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Aha
04-01-2018, 10:19 AM
Maps are one of my fascinations. Often they tell a story words cannot describe all that well. Since I discovered I am an N, I have created an N-folder in my Map directory.

This thread's purpose is to mass all the distribution maps (and infographics) on any of the N haplogroup mutations.

I start with view of the most informative maps. First posts will feature a tree-map pair for certain important SNPs. That is, showing their position on the tree (graphics by Dunkel) and on the map in the same time.

Let's start with the aforementioned tree and the migration route:
http://www.kolumbus.fi/geodun/YDNA/SNP-N-TREE-FIN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UsU7wWp.jpg
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And here is the first distribution map, that shows all N upstream of this position in the tree:

N1a (old N1c), L729
https://i.imgur.com/iR9FAgj.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/u4cnW63.jpg
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And here are the two major European branches:

N1a1a1a1a1a N-VL29
https://i.imgur.com/rKkeK7M.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UwAenYG.jpg

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N1a1a1a1a2 N-Z1936
https://i.imgur.com/MIAKHUb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3lCqSHE.jpg

Aha
04-01-2018, 10:25 AM
N1a1a1a2 N-B211/Y9022
https://i.imgur.com/Lu6dieL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WBvZzzm.jpg

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N1a1a2 N-B187
https://i.imgur.com/jyzHTzO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FXsTadh.jpg

Aha
04-01-2018, 10:33 AM
N1a2b N-B523
https://i.imgur.com/xNyIYqG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WBvZzzm.jpg

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N1a1a1a1a3b N-B202
[https://i.imgur.com/pkEpqzv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3S4iioL.jpg

Aha
04-01-2018, 10:37 AM
N1a1a1a1a4 N-M2019
https://i.imgur.com/GyVcwhk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cG4IaZf.jpg

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N1a1a1a1a1c N-B479
https://i.imgur.com/ybIQBxs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NVBnFAB.jpg

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N1a1a1a1a3a N-F4205
https://i.imgur.com/qlXotEq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/L6alffA.jpg

Aha
04-01-2018, 10:43 AM
This is something I have researched myself:

N1a1a1a1a1a1a1a7 N-FGC13372
https://i.imgur.com/Rv7fzDd.png

https://i.imgur.com/rKhMdj6.jpg


Feel free to add your own maps or maps/infographics you have found in the internet.

Aha
04-01-2018, 11:01 AM
Few more distribution maps:

Y-DNA map of Europe showing distributions including N:
https://i.imgur.com/sgxNg0h.jpg


Y-DNA map of the World showing distributions including N:
https://i.imgur.com/zlmqPN8.png

parastais
04-01-2018, 07:59 PM
Thanks! Great and informative posts!

MikkaK
04-04-2018, 03:10 AM
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Aha
04-04-2018, 05:18 AM
From Japanese wikipedia.

https://i.imgur.com/Mm0nn99.png

Kristiina
04-04-2018, 06:31 AM
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These ancient samples are missing:

5 x N1(xN1a, N1c) Tianshanbeilu Xinjiang, 1900-1300 BC
Ancient DNA reveals a migration of the ancient Di-qiang populations into Xinjiang as early as the early Bronze Age
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25546319

Is Sargat there?
Kinship Analysis of Human Remains from the Sargat Mounds, Baraba Forest-Steppe, Western Siberia
Sargat culture, early Iron Age, 5 x N (to my knowledge N1c)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321071660_Kinship_Analysis_of_Human_Remains_from_t he_Sargat_Mounds_Baraba_Forest-Steppe_Western_Siberia

Nibelung
04-04-2018, 06:48 AM
Also the N1c1 Xueshan from the Jiangjialiang site (Ye Shang et al 2016).

https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2016107

Kristiina
04-04-2018, 07:24 AM
This paper also yielded some yDNA haplos, e.g. from Okunevo: Peuplement du sud de la Sibérie et de l'Altaď ŕ l'âge du Bronze : apport de la paléogénétique
https://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/tel-01296484/

List on Eurogenes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQWWRud1dzYWQzUW8/view

Kanenas
04-04-2018, 03:36 PM
As far as I understand the 'N1(xN1c, N1c)' samples from Liao civilization weren't really N1*.

Because I read that in 2014, LLY22g was retired as a defining SNP for Haplogroup N1 and that it was replaced by CTS11499/L735/M2291.

All studies that have found 'N1' in ancient or modern populations are older (2001 to 2013).

Correct me if I am wrong.

Megalophias
04-04-2018, 06:28 PM
IIUC LLY22g when present does mark N, but is unreliable because it frequently back-mutates. So the reported N1(xN1a, N1c) should be N(xN-M128, N-Tat), insofar as we can trust the results of older aDNA studies. Old N1 is just N which still has LLY22g, and old N*(xN1-LLY22g) is an N subclade (usually under N-F2905) with back-mutated LLYY22g.

Aha
04-04-2018, 07:06 PM
This 2015 Chinese study on diversity an distribution of downstream branches of N within modern territory of China
https://arxiv.org/abs/1504.06463
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1504/1504.06463.pdf
"More than 400 males belonging to Haplogroup N in 34 populations in China were successfully
genotyped, and populations in Northern Asia and Eastern Europe were also compared together"

All N1/all N2/all other haplos
https://i.imgur.com/daqr8kj.png


M128 + P43+ M46 / all other N / all other haplos
https://i.imgur.com/89E5lJn.png

https://ai2-s2-public.s3.amazonaws.com/figures/2017-08-08/a2cd8b195e6d59b3cabedb6b38b1281ed0ffb5eb/14-Figure1-1.png

MikkaK
04-05-2018, 02:20 AM
Here are some maps of N distrubution in East Asia from this website http://qudro.blog.me/

Not sure how accurate they are.

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Aha
04-06-2018, 05:45 AM
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These ancient samples are missing:

5 x N1(xN1a, N1c) Tianshanbeilu Xinjiang, 1900-1300 BC
Ancient DNA reveals a migration of the ancient Di-qiang populations into Xinjiang as early as the early Bronze Age
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25546319

Is Sargat there?
Kinship Analysis of Human Remains from the Sargat Mounds, Baraba Forest-Steppe, Western Siberia
Sargat culture, early Iron Age, 5 x N (to my knowledge N1c)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321071660_Kinship_Analysis_of_Human_Remains_from_t he_Sargat_Mounds_Baraba_Forest-Steppe_Western_Siberia


Also the N1c1 Xueshan from the Jiangjialiang site (Ye Shang et al 2016).

https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2016107

Could you compile a list of all ancient samples of N (any N)? I will make a beautiful high resolution map of N distribution (whole Eurasia) and it would be very informative to include the ancient samples location and short description (short-, longhand, date, location, culture)
Will greatly appreciate. Thank you

Nibelung
04-06-2018, 06:00 AM
Yinqui Cui et al 2013 contains a lot, including the three "Yangshao" N from the Miaozigou site 500km west of the Liao River valley, apparently more of a Hongshan projection in that particular case.

https://bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-13-216

But on their map it shouldn't say Longshan, which didn't exist yet.

Aha
04-08-2018, 11:12 AM
Rarest of the N - N2-Y6584 (according to the newest classification).

So far we have only discussed N1 branches.
N2 is a unique and intriguing subclade of N which so far was found only in Europe. It diverged from the rest of N roughly 22k years ago https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/

Position in the tree:
https://i.imgur.com/gfpa9ee.jpg

Distribution:
https://i.imgur.com/eedUAsZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/f5ZzSG3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AiEBNrF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cblmRNq.png

Source of the distribution maps: https://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=216.620

Seems like it is most common in Dalmatia, Dinaric Alps and Vojvodina. But some samples were found all around Europe (but not in Asia)

It was previously found in one of the ancient samples from present day Hungary (before Hungarian invasion):

The most recent YFull haplotree (http://yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/) divides the former N-P189 into two levels, N-P189 and an upstream predecessor N-Y6503. Since I myself have not encountered any Y6503+ P189- , I asked Vladimir Tagankin of YFull for an explanation of the division. He replied:
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http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/141021/ncomms6257/fig_tab/ncomms6257_T1.html
Sample: IR1
Hungary, Ludas-Varjú-dűlő (Iron Age, Pre-Scythian Mezőcsát Culture)
Age: 830-980 BC
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In other words, sample IR1 from the Greater Hungarian Plain of the 9th-10th century B.C. belongs to the predecessor clade of N-P189. In contrast, none of the Hungarian samples in that study (http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/141021/ncomms6257/fig_tab/ncomms6257_T1.html) belonged to R1a, R1b, or N-Tat.

N-P189.2 FTDNA Project:
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/P1892/default.aspx?section=ymap

MikkaK
04-08-2018, 06:14 PM
Interestingly the Mezocsat culture of which IR1 belonged to was aperently Iranic from the pontic steppe.

Take what you will from that about the spread of Y6503.

Nibelung
04-08-2018, 06:35 PM
Has Anatolian N been looked at yet anywhere? Could be relevant to Indo-Uralic contacts and exchanges pre-Indo-Iranian.

Aha
04-08-2018, 08:43 PM
Interestingly the Mezocsat culture of which IR1 belonged to was aperently Iranic from the pontic steppe.

Take what you will from that about the spread of Y6503.

It is unknown who brought it to the place. Iranic origin is a plausible speculation, one that we cannot prove or rule out. There were no samples of the SNP from anywhere where those tribes reportedly hanged out yet.
If it proves to be true, it could be a strong case in favor of West/South Siberian/Central Asian origin of N and even NO. My guess would be the area not far from where NO's greatuncle Ust'-Ishim was found.

MikkaK
04-08-2018, 09:45 PM
It is unknown who brought it to the place. Iranic origin is a plausible speculation, one that we cannot prove or rule out. There were no samples of the SNP from anywhere where those tribes reportedly hanged out yet.
If it proves to be true, it could be a strong case in favor of West/South Siberian/Central Asian origin of N and even NO. My guess would be the area not far from where NO's greatuncle Ust'-Ishim was found.

If this is the case N should show up in the WSHG samples in the new South/Central Asian paper. Unfortunately all samples were female and I have a suspecion even if they weren't YDNA Q or some form of R would show up instead.

eshl
04-13-2020, 03:29 PM
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What is the ethnics group for CTS12473?
Where is the origin of this branch F2905?

Thank you

serak333
01-04-2021, 01:43 PM
Maps are one of my fascinations. Often they tell a story words cannot describe all that well. Since I discovered I am an N, I have created an N-folder in my Map directory.

Hello, your N-maps are fantastic!! Where do you keep the Map directory you mention above? How did find enough data to generate your N1a1a1a1a1a1a1a7 map in Lithuania ? One of the paternal lines in my family is N-Y38823 for yfull kit : YF77810

N-Z16975 - N1a1a1a1a1a1a1a3 (FGC13372/Z16975)
N-Y38823 Y41539 * FT191035 * Y38823+2 SNPs

https://yfull.com/tree/N-Z16976/
https://yfull.com/tree/N-Y38823/

Hope to hear from you