithic lineages is also striking. Although strong drift by geographic isolation could explain the anomalous mtDNA pool of the Dead Sea sample, the fact that its mtDNA lineage composition mirrors, in geographic origin and haplogroup frequencies, its Y-chromosome pool, points to founder effect as the main cause. Ancestral M1 lineages detected in Jordan that have affinities with those recently found in Northwest but not East Africa question the African origin of the M1 haplogroup.

CONCLUSION: Results are in agreement with an old human settlement in the Jordan region. However, in spite of the attested migratory spreads, genetically divergent populations, such as that of the Dead Sea, still exist in the area.


Calculated the U3 frequencies from Behar et al. (2008)

Counting the Founders: The Matrilineal Genetic Ancestry of the Jewish Diaspora (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0002062#s5)

In descending order of U3 frequency:


11.1% Iraq Jewish
3.4% Azerbaijan Jewish
3.4% Yemen Jewish
2.6% Druze
2.4% Iran Jewish
0.9% Palestinian
0.8% Turkey Jewish
0.7% Morocco Jewish
0.0% Georgia Jewish
0.0% Ethiopia Jewish
0.0% Bnei Israel Jewish
0.0% Cochin Jewish
0.0% Libya Jewish
0.0% Tunisia Jewish
0.0% Belmonte Jewish
0.0% Bulgaria Jewish
0.0% Bedouin


The information on Wikipedia, as is often the case with regard to genetics, is incomplete:


[U3] is found at low levels throughout Europe (about 1% of the population), the Near East (about 2.5% of the population), and Central Asia (1%). U3 is present at higher levels among populations in the Caucasus (about 6%) in Svan population from Svaneti region(Georgia, Caucasus) 4,2% and among Lithuanian Romani, Polish Romani, and Spanish Romani populations (36-56%).

Fire Haired
09-22-2013, 03:18 AM
Where do u think U3 originated. mtDNA is so much more complicated than Y DNA maybe because of the differences between men and women. Almost all of Europe has basically the same haplogroup percentages and it is extremely similar to the near east which really gets annoying. There are some Paleoithic European groups were they or their ancestral version arrived in Europe probably over 30,000ybp from the near east. U(U5, U2, U8, probably more), H(H1, H3, H17 or H27, maybe more), HV(later V), maybe RO and N. Since T2b and K were in 6,700-7,400bc pre pottery Neolithic Syrian samples and early Neolithic European samples from LBK Germany about 5,000bc. I think both came to Europe in Neolithic actulley all T2 which is almost all T in ancient European samples when they can get the subclade. So maybe even T1 which was popular (10.3% of total mtDNA vast majority of T) in Indo Iranian samples in asia during late bronze and iron age like Scythians which was surprising I was thinking it might be popular in northern Russia were their ancestry may have originated which I saw one study showed it was around that range in Udmurts of Volga Russia.
Also I am not sure but J may have also came to Europe from the near east in the Neolithic. mtDNA in Europe and near east is so extremely connected all mtDNA in Europe at somepoint came there from the Near east same with most Y DNA. I wonder why there have been so many migration from the Near east into Europe throughout history do u think it has something to do with Geography.

EastAnglian
10-23-2013, 08:10 AM
Where do u think U3 originated

I think the problem with U3 is that it's found at such low levels everywhere, for instance in the UK there are 11 listed:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtDNAU3/default.aspx?section=mtmap

There was some mention of us coming into Europe with the Indo-Europeans who brought farming, some sort of link to R1b?

Humanist
10-26-2013, 05:59 PM
Posting for possible further discussion.

Al-Zahery et al. 2011 (http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/11/288) [+ Assyrian frequency]

In descending order of U3 frequency:


7.9% Crete
7.3% Assyrian
5.5% Iraq (Marsh Arab)
4.9% Georgia
4.0% Iraq
3.8% Egypt
3.5% Bulgaria <---- MODERN BULGARIANS
3.3% Turkey
3.1% Italy (North)
2.9% Kurds
2.9% Iran
2.4% Saudi Arabia
2.2% Italy (Centre)
2.2% Germany
2.1% Azerbaijan
2.1% Greece
2.1% Italy (Sardinia)
2.0% Italy (South)
1.9% Slovenia
1.9% Caucasus
1.6% United Arab Emirates
1.6% Tunisia
1.5% Scotland
1.4% Turkmenistan
1.2% Czech Republic
1.1% Morocco (Berber)
1.0% Austria
1.0% Ireland
0.7% Bosnia
0.5% Yemen
0.5% Spain
0.3% Hungary
0.2% Pakistan
0.1% India
0.0% Morocco
0.0% Tajikistan


U3 aDNA from Jean Manco's site (http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/ancientdna.shtml):

Neolithic
1. Dnieper-Donets Ukraine 5474–5225 BC

2. LBK Germany 5000 BC ?

Chalcolithic
3. Israel Wadi el‐Makkukh 4490-4335 BC


U3 appears to be significant in the "Dead Sea sample," in the below study:

Mitochondrial DNA variation in Jordanians and their genetic relationship to other Middle East populations. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18428014)

González et al. 2008


Calculated the U3 frequencies from Behar et al. (2008)

Counting the Founders: The Matrilineal Genetic Ancestry of the Jewish Diaspora (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0002062#s5)

In descending order of U3 frequency:


11.1% Iraq Jewish
3.4% Azerbaijan Jewish
3.4% Yemen Jewish
2.6% Druze
2.4% Iran Jewish
0.9% Palestinian
0.8% Turkey Jewish
0.7% Morocco Jewish
0.0% Georgia Jewish
0.0% Ethiopia Jewish
0.0% Bnei Israel Jewish
0.0% Cochin Jewish
0.0% Libya Jewish
0.0% Tunisia Jewish
0.0% Belmonte Jewish
0.0% Bulgaria Jewish
0.0% Bedouin

The information on Wikipedia, as is often the case with regard to genetics, is incomplete:

Read about a new study from a post on Dienekes' site (http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/10/new-adna-capture-method-plus-some-data.html):

The American Journal of Human Genetics (2013), http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ajhg.2013.10.002

Pulling out the 1%: Whole-Genome Capture for the Targeted Enrichment of Ancient DNA Sequencing Libraries (http://images.cell.com/images/EdImages/AJHG/ajhg1537.pdf)

Meredith L. Carpenter et al.


We were able to tentatively call mtDNA haplogroups for these samples (Table S1). The two Bulgarian Iron Age individuals (P192-1 and T2G5) fell into haplogroups U3b and HV(16311), respectively. Haplogroup U3 is especially common in the countries surrounding the Black Sea, including Bulgaria, and in the Near East, and HV is also found at low frequencies in Europe and peaks in the Near East.

Fungene
09-21-2018, 12:26 AM
Resurrecting this thread.
A few new samples of U3 from Anatolian Aceramic early Farmers (AFF):
ZKO, 8300-7800 BCE, Boncuklu, U3 (Y-DNA: G2a2b2b)
ZHJ, 8300-7800 BCE, Boncuklu, U3
ZHAJ, 8269-8210 cal BCE, U3

Feldman et al. “Late Pleistocene human genome suggests a local origin for the first farmers of central Anatolia.”
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/09/20/422295

Miqui Rumba
08-27-2020, 01:50 PM
I started a new U3a group in Yfull with 70 public samples (academic & ancient DNA) and a few private kits. All U3a Yfull costumers are invited to join

XXD
03-30-2021, 02:54 PM
Hey ladies and gents.

My father tested with 23andme and his mtDNA is U3a. Using the mtDNA predictor, he is listed as U3a3. His mother is an Istanbul Greek, with a distant maternal origin from Odessan Greeks.

Any ideas on its origin?

drobbah
03-30-2021, 03:50 PM
Seen Somalis on 23&me with U3a, it's probably been in the Horn since the original proto-Cushites arrived.

XXD
03-30-2021, 06:11 PM
Seen Somalis on 23&me with U3a, it's probably been in the Horn since the original proto-Cushites arrived.

Thank you! So you think it is linked with Afroasiatic speakers?

drobbah
03-30-2021, 07:48 PM
Thank you! So you think it is linked with Afroasiatic speakers?
I don't think it's exclusively Afro-Asiatic but it's definitely a MENA maternal lineage