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Barghest
04-19-2018, 11:10 PM
1 North_Sea 47.49
2 Atlantic 22.83
3 West_Med 10.09
4 Baltic 8.06
5 Eastern_Euro 5.32
6 West_Asian 3.93
7 Southeast_Asian 1.12
8 Northeast_African 0.6
9 Amerindian 0.2
10 Sub-Saharan 0.19
11 Siberian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Norwegian 8.44
2 Orcadian 9.38
3 Norwegian 10.43
4 North_Dutch 11.02
5 Swedish 11.74
6 West_Scottish 11.99
7 Southwest_English 12.22
8 Danish 12.41
9 Southeast_English 12.55
10 Irish 12.61
11 West_German 13.25
12 North_German 14.99
13 North_Swedish 15.76
14 South_Dutch 16.42
15 French 18.5
16 East_German 21.17
17 Southwest_Finnish 23.07
18 Hungarian 24.72
19 Finnish 24.98
20 Spanish_Galicia 24.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.1% West_Norwegian + 29.9% Orcadian - 8.22
2 97.6% West_Norwegian + 2.4% Sardinian - 8.35
3 96.3% West_Norwegian + 3.7% Spanish_Galicia - 8.39
4 97.4% West_Norwegian + 2.6% Portuguese - 8.41
5 94.3% West_Norwegian + 5.7% Southwest_English - 8.42
6 95.9% West_Norwegian + 4.1% West_German - 8.43
7 98.4% West_Norwegian + 1.6% Spanish_Extremadura - 8.43
8 97.6% West_Norwegian + 2.4% French - 8.43
9 98.6% West_Norwegian + 1.4% Spanish_Cantabria - 8.43
10 98.7% West_Norwegian + 1.3% Spanish_Murcia - 8.43
11 98.8% West_Norwegian + 1.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 8.43
12 98.9% West_Norwegian + 1.1% Spanish_Cataluna - 8.43
13 99.4% West_Norwegian + 0.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha - 8.44
14 99.5% West_Norwegian + 0.5% Spanish_Aragon - 8.44
15 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Dai - 8.44
16 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Vietnamese - 8.44
17 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% She - 8.44
18 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Miaozu - 8.44
19 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Lahu - 8.44
20 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Moroccan - 8.44

It's really only K15. EU/Jtest is like 6.33 or something. K13 closer & other oracles are closer still.

Poor references? Isolation? Or as not border-straddling (/likely 'Anglicized') Welsh? Not just me, relatives get from 7 to 9.



Compare > SE Welsh friend with Somerset/Southampton ancestry

1 North_Sea 40.87
2 Atlantic 24.65
3 West_Med 8.9
4 Baltic 8.17
5 Eastern_Euro 6.33
6 West_Asian 5.48
7 Amerindian 1.38
8 Northeast_African 1.25
9 South_Asian 1.01
10 Southeast_Asian 0.83
11 Siberian 0.68
12 Sub-Saharan 0.32
13 Oceanian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 5.15
2 North_Dutch 6.66
3 West_Norwegian 6.83
4 Southwest_English 7.44
5 West_Scottish 7.48
6 Norwegian 7.58
7 Southeast_English 7.64
8 Danish 7.81
9 Irish 7.86
10 West_German 9.14
11 Swedish 9.15
12 North_German 9.8
13 South_Dutch 11.23
14 North_Swedish 12.81
15 French 14.04
16 East_German 16.64
17 Southwest_Finnish 19.2
18 Hungarian 20.53
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.28
20 Austrian 21.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.6% Orcadian + 21.4% West_German - 4.68
2 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Ossetian - 4.77
3 96% Orcadian + 4% Tabassaran - 4.78
4 97% Orcadian + 3% Abhkasian - 4.79
5 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Balkar - 4.8
6 96.9% Orcadian + 3.1% Georgian - 4.8
7 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% North_Amerindian - 4.81
8 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Kumyk - 4.81
9 96.7% Orcadian + 3.3% North_Ossetian - 4.81
10 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Chechen - 4.82
11 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Afghan_Tadjik - 4.82
12 96% Orcadian + 4% Nogay - 4.82
13 98.4% Orcadian + 1.6% Mayan - 4.83
14 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Pima - 4.84
15 96.6% Orcadian + 3.4% Kabardin - 4.84
16 96.5% Orcadian + 3.5% Lezgin - 4.84
17 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Anzick-1 - 4.84
18 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Karitiana - 4.85
19 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% Adygei - 4.85
20 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% East_Greenlander - 4.86

Helves
04-20-2018, 12:26 AM
This is relatively common I would say. Here's a south Swede with very similar results to yours, but lower Med and more Baltic/East Euro. Btw your North Sea is one of the highest I've seen.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 47.87
2 Atlantic 21.25
3 Eastern_Euro 12.17
4 Baltic 12.06
5 West_Med 3.01
6 South_Asian 1.21
7 Siberian 0.97
8 Amerindian 0.87
9 Oceanian 0.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Norwegian 6.59
2 Norwegian 8.17
3 Swedish 8.69
4 North_Swedish 10.68
5 North_Dutch 11.56
6 Orcadian 11.89
7 Danish 12.07
8 West_Scottish 13.17
9 Irish 14.04
10 Southeast_English 14.84
11 North_German 15.04
12 Southwest_English 15.64
13 West_German 16.02
14 Southwest_Finnish 18.39
15 South_Dutch 18.91
16 Finnish 19.74
17 East_German 20.69
18 French 22.73
19 Hungarian 23.83
20 East_Finnish 24.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Abhkasian @ 6.59
2 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Adygei @ 6.59
3 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 6.59
4 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.59
5 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 6.59
6 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.59
7 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 6.59
8 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Algerian @ 6.59
9 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.59
10 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Altaian @ 6.59
11 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Anzick-1 @ 6.59
12 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Armenian @ 6.59
13 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Ashkenazi @ 6.59
14 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Assyrian @ 6.59
15 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Austrian @ 6.59
16 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 6.59
17 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Azeri @ 6.59
18 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Balkar @ 6.59
19 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Balochi @ 6.59
20 100% West_Norwegian + 0% Bangladeshi @ 6.59

Jessie
05-16-2018, 07:24 AM
1 North_Sea 47.49
2 Atlantic 22.83
3 West_Med 10.09
4 Baltic 8.06
5 Eastern_Euro 5.32
6 West_Asian 3.93
7 Southeast_Asian 1.12
8 Northeast_African 0.6
9 Amerindian 0.2
10 Sub-Saharan 0.19
11 Siberian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Norwegian 8.44
2 Orcadian 9.38
3 Norwegian 10.43
4 North_Dutch 11.02
5 Swedish 11.74
6 West_Scottish 11.99
7 Southwest_English 12.22
8 Danish 12.41
9 Southeast_English 12.55
10 Irish 12.61
11 West_German 13.25
12 North_German 14.99
13 North_Swedish 15.76
14 South_Dutch 16.42
15 French 18.5
16 East_German 21.17
17 Southwest_Finnish 23.07
18 Hungarian 24.72
19 Finnish 24.98
20 Spanish_Galicia 24.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.1% West_Norwegian + 29.9% Orcadian - 8.22
2 97.6% West_Norwegian + 2.4% Sardinian - 8.35
3 96.3% West_Norwegian + 3.7% Spanish_Galicia - 8.39
4 97.4% West_Norwegian + 2.6% Portuguese - 8.41
5 94.3% West_Norwegian + 5.7% Southwest_English - 8.42
6 95.9% West_Norwegian + 4.1% West_German - 8.43
7 98.4% West_Norwegian + 1.6% Spanish_Extremadura - 8.43
8 97.6% West_Norwegian + 2.4% French - 8.43
9 98.6% West_Norwegian + 1.4% Spanish_Cantabria - 8.43
10 98.7% West_Norwegian + 1.3% Spanish_Murcia - 8.43
11 98.8% West_Norwegian + 1.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon - 8.43
12 98.9% West_Norwegian + 1.1% Spanish_Cataluna - 8.43
13 99.4% West_Norwegian + 0.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha - 8.44
14 99.5% West_Norwegian + 0.5% Spanish_Aragon - 8.44
15 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Dai - 8.44
16 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Vietnamese - 8.44
17 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% She - 8.44
18 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Miaozu - 8.44
19 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Lahu - 8.44
20 99.9% West_Norwegian + 0.1% Moroccan - 8.44

It's really only K15. EU/Jtest is like 6.33 or something. K13 closer & other oracles are closer still.

Poor references? Isolation? Or as not border-straddling (/likely 'Anglicized') Welsh? Not just me, relatives get from 7 to 9.



Compare > SE Welsh friend with Somerset/Southampton ancestry

1 North_Sea 40.87
2 Atlantic 24.65
3 West_Med 8.9
4 Baltic 8.17
5 Eastern_Euro 6.33
6 West_Asian 5.48
7 Amerindian 1.38
8 Northeast_African 1.25
9 South_Asian 1.01
10 Southeast_Asian 0.83
11 Siberian 0.68
12 Sub-Saharan 0.32
13 Oceanian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 5.15
2 North_Dutch 6.66
3 West_Norwegian 6.83
4 Southwest_English 7.44
5 West_Scottish 7.48
6 Norwegian 7.58
7 Southeast_English 7.64
8 Danish 7.81
9 Irish 7.86
10 West_German 9.14
11 Swedish 9.15
12 North_German 9.8
13 South_Dutch 11.23
14 North_Swedish 12.81
15 French 14.04
16 East_German 16.64
17 Southwest_Finnish 19.2
18 Hungarian 20.53
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.28
20 Austrian 21.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.6% Orcadian + 21.4% West_German - 4.68
2 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Ossetian - 4.77
3 96% Orcadian + 4% Tabassaran - 4.78
4 97% Orcadian + 3% Abhkasian - 4.79
5 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Balkar - 4.8
6 96.9% Orcadian + 3.1% Georgian - 4.8
7 98.1% Orcadian + 1.9% North_Amerindian - 4.81
8 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Kumyk - 4.81
9 96.7% Orcadian + 3.3% North_Ossetian - 4.81
10 96.4% Orcadian + 3.6% Chechen - 4.82
11 96.3% Orcadian + 3.7% Afghan_Tadjik - 4.82
12 96% Orcadian + 4% Nogay - 4.82
13 98.4% Orcadian + 1.6% Mayan - 4.83
14 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Pima - 4.84
15 96.6% Orcadian + 3.4% Kabardin - 4.84
16 96.5% Orcadian + 3.5% Lezgin - 4.84
17 98.5% Orcadian + 1.5% Anzick-1 - 4.84
18 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Karitiana - 4.85
19 96.8% Orcadian + 3.2% Adygei - 4.85
20 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% East_Greenlander - 4.86

Your North Sea is extremely high. Is this result from Gedmatch Genesis?

Vestri
05-16-2018, 03:48 PM
You're Welsh?

I'd have thought your Atlantic be much higher and North sea lower? Figured North Sea was more Eastern England, Dutch, North Germany to Denmark with Atlantic being more dominant in the Celtic populations?


You've certainly beat mine for a Eastern English chap.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 44.37
2 Atlantic 20.62
3 Baltic 9.30
4 West_Med 8.87
5 Eastern_Euro 7.96
6 West_Asian 4.80
7 Red_Sea 1.32

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Norwegian @ 6.991489
2 Norwegian @ 8.505827
3 Swedish @ 9.854544
4 Orcadian @ 9.973078
5 North_Dutch @ 10.244491
6 Danish @ 11.801214
7 West_German @ 12.168098
8 West_Scottish @ 12.536422
9 Southwest_English @ 12.748678
10 Southeast_English @ 13.081049
11 Irish @ 13.225149
12 North_Swedish @ 14.028803
13 North_German @ 14.405421
14 South_Dutch @ 16.505640
15 French @ 19.422310
16 East_German @ 20.700243
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 22.526068
18 Finnish @ 24.372377
19 Hungarian @ 24.566914
20 Austrian @ 26.956324

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Norwegian +50% West_Norwegian @ 6.991489


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian @ 6.991489


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++
1 West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.696671
2 West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 6.991489
3 Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.141275
4 Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.187591
5 Norwegian + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.189855
6 Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.271047
7 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.410765
8 Swedish + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.424678
9 Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.438073
10 North_Dutch + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.471003
11 Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.504483
12 Orcadian + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.546383
13 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.623817
14 North_Dutch + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.629523
15 Norwegian + Orcadian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 7.638764
16 French + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.734979
17 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 7.737217
18 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Norwegian @ 7.747659
19 West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.751675
20 Southeast_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.757240

msmarjoribanks
05-16-2018, 05:02 PM
If you are Welsh, K13 has no Welsh pool in the spreadsheet, so that might be an issue (Wales isn't that well sampled in general, I believe). But the bigger issue seems to be just that you have an unusually high amount of North Sea given your background so probably don't fit any of the pools very closely.

My dad is roughly a quarter Welsh, rest mostly SE England and Shropshire (smattering of German, French, Dutch, but quite far back) and on K15 gets:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 33.44
2 Atlantic 29.81
3 West_Med 11.27
4 Eastern_Euro 9.34
5 Baltic 9.07
6 West_Asian 4.95

That gives him:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 3.11
2 Southeast_English 4.22
3 Irish 5.52
4 South_Dutch 5.63
5 West_Scottish 5.87

Amerijoe
05-16-2018, 06:06 PM
Livingdna has me at 1.6% for South Wales. MDLP World -22 brings it out.

Eurogenes K13

1 North_Atlantic 54.25
2 Baltic 19.49
3 West_Med 11.54
4 West_Asian 7.13
5 East_Med 3.54
6 South_Asian 2.07

1 West_Scottish 4.35
2 Irish 5.09
3 Southwest_English 5.1
4 Orcadian 5.73
5 Southeast_English 5.98
6 North_Dutch 7.27
7 Danish 7.48
8 Norwegian 9.04
9 North_German 9.44
10 South_Dutch 10.19

1 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Armenian @ 3.98
2 97.2% West_Scottish + 2.8% Kurdish @ 3.99
3 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Iranian_Jewish @ 4
4 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4
5 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.01
6 97.5% West_Scottish + 2.5% Makrani @ 4.01
7 97.1% West_Scottish + 2.9% Azeri @ 4.02
8 96.6% West_Scottish + 3.4% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.02
9 97.4% West_Scottish + 2.6% Assyrian @ 4.02
10 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% Iranian @ 4.02

Eurogenes K15

1 North_Sea 38.38
2 Atlantic 31.41
3 Eastern_Euro 10.71
4 West_Med 6.94
5 Baltic 4.79
6 West_Asian 3.31
7 East_Med 2.14
8 South_Asian 1.69


# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 4.93
2 West_Scottish 5.48
3 Southeast_English 6
4 Irish 6.47
5 Danish 6.99
6 Southwest_English 7.18
7 North_Dutch 7.86
8 North_German 9.69
9 West_Norwegian 9.9
10 Norwegian 10.34

1 94.6% Orcadian + 5.4% French_Basque @ 4.67
2 94.8% Orcadian + 5.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.76
3 94.9% Orcadian + 5.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.76
4 95.2% Orcadian + 4.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.78
5 95.1% Orcadian + 4.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.79
6 95.9% Orcadian + 4.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.8
7 95.7% Orcadian + 4.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.82
8 95.8% Orcadian + 4.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.83
9 96.2% Orcadian + 3.8% Southwest_French @ 4.84
10 95.8% Orcadian + 4.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.85

MDLP World-22

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 45.66
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 34.09
3 West-Asian 9.77
4 North-European-Mesolithic 4.12
5 Indo-Iranian 2.24
6 Near_East 2.04
7 Samoedic 1.23

1 German_V (derived) 4.57
2 Austrian (derived) 5.43
3 German-South (derived) 5.56
4 CEU_V (derived) 6.04
5 CEU (derived) 6.12
6 Serbian (derived) 6.63
7 British (derived) 6.75
8 Welsh (derived) 6.87

1 87.5% Welsh (derived) + 12.5% Adygei (derived) @ 1.72
2 88.3% Welsh (derived) + 11.7% Georgian (derived) @ 1.81
3 87.5% Welsh (derived) + 12.5% Kumyk (derived) @ 1.82
4 88.1% Welsh (derived) + 11.9% Chechen (derived) @ 1.88
5 87.3% Welsh (derived) + 12.7% Balkarian (derived) @ 1.89

Phoebe Watts
05-16-2018, 07:23 PM
It's really only K15. EU/Jtest is like 6.33 or something. K13 closer & other oracles are closer still.

Poor references? Isolation? Or as not border-straddling (/likely 'Anglicized') Welsh? Not just me, relatives get from 7 to 9.



I'm thinking that this doesn't really look like a typical Welsh result from a standard test. So it would be interesting to know where the tests are from and whether they are Gedmatch or Genesis.

I have Welsh ancestry, half North and half South, with one Flintshire greatgrandfather who had some English ancestry in the 1700s. So not very mixed and not very close to the border

My Ancestry test on Eurogenes K15 on GEDmatch gives me 33% North Sea and 28% Atlantic. On Genesis this kit gives a very similar result. My Living DNA kit is slightly different at 36% North Sea and 27% Atlantic. On this kit my distances start at 5.07. Like Barghest I get West Norwegian at a distance of about 8 - but that is only my 12th closest population.

Jessie
05-17-2018, 01:11 PM
I'm thinking that this doesn't really look like a typical Welsh result from a standard test. So it would be interesting to know where the tests are from and whether they are Gedmatch or Genesis.

I have Welsh ancestry, half North and half South, with one Flintshire greatgrandfather who had some English ancestry in the 1700s. So not very mixed and not very close to the border

My Ancestry test on Eurogenes K15 on GEDmatch gives me 33% North Sea and 28% Atlantic. On Genesis this kit gives a very similar result. My Living DNA kit is slightly different at 36% North Sea and 27% Atlantic. On this kit my distances start at 5.07. Like Barghest I get West Norwegian at a distance of about 8 - but that is only my 12th closest population.

I think he is distant to most populations because of his very high North Sea. His first population is at 8.44 which is not close for a first population match. West Norwegian is 1st because that is where North Sea peaks but his North Sea is higher than the North Sea average for Norwegian so he's not matching any populations too closely.

I was also wondering if this result was from Genesis because that gives me an inflated North Sea score compared to normal Gedmatch.

Phoebe Watts
05-18-2018, 09:50 AM
I think he is distant to most populations because of his very high North Sea. His first population is at 8.44 which is not close for a first population match. West Norwegian is 1st because that is where North Sea peaks but his North Sea is higher than the North Sea average for Norwegian so he's not matching any populations too closely.

I was also wondering if this result was from Genesis because that gives me an inflated North Sea score compared to normal Gedmatch.

Yes, I agree. I was just wondering why that might be. I saw that Genesis gave you a different result while my results are more affected by the source of the test (Ancestry and LDNA).

As there isn't a Welsh population in the calculator I wasn't expecting a close match to any population. But I'm still getting a closest distance of 5.07; my father's kit has a closest distance of 3.25.

Jessie
05-18-2018, 02:32 PM
Yes, I agree. I was just wondering why that might be. I saw that Genesis gave you a different result while my results are more affected by the source of the test (Ancestry and LDNA).

As there isn't a Welsh population in the calculator I wasn't expecting a close match to any population. But I'm still getting a closest distance of 5.07; my father's kit has a closest distance of 3.25.

This is my result on the Eurogenes K15. Possibly the distance for you is due to no Welsh sample.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.10


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.425280
2 West_Scottish @ 3.557808
3 North_Dutch @ 4.181393
4 Danish @ 4.453959
5 Orcadian @ 5.505360
6 Southeast_English @ 5.676529
7 North_German @ 5.882824
8 Southwest_English @ 7.466283
9 Norwegian @ 8.417722
10 West_Norwegian @ 8.735489
11 Swedish @ 9.296607
12 South_Dutch @ 11.184519
13 West_German @ 12.499153
14 North_Swedish @ 12.662151
15 East_German @ 16.492691
16 French @ 16.524723
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.903034
18 Austrian @ 21.142027
19 Finnish @ 21.647963
20 Hungarian @ 21.914810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.203073


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 3.143203


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.125094
2 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.128713
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.143203
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.144938
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.150105
6 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.159487
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.182833
8 North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.183386
9 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.193700
10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.195021
11 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.202463
12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 3.203073
13 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.235043
14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.235556
15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.238354
16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.248949
17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.252259
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.254036
19 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.259177
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.268316

Jessie
05-18-2018, 02:40 PM
This is my result on the Eurogenes K15. Possibly the distance for you is due to no Welsh sample.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 37.04
2 Atlantic 29.88
3 Baltic 11.89
4 Eastern_Euro 8.75
5 West_Asian 5.16
6 West_Med 4.95
7 Amerindian 1.15
8 Red_Sea 1.10


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.425280
2 West_Scottish @ 3.557808
3 North_Dutch @ 4.181393
4 Danish @ 4.453959
5 Orcadian @ 5.505360
6 Southeast_English @ 5.676529
7 North_German @ 5.882824
8 Southwest_English @ 7.466283
9 Norwegian @ 8.417722
10 West_Norwegian @ 8.735489
11 Swedish @ 9.296607
12 South_Dutch @ 11.184519
13 West_German @ 12.499153
14 North_Swedish @ 12.662151
15 East_German @ 16.492691
16 French @ 16.524723
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.903034
18 Austrian @ 21.142027
19 Finnish @ 21.647963
20 Hungarian @ 21.914810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% North_Dutch @ 3.203073


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 3.143203


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.125094
2 North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.128713
3 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.143203
4 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.144938
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.150105
6 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 3.159487
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.182833
8 North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.183386
9 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.193700
10 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.195021
11 North_German + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.202463
12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 3.203073
13 Danish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.235043
14 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.235556
15 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.238354
16 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 3.248949
17 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_German @ 3.252259
18 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 3.254036
19 Irish + North_Dutch + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.259177
20 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.268316

This is my K13. Not sure how your's compares Phoebe?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 51.64
2 Baltic 25.42
3 West_Med 10.03
4 West_Asian 7.24
5 East_Med 1.80
6 Red_Sea 1.60
7 Amerindian 1.32


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 3.024094
2 Irish @ 3.352955
3 Norwegian @ 3.865149
4 Danish @ 4.044958
5 West_Scottish @ 4.096340
6 Orcadian @ 4.098297
7 North_German @ 5.805315
8 Southeast_English @ 6.675095
9 Southwest_English @ 6.802501
10 Swedish @ 7.043691
11 South_Dutch @ 11.287178
12 West_German @ 12.315365
13 North_Swedish @ 14.211594
14 Austrian @ 17.099129
15 East_German @ 17.236202
16 French @ 17.781063
17 Hungarian @ 22.119713
18 Southwest_Finnish @ 23.572611
19 Spanish_Cataluna @ 26.059549
20 Southwest_French @ 27.064093

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Norwegian @ 2.341823


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% North_Dutch +25% Norwegian @ 2.326563


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.326563
2 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.341823
3 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.382314
4 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.393314
5 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.397476
6 North_German + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.399384
7 Irish + Irish + North_German + Norwegian @ 2.441737
8 Danish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.461504
9 Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian @ 2.489578
10 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.493257
11 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.496669
12 North_Dutch + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.521944
13 Danish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.536041
14 Irish + Irish + Irish + Swedish @ 2.542067
15 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch @ 2.545467
16 Irish + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 2.552356
17 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.554510
18 Irish + Irish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.555874
19 Irish + North_Dutch + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 2.569793
20 Irish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 2.575061

Nino90
05-18-2018, 02:55 PM
You don't look mixed at all.

I am mixed(Most Swedish and Rest north italian)

Look at mine - Still similar to yours - Bigger distant tho':


1 Norwegian @ 9.445235
2 West_German @ 9.720567
3 West_Norwegian @ 9.935970
4 Swedish @ 10.136786
5 North_Dutch @ 10.375940
6 Southwest_English @ 11.135642
7 Orcadian @ 11.608908
8 Danish @ 12.083697
9 Southeast_English @ 12.405042
10 West_Scottish @ 13.036738
11 North_German @ 13.066363
12 Irish @ 13.067765
13 North_Swedish @ 13.443886
14 South_Dutch @ 13.451473
15 French @ 15.817009
16 East_German @ 16.503593
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 19.745737
18 Hungarian @ 20.370359
19 Finnish @ 21.517561
20 Spanish_Galicia @ 22.823479

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +50% West_Norwegian @ 7.625917


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian @ 7.625917


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.548023
2 Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.553102
3 West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.625917
4 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.645342
5 Norwegian + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 7.727461
6 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 7.757248
7 Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + Swedish + West_Norwegian @ 7.757571
8 Swedish + West_German + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 7.761200
9 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian @ 7.825676
10 Norwegian + Norwegian + West_German + West_German @ 7.909246
11 Norwegian + Swedish + West_German + West_German @ 7.966638
12 French + West_German + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 7.986482
13 North_Swedish + Spanish_Galicia + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.018210
14 Portuguese + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.020242
15 Portuguese + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.029928
16 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 8.038695
17 French + Swedish + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 8.039009
18 Southwest_English + Swedish + West_German + West_Norwegian @ 8.053630
19 Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish + Swedish @ 8.064687
20 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia @ 8.076930

Capitalis
05-19-2018, 11:25 AM
I checked my family for you, ranked from most (~31%) to least (0%) Welsh ancestry.

Higher North Sea seems to correlate with higher Welsh ancestry, at least for me.

Paternal Gran
37 N Sea
25 Atl
N Dutch @ 4.64

Father
36 N Sea
23 Atl
N Dutch @ 5.67

Me
35 N Sea
28 Atl
SE Eng @ 4.82

Mother
34 N Sea
31 Atl
SE Eng @ 2.66

Phoebe Watts
05-19-2018, 01:24 PM
This is my K13. Not sure how your's compares Phoebe?


Sorry Jessie, missed your request.

This is Ancestry and GEDmatch - I'll post the Oracles rather than the Oracle 4s since I'm not mixed.

I look mostly Irish in
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 46.81
2 Baltic 25.29
3 West_Med 13.44
4 West_Asian 8.72
5 Red_Sea 3.05
6 South_Asian 1.72
7 Siberian 0.57
8 Amerindian 0.2
9 Oceanian 0.18
10 East_Med 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.55
2 North_Dutch 5.86
3 Irish 5.98
4 Orcadian 6.27
5 Danish 6.33
6 West_Scottish 7
7 Norwegian 7.1
8 Southwest_English 7.17
9 Southeast_English 7.41
10 Swedish 7.82
11 South_Dutch 7.94
12 West_German 8.89
13 Austrian 11.84
14 East_German 12.02
15 North_Swedish 12.93
16 French 13.4
17 Hungarian 16.47
18 Southwest_Finnish 20.2
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.87
20 Croatian 21.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83% Irish + 17% Moldavian @ 3.83


But there is a lot of German here as well as Irish and Scottish :
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 32.86
2 Atlantic 28
3 Eastern_Euro 11.28
4 Baltic 10.77
5 West_Med 7.63
6 West_Asian 6.18
7 Red_Sea 2.23
8 South_Asian 1.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 4.02
2 Danish 5.02
3 Southeast_English 5.43
4 North_Dutch 5.58
5 Irish 5.63
6 Southwest_English 5.78
7 West_Scottish 5.87
8 South_Dutch 6.27
9 Orcadian 7.36
10 Norwegian 8.5
11 West_German 8.81
12 Swedish 9.43
13 West_Norwegian 9.87
14 East_German 10.71
15 North_Swedish 10.77
16 French 11.23
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.09
18 Austrian 14.55
19 Hungarian 15.72
20 Finnish 17.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.8% North_German + 29.2% Southwest_English @ 3.55
2 82% West_Scottish + 18% Moldavian @ 3.66
3 68.7% West_Scottish + 31.3% East_German @ 3.66
4 68.9% Orcadian + 31.1% Austrian @ 3.72
5 91% West_Scottish + 9% Chechen @ 3.72
6 91.2% West_Scottish + 8.8% Kabardin @ 3.73
7 73.4% North_German + 26.6% Southeast_English @ 3.76
8 95.1% North_German + 4.9% French_Basque @ 3.76
9 78.2% North_German + 21.8% South_Dutch @ 3.76
10 82.1% North_German + 17.9% Orcadian @ 3.77
11 91.4% West_Scottish + 8.6% Balkar @ 3.78
12 91.5% Irish + 8.5% Lezgin @ 3.78
13 91.2% Irish + 8.8% Tabassaran @ 3.78
14 81.1% West_Scottish + 18.9% Croatian @ 3.79
15 91% West_Scottish + 9% Lezgin @ 3.79
16 91.7% Irish + 8.3% Chechen @ 3.8
17 94.2% North_German + 5.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.8
18 78% North_German + 22% West_Scottish @ 3.81
19 91.7% West_Scottish + 8.3% Adygei @ 3.83
20 89.9% North_German + 10.1% French @ 3.84

Barghest
06-01-2018, 03:15 AM
Your North Sea is extremely high. Is this result from Gedmatch Genesis?

Nope. Exact kit & same kit below.

K13
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 55.11
2 Baltic 21.83
3 West_Med 14.02
4 West_Asian 6.57
5 East_Asian 1.56
6 Amerindian 0.43
7 Northeast_African 0.38
8 Siberian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 3.82
2 Irish 4.26
3 Southwest_English 4.47
4 Orcadian 5.32
5 Southeast_English 6.61
6 North_Dutch 7.17
7 Danish 7.91
8 Norwegian 8.2
9 North_German 10.04
10 Swedish 11.18
11 South_Dutch 11.44
12 West_German 12.88
13 French 15.71
14 North_Swedish 17.54
15 Austrian 18.61
16 East_German 18.89
17 Spanish_Cataluna 21.62
18 Southwest_French 21.93
19 Spanish_Cantabria 22.55
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 22.7

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93% West_Scottish + 7% French_Basque 3.33
2 91.4% Irish + 8.6% French_Basque 3.57
3 75.3% West_Scottish + 24.7% Southwest_English 3.73
4 99.4% West_Scottish + 0.6% Dai 3.76
5 99.4% West_Scottish + 0.6% She 3.77
6 99.4% West_Scottish + 0.6% Vietnamese 3.77
7 99.4% West_Scottish + 0.6% Miaozu 3.78
8 99.4% West_Scottish + 0.6% Tujia 3.78
9 99.5% West_Scottish + 0.5% Lahu 3.78
10 97.8% West_Scottish + 2.2% Spanish_Aragon 3.78
11 98% West_Scottish + 2% Southwest_French 3.8
12 99.6% West_Scottish + 0.4% Cambodian 3.8
13 99.6% West_Scottish + 0.4% Yizu 3.81
14 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Spanish_Cantabria 3.81
15 99.6% West_Scottish + 0.4% Naxi 3.81
16 99.7% West_Scottish + 0.3% Malay 3.81
17 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 3.81
18 99.7% West_Scottish + 0.3% Japanese 3.81
19 99.7% West_Scottish + 0.3% Tu 3.81
20 99.3% West_Scottish + 0.7% Spanish_Andalucia 3.82

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish 4.211696

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish 4.211696

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish 4.132919
2 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish 4.211696
3 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish 4.219984
4 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish 4.264030
5 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish 4.295988
6 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish 4.337911



I'm thinking that this doesn't really look like a typical Welsh result from a standard test. So it would be interesting to know where the tests are from and whether they are Gedmatch or Genesis.

I have Welsh ancestry, half North and half South, with one Flintshire great-grandfather who had some English ancestry in the 1700s. So not very mixed and not very close to the border

My Ancestry test on Eurogenes K15 on GEDmatch gives me 33% North Sea and 28% Atlantic. On Genesis this kit gives a very similar result. My Living DNA kit is slightly different at 36% North Sea and 27% Atlantic. On this kit my distances start at 5.07. Like Barghest I get West Norwegian at a distance of about 8 - but that is only my 12th closest population.

:\ No offense, Flintshire is close to the border. It's on the border & attracted trade/English for centuries.

msmarjoribanks
06-01-2018, 12:30 PM
K15 seems to split North Atlantic into North Sea and Atlantic.

Looking at the spreadsheets (shown below), I see a couple of things:

Whatever North Sea and Atlantic are in the K15 breakdown, one of them (the North Sea?) seems to include part of what is placed in Baltic in the K13, as the Baltic amounts are consistently lower in K15.

In K13, the highest North Atlantic results is actually the French Basque, but it has very low Baltic. The next highest North Atlantic tends to be the Celtic fringe groups, with Baltic in the low to mid 20s. Scandinavians are also high (just about the same for the Norwegians) but have higher Baltic (high 20s to mid 30s). The Southern English are slightly lower (but not much different) from the Irish and Scottish, but have slightly lower N Atl AND Baltic, probably because they have a bit more mixture from other things (like West Med).

When the K15 test breaks N Atl apart into North Sea and Atlantic and adds in Baltic in some way, the results are as follows:

Highest North Sea results are for the Scandinavian groups (and the Orkney, which makes sense): high 30s to low 40s. The Scandinavians get Atlantic in the low to mid 20s, but for Orkney, which gets high 20s.

Next highest North Sea are Irish/Scottish, with mid to high 30s, and Atlantic around 30%.

The Southern English groups are a bit (but not much) lower in both: mid 30s for North Sea, high 20s in Atlantic.

The Basque group's high North Atlantic in K13 seems to all go into Atlantic (which they are the highest in -- mid 40s).

As background for this, some results from the spreadsheet (North Sea/Atl/Baltic from K15; N Atl/Baltic from K13):

Irish: 36.38/30.66/11.15; 52.23/24.02
W Scottish: 37.33/30.46/10.34; 53.18/23.35
SE English: 35.52/29.86/9.89; 50.52/23.27
SW English: 35.22/28.94/9.69; 51.98/22.10
Orcadian: 39.61/29.01/8.51; 51.14/24.44

N Swedish: 36.66/21.00/15.78; 44.52/36.30
Swedish: 39.32/22.58/15.55; 48.53/31.09
W Norwegian: 42.41/24.22/12.26; doesn't have
Norwegian: 39.73/23.47/13.26; 51.14/28.61

French Basque: 16.85/45.40/4.79; 56.62/6.10

msmarjoribanks
06-01-2018, 12:52 PM
On K13, Barghest has very high North Atlantic and Baltic around 22, so looks pretty much like the Irish and Scottish (and even English) results: Baltic is a bit lower, same as the English ones, but North Atlantic is even higher than the Irish and Scottish results (almost as high as the Basque). Would be interesting if that's a typical Welsh pattern, but of course we don't really have the sampling or know how these spreadsheets compare, and there's no Welsh category.

When the categories get changed around for K15, it's interesting how Barghest's break out: very strongly North Sea (47) vs. Atlantic (22) and still low Baltic (8). That doesn't look like any of the groups -- the Basque have the low Baltic (much lower), but also low North Sea, and very high Atlantic. The Scandinavian groups are high North Sea, but not as high, and of course higher Baltic. The Irish/Scottish groups are much lower in North Sea, higher in Atlantic, same with the English (who have closer Baltic numbers).

The closest is maybe Orkney, but still much lower North Sea, higher Atlantic.

Whatever the North Sea category reflects, it seems to peak in West Norway and then Scandinavia more generally. Phoebe's results seem more like what would make sense for Wales, although it would be nice to have it included in the spreadsheet (and more sampling generally).

Capitalis
06-01-2018, 01:59 PM
Barghest, if you would post your results for MDLP K16 for my own interest that would be great.

Barghest
06-01-2018, 05:35 PM
Barghest, if you would post your results for MDLP K16 for my own interest that would be great.

# Population (source) Distance
1 English (Cornwall) 2.34
2 English (Kent) 2.63
3 Irish (Connacht) 3.09
4 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 3.2
5 Irish (Ulster) 3.27
6 Scottish (Highlands) 3.7
7 Irish (Leinster) 3.75
8 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 3.76
9 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 3.78
10 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 3.84
11 Scottish (Grampian) 3.98
12 English (England) 4.08
13 Irish (Munster) 4.14
14 French (WestFrance) 4.15
15 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 4.49
16 Scottish (Fife) 4.69
17 Scottish (Borders) 4.85
18 French (France) 5.74
19 Norwegian (Norwegia) 5.79
20 Icelandic (Iceland) 6.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.3% English (Kent) + 40.7% Scottish (Argyll_bute) 2.13
2 73.3% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 26.7% French (France) 2.15
3 91.9% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 8.1% Sardinian (Sardinia) 2.23
4 97% English (Cornwall) + 3% Basque (France) 2.29
5 67.1% English (Cornwall) + 2.9% English (Kent) 2.3
6 75% English (Kent) + 25% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 2.32
7 63.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 36.7% French (France) 2.33
8 96.7% English (Cornwall) + 3.3% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) 2.34
9 83.7% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 16.3% Spanish (Aragon) 2.36
10 71% English (Kent) + 29% Irish (Cork_Kerry) 2.38
11 93.6% English (Cornwall) + 6.4% French (France) 2.41
12 97.7% English (Cornwall) + 2.3% Spanish (Aragon) 2.41
13 89.7% English (Cornwall) + 10.3% Scottish (Argyll_bute) 2.41
14 98.4% English (Cornwall) + 1.6% Chechen (Chechnya) 2.42
15 94.8% English (Cornwall) + 5.2% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 2.43
16 99.6% English (Cornwall) + 0.4% Sardinian (Sardinia) 2.43
17 98.1% English (Cornwall) + 1.9% Ava (Dagestan_Khunzakh) 2.43
18 100% English (Cornwall) + 0% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) 2.44
19 100% English (Cornwall) + 0% Abkhazian (Gudauta) 2.44
20 100% English (Cornwall) + 0% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) 2.44

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent +50% Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.457870

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent +25% Irish_Cork_Kerry +25% Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.323894

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English_Kent + French_France + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.246422
2 English_Cornwall + French_France + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.298170
3 English_Cornwall + English_Kent + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.323894
4 English_Cornwall + English_Kent + English_Kent + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.324644
5 English_Cornwall + English_Cornwall + English_Kent + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.329927
6 English_Kent + French_France + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.331040
7 English_Cornwall + French_France + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.369364
8 French_France + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.376686
9 English_Cornwall + English_Kent + Irish_Connacht + Scottish_Argyll_bute 2.396242