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Nino90
04-04-2018, 03:23 PM
Hi. I have done a 23andmetest some months ago. And my Y-dna is R-L2, From what I understand 23andme dont go very deep in Y-dna or Mtdna.
Do I need to do a Ftdna y-dna test to find out what subclades? Can somebody please help me. I am a beginner.

Acque agitate
04-09-2018, 12:10 PM
Ciao Nino,
If you are Italian as it seems to me, I inform you that just a few days ago I have created the facebook page "R1b-U152 - Italia". This page is intended to help Italians who intend to perform a test and who are not very familiar with English.
In this page you can ask me all the questions you want.



Hi. I have done a 23andmetest some months ago. And my Y-dna is R-L2, From what I understand 23andme dont go very deep in Y-dna or Mtdna.
Do I need to do a Ftdna y-dna test to find out what subclades? Can somebody please help me. I am a beginner.

Nino90
04-09-2018, 01:44 PM
Hi and thanks. My italian is a bit rusty since I am born in Sweden. But thank you for your advice.

MitchellSince1893
04-09-2018, 03:05 PM
Hi. I have done a 23andmetest some months ago. And my Y-dna is R-L2, From what I understand 23andme dont go very deep in Y-dna or Mtdna.
Do I need to do a Ftdna y-dna test to find out what subclades? Can somebody please help me. I am a beginner.

Hi,
Yes you will need to do additional testing to delve deeper. The most comprehensive test is Full Genome Corporation (FGC) Y Elite test followed by FTDNA BigY test. Or you could order the FTDNA L2 SNP Pack Test.

asquecco
04-09-2018, 08:07 PM
Hi. I have done a 23andmetest some months ago. And my Y-dna is R-L2, From what I understand 23andme dont go very deep in Y-dna or Mtdna.
Do I need to do a Ftdna y-dna test to find out what subclades? Can somebody please help me. I am a beginner.

I would try YSeq (https://www.yseq.net)

Acque agitate
04-10-2018, 09:50 AM
Ciao Nino90,
in my first response I did not recommend any product because I had the doubt that it was not allowed in this forum.
I said that I personally did the genetic test with Ftdna, 23andme and with Full genomes. While I have recommended to many of my friends the test at Yseq.net (all my friends have then decided to run the test with Yseq.net)
I believe that there is absolutely no better product than another.
I recommend 23andme only to a person (American) who is exclusively interested in health. I do not recommend it for people who want to study their men's line: the test is very limited and, above all, does not offer the possibility of carrying out further investigations (in fact, now you have to contact other companies).
To friends who, like you, have performed the test at 23andme and wish to deepen the ancestral male aspect I highly recommend Yseq.net, especially if there is a specific panel in their store (as in your case, Yseq offers the "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel "). I recommend this company for countless reasons, for example:
1) the price (and the quality / price ratio). In your case the cost is about € 90 (I know because many of my friends are doing it);
2) the speed of the test;
3) the great willingness to insert new products and update existing ones;
4) the possibility of being able to run the panel without necessarily having to perform preliminary tests, in the specific case Y37 (among other things, Yseq offers it at a much lower price);
5) etc.

I am a big fan of Full Genomes but I recommend Full Genomes only to true genetics fans. I believe that the product of Full Genomes is the most advanced on the market today, but there are 2 important contraindications:
1) The cost: the cheapest product costs $ 645. I am convinced that this is an absolutely justified cost and I would do this test a thousand times (it cost me much more since I did it in 2013). Unfortunately, few people are willing to pay such a cost in a single time. None of my friends decided to run the test at Full Genomes (everyone chose Yseq for the cost);
2) The time required to perform the test;

I hope I have adequately answered your doubts.
Greetings from your land of origin (Tuscan-Emilian Apennines)

R.Rocca
04-13-2018, 02:08 AM
I do not know if YSeq offers an L2 pack. If they don’t, I don’t think it will be very valuable for someone who’s is already L2.

Acque agitate
04-13-2018, 10:18 AM
Ciao Richard,
I recommend Yseq for the following reasons (obviously personal opinion):

1) Yseq proposes the "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel" that includes almost everything that exists downstream of U152 (99 $) and that costs less than the "Pack L2" of FtDna (119 $);

2) If a person who knows he is L2+ (for testing at 23andme) decides to run the "L2 Pack" at FtDna, he must first perform the Y37 test which costs $ 169 (at Ftna). This need does not exist for Yseq. In any case, Yseq performs the Y37 test at a much more affordable price ($ 99);

3) Lately Yseq, compared to my personal request made on Facebook, has proved very willing to expand the test "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel" (included all the snps I had requested, downstream L2). I believe that all this is very important especially for Italians since many of us belong to subclades not yet identified (I Think the fact that the May part of those who undergo a test is Anglo-Saxon has determined a deformation of reality in the reconstruction of tree);

These are the reasons that led me to recommend all my Italian friends to test themselves at Yseq. At Full Genomes if they are willing to spend more than $ 600.

R.Rocca
04-13-2018, 11:12 AM
I agree for folks that are U152, but if you already know you are L2, if you are not Z367, the YSeq panel is a waste of money.

Acque agitate
04-13-2018, 03:00 PM
Ciao Richard,
you intrigued me about the samples L2+, Z367-. In the next days I will do a detailed check by comparing the "Pack L2" of FtDna and the "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel" by Yseq. The thing I remember is that, following my request through facebook, Yseq had inserted all known snps downstream L2+, Z49-, Z367-.

Another point in favor of Yseq that I forgot to mention is that every additional snp you want to test has a cost of $ 18, while with FtDna the cost is $ 39 (2.16 times!!!). This difference seems so high as to be frustrating, especially if a person decides to test various snp and not just one snp.

Obviously I am not opposed to carrying out a test at FtDna today. This company has some positive aspects, such as the big database and the (public) projects that have been our luck. It is clear that if everyone starts to run the test at Yseq our game breaks (we can no longer compare each other).
The solution could be: perform the necessary investigations at Yseq and perform a symbolic test at FtDna ... let me know what you think

Ad maiora

Nino90
04-13-2018, 03:16 PM
Ciao Richard,
you intrigued me about the samples L2+, Z367-. In the next days I will do a detailed check by comparing the "Pack L2" of FtDna and the "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel" by Yseq. The thing I remember is that, following my request through facebook, Yseq had inserted all known snps downstream L2+, Z49-, Z367-.

Another point in favor of Yseq that I forgot to mention is that every additional snp you want to test has a cost of $ 18, while with FtDna the cost is $ 39 (2.16 times!!!). This difference seems so high as to be frustrating, especially if a person decides to test various snp and not just one snp.

Obviously I am not opposed to carrying out a test at FtDna today. This company has some positive aspects, such as the big database and the (public) projects that have been our luck. It is clear that if everyone starts to run the test at Yseq our game breaks (we can no longer compare each other).
The solution could be: perform the necessary investigations at Yseq and perform a symbolic test at FtDna ... let me know what you think

Ad maiora

What test should I order on Yseq. Don't really understand.

asquecco
04-13-2018, 04:12 PM
What test should I order on Yseq. Don't really understand.

Here is the YSeq R1b-U152 Superclade Panel:
https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=38288
On the other hand there is R1b-L2 SNP Pack (old post)
http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=39552
I knew in the past the FTDNA pack was not covering the tree downstream to Z49/S68. Not sure what is the situation now.

Acque agitate
04-13-2018, 04:23 PM
My personal opinion is that the most convenient test for you is the one at Yseq "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel":
https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=38288

The total cost is $ 99 + about $ 4/5 for the kit.

If you had to decide to run the test at FtDna, you should first run the Y37 test, which costs $ 169 and then you should run the "Pack L2" test which costs $ 119. For a total of $ 289

Furthermore, by performing the test at Yseq:
1) At a later date, if necessary, you can perform each additional snp test at a cost of $ 18 (instead of $ 39 FtDna);
2) if you wish to know your Y37 in the future, you can order the YSEQ-Alpha-Beta test at Yseq, which costs $ 85 (instead of $ 169 for FtDna).

MitchellSince1893
04-13-2018, 10:05 PM
Based on what they mention on their respective websites here are the 90 SNPs that the FTDNA L2 SNP pack covers that the yseq.net U152 Superclade panel does not.

A1704
A1706
A1717
A1722
A6455
BY1020
BY1145
BY2381
BY2824
BY2825
BY2826
BY2895
BY3477
BY3478
BY3479
BY3480
BY3485
BY3486
BY3489
BY3490
BY3491
BY3492
BY3493
BY3496
BY3497
BY3498
BY3499
BY3500
BY3501
BY3502
BY3503
BY3504
BY3505
BY3509
BY3510
BY3511
BY3512
BY3514
BY771
BY806
BY831
FGC10536
FGC10543
FGC13617
FGC13620
FGC13621
FGC13623
FGC22500
FGC22501
FGC22512
FGC22513
FGC22528
FGC22533
FGC29428
FGC32882
FGC4166
FGC4177
FGC4193
FGC4213
FGC4220
FGC5303
FGC5306
FGC5308
FGC5344
FGC5345
FGC8154
FGC8178
L409
PF6658
PF7603
PF7604
PF7605
PF7610
PH3790
PR5365
S1555
S1561
S1567
S1570
S1573
Y11232
Y11931
Y11932
Y11933
Y3961
Y6763
Z49 (yseq instead tests for Z68)
Z705
ZZ48_1
ZZ48_2

Besides Z49, there may be additional SNPs that yseq tests for that have phylogenically equivalent SNPs to what FTDNA tests for. I simply loaded both lists into a spread sheet to find the duplicate names.

R.Rocca
04-13-2018, 11:25 PM
I agree for folks that are U152, but if you already know you are L2, if you are not Z367, the YSeq panel is a waste of money.

I was completely wrong about this. I saw a lot of red SNPs in YSeq's tree and assumed they were not covered. That is not the case, the colors do not have any meaning. Therefore, YSeq does offer a very good value.

Acque agitate
04-13-2018, 11:28 PM
Ciao Mitchell,
Unfortunately, at this moment I do not have the time to perform a specific check.
I have only done this trivial verification ::
1) "L2 Pack" by FtDna analyzes 132 snps, including U152 and L2;
2) "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel", only for L2, analyzes 166 snps, including U152 and L2. Furthermore, this panel contains many other downstream U152 snps (148 snps, for a total of 314 snps; 2.37 times the number of snps tested by "L2 Pack");

I deduce that "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel", only for the part related to L2, analyzes 32 snps more than the "L2 Pack" of FtDna.
Let's not forget the only thing that Nino90 knows at the moment is that of belonging to L2.
By doing the "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel" he will be able to identify his group (if currently known) and any additional snp he will have to analyze will cost him $ 18 instead of $ 39 with FtDna.

These are some of the reasons that led me to recommend Nino90 and all my Italian U152 friends to run the "R1b-U152 Superclade Panel" at Yseq.
Obviously this is my opinion at this precise moment.
Obviously Nino90 is free to perform the test at any company he considers suitable. If he decides to perform the test at FtDna he will certainly not make a mistake.

I thank FtDna for the projects he designed, a very useful tool for all of us. Obviously when and if FtDna decides to reduce its prices, I will be even more grateful.



Based on what they mention on their respective websites here are the 90 SNPs that the FTDNA L2 SNP pack covers that the yseq.net U152 Superclade panel does not.

A1704
A1706
A1717
A1722
A6455
BY1020
BY1145
BY2381
BY2824
BY2825
BY2826
BY2895
BY3477
BY3478
BY3479
BY3480
BY3485
BY3486
BY3489
BY3490
BY3491
BY3492
BY3493
BY3496
BY3497
BY3498
BY3499
BY3500
BY3501
BY3502
BY3503
BY3504
BY3505
BY3509
BY3510
BY3511
BY3512
BY3514
BY771
BY806
BY831
FGC10536
FGC10543
FGC13617
FGC13620
FGC13621
FGC13623
FGC22500
FGC22501
FGC22512
FGC22513
FGC22528
FGC22533
FGC29428
FGC32882
FGC4166
FGC4177
FGC4193
FGC4213
FGC4220
FGC5303
FGC5306
FGC5308
FGC5344
FGC5345
FGC8154
FGC8178
L409
PF6658
PF7603
PF7604
PF7605
PF7610
PH3790
PR5365
S1555
S1561
S1567
S1570
S1573
Y11232
Y11931
Y11932
Y11933
Y3961
Y6763
Z49 (yseq instead tests for Z68)
Z705
ZZ48_1
ZZ48_2

Besides Z49, there may be additional SNPs that yseq tests for that have phylogenically equivalent SNPs to what FTDNA tests for. I simply loaded both lists into a spread sheet to find the duplicate names.

MitchellSince1893
04-13-2018, 11:53 PM
Here are the Total SNP list for each product.

Yseq U152 Super Panel
A11708
A11965
A12406
A12407
A12409
A12414
A12415
A12419
A12424
A12428
A12452
A12463
A12510
A12514
A12515
A14634
A14637
A15646
A1718
A17627
A1773
A19717
A19723
A274
A275
A517
A520
A5314
A6454
A7082
A7969
A7970
A7974
A7977
A7981
A7986
A7993
A8020
A8033
A8380
A8439
A8442
A8446
A8803
A9024
A9916
BY2171
BY2806
BY2823
BY3481
BY3482
BY3483
BY3484
BY3487)
BY3494
BY3506
BY3507
BY3508
BY3513
BY3537
BY3541
BY3550
BY3557
BY3558
BY3559
BY3570
BY3575
BY3585
BY3592
BY3596
BY3598
BY3604
BY3618
BY3629
BY3631
BY3634
BY3635
BY3647
BY3654
BY3843
BY3856
BY3858
BY3952
BY3958
BY3961
BY4246
BY5692
BY5698
BY5723
BY820
CTS10009
CTS10222
CTS10276
CTS1073
CTS10851
CTS11232
CTS11381
CTS11993
CTS188
CTS278
CTS2904
CTS3080
CTS36
CTS4562
CTS5531
CTS5689
CTS617
CTS7197
CTS7352
CTS7970
CTS8125
CTS8684
CTS9490
CTS9733
DF103)
DF110
DF90
FGC10516
FGC10525
FGC10530
FGC11595
FGC12378
FGC12383
FGC12393
FGC12401
FGC13619
FGC14641
FGC17183
FGC20774
FGC20777
FGC20786
FGC20796
FGC20808
FGC22503
FGC22516
FGC22538
FGC22938
FGC22942
FGC22952
FGC22963
FGC22968
FGC29470
FGC36273
FGC36553
FGC36895
FGC36896
FGC36897
FGC36902
FGC36918
FGC36920
FGC37173
FGC37197
FGC37210
FGC4166
FGC4183
FGC41940
FGC41995
FGC42109
FGC42110
FGC42117
FGC42920
FGC43713
FGC5040
FGC5058
FGC51125
FGC52322
FGC5301
FGC5356
FGC6057
FGC62167
FGC6411
FGC6511
FGC8158
L196
L199
L2
L20
L4
L408)
L553
L654
PF6577
PF6582
PF6608
PF6610
PF6627
PF6641
PF6645
PF6655
PF6662
PF6666
PF6685
PF6692
PF6693
PF6696
PF6707
PF6715
PF6716
PF7599
PF7609
PF7623
PF7629
PF7634
PF7636
PF7641
PH4078
S14469
S1480
S1491
S1505
S1523
S1527
S1566
S1569
S16930
S18014
S18462
S20363
S20376
S20550
S22778
S23443
S42
S4634
S47
S5490
S7409
S8010
S8024
S8034
S8172
S8183
S9635
to
U152
Y11667
Y12398
Y12492
Y12604
Y12696
Y13610
Y16001
Y16334
Y16885
Y17091
Y17161
Y17163
Y17179
Y17274
Y17621
Y19337
Y19410
Y19716
Y19751
Y20026
Y20172
Y22176
Y22299
Y22447
Y23227
Y23841
Y24059
Y24606
Y28973
Y34329
Y37731
Y3960
Y3964
Y6354
Y6792
Z12222
Z142
Z144)
Z148
Z1910
Z192
Z194
Z257
Z259
Z291
Z29988
Z30020
Z30038
Z30043
Z30060
Z30109
Z30110
Z30120
Z30124
Z30125
Z30128
Z30129
Z30138
Z30143
Z30145
Z30147
Z30187
Z30190
Z30192
Z30197
Z30199
Z30200
Z30201
Z30207
Z30209
Z30211
Z30212
Z30213
Z30214
Z367
Z44
Z48
Z51
Z52
Z56
Z57
Z67
Z68
Z70
Z72

FTDNA L2 SNP pack on the right.
A1704
A1706
A1717
A1722
A6454
A6455
BY1020
BY1145
BY2381
BY2823
BY2824
BY2825
BY2826
BY2895
BY3477
BY3478
BY3479
BY3480
BY3481
BY3482
BY3483
BY3484
BY3485
BY3486
BY3487
BY3489
BY3490
BY3491
BY3492
BY3493
BY3496
BY3497
BY3498
BY3499
BY3500
BY3501
BY3502
BY3503
BY3504
BY3505
BY3506
BY3507
BY3508
BY3509
BY3510
BY3511
BY3512
BY3513
BY3514
BY771
BY806
BY831
CTS10009
CTS3080
CTS5689
DF103
DF110
FGC10516
FGC10525
FGC10536
FGC10543
FGC13617
FGC13620
FGC13621
FGC13623
FGC14641
FGC22500
FGC22501
FGC22503
FGC22512
FGC22513
FGC22516
FGC22528
FGC22533
FGC22538
FGC29428
FGC29470
FGC32882
FGC36273
FGC4166
FGC4177
FGC4183
FGC4193
FGC4213
FGC4220
FGC5301
FGC5303
FGC5306
FGC5308
FGC5344
FGC5345
FGC5356
FGC8154
FGC8158
FGC8178
L196
L199
L2
L408
L409
PF6658
PF7599
PF7603
PF7604
PF7605
PF7609
PF7610
PH3790
PR5365
S1555
S1561
S1566
S1567
S1569
S1570
S1573
S18462
U152
Y11232
Y11667
Y11931
Y11932
Y11933
Y3960
Y3961
Y3964
Y6763
Z367
Z49
Z705
ZZ48_1
ZZ48_2

asquecco
04-15-2018, 04:42 AM
At the moment YSeq's panel perfectly covers my Z49+ S8183+ S22778+ S5490+ Y17179+ FGC6057+ branch (R-Y5383).

halfalp
04-17-2018, 03:05 AM
Hey hello ! fellow brothers of lineage ! So i retake the topic that i made somewhere else and ask how can i know my downstream or deep subclades ? i've been tested R-L2 on 23andme, apparently there is an snp test to make ? and second question, is R-L2 an Italian clade generally ? i'm Swiss and for what i know my paternal lineage is here between some times, but the 23andme test reveal to me that i had a 100% italian ancestor between the last 300 years, it would be odd that he is the origin of that paternal clade :p.

R.Rocca
04-17-2018, 03:45 PM
FYI, I move this thread from the R1b area to the R-L2 section.

R.Rocca
04-17-2018, 03:49 PM
Hey hello ! fellow brothers of lineage ! So i retake the topic that i made somewhere else and ask how can i know my downstream or deep subclades ? i've been tested R-L2 on 23andme, apparently there is an snp test to make ? and second question, is R-L2 an Italian clade generally ? i'm Swiss and for what i know my paternal lineage is here between some times, but the 23andme test reveal to me that i had a 100% italian ancestor between the last 300 years, it would be odd that he is the origin of that paternal clade :p.

R-L2 has been north of the Alps for a long time. See a map of ancient samples here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=15zJwudMOPqf20VVXXNXkm4qydzTP3VW0&usp=sharing

halfalp
04-18-2018, 09:45 PM
I guess our ancestors where there for a long time, good to know. :)

Nino90
04-20-2018, 10:12 AM
Yeah. Real nice to find out. I think it's a bit sad that reference population(autosomal) in Tuscany is just from one village. Would be nice with more Y-dna and autosomal studies.

kinman
04-21-2018, 12:24 PM
Yes,
I particularly like RISE471 in southern Germany. It fits perfectly my view that L2 originated about 4900 years ago on the Danube River in southern Germany and spread to SE France by about 4400 years ago). Once L2 and its subclades reached the Rhine River, they spread north, west, and south.

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R-L2 has been north of the Alps for a long time. See a map of ancient samples here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=15zJwudMOPqf20VVXXNXkm4qydzTP3VW0&usp=sharing

Acque agitate
04-21-2018, 08:38 PM
Ciao Nino90,
have you decided whether to perform a further test to understand which line of L2 you belong to?


Yeah. Real nice to find out. I think it's a bit sad that reference population(autosomal) in Tuscany is just from one village. Would be nice with more Y-dna and autosomal studies.

hadleyro1
04-27-2018, 06:33 PM
Now if we could only map where PH137 came from as I think there are not tests lower then that at this point!

Nino90
05-07-2018, 09:21 AM
I have not decide yet. But maybe will in the future. Thanks for all info.

Acque agitate
05-10-2018, 10:28 AM
I have not decide yet. But maybe will in the future. Thanks for all info.

I hope that in the future you decide to perform the in-depth test. From the research I have carried out it seems to me that the surname Bussoli is probably from the province of Modena in the border with the province of Bologna. The area of maximum interest for me and where there is a very high concentration of R1b, U152 and L2 (circumstance that I have deduced through 23andme). Unfortunately only a few people decide to perform the in-depth test. I hope times change

Titus Valerius
05-15-2018, 04:50 AM
Hi and thanks. My italian is a bit rusty since I am born in Sweden. But thank you for your advice.

Hi Nino where are your parents from? Perhaps La Spezia province?

Nino90
05-15-2018, 01:25 PM
Hi Nino where are your parents from? Perhaps La Spezia province?

Hi! My Italian side are from North Of Montecatini. In the mountain parts north of Pescia.

Acque agitate
05-15-2018, 03:48 PM
Hi! My Italian side are from North Of Montecatini. In the mountain parts north of Pescia.


Hi Nino,
the test you performed at 23andme is the one with the v5 chip?
I'll point out that if so you can also check other snp under L2, for example Z49, Z367, Z34, and others.
Please let us know that we will provide you with some information on how to proceed with the verification.

Nino90
05-15-2018, 03:51 PM
Yes. It's the V5. How can I check for other snps?

Acque agitate
05-15-2018, 05:00 PM
Yes. It's the V5. How can I check for other snps?

Ciao Nino,
go to the "Raw data explore" page of the "Tools" menu and then enter these strings:
1) "rs7067387" - refers to Z367: Ancestral T, Derived C;
2) "rs7067305" - refers to L20: Ancestral G, Derived A;
3) "rs34173183" - refers to Z383: Ancestral C, Derived T;
4) "i701739" - refers to L196 (subgroup of DF110): Ancestral C, Derived T;
5) "i701652" - refers to Z49: Ancestral G, Derived T;
6) "i705722" - refers to FGC22501: Ancestral G, Derived A;
7) "i705532" - refers to FGC22538: Ancestral A, Derived G;
8) "i701202" - refers to Z34: Ancestral T, Derived C (I am not sure it is present);


Unfortunately 23andme is limited to check only these snp (inexplicably almost all under Z49, probably the one who set the test had a special love for the one Z49 ...)
I will tell you that if you are positive in Z49 you can perform a further check.
Let us know the result, in case of Z49 + I will send you further instructions.

Nino90
05-15-2018, 05:16 PM
Genes Marker (SNP) Genomic Position Variants Your Genotype

intergenic rs7067387 9810794 C or T T
intergenic rs7067305 14231292 A or G G
intergenic rs34173183 24405862 C or T C
intergenic i5049384 2887744 C or T C
PPP1R12BP1 i701652 28462237 G or T G
intergenic i705722 3390633 A or G G
intergenic i705532 18099238 A or G A
intergenic i701202 18405864 C or T not determined

Nino90
05-15-2018, 07:22 PM
Ciao Nino,
go to the "Raw data explore" page of the "Tools" menu and then enter these strings:


Did I get you right?

Acque agitate
05-15-2018, 09:27 PM
Did I get you right?

Ciao Nino,
You have not tested positive for any L2 subgroup tested by the new 23andme v5 chip.
Unfortunately, the product that 23andme has recently proposed to its customers is questionable ... and I use a light term because I'm not used to expiating my true feelings when they are strongly negative.
Out of 40 snp which 23andme verifies under L2, 34 snp (ie 85%) concerns the subgroup Z49. How do you comment on such an incomprehensible choice ...

Let's forget about the incomprehensible choices of 23andme ... Dear Nino90 now you have no more excuses, you have to undergo a thorough test at a company that performs its checks in a more appropriate way ... you choose when. We, the ancient inhabitants of the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines, are waiting for you ... :):amen::)

Nino90
05-16-2018, 06:17 PM
https://ytree.morleydna.com/
What do you score on this?

I got R-L2
But close to R1b-S47

Acque agitate
05-16-2018, 08:44 PM
https://ytree.morleydna.com/
What do you score on this?

I got R-L2
But close to R1b-S47

The people who belong to S47, unlike you, are L2-

Acque agitate
05-21-2018, 10:33 AM
Ciao Nino, I think you have to update the map of L2 that you have attached to your profile ... :)
In that white hole between Emilia and Tuscany located along the border between Modena and Pistoia I'm finding other L2+, Z49-, Z367- like you ...

Nino90
05-22-2018, 11:06 AM
Ciao Nino, I think you have to update the map of L2 that you have attached to your profile ... :)
In that white hole between Emilia and Tuscany located along the border between Modena and Pistoia I'm finding other L2+, Z49-, Z367- like you ...

Thanks man! R-L2 dominate.

Osiris
05-22-2018, 08:10 PM
Ha! My closest match from before modern times is from the paper 'Low-pass DNA sequencing of 1200 Sardinians reconstructs European Y-chromosome phylogeny" by Francalacci P, et al. He's from Cagliari, Sardinia (another white spot in your Italy/L2 map) and is L2 > A6454 > BY4240. I wonder how long his family has been there?

hadleyro1
06-16-2018, 10:09 PM
Could someone please advise me how I determine genetic distance between R-A14635 and R-Y146179?

rawnr
02-23-2019, 03:05 PM
Hello my R-L2 cousin. I've only very, very recently started to understand this DNA business due to some downtime. I may not have the right terminology and I will attempt to keep my info to what I know and not what I am guessing.

I started with FTdna and have stayed with them therefore I do not know about 23andMe. What I have liked about FTdan is that you can take their Big-Y test that gets you deeper into you subclades. You can then upgrade in pieces so that getting new information does not dost and arm-and-leg. I have taken the Big-y 500 that, from the R-L2 position, I have found: R-L2 > R-FGC22501 > R-Y37744 > R-BY64614 > R-BY159214

I believe their FamilyFinder tool came with it which is really nice. They have also just upgraded the site with their Big-Y Block Tree tool which has helped me understand a great deal more. Honestly it has taken me about a year to get hold of all the information and understand it but this would change per person. The Forums this gives you access too are great. Those in the forums are very helpful and I've found a couple distant cousins via the forums.

FTdna also comes with their FamilyTree Builder software that works like Ancestry.com. I have accounts with both and do see somethings coming up in one versus the other but this is not often. They use the DNA database to give you DNA clues to people in your tree. Together, I've found FTdna great (and no, I am a paying customer who is not connected with FTdna in any other way.

By the way - any one sees a match to our DNA strings at the R-FGC22501 sub-clad or deeper and you have a paternal RHODES in England, please, please contat me!

NittanyLion
05-06-2021, 08:32 PM
Hello my R-L2 cousin. I've only very, very recently started to understand this DNA business due to some downtime. I may not have the right terminology and I will attempt to keep my info to what I know and not what I am guessing.

I started with FTdna and have stayed with them therefore I do not know about 23andMe. What I have liked about FTdan is that you can take their Big-Y test that gets you deeper into you subclades. You can then upgrade in pieces so that getting new information does not dost and arm-and-leg. I have taken the Big-y 500 that, from the R-L2 position, I have found: R-L2 > R-FGC22501 > R-Y37744 > R-BY64614 > R-BY159214

I believe their FamilyFinder tool came with it which is really nice. They have also just upgraded the site with their Big-Y Block Tree tool which has helped me understand a great deal more. Honestly it has taken me about a year to get hold of all the information and understand it but this would change per person. The Forums this gives you access too are great. Those in the forums are very helpful and I've found a couple distant cousins via the forums.

FTdna also comes with their FamilyTree Builder software that works like Ancestry.com. I have accounts with both and do see somethings coming up in one versus the other but this is not often. They use the DNA database to give you DNA clues to people in your tree. Together, I've found FTdna great (and no, I am a paying customer who is not connected with FTdna in any other way.

By the way - any one sees a match to our DNA strings at the R-FGC22501 sub-clad or deeper and you have a paternal RHODES in England, please, please contat me!

Hello @rawnr,

I'm R-BY64614, also, but lack the privileges to send you a message directly. I'd be curious to learn more.