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Kurd
04-02-2018, 10:24 PM
Exciting times if you are a West, Central, or South Asian with all the new ancient samples that were recently sequenced. Although I'll be throughly examining all the samples when they are published hopefully this week according to Reich, Shahr-e-Sukhteh which is the site of ancient ruins with thousands of graves is special for me, because some of my recent ancestors roamed those areas. It is near Zabol in Sistan Iran, and about 100 miles north of Khash, Iran, which was the center of gravity of the Kurds that migrated there from the Iran-Iraq border area about 500 years ago, amongst whom were some of my not so distant relatives.

First, here is a map of some of the sites where ancient samples where recovered in Narasimhan et al 2018:

https://i.imgur.com/b3Sf6vE.jpg

Shahr-e-Sukhteh is in a very desolate desert on the Afghan border near the Helmand river, and seems to have been a thriving place from 5000 to 3000 years ago. To give you an idea of how desolate the area is here is a very informative video on it to let your imagination roam:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ1z16zENk&t=0s&list=PLIVB0wulhaq9QIH2yQBa_p4OAdCmKJnGs&index=1


Here are some faces from the area:

https://i.imgur.com/QTn2JBO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/P02jHp3.jpg

And yes the AASI phenotype still exists in Iran;

https://i.imgur.com/jxUMr7J.jpg


So who were the inhabitants of Shahr-e-Sukhteh? Well first, the culture was likely linked to Jiroft and the Helmand in present day Afghanistan. Was it an Elamo-Dravidian or Bactrian outpost, and did they speak a language similar to Brahui?


Was it always this desolate. I don't think so. I believe it had much more vegetation, but the climatic changes that stopped the monsoons a few thousand years ago and led to the demise of Mohenjo Daro affected this area also to some degree.


To be continued later today.....

Kurd
04-03-2018, 04:26 AM
One of the takeaways for me is that AASI is old in Iran, since the 4000-5000year old Shahr-e-Sukhera harbored AASI in the range of 14-42%! The AASI - Iran N admixture is estimated to have occurred 5000-6700 years ago, probably not far from Shahr-e-Sukhreh.

About 60-75 % of their admixture was Iran N, 5-10% W Siberian HG, and surprisingly only 1 out of 3 samples had about
20% ENF .

By contrast the Chalcolithic NW Iranian sample had no AASI or Siberian HG, and was a 50/50 straight mix of Iran N and AASI. Thus sometime after the Chalcolithic AASI spread to W Iran and Kurdistan along with Siberian HG and E Asian. The question is when.

Kurd
04-03-2018, 04:31 AM
A little off topic, here is a nice video featuring Iranian crocodiles, banana plantations, and mud volcanoes in the SE of Iran.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhMY79yq13E&t=0s&list=PLIVB0wulhaq9QIH2yQB a_p4OAdCmKJnGs&index=2

jesus
04-03-2018, 04:56 AM
One of the takeaways for me is that AASI is old in Iran, since the 4000-5000year old Shahr-e-Sukhera harbored AASI in the range of 14-42%! The AASI - Iran N admixture is estimated to have occurred 5000-6700 years ago, probably not far from Shahr-e-Sukhreh.

About 60-75 % of their admixture was Iran N, 5-10% W Siberian HG, and surprisingly only 1 out of 3 samples had about
20% ENF .

By contrast the Chalcolithic NW Iranian sample had no AASI or Siberian HG, and was a 50/50 straight mix of Iran N and AASI. Thus sometime after the Chalcolithic AASI spread to W Iran and Kurdistan along with Siberian HG and E Asian. The question is when.

ENF/Anatolian farmer is highest in the NW(50%) but it decreases when you move more to the east. Even Turkmen farmers had significant Anatolian farmer admix. Tajik farmers(Sarazm) were only 3% Anatolia Neolithic(lowest in Central Asia).

Btw, that woman is Afro-Iranian from Balochistsn.

redifflal
04-03-2018, 12:27 PM
I was gonna say, some sub Saharan mixed with middle east and also Iberian populations tend to give pseudo South Asian facial features...

AASI is basically that part in the Indus Periphery individuals that is xIran_N? Indus Periphery is now defined by aDNA, but to extrapolate from that to how much is Iran_N and then assign the rest to a newly constructed contributor AASI, I don't know folks.

StarDS9
04-03-2018, 12:52 PM
I do not think the last picture represents AASI in Iran. As I have seen that picture before about Africans in Bandar Abbas and Makrani,Sheedi people in Pakistan.

jesus
04-03-2018, 06:07 PM
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1 represents the non IVC migrant, native population.

"The main set of samples from Shahr-i-Sokhta (Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA1) also resemble the ancestry of the BMAC, but with less Anatolian agriculturalist related ancesty and higher West Siberian HG ancestry. "

5.3% LBK
86% Parkhai EN
8.7% Irula

and

6.6% Tripolye
56.2% Parkhai EN
37.2% Sarazm EN

With an Iranian farmer sample in the mix:

11.1% Tripolye
29.5% Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
59.5% Sarazm EN

tipirneni
05-31-2018, 12:52 AM
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 widely distributed in India. Some south indians get more than 90% admixtue using mix of ancient genome nmonte G25 model. Culture wise the Aratta seems to have spread in ancient times in India.

I get on average above 90% admix when running with similar cultures. The Shahr e Sokhteh appears in certain combinations with Anatolian MLBA & Yamnaya Karagash all over India.

"distance%=2.1215"

Suresh_T_scaled

Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3S8728.E1.L1,91
Anatolia_MLBA_MA2205,3.4
Scythian_Hungary,1.9
Xiong_Nu,1.6
WHGRochedane,1
Baltic_IA,0.6
Tepe_Hissar_ChL_I2512,0.5

On the Neolithic calculator

Iran_EN_LN,46.1
East_Asian_Paleolithic,31.5
Ust_Ishim,19.6
Steppe_EMBA,2.8


A lot of people score above 40% on Iran EN LN.

jortita
05-31-2018, 08:39 AM
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 widely distributed in India. Some south indians get more than 90% admixtue using mix of ancient genome nmonte G25 model. Culture wise the Aratta seems to have spread in ancient times in India.

I get on average above 90% admix when running with similar cultures. The Shahr e Sokhteh appears in certain combinations with Anatolian MLBA & Yamnaya Karagash all over India.

"distance%=2.1215"

Suresh_T_scaled

Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3S8728.E1.L1,91
Anatolia_MLBA_MA2205,3.4
Scythian_Hungary,1.9
Xiong_Nu,1.6
WHGRochedane,1
Baltic_IA,0.6
Tepe_Hissar_ChL_I2512,0.5

On the Neolithic calculator

Iran_EN_LN,46.1
East_Asian_Paleolithic,31.5
Ust_Ishim,19.6
Steppe_EMBA,2.8


A lot of people score above 40% on Iran EN LN.

Can you please share the two sets of populations, especially the Neolithic ones, as I cannot discern on my own

tipirneni
05-31-2018, 06:15 PM
Can you please share the two sets of populations, especially the Neolithic ones, as I cannot discern on my own

Ust_Ishim -> Ust_Ishim_Ust_Ishim
Iran_EN_LN -> Iran_N_AH1 Iran_N_AH4 Iran_N_WC1 Iran_N_AH2 Iran_LN_I1671 Iran_N_I1290
East_Asian_Paleolithic -> Tianyuan_TY

jortita
06-01-2018, 03:35 PM
Ust_Ishim -> Ust_Ishim_Ust_Ishim
Iran_EN_LN -> Iran_N_AH1 Iran_N_AH4 Iran_N_WC1 Iran_N_AH2 Iran_LN_I1671 Iran_N_I1290
East_Asian_Paleolithic -> Tianyuan_TY

Thank you very much, can you kindly also let me know what your G25 ancient populations are, thank you

jortita
06-02-2018, 04:00 AM
Ust_Ishim -> Ust_Ishim_Ust_Ishim
Iran_EN_LN -> Iran_N_AH1 Iran_N_AH4 Iran_N_WC1 Iran_N_AH2 Iran_LN_I1671 Iran_N_I1290
East_Asian_Paleolithic -> Tianyuan_TY

I could not find quite a few of these pops on Davidskis pop averages sheet and hence would appreciate if you could please send me the link

tipirneni
06-02-2018, 05:45 AM
Thank you very much, can you kindly also let me know what your G25 ancient populations are, thank you

"distance%=2.0873"

Suresh_T_scaled

Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,86.2
Katelai_IA,6.3
Hallstatt_Bylany,2.7
Anatolia_MLBA,2.2
Xiong_Nu,1.6
WHG,1

- Nearest populations -
"Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Anatolia_MLBA:MA2205 Katelai_IA:I5399 Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111 WHG:Rochedane Xiong_Nu:DA45"
"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Katelai_IA:I5399 Barikot_IA:I6547
3.521285 7.397126 9.112979



"distance%=2.7807"

Jortita

Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,66.1
Xiong_Nu,17.9
Saka_central,5.3
Golden_Horde_Europe,4.9
Alan,3.7
Anatolia_IA,1.8
WHG,0.3
- Nearest populations -
"Golden_Horde_Europe:DA29 Xiong_Nu:DA45 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Saka_central:DA10 Alan:DA164 WHG:I1875 Xiong_Nu:DA43 Anatolia_IA:MA2197"
"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Barikot_IA:I6547 Katelai_IA:I5399
11.13003 12.25605 12.31068


Botai Genomes are available from Davidski in his Eurogenes site at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zhtmrcQ6I5WkZb0jogZe5Dqo2nVMCWHo/view?usp=sharing

jortita
06-02-2018, 10:09 AM
"distance%=2.0873"

Suresh_T_scaled

Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,86.2
Katelai_IA,6.3
Hallstatt_Bylany,2.7
Anatolia_MLBA,2.2
Xiong_Nu,1.6
WHG,1

- Nearest populations -
"Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Anatolia_MLBA:MA2205 Katelai_IA:I5399 Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111 WHG:Rochedane Xiong_Nu:DA45"
"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Katelai_IA:I5399 Barikot_IA:I6547
3.521285 7.397126 9.112979



"distance%=2.7807"

Jortita

Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,66.1
Xiong_Nu,17.9
Saka_central,5.3
Golden_Horde_Europe,4.9
Alan,3.7
Anatolia_IA,1.8
WHG,0.3
- Nearest populations -
"Golden_Horde_Europe:DA29 Xiong_Nu:DA45 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Saka_central:DA10 Alan:DA164 WHG:I1875 Xiong_Nu:DA43 Anatolia_IA:MA2197"
"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Barikot_IA:I6547 Katelai_IA:I5399
11.13003 12.25605 12.31068


Botai Genomes are available from Davidski in his Eurogenes site at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zhtmrcQ6I5WkZb0jogZe5Dqo2nVMCWHo/view?usp=sharing

Thank you very much, I could not find the neolithic populations

tipirneni
06-02-2018, 09:00 PM
Thank you very much, I could not find the neolithic populations

When I added some udegram samples that had western influence the western hun % went down. But still the WHG signal is not gone. There might be more ancient samples that had significant WHG signal from mtDNA like H20, H2a2, H14a from these SWAT valley samples that are not discovered yet.

"distance%=2.0688"

Suresh_T_scaled

Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,86.9
Udegram_IA,6.9
Anatolia_MLBA,1.8
Xiong_Nu,1.6
Scythian_Hungary,1.3
WHG,1
Hallstatt_Bylany,0.5

- Nearest populations -
[1] "Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3:S8728.E1.L1 Xiong_Nu:DA45 Udegram_IA:I1985 Scythian_Hungary:DA198 Anatolia_MLBA:MA2205 Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111 WHG:Rochedane Xiong_Nu:DA43 WHG:I1875 Anatolia_MLBA:MA2208 Anatolia_MLBA:MA2200"

The Neolithic sheet was in one of the posts in Eurogenes site. I am trying to get a link.