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Brent.B
03-23-2018, 03:30 AM
YP4647 has a subclade, YP4657. YP4657 is found in Yorkshire, and the only YP4647* sample is located around East Anglia.

The clade seems to fall within the historical area of the Danelaw, and has a MRCA (I think) around that time. Unless we discover a break older than the YP4647*/YP4657 one in England, then I would have to say YP4647 likely came to England as part of the viking invasions. I would like to point out that YP4657 is concentrated in West Yorkshire. Historically, that place was at one point called the kingdom of Deira. Deira is also the place where, in 876, half of the 'Great Heathen Army' settled.

Is the data so far strong enough to support such a conclusion? Are there any other interpretations of whats going on with this clade?

Dibran
03-27-2018, 05:04 PM
YP4647 has a subclade, YP4657. YP4657 is found in Yorkshire, and the only YP4647* sample is located around East Anglia.

The clade seems to fall within the historical area of the Danelaw, and has a MRCA (I think) around that time. Unless we discover a break older than the YP4647*/YP4657 one in England, then I would have to say YP4647 likely came to England as part of the viking invasions. I would like to point out that YP4657 is concentrated in West Yorkshire. Historically, that place was at one point called the kingdom of Deira. Deira is also the place where, in 876, half of the 'Great Heathen Army' settled.

Is the data so far strong enough to support such a conclusion? Are there any other interpretations of whats going on with this clade?

Very interesting. I would say your theory is fairly strong. There were some mention of Pomeranian Vikings, and other Slavic participation in the Heathen army. It may be from this. Another possibility is it arrived from slavic settlements into scandinavia, and then later arrived with the viking invasion to England as a Scandinavian via the earlier assimilation. I reckon almost all L1029 in England that has historically been there for quite some time is part of the Viking Invasions. There was no separate early migration of Slavs as far as I know. So its most likely linked to assimilated L1029 lineages in either Viking or Anglo Saxon arrivals to the area.

Brent.B
04-03-2018, 06:17 PM
It looks like there is a new YP4647 member from Germany.

22462

Do we have any more info on this (kit 393743)? Like where in Germany he is from? Or the new TMRCA for YP4647?

It looks like yp4647 formed on the continent, and yp4648 was a subclade of it that formed in England (kit 413202 is from England)

Ochkas
04-10-2018, 10:46 PM
Good afternoon.
Sorry for my english. Ahead of the events, I want to introduce a new YP4647 to FTDNA - 714786 (Alexander Ochkas).
His ancestors from 1826 lived on the territory of Eastern Ukraine. The earlier period was not investigated.
His number in YFull is YF13145.
Positive SNP: YP4647, YP4649, YP4650, YP4652.
Negative SNP: YP4653
Perhaps this will help you in studying YP4647.

Brent.B
04-22-2018, 05:11 AM
It looks like there are now German and Ukrainian YP4647+ members.

YP4647 must have formed somewhere in the Slavic homeland (with members from England to the Ukraine). Very shortly after (1 snp = 144 years?) YP4653 formed. So far, YP4653 has only German and English members making me think this might be a western branch of YP4647. YP4653>YP4648 looks like it came to England as subclade of this western branch.



Good afternoon.
Sorry for my english. Ahead of the events, I want to introduce a new YP4647 to FTDNA - 714786 (Alexander Ochkas).
His ancestors from 1826 lived on the territory of Eastern Ukraine. The earlier period was not investigated.
His number in YFull is YF13145.
Positive SNP: YP4647, YP4649, YP4650, YP4652.
Negative SNP: YP4653
Perhaps this will help you in studying YP4647.

How many private SNPs does the kit have? And thank you for sharing!!

Waldemar
04-22-2018, 08:40 AM
https://s7.postimg.cc/d576crax7/20180422_093730.jpg

Ochkas
04-23-2018, 08:45 PM
How many private SNPs does the kit have?

Best gual:
Y144413
Y144397

Acceptable gual:
Y144432
Y144411
Y144427
Y144418
Y144396
Z21795
Y144420

Dibran
04-23-2018, 09:33 PM
Good afternoon.
Sorry for my english. Ahead of the events, I want to introduce a new YP4647 to FTDNA - 714786 (Alexander Ochkas).
His ancestors from 1826 lived on the territory of Eastern Ukraine. The earlier period was not investigated.
His number in YFull is YF13145.
Positive SNP: YP4647, YP4649, YP4650, YP4652.
Negative SNP: YP4653
Perhaps this will help you in studying YP4647.

We match on Yfull. Albeit 2000-2300 TMRCA lol.

Ochkas
04-24-2018, 06:00 AM
For Brent.B.

The kit number 714786 (FTDNA) is already present in YFull. His number is YF13145.
On the YFull tree it is still designated as R-L1029. Changes will occur with the next version of the tree. This kit belongs to my namesake.

My personal kit (634321 FTDNA) has the number YF11451. On the YFull tree, I am designated as R-L1029-BY30715.

Brent.B
04-25-2018, 01:05 AM
For Brent.B.

The kit number 714786 (FTDNA) is already present in YFull. His number is YF13145.
On the YFull tree it is still designated as R-L1029. Changes will occur with the next version of the tree. This kit belongs to my namesake.

My personal kit (634321 FTDNA) has the number YF11451. On the YFull tree, I am designated as R-L1029-BY30715.

Thanks for the update!! I'm really excited to see the new TMRCA calculations once Yfull updates.

On a side note, I've noticed that a lot of the L1029* (non Big-Y) samples in the R1a1a and subclades project haven't actually tested for YP4647. Hopefully the addition of Mr. Ochkas sample as well as the German one will encourage more people to check this SNP.

Brent.B
05-18-2018, 03:16 AM
any info on kit IN24890 in the R1a1a and subclades project? Like country of origin?

It was just added to YP4648* "Crosby" lineage.

Artmar
05-18-2018, 08:05 AM
any info on kit IN24890 in the R1a1a and subclades project? Like country of origin?

It was just added to YP4648* "Crosby" lineage.

I can't reveal anything more than this guy is just a cousin or uncle to 571005

Brent.B
06-07-2018, 12:59 PM
I can't reveal anything more than this guy is just a cousin or uncle to 571005

Thank you!

Would you by any chance know/be able to share a rough approximate regarding the location of kit 393743 (YP4653*)? He shows Germany as his "Country" but I am not sure if it is East/West/South/North?

Brent.B
06-10-2018, 04:56 PM
I was pointed in the direction of kit 393743's contact information. I am waiting to hear back for confirmation but I think the kit can be traced back to Baden-Württemberg, Germany just north of the city Basel.

I was under the impression M458 is rare in that part of Germany. It is strange that all the YP4653+ samples are in areas with little slavic presence.

Dibran
06-10-2018, 10:25 PM
I was pointed in the direction of kit 393743's contact information. I am waiting to hear back for confirmation but I think the kit can be traced back to Baden-Württemberg, Germany just north of the city Basel.

I was under the impression M458 is rare in that part of Germany. It is strange that all the YP4653+ samples are in areas with little slavic presence.

L1029 TMRCA has also been adjusted give new samples. It is now 100BC 2100ypb.

Brent.B
06-11-2018, 07:28 AM
L1029 TMRCA has also been adjusted give new samples. It is now 100BC 2100ypb.

Yes, it has. But if you check the "info" tab the exact age given is 2048 ybp. IIRC it wasn't much lower than that before. I'd imagine that at this point it would be more realistic to say L1029's age is anywhere between 1900-2200 ybp, pretty much the same it has been for a while.

Some members on this forum state the TMRCA YFull provides should be about 10% older, so if we assume that is correct you could get slightly older results.

JoeyP37
08-19-2018, 04:42 PM
YP4653 isn't the only L1029 subclade in Baden-Wurttemberg. A Seitz from northern Baden is YP-445; my own YP-445 is from northern Wurttemberg.

Ochkas
11-22-2018, 12:27 PM
Hello.
On the Russian-language forum, the genealogy DNA found an entry left with the kit number 152902. It stated that the kit 152902 according to data from Nevgen.org refers to YP4647 with a probability of 60%. Kit number 152902 on the male line comes from the Zhytomyr region of Ukraine. I think it would be nice to check his SNP YP4647.

Ochkas
11-22-2018, 12:30 PM
Screenshot:

https://
a.radikal.ru
/a27/1810/f1/a89c4c9cafee.png

Brent.B
07-20-2019, 10:02 AM
For the record... we now have confirmed aDNA of “Viking” L1029 in Denmark (probably Slavic migrants?)

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?17812-Population-genomics-of-the-Viking-world-(bioxiv-2019-Copenhagen)

VK139

Brent.B
04-25-2020, 01:13 AM
Does anyone know kit IN68085 (from R1a1a and Subclades project) location of last known ancestor? Guy looks like he has a Polish last name.

Michał
04-25-2020, 08:18 AM
Does anyone know kit IN68085 (from R1a1a and Subclades project) location of last known ancestor? Guy looks like he has a Polish last name.
Yes, he is of Polish origin. I don't know anything aboout his most distant known ancestor, but his last name is strongly associated with the East Pomerania region (or more precisely with Kashubia).
http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Spot-Gliszczy%C5%84ski&join=on
http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Gliszczy%C5%84ski&join=on

Brent.B
05-14-2020, 04:51 PM
Yes, he is of Polish origin. I don't know anything aboout his most distant known ancestor, but his last name is strongly associated with the East Pomerania region (or more precisely with Kashubia).
http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Spot-Gliszczy%C5%84ski&join=on
http://nlp.actaforte.pl:8080/Nomina/Ndistr?nazwisko=Gliszczy%C5%84ski&join=on

I did some digging and it looks like that kit is also part of the "Dunin Clan Project".

Dunin clan claims ancestry from this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piotr_W%C5%82ostowic

Looks like it is Silesian ?

Also, in R1a1a and Subclades project, the kit is listed as "(FGC66323)>YP4647*", while in the R1a and all subclades project it looks like the kit is listed under "fgc66323+ yp4647+ FT101782+"

JoeyP37
05-14-2020, 04:55 PM
I believe Silesia may be an important area of development for the western clades of L1029, along with Moravia.