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joconbomama
02-28-2018, 12:41 PM
Because as far as i know my MENA is mixed, and should be around 10-23%, the 10%> mark is definite as Doug McDonald and Mephisto both calculated it to be above 10%, however since my average european on Gedmatch is 52-54.5%, which i calculated aswell, i took almost every test there was, added the amounts of european together, divided them by the amount of tests i ran, and then i got to a score of 54.7% Or so. But IF my calculations are correct and it's indeed around 53% then i use this calculation.

53% European + 25% North/West African + 2% Amerindian + 20% MENA = 100%

^ This could very well be accurate however 3-4% Of my African is North African, so if you add that up to my Middle eastern

20+3 = 23%

20+4 = 24%, which could make sense as to why Middle eastern populations do not show up on Eurogenes, MDLP, and PuntDNAL Calculators, because it's a minority of my ethnicity and it's lower than my African, and not even my African shows on oracle pops.

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Comparing Kit M560080 (*ivecome2talkwithyouagain) and T892307 (*Tunisian Jew I.F.)

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 25 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM

Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
1 15,625,303 17,879,137 3.8 278
1 240,780,197 242,500,292 3.6 235
2 217,164,812 218,584,812 3.3 273
3 172,618,501 174,457,225 4.2 307
5 36,314,647 38,601,396 3.5 362
5 178,694,698 180,434,927 3.1 272
6 41,751,223 43,872,529 4.6 328
6 51,038,000 53,510,638 3.1 422
8 139,899,978 140,990,521 3.0 289
10 2,982,399 3,760,014 3.9 219
10 117,990,509 120,205,188 4.8 454
12 4,114,010 5,140,783 3.1 304
13 111,883,939 113,371,998 3.5 278
15 24,038,317 25,087,882 3.5 261
16 780,598 1,936,076 3.7 205
17 71,905,276 73,048,581 3.5 260
17 73,179,531 74,109,718 3.3 230
19 40,378,915 43,991,202 3.1 386
19 54,900,907 56,300,367 5.9 322
19 59,505,574 60,359,618 3.1 204
22 23,934,477 24,958,105 3.2 229
Largest segment = 5.9 cM
Total of segments > 3 cM = 77.0 cM
21 matching segments

402134 SNPs used for this comparison.
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Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle

# Population Percent
1 WHG 29.44
2 W_African 23.71
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 12.75
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 11.04
5 SW_Asian 10.94
6 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 9.91
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.37

Finished reading population data. 118 populations found.
9 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 28.551857
2 Hungarian @ 28.883076
3 Bulgarian @ 28.918781
4 Tatars @ 29.170622
5 French @ 29.638973
6 Spanish @ 30.036901
7 Scottish @ 30.094067
8 Ukrainian @ 30.585007
9 English @ 30.746456
10 Czech @ 30.797022
11 RISE_baBb @ 31.255447
12 Albanian @ 31.352463
13 Norwegian @ 31.617016
14 Greek @ 32.370045
15 Tuscan @ 32.396545
16 Russian @ 32.499977
17 Icelandic @ 32.956333
18 French_South @ 33.075897
19 Belarusian @ 33.182449
20 Maltese @ 33.602562

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +50% Masai @ 13.999241

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian +25% Lebanese +25% Yoruba @ 3.563088

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Azeri + Esan + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 2.769839
2 Azeri + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.769839
3 Azeri + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.769839
4 Esan + Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 2.932170
5 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.932170
6 Georgian_Jew + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 2.932170
7 Esan + Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 3.105168
8 Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.105168
9 Kurd_N + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.105168
10 Esan + Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin @ 3.138795
11 Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.138795
12 Iraqi_Jew + RISE_baHu + RISE_baSin + Yoruba @ 3.138795
13 Armenian + Esan + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu @ 3.198879
14 Armenian + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.198879
15 Armenian + RISE_baBb + RISE_baHu + Yoruba @ 3.198879

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Eurasia K3 Oracle

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 70.71
2 SSA 24.63
3 E_Eurasian 4.66

Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Yemen @ 6.961379
2 BedouinA @ 16.483727
3 Jordanian @ 21.202770
4 Palestinian @ 22.186718
5 Syrian @ 22.687027
6 Makrani @ 23.260059
7 Yemenite_Jew @ 23.740688
8 Saudi @ 24.097925
9 Lebanese @ 24.929094
10 Brahui @ 26.553122
11 Balochi @ 26.774252
12 Iranian @ 27.331972
13 Kurd_C @ 28.814047
14 Turkish @ 28.826607
15 Tajik_Pomiri @ 30.079639
16 Kurd_SE @ 30.190075
17 Balkar @ 30.339142
18 Pashtun_Afghan @ 30.998453
19 Iraqi_Jew @ 31.145370
20 Kurd_N @ 31.159136

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Ancient Eurasia K6 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

gedrosia K6 Oracle

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.45
2 Natufian 27.76
3 Sub_Saharan 23.28
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.74
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
6 East_Asian 1.34

Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moroccan @ 19.881178
2 Algerian @ 20.177343
3 Saharawi @ 23.123322
4 GoyetQ116 @ 26.824112
5 Libyan @ 26.871412
6 Bulgarian @ 27.774874
7 Hungarian @ 27.984194
8 Ukrainian @ 28.123915
9 Croatian @ 28.133266
10 Romanian @ 28.206146
11 Russian @ 28.245659
12 Spanish @ 28.378586
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 28.516495
14 Czech @ 28.744583
15 Scottish @ 28.818592
16 Norwegian @ 28.908331
17 English @ 28.919888
18 French @ 28.978497
19 Finnish @ 29.012388
20 Europe_LNBA @ 29.401033

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +50% Somali @ 6.784506

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +25% Mota +25% Motala12 @ 1.296267

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 BedouinA + Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_ChL @ 0.000000
2 BedouinA + Hadza + Iran_ChL + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian @ 0.000000
4 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.000000
5 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_F @ 0.422032
6 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_F + WHG @ 0.422032
7 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + SHG @ 0.481609
8 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian @ 0.488010
9 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Palestinian + WHG @ 0.488010
10 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iran_LN + Jordanian @ 0.575826
11 Hadza + Iran_LN + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.575826
12 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Jordanian + Kurd_C @ 0.598981
13 Hadza + Jordanian + Kurd_C + WHG @ 0.598981
14 Armenia_ChL + BedouinA + Hadza + Motala12 @ 0.673160
15 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese @ 0.680161
16 Hadza + Iranian_Shirazi + Lebanese + WHG @ 0.680161
17 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian @ 0.743273
18 Hadza + Iranian_Mazandarani + Jordanian + WHG @ 0.743273
19 Kumyk + Libyan + Masai + SHG @ 0.778317
20 Hadza + Hungarian_KO1 + Kurd_C + Palestinian @ 0.802877

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Africa9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

# Population Percent
1 Europe 46.71
2 SW_Asia 21.84
3 W_Africa 21.07
4 NW_Africa 5.17
5 S_Africa 2.20
6 San 1.83
7 Biaka 1.18

Finished reading population data. 54 populations found.
9 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Morocco_Jews @ 27.378761
3 Tuscan @ 32.231964
4 North_Italian @ 34.155674
5 Druze @ 39.301552
6 Egypt @ 39.909996
7 Jordanians @ 40.360577
8 Egyptans @ 42.036186
9 Yemenese @ 44.171303
10 Libya @ 46.390274
12 Algeria @ 53.506958
13 Bedouin @ 57.382694
14 Morocco_N @ 59.759953
15 French_Basque @ 60.481731
16 Yemen_Jews @ 62.802704
17 Moroccans @ 63.570690
18 Morocco_S @ 63.636944
19 Luhya @ 64.830467
20 Bantu_N.E. @ 65.287796

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Fulani +50% Tuscan @ 19.305805

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Morocco_Jews +25% North_Italian +25% Yoruba @ 5.560930

Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++
4 Brong + French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 2.698521
6 French_Basque + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + Yoruba @ 2.985883
7 French_Basque + Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.000863
8 Brong + French_Basque + Jordanians + Morocco_Jews @ 3.191340
9 French_Basque + Igbo + Morocco_Jews + North_African_Jews_Dodecad @ 3.200177
10 Mandenka + Morocco_Jews + North_Italian + Tuscan @ 3.284655
11 French_Basque + Jordanians + Mandenka + Morocco_Jews @ 3.290316
12 Mandenka + North_African_Jews_Dodecad + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 3.294896

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Jtest Ethnicity Calculation:

57.65% European

20.75% West African

20.26% Broad Middle Eastern, AJ + West Asia + East Med + West Med + Mideast + SA + NA

1.35% Amerindian
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^ Close to 60% European

^ Almost 21% West african which is correct.

^ 20% Broadly middle eastern, which is also correct in correlation to my calculations.

^ around 1.5% Amerindian, should be a bit higher but still accurate as it's there.

So how i calculated my Broad middle eastern is basically this.

4.88% West Med (Morocco, Algeria, etc) + 2.82% Ashkenazi + 2.41% East Med + 1.84% West Asia + 1.97% Mideast + 1.50% South Asian as i also have Afghan ancestry + 4.84% "East African", which is probably also just North African as i don't have East african ancestry.

So that equals to 9.72% North african ancestry, which is around what Mephisto and Doug McDonald guessed, 9.72% + 10.54% Broadly Middle eastern = 20.26% MENA, if this happens to be correct because i do not know how "Middle Eastern" Afghanistan is, but the cultures seem alike to me i guess. However if Afghanistan does not count for middle eastern then you just subtract 1.50% from 20.26% which is = 18.76% MENA then.

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^ to help you judge my phenotype and possibly ancestry ill just put 1 picture in

my kit number on Gedmatch is: M560080

i would appreciate it if anyone could help because i am coming close to a end when it comes to figuring out my MENA because its incredibly hard, it was explained to me why my DNA looks alike to that of a North African is because of my 3/4 West eurasian and 1/4 Subsaharan mix.

once again thank you and have a nice day.