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Mehmet
03-10-2018, 10:29 AM
hi. I am Chinese who have just tested Y Chromosome and get the result in YFULL which is R1b-Z2106-CTS8966 with ID:ELT50011

J1 DYS388=13
03-10-2018, 11:29 AM
Your R1b seems far from home. Do you have a theory?

Ebizur
03-10-2018, 11:38 AM
hi. I am Chinese who have just tested Y Chromosome and get the result in YFULL which is R1b-Z2106-CTS8966 with ID:ELT50011
If I may presume to make an inference from your user name, might you happen to have a Muslim family background?

Your subclade, R-CTS8966, also includes the Y-DNA of NA18645 from the CHB (Han Chinese in Beijing) sample of the 1000 Genomes Project and the Y-DNA of bhu-1953 from the Bhutanese sample of Pille Hallast, Chiara Batini, Daniel Zadik, et al. (2014), "The Y-Chromosome Tree Bursts into Leaf: 13,000 High-Confidence SNPs Covering the Majority of Known Clades." As you may observe on the YFull YTree v6.01, Y-DNA belonging to R-CTS8966 also has been found in three individuals of Chechnyan origin, three individuals of Armenian origin, an individual of Saudi Arabian origin, an individual of Sardinian origin, and three individuals of undeclared origin. The time to most recent common ancestor of all these members of R-CTS8966 (probably minus the individual from Bhutan, whose Y-DNA has not been analyzed by YFull as far as I know) is estimated by YFull to be 4,500 [95% CI 3,800 <-> 5,300] years before present, and the time to most recent common ancestor of all members of the parent clade, R1b1a1a2a2c-Z2106, is estimated by YFull to be 5,700 [95% CI 5,000 <-> 6,400] ybp.

Silesian
03-10-2018, 12:20 PM
hi. I am Chinese who have just tested Y Chromosome and get the result in YFULL which is R1b-Z2106-CTS8966 with ID:ELT50011


Welcome to the tribe.

https://kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b_xP312xU106_V.38.1.pdf

Yamnaya samples Z2105+


I0126, Kutuluk III, Kutuluk River, Samara (Russia), 2867-2484 calBCE
(AA53803)
RISE548, Temrta IV (Russia), Yamnaya_Kalmykia
RISE555, Stalingrad Quarry (Russia), 2857-2497 calBCE (AAR-20358)
RISE547, Temrta IV (Russia), 2887-2634 calBCE (GrA-58960
L23/S141/PF6534, L478/PF6403, PF6404
CTS7340.1/Z2107.1, CTS9416, CTS1078/GG419/Z2103, GG400/M12149/Y4371/Z8128, GG673/S20902/Z8130, M12132/Y12536/Z8127, M12145/Y12537/Z8129, PF7575/Z2104, PF7585, Z2105


scroll down to----- GG536/Z2106, Y12538/Z8131---for your close matches.

jortita
03-10-2018, 11:28 PM
Can you kindly post your Eurogenes K36 and mdlp k23b results from gedmatch, thank you

Mehmet
03-12-2018, 02:49 PM
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.07
Armenian 0.20
Basque 0.46
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian 40.47
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 12.13
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese 7.34
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.63
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 2.84
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 0.11
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.92
South_Chinese 30.69
Volga-Ural 1.13
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -



MDLP K23b Admixture Proportions


Population
Amerindian 0.27
Ancestral_Altaic 1.01
South_Central_Asian 2.25
Arctic -
South_Indian -
Australoid -
Austronesian 20.53
Caucasian 3.13
Archaic_Human -
East_African -
East_Siberian -
European_Early_Farmers -
Khoisan -
Melano_Polynesian -
Archaic_African -
Near_East 0.73
North_African -
Paleo_Siberian 0.43
African_Pygmy -
South_East_Asian 41.90
Subsaharian -
Tungus-Altaic 29.19
European_Hunters_Gatherers 0.55

Mehmet
03-12-2018, 02:56 PM
sure, actually I am Hui people in China who in history mainly migrated from west or central Asia as invasion of Mongols in Eurasia continent.

Webb
03-12-2018, 07:50 PM
sure, actually I am Hui people in China who in history mainly migrated from west or central Asia as invasion of Mongols in Eurasia continent.

Welcome to Anthrogenica. We have talked on Facebook. My wife is Hui from Kaifeng.

Romilius
03-12-2018, 08:43 PM
Welcome to the tribe.

https://kumbarov.com/ht35/R1b_xP312xU106_V.38.1.pdf

Yamnaya samples Z2105+


L23/S141/PF6534, L478/PF6403, PF6404
CTS7340.1/Z2107.1, CTS9416, CTS1078/GG419/Z2103, GG400/M12149/Y4371/Z8128, GG673/S20902/Z8130, M12132/Y12536/Z8127, M12145/Y12537/Z8129, PF7575/Z2104, PF7585, Z2105


scroll down to----- GG536/Z2106, Y12538/Z8131---for your close matches.

That tree is full of errors... Only a few to begin with: that Romanian mesolithic sample and the two Blatterhohle are on the V88 line and not between L754 and V88; that sample from Monte Canelas MC337A is H2a1 and not R-M269! And yes: Villabruna M73??? When??? Where??? Why!!!???

kmismar
03-12-2018, 08:57 PM
im Palestinian and i share your haplogroup. I wish we had more information on z2103 just like other subgroups.

kmismar
03-12-2018, 09:05 PM
From wiki that might explain r1b in China.

"The foreign element, although greatly diluted, came primarily from Persian (Bosi) traders, who brought Islam to China. These foreigners settled and gradually intermarried, converting them to Islam, while assimilating Chinese culture"

Silesian
03-12-2018, 09:09 PM
im Palestinian and i share your haplogroup. I wish we had more information on z2103 just like other subgroups.
Do you have any more details about your downstream snp's- markers?

Silesian
03-12-2018, 09:13 PM
That tree is full of errors... Only a few to begin with: that Romanian mesolithic sample and the two Blatterhohle are on the V88 line and not between L754 and V88; that sample from Monte Canelas MC337A is H2a1 and not R-M269! And yes: Villabruna M73??? When??? Where??? Why!!!???

It's okay Romilius-no need to worked up-it will all be resolved. Just give it a little time. What a great thread a Hui clan and Palestinian clan may be linked, by ydna.

Silesian
03-12-2018, 09:17 PM
From wiki that might explain r1b in China.

"The foreign element, although greatly diluted, came primarily from Persian (Bosi) traders, who brought Islam to China. These foreigners settled and gradually intermarried, converting them to Islam, while assimilating Chinese culture"

We still do not know for certain if Afanasievo culture is R1b and if so what branch. We also don't know ydna from samples like Cherchen man from Zaghunluq near the town of Qiemo (Cherchen) in the Taklamakan Desert, Xinjiang,
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7nHH1N4BS7A/T4dpGqq80AI/AAAAAAAADAY/OGEoyyfB244/s1600/cherchen+man.jpg

Pribislav
03-12-2018, 09:45 PM
We still do not know for certain if Afanasievo culture is R1b and if so what branch. We also don't know ydna from samples like Cherchen man from Zaghunluq near the town of Qiemo (Cherchen) in the Taklamakan Desert, Xinjiang,
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7nHH1N4BS7A/T4dpGqq80AI/AAAAAAAADAY/OGEoyyfB244/s1600/cherchen+man.jpg

We do know R1b was present among Afanasievans (Hollard 2014, thesis), two of them were M269+, third was P297+. I've checked STRs with Nevgen long ago, and IIRC all three should've been Z2103. There was also one P297+ from Bol'shemis, and one M269+ from Okunevo culture.

Mehmet
03-13-2018, 03:35 AM
Welcome to Anthrogenica. We have talked on Facebook. My wife is Hui from Kaifeng.

sure, It seems we have been talking on Facebook.

kmismar
03-13-2018, 07:39 AM
anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13161-I-m-Palestinian-my-haplogroup-r-L23-(Z2109-)-What-s-next

asm
05-25-2018, 09:37 AM
anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13161-I-m-Palestinian-my-haplogroup-r-L23-(Z2109-)-What-s-next

By which company did you test?Do you know about Lebanon-Syria-Palestine-Jordan DNA project?

ADW_1981
05-25-2018, 06:47 PM
We still do not know for certain if Afanasievo culture is R1b and if so what branch. We also don't know ydna from samples like Cherchen man from Zaghunluq near the town of Qiemo (Cherchen) in the Taklamakan Desert, Xinjiang,


? Confused, by the time of your post we had R1b in Afanasevo, now we have even more. Time and place are crucial, you didn't have a mass exodus of westerners moving into southern Siberia at the time, so I suspect the cultures and therefore the people, are one and the same. It appears some later western cultures moved into the general area who may or may not have been directly related to the earlier wave. These males are tested as R1a1.

ADW_1981
05-25-2018, 06:55 PM
anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13161-I-m-Palestinian-my-haplogroup-r-L23-(Z2109-)-What-s-next

I would test L277 or L584, as those are far more common in the Middle East than this Chinese fellow here.