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SlytherclawRavenpuff
04-26-2018, 08:37 PM
im trying to figure out where it came from for my dad. My dad is romaniote jewish his family has been in greece for at least centuries although there are some branches that could have come from italy. he got 28% southern european the most being italian and broadly southern european around 8% ashkenazi (was not expecting that high) he is 12 % North African and 40% middle eastern as well as a bit of broadly MENA

none of those were a suprise except for .3 percent east african

could that be part of north african like egypt maybe? because it would make sense if there was egyptian because there was a romaniote community there for years
do people from north africa usually have east africa %

Angoliga
05-02-2018, 02:46 AM
Very minor East African affinities can be common among North African pops as well as among some Greek/South-East Mediterraneans; I recall someone of Peloponnese ancestry asking the same question not too long ago on the forum.

Targum
05-02-2018, 03:31 PM
Very minor East African affinities can be common among North African pops as well as among some Greek/South-East Mediterraneans; I recall someone of Peloponnese ancestry asking the same question not too long ago on the forum.

Many Western (AJ, SJ, SyJ, Italqim, Romaniote) Jews get minor E. Africa on many different calculators. I know I do.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9727-MDLP-K16-Modern-calculator&p=220348&viewfull=1#post220348

Michalis Moriopoulos
05-02-2018, 05:35 PM
none of those were a suprise except for .3 percent east african

I have the exact same amount. This is common in East Mediterraneans.

jonahst
05-03-2018, 01:42 AM
What testing service did he use and did you upload to GEDmatch? I'm Ashkenazi and I (through my dad) often get elevated levels of East or North African (varies). Sometimes it also seems that East African can be from Arabian ancestry.

radioavdelning
05-03-2018, 02:20 AM
What does East African mean within this context? Egypian, Sudanese or Horner?

Targum
05-03-2018, 02:28 AM
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?9727-MDLP-K16-Modern-calculator&p=220324&viewfull=1#post220324

Meant to post this-it's mine and the East African is a little higher

JerryS.
05-03-2018, 02:33 AM
is east African the same as Horn of Africa?

here is my puntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 NE_European 48.32
2 Mediterranean 33.33
3 Caucasian 11.45
4 SW_Asian 3.19
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.22
6 W_African 0.56
7 Oceanian 0.55
8 Omo_River 0.24
9 E_Asian 0.12
10 Wht_Nile_River 0.01

Angoliga
05-04-2018, 05:48 AM
is east African the same as Horn of Africa?

here is my puntDNAL K15

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 NE_European 48.32
2 Mediterranean 33.33
3 Caucasian 11.45
4 SW_Asian 3.19
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.22
6 W_African 0.56
7 Oceanian 0.55
8 Omo_River 0.24
9 E_Asian 0.12
10 Wht_Nile_River 0.01

Yea, pretty much: within puntDNAL K15, Horn_Of_Africa peaks at <53% among Horners (Somali, Afar, Oromo) whose SSA ancestry is about half Ancient_East_African (http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/02/the-east-african-cluster.html) -- this component peaks among modern Nilotes like the (Dinka, Nuer etc.).
During the Neolithic Subpluvial (Green Sahara), pops with this affinity inhabited a more northerly border in Tropical Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Africa).

Since the Y-DNA hg A-M13 peaks (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?7881-Distribution-map-of-Y-DNA-A&p=267376&viewfull=1#post267376) among Nilotes (<60%), it's age and minor detection in SW-Asia might suggest AEA pops migrated across the Arabian-Peninsula when it was more fertile during the NSP. This period roughly overlaps the A-M13's TMRCA for Nilotes, Saudis and Sardinians (~10600 ybp (https://www.yfull.com/tree/A-M13/)).

Since Sardinians are rich with ENF ancestry and are considered a good representation of ancient SW-Asians, their surprisingly high detection of A-M13 (1.3%-4.5%) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(Y-DNA)#A1b1b2b_(A-M13)) could be a clue for some of these minor EA affinities among SE-Mediterraneans.

JerryS.
05-04-2018, 05:31 PM
Yea, pretty much: within puntDNAL K15, Horn_Of_Africa peaks at <53% among Horners (Somali, Afar, Oromo) whose SSA ancestry is about half Ancient_East_African (http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/02/the-east-african-cluster.html) -- this component peaks among modern Nilotes like the (Dinka, Nuer etc.).
During the Neolithic Subpluvial (Green Sahara), pops with this affinity inhabited a more northerly border in Tropical Africa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Africa).

Since the Y-DNA hg A-M13 peaks (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?7881-Distribution-map-of-Y-DNA-A&p=267376&viewfull=1#post267376) among Nilotes (<60%), it's age and minor detection in SW-Asia might suggest AEA pops migrated across the Arabian-Peninsula when it was more fertile during the NSP. This period roughly overlaps the A-M13's TMRCA for Nilotes, Saudis and Sardinians (~10600 ybp (https://www.yfull.com/tree/A-M13/)).

Since Sardinians are rich with ENF ancestry and are considered a good representation of ancient SW-Asians, their surprisingly high detection of A-M13 (1.3%-4.5%) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(Y-DNA)#A1b1b2b_(A-M13)) could be a clue for some of these minor EA affinities among SE-Mediterraneans.

can you say that in plain English please :) is my 2.22 Horn of Africa on this model a false reading or true for certain groups?

Angoliga
05-04-2018, 05:42 PM
Are these minor East-African affinities consistent with other ADMIX calcs you've taken?

What region in Italy is your ancestry derived from? I'd compare results with folk in the same region, if it's consistently shown I'd say it's probably a true ancient relic.

JerryS.
05-04-2018, 06:02 PM
Are these minor East-African affinities consistent with other ADMIX calcs you've taken?

What region in Italy is your ancestry derived from? I'd compare results with folk in the same region, if it's consistently shown I'd say it's probably a true ancient relic.

Calabria.

I am a few generations removed from Calabria, mixed with English/Scottish and German.

Angoliga
05-06-2018, 08:48 PM
Calabria.

I am a few generations removed from Calabria, mixed with English/Scottish and German.

Then it's probably tied to your Early Neolithic Farmer(ENF) aka Early European Farmer (EEF) ancestry; those who've previously posted minor East_African affinities all have a good chunk of ENF ancestry. This is likely because the ENFs that migrated from the Levant (or thereabouts) had minor East-African ancestry. I hope that helps

SlytherclawRavenpuff
05-08-2018, 04:05 AM
What does East African mean within this context? Egypian, Sudanese or Horner?

this is from 23 and me. from there website the east african dataset includes people of Eritrean, Ethiopian, Maasai, and Somali descent

Flint
05-08-2018, 01:56 PM
I have some in my woodpile, here is what puntDNAL K15 spanks out.

Population
S_Indian -
Mediterranean 35.71 Pct
Siberian 1.33 Pct
Wht_Nile_River -
Amerindian 0.14 Pct
S_African 1.78 Pct
E_Asian -
Caucasian 19.80 Pct
NE_European 25.78 Pct
Omo_River -
W_African -
Horn_Of_Africa 4.56 Pct
Oceanian -
Beringian -
SW_Asian 10.90

radioavdelning
05-09-2018, 12:52 AM
I have some in my woodpile, here is what puntDNAL K15 spanks out.

Population
S_Indian -
Mediterranean 35.71 Pct
Siberian 1.33 Pct
Wht_Nile_River -
Amerindian 0.14 Pct
S_African 1.78 Pct
E_Asian -
Caucasian 19.80 Pct
NE_European 25.78 Pct
Omo_River -
W_African -
Horn_Of_Africa 4.56 Pct
Oceanian -
Beringian -
SW_Asian 10.90

For reference my puntDNAL K15, and I'm 110% Somali.:P

puntDNAL K15 Oracle

Kit M241938

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Horn_Of_Africa 54.02
2 Wht_Nile_River 30.22
3 SW_Asian 5.36
4 Omo_River 5.21
5 W_African 2.69
6 S_Indian 1.01
7 Mediterranean 0.85
8 S_African 0.25
9 Amerindian 0.18
10 Siberian 0.11
11 E_Asian 0.09