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ffoucart
02-25-2018, 08:27 AM
Hi,

Two years ago, the discovery of a very old kurgan (5000 years old) at Silivri (Istanbul) has been made public:
http://arkeofili.com/silivride-bronz-cagina-ait-5000-yillik-kurgan-tipi-mezar-bulundu/

Does everybody know if the results have been published and if DNA have been extracted?

ernekar
02-25-2018, 08:41 AM
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tomb-in-istanbuls-silivri-years-biggest-archaeological-discovery--99235
I found an english article on it too. Interesting stuff.
Edit: i see you already posted the english one in another thread

Afshar
02-25-2018, 05:22 PM
Maybe it will be part of the research group that received the grant for ancient samples across Turkey.

ffoucart
08-21-2019, 01:38 PM
I found a reference to Silivri in a recent book but I can't read it, since I don't speak Turk
https://books.google.fr/books?id=McpEDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA301&dq=silivri+dna&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcsdC4iZTkAhUQ6RoKHSA-BEYQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=silivri%20dna&f=false

From what I understand, some results are known with a new dating (1200/1100 BC), but it seems it is more about findings in Besiktas:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/kitap-sanat/istanbulda-turklerin-ilk-izleri-40622781
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/earliest-traces-of-turks-in-anatolia-found-in-istanbul-121444

Could somebody translate this part of the book? Some DNA testing seems to have been tried.

ffoucart
08-21-2019, 01:40 PM
I found a reference to Silivri in a recent book but I can't read it, since I don't speak Turk
https://books.google.fr/books?id=McpEDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA301&dq=silivri+dna&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcsdC4iZTkAhUQ6RoKHSA-BEYQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=silivri%20dna&f=false

From what I understand, some results are known with a new dating (1200/1100 BC), but it seems it is more about findings in Besiktas:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/kitap-sanat/istanbulda-turklerin-ilk-izleri-40622781
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/earliest-traces-of-turks-in-anatolia-found-in-istanbul-121444

Could somebody translate this part of the book? Some DNA testing seems to have been tried.

Besiktas kurgans could be linked with Phrygians.

Afshar
08-21-2019, 02:59 PM
It does not say they are testing or tested the dna, it just says it would be better dated with the testing.

Onur Dincer
08-22-2019, 01:04 PM
I found a reference to Silivri in a recent book but I can't read it, since I don't speak Turk
https://books.google.fr/books?id=McpEDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA301&dq=silivri+dna&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcsdC4iZTkAhUQ6RoKHSA-BEYQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=silivri%20dna&f=false

From what I understand, some results are known with a new dating (1200/1100 BC), but it seems it is more about findings in Besiktas:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/kitap-sanat/istanbulda-turklerin-ilk-izleri-40622781
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/earliest-traces-of-turks-in-anatolia-found-in-istanbul-121444

Could somebody translate this part of the book? Some DNA testing seems to have been tried.

Besiktas kurgans could be linked with Phrygians.

ffoucart, your latest links basically claim that kurgan = Turkic or Altaic peoples and that Anatolia and environs have been inhabited by Turks since the early Iron Age at the latest, which are of course nonsense. On the DNA testing, Afshar is right. I agree with your inference about Phrygians, Thracians are another option.