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misanthropy
05-09-2018, 04:25 PM
CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN 70.8%
Turan-Central 14.9%
Indus Valley Civilization 32.8%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian 23.1%

EUROPEAN 9.7%
Bell Beakers 9.5%
European Neolithic Farmers 0.1%

EURASIAN STEPPE 8.4%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN 1.1%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer 1.6%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN 2.6%
Central & Eastern Scythians 3.1%

EAST ASIAN 5.0%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN 4.0%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE 2.2%
Kura-Araxes 2.2%

Population map for reference:
https://i.imgur.com/pCg4u8R.png

Varun R
05-09-2018, 05:44 PM
CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN 70.8%
Turan-Central 14.9%
Indus Valley Civilization 32.8%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian 23.1%

EUROPEAN 9.7%
Bell Beakers 9.5%
European Neolithic Farmers 0.1%

EURASIAN STEPPE 8.4%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN 1.1%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer 1.6%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN 2.6%
Central & Eastern Scythians 3.1%

EAST ASIAN 5.0%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN 4.0%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE 2.2%
Kura-Araxes 2.2%

Population map for reference:
https://i.imgur.com/pCg4u8R.png

Your results are pretty similar to Deuterium's (W Bengal), but you have lower steppe

agent_lime
05-10-2018, 06:47 AM
https://i.imgur.com/W2Qa5dc.png

https://i.imgur.com/dTm11jp.png

deuterium_1
05-10-2018, 07:10 AM
Your results are pretty similar to Deuterium's (W Bengal), but you have lower steppe

Increased steppe could be due to my maternal relatives coming from further west in the Purvanchal region of Eastern Uttar Pradesh and Western Bihar

My Geneplaza results with Kurd's new K14 calculator:

CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN
69.3%

Turan-Central
14 Parkhai-EN, Parkhai-BA, Tepe-Anau-EN, Teppe-Hissar-C
Turkmenistan, East Iran
4500-5500BC

12.7%

Indus Valley Civilization
23 Katelai-IA, Loebanr-IA, Udegram-IA, Barikot-IA
North Pakistan
2700-3000BC

32.8%

Ancestral Ancient South Asian
11 Jarawans, Orissa, Santhal, Murut, Irula
Andamans, India, Indonesia modern

23.9%

EURASIAN STEPPE

14.7%

STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN

28 Srubna, Sintashta, Aktogai-MLBA, Kairan-MLBA, Maitan-MLBA
Russia, Kazakhstan
3500-4000BC

6.8%

STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN
17 Kazakh-MLBA, Krasnoyarsk-MLBA, Oy-Dzhaylau-MLBA,Zevakinskiy-BA
Russia, Kazakhstan
3500-4000BC

4.6%

Central & Eastern Scythians
6 Scythians Russia (Samara, Arzhan, Altai Ismailovo), Kazakhstan
2200-2900BC

3.2%

EUROPEAN

6.9%

Bell Beakers
33 Bell Beakers Spain, Britain, Italy, France, Central Europe
3700-4000BC

6.9%

EAST ASIAN
7 Han, Mongol, Daur, Yakut
China, Burma, Mongolia, East Siberia modern

6.3%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN
6 Congo, South Africam Africa modern

2.2%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE

0.5%

Kura-Araxes
7 Armenia-Chl, Armenia-EBA Armenia
4500-6100BC

0.5%

misanthropy
05-10-2018, 05:35 PM
Two questions.

1) Where is the Neolithic Iranian farmer? Or is that morphed with Turan-Central?

2) Also who are the bell beakers in relation to South Asian genetics? Indo-Europeans? And why is it much more than my Eurasian steppe?

Edit: keep in mind I have some Arab mixture, so that may have an influence on some proportions.

Raza94
05-10-2018, 10:52 PM
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Here are my results. A little surprising but cool to see!

agent_lime
05-11-2018, 05:36 AM
23082

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Here are my results. A little surprising but cool to see!

You have some interesting results. Thanks for posting.

Raza94
05-11-2018, 06:57 AM
You have some interesting results. Thanks for posting.

Yea I was surprised to see any Scythian, African and East Asian. Wonder what that could mean.

poi
05-11-2018, 07:53 AM
After the updates, I have bit crazy results with my FTDNA(East Asian is lower), while my sister-in-law has even crazier results with her Ancestry(Bell Beaker is higher). Just noise?

poi

https://i.imgur.com/BuJIDmvr.png

Sis-in-law

https://i.imgur.com/TcZZVGkr.png

bmoney
05-13-2018, 01:06 PM
AncestryDNA

TURAN-CENTRAL 12.20
INDUS VALLEY 35.80
AASI 22.80
STEPPE-MLBA W 3.70
SIBERIAN HG 0
STEPPE-MLBA E 6.40
C/E SCYTHIANS 3.40
EAST ASIAN 2.90
KURA-ARAXES 1.10
SSA 1.80
BELL BEAKERS 9.30
WHG 0
EURO NEOLITHIC FARMERS 0
LATVIAN HG 0.50

bmoney
05-13-2018, 01:08 PM
Two questions.

1) Where is the Neolithic Iranian farmer? Or is that morphed with Turan-Central?

2) Also who are the bell beakers in relation to South Asian genetics? Indo-Europeans? And why is it much more than my Eurasian steppe?

Edit: keep in mind I have some Arab mixture, so that may have an influence on some proportions.

1/ Spread across Turan and Indus Valley components
2/ No idea, assuming its some Yamna/WHG like signal

kush
05-13-2018, 09:58 PM
Central and S Asian 80.8%
Turan-Central 16.1%
Indus Valley 37.6%
Ancestral S Indian 27.1%

European 5.3%
Bell Beakers 3.7%
WHG 1.0%
European Neolithic Farmers 0.6%
Latvian HG 0.0%

Eurasian Steppe 3.8%
Steppe-MLBA Western 0.0%
Siberian HG 1.3%
Steppe-MLBA Eastern 0.5%
C and Eastern Scythians 1.9%

SSA 3.7%

East Asian 3.7%

W Asian (Kura-Axes) 2.7%

pnb123
05-13-2018, 11:02 PM
After Update: (My AASI increased by about 4% & my Turan Central & IVC decreased by 1%, also my SSA decreased a bit & my Kura Araxes increased by 1%, & my E Asian decreased by 1%)

https://image.ibb.co/f9pm5d/pic123.png

khanabadoshi
05-14-2018, 08:29 AM
1/ Spread across Turan and Indus Valley components
2/ No idea, assuming its some Yamna/WHG like signal


Two questions.

1) Where is the Neolithic Iranian farmer? Or is that morphed with Turan-Central?

2) Also who are the bell beakers in relation to South Asian genetics? Indo-Europeans? And why is it much more than my Eurasian steppe?

Edit: keep in mind I have some Arab mixture, so that may have an influence on some proportions.


I'm wondering the same myself. My cousin, grandmother, and myself are all 10-14% Bell Beakers; which if Stepped-mediated, is taking away substantially from the Steppe scores.

mlg
05-14-2018, 10:59 AM
CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN - 77.1%
Turan-Central - 10.6%
Indus Valley Civilization - 41.5%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian - 25.0%

EAST ASIAN - 8.0%

EURASIAN STEPPE - 6.0%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN - 4.1%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer - 1.9%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN - 0.0%
Central & Eastern Scythians - 0.0%

EUROPEAN - 5.0%
Bell Beakers - 2.7%
Western European Hunter Gatherers - 0.0%
European Neolithic Farmers - 2.3%
Latvian Hunter Gatherers - 0.0%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN - 2.8%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE - 1.2%
Kura-Araxes - 1.2%

I wonder what is the source of East Asian?

bmoney
05-14-2018, 11:08 AM
CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN - 77.1%
Turan-Central - 10.6%
Indus Valley Civilization - 41.5%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian - 25.0%

EAST ASIAN - 8.0%

EURASIAN STEPPE - 6.0%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN - 4.1%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer - 1.9%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN - 0.0%
Central & Eastern Scythians - 0.0%

EUROPEAN - 5.0%
Bell Beakers - 2.7%
Western European Hunter Gatherers - 0.0%
European Neolithic Farmers - 2.3%
Latvian Hunter Gatherers - 0.0%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN - 2.8%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE - 1.2%
Kura-Araxes - 1.2%

I wonder what is the source of East Asian?

Interesting results

Its AASI admixture in your case, unless you have known E Asian ancestry, so ultimately South Indian in origin. Kurd (calculator creator) has mentioned that the AASI component is partially E Asian due to ancient common ancestry. For South Asians you usually add AASI and E Asian components to get a rough estimate of total AASI, unless you have actual E Asian ancestry like Nepalis, Munda tribals or NE Indians

Your Indus Valley is quite high however, are you of mid-caste Telugu origin if thats ok to ask?

mlg
05-14-2018, 02:33 PM
Your Indus Valley is quite high however, are you of mid-caste Telugu origin if thats ok to ask?

Thanks. I think at least 3 of the 4 grand parents would be lower-caste Telugu origin (we were raised caste agnostic being Biblical Christians for 4 generations). My paternal grand father I suspect might have had mixed origin. I am also trying to find the migration path of R-Y46.

kush
05-14-2018, 02:39 PM
Thanks. I think at least 3 of the 4 grand parents would be lower-caste Telugu origin (we were raised caste agnostic being Biblical Christians for 4 generations). My paternal grand father I suspect might have had mixed origin. I am also trying to find the migration path of R-Y60.

if you dont mind, can you share your harappaworld results with the oracles and everything?

mlg
05-14-2018, 03:26 PM
if you dont mind, can you share your harappaworld results with the oracles and everything?

Sure, here you go...

Population
S-Indian 64.80
Baloch 26.89
Caucasian 0.89
NE-Euro 0.68
SE-Asian 2.74
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan 1.62
American -
Beringian 0.66
Mediterranean 0.53
SW-Asian 1.17
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

1 gujarati-a_hapmap + nihali_metspalu + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.204534
2 gujarati-patel_harappa + nihali_metspalu + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.220516
3 gond_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + hakkipikki_metspalu + sakilli_chaubey # 1.235684
4 gond_metspalu + gujarati-a_1000genomes + sakilli_chaubey + tn-dalit_xing # 1.246681
5 gond_metspalu + gujarati-a_hapmap + sakilli_chaubey + tn-dalit_xing # 1.270935
6 gujarati-a_hapmap + madiga_reich + malayan_chaubey + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.282900
7 gujarati-a_1000genomes + nihali_metspalu + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.287248
8 gond_metspalu + gujarati-a_hapmap + hakkipikki_metspalu + sakilli_chaubey # 1.290235
9 gond_metspalu + naidu_reich + sakilli_chaubey + vysya_reich # 1.312181
10 gujarati-a_hapmap + naidu_reich + nihali_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.328848
11 gujarati-a_1000genomes + madiga_reich + malayan_chaubey + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.330055
12 gujarati-a_hapmap + hakkipikki_metspalu + nihali_metspalu + vysya_reich # 1.332219
13 gujarati-patel_harappa + madiga_reich + malayan_chaubey + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.336420
14 gujarati-patel_harappa + naidu_reich + nihali_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.345848
15 gond_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + sakilli_chaubey + tn-dalit_xing # 1.349234
16 gujarati-a_1000genomes + hakkipikki_metspalu + nihali_metspalu + vysya_reich # 1.357444
17 ap-mala_xing + bhil_reich + singapore-indian-a_sgvp + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.363381
18 gond_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + kamsali_reich + tn-dalit_xing # 1.380676
19 gujarati-a_1000genomes + naidu_reich + nihali_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.385242
20 gujarati-a_hapmap + mala_reich + nihali_metspalu + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.388055

I replaced at symbol with #.

kush
05-14-2018, 04:09 PM
Sure, here you go...

Population
S-Indian 64.80
Baloch 26.89
Caucasian 0.89
NE-Euro 0.68
SE-Asian 2.74
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan 1.62
American -
Beringian 0.66
Mediterranean 0.53
SW-Asian 1.17
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

1 gujarati-a_hapmap + nihali_metspalu + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.204534
2 gujarati-patel_harappa + nihali_metspalu + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.220516
3 gond_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + hakkipikki_metspalu + sakilli_chaubey # 1.235684
4 gond_metspalu + gujarati-a_1000genomes + sakilli_chaubey + tn-dalit_xing # 1.246681
5 gond_metspalu + gujarati-a_hapmap + sakilli_chaubey + tn-dalit_xing # 1.270935
6 gujarati-a_hapmap + madiga_reich + malayan_chaubey + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.282900
7 gujarati-a_1000genomes + nihali_metspalu + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.287248
8 gond_metspalu + gujarati-a_hapmap + hakkipikki_metspalu + sakilli_chaubey # 1.290235
9 gond_metspalu + naidu_reich + sakilli_chaubey + vysya_reich # 1.312181
10 gujarati-a_hapmap + naidu_reich + nihali_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.328848
11 gujarati-a_1000genomes + madiga_reich + malayan_chaubey + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.330055
12 gujarati-a_hapmap + hakkipikki_metspalu + nihali_metspalu + vysya_reich # 1.332219
13 gujarati-patel_harappa + madiga_reich + malayan_chaubey + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.336420
14 gujarati-patel_harappa + naidu_reich + nihali_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.345848
15 gond_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + sakilli_chaubey + tn-dalit_xing # 1.349234
16 gujarati-a_1000genomes + hakkipikki_metspalu + nihali_metspalu + vysya_reich # 1.357444
17 ap-mala_xing + bhil_reich + singapore-indian-a_sgvp + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.363381
18 gond_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + kamsali_reich + tn-dalit_xing # 1.380676
19 gujarati-a_1000genomes + naidu_reich + nihali_metspalu + tn-dalit_xing # 1.385242
20 gujarati-a_hapmap + mala_reich + nihali_metspalu + tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.388055

I replaced at symbol with #.

Cool results. Its interesting that you get a bit of euro. Telugu mid castes rarely get any euro on harappa. I guess it makes sense though given your haplogroup. R1a shows up among low caste/high caste south indians quite a bit. Its not as common among middle castes. I'm telugu as well from Nizamabad in northern telangana. Where is your family from? Also can you post the single population and the primary/secondary population list from the regular oracle?

Btw post your harappa results in the thread link below. I dont want it to go off topic on this current thread that why.
Here's the link: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14255-Central-Asian-component-in-Dravidian-Speaker

poi
05-14-2018, 04:29 PM
I'm wondering the same myself. My cousin, grandmother, and myself are all 10-14% Bell Beakers; which if Stepped-mediated, is taking away substantially from the Steppe scores.

Same with my sis-in-law. Her steppe in K14 is low-ish, but has high BellBeaker.

mlg
05-14-2018, 04:41 PM
Where is your family from? Also can you post the single population and the primary/secondary population list from the regular oracle?

One parent from Krishna, other from Cuddapah/ Kurnool. Where's gujarati coming from? I never heard of nihali or hakki pikki... googling them. Is this Harappa tool correct?

Using 1 population approximation:
1 kamsali_reich # 2.767809
2 sakilli_chaubey # 3.630157
3 chamar_metspalu # 3.683695
4 hallaki_reich # 4.535236
5 bhil_reich # 4.582008
6 piramalai-kallar_metspalu # 4.764042
7 singapore-indian-a_sgvp # 4.944295
8 chenchu_metspalu # 5.312008
9 tamil-vishwakarma_harappa # 5.334046
10 vysya_reich # 5.544956
11 kol_metspalu # 5.741014
12 madiga_reich # 6.267591
13 ap-madiga_xing # 6.364131
14 naidu_reich # 6.373709
15 kurumba_metspalu # 6.743439
16 dusadh_metspalu # 7.251048
17 tamil-nadar_harappa # 7.436541
18 lodi_reich # 8.225972
19 satnami_reich # 8.250097
20 hakkipikki_metspalu # 8.349270

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ap-mala_xing +50% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.556291


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% ap-mala_xing +25% karnataka_harappa +25% tamil-nadu-scheduled-caste_metspalu # 1.399321

kush
05-14-2018, 04:49 PM
One parent from Krishna, other from Cuddapah/ Kurnool. Where's gujarati coming from? I never heard of nihali or hakki pikki... googling them. Is this Harappa tool correct?

hey can we take this discussion onto another thread? Please post the harappa results again in the link below. I dont want to interrupt this K14 results topic thats why.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14255-Central-Asian-component-in-Dravidian-Speaker

Arlus
05-14-2018, 06:17 PM
Updated results-
2315223153

Kurd
05-14-2018, 09:30 PM
Two questions.

1) Where is the Neolithic Iranian farmer? Or is that morphed with Turan-Central?

2) Also who are the bell beakers in relation to South Asian genetics? Indo-Europeans? And why is it much more than my Eurasian steppe?

Edit: keep in mind I have some Arab mixture, so that may have an influence on some proportions.


If this calculator was meant strictly for S and W Asians I would most certainly not have added a Beaker component as it is not informative for S and W Asians. All it is conveying to S and W Asians is ENF and Steppe alleles shared by S and W Asians and Beakers. So if you are a S or W Asian a portion of your Beaker score ENF and the remainder Steppe related.

Edit: With the update that already is effective at GenePlaza you may see a drop in Beaker whenever your results are updated

Kurd
05-14-2018, 09:41 PM
I'm wondering the same myself. My cousin, grandmother, and myself are all 10-14% Bell Beakers; which if Stepped-mediated, is taking away substantially from the Steppe scores.

Again, the Beaker component is a nuisance for W and S Asians, just included for Europeans. The 10-14% is based on ENF and steppe alleles within Beakers. With the recent update that I pushed out to GenePlaza Anatolian ENFs were added to the ENF comp, so perhaps the BB score may drop when the update makes it to your results within the next few days...

Kurd
05-14-2018, 09:56 PM
Updated results-
2315223153


Looks like at least some Indians are getting 0% Beaker and less than 1% total European

Kurd
05-14-2018, 11:23 PM
I was just informed by Gene Plaza, they have added an update button so that existing users can update for free

Varun R
05-14-2018, 11:53 PM
Updated.

C & S Asian 67.5%
Turan-C 14.4%
Indus Valley Civilization 36.5%
AASI 16.7%

Eurasian Steppe 19.9%
Steppe-MLBA-Western 6.2%
Siberian HG 1.0%
Steppe-MLBA-Eastern 7.9%
C & E Scythian 4.7%

European 4.7%
Bell Beakers 0.8%
WHG 2.1%
ENF 0.5%
Latvian HG 1.3%

East Asian 4.0%

SSA 2.9%

Kura-Axes 1.0%

kush
05-15-2018, 12:06 AM
Updated results
https://i.imgur.com/PXLvPnS.png

Varun R
05-15-2018, 12:35 AM
Eric Updated

European 57.6%
Bell Beakers 18.9%
WHG 6.2%
ENF 25.1%
Latvian HG 7.4%

C & S Asian 10.4%
Turan-C 3.8%
Indus Valley Civilization 5.1%
AASI 1.5%

Eurasian Steppe 28.5%
Steppe-MLBA-Western 13.1%
Siberian HG 0.7%
Steppe-MLBA Eastern 13.0%
C & E Scythian 1.7%

W Eurasian Steppe (Kura-Axes) 3.5%

E Asian 0.0%

SSA 0.0%

For Eric, Bell Beaker decreased and ENF increased. Not much change elsewhere.

bmoney
05-15-2018, 12:38 AM
mlg and Arlus seem to have a similar ancestral profile; high IVC, decent Turan (probably Iran N in this case), high AASI tilted towards E Asian (some of this likely to be Munda admixture)

The Iran N signal still remains strong in certain scheduled castes interesting

bmoney
05-15-2018, 12:59 AM
Cool results. Its interesting that you get a bit of euro. Telugu mid castes rarely get any euro on harappa. I guess it makes sense though given your haplogroup. R1a shows up among low caste/high caste south indians quite a bit. Its not as common among middle castes. I'm telugu as well from Nizamabad in northern telangana. Where is your family from? Also can you post the single population and the primary/secondary population list from the regular oracle?

Btw post your harappa results in the thread link below. I dont want it to go off topic on this current thread that why.
Here's the link: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14255-Central-Asian-component-in-Dravidian-Speaker

Haha yes that R1a shows up as a small but still alive NE Euro+Beringian+Med signal, so R1a %ages in families (group not individual) seem to be quite reliable in predicting steppe admixture

bmoney
05-15-2018, 01:01 AM
Updated

23164

Varun R
05-15-2018, 01:06 AM
bmoney,

I can't seem to view the attachment...

kush
05-15-2018, 01:11 AM
bmoney,

I can't seem to view the attachment...

yeah bro me too. Cant see the attachement

pnb123
05-15-2018, 01:13 AM
Updated:

https://image.ibb.co/d2upRJ/pic234.png

bmoney
05-15-2018, 01:31 AM
yeah bro me too. Cant see the attachement

check now

kush
05-15-2018, 01:49 AM
check now

yeah I can see your results now.

misanthropy
05-15-2018, 02:06 AM
Updated: Looks like AASA got some redistributed to East Asian and Steppe went up a bit. Also European is roughly the same, but some of Bell Beakers got redistributed to ENF it seems.

CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN 63.5%
Turan-Central 14.3%
Indus Valley Civilization 33.8%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian 15.3%

EURASIAN STEPPE 12.1%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN 2.4%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer 1.2%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN 3.8%
Central & Eastern Scythians 4.7%

EAST ASIAN 9.9%

EUROPEAN 9.4%
Bell Beakers 6.1%
European Neolithic Farmers 3.2%
Latvian Hunter Gatherers 0.1%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN 4.1%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE 1.0%
Kura-Araxes 1.0%

ssamlal
05-15-2018, 02:35 AM
Mine + family before update:
23165

Mine + family after update:
23166

khanabadoshi
05-15-2018, 08:48 AM
If this calculator was meant strictly for S and W Asians I would most certainly not have added a Beaker component as it is not informative for S and W Asians. All it is conveying to S and W Asians is ENF and Steppe alleles shared by S and W Asians and Beakers. So if you are a S or W Asian a portion of your Beaker score ENF and the remainder Steppe related.

Edit: With the update that already is effective at GenePlaza you may see a drop in Beaker whenever your results are updated

Just a PSA. One should login to GenePlaza and click Update next to OPEN in the K14 calculator section. It will take you to the cart but the total amount will be $0.00, and then one should click Proceed to Payment. This seems to be how they solved updating the old results, by re-running it but not charging. However, it seems it's not automatic, one needs to click the update button first.

Ive updated the spreadsheet, the UPDATE column is now called VERSION:

There have been 3 versions now. Please indicate the initial results with "1st"; the first update (occurred in the 1st week of May) with "2nd"; and the most current update (occurred 05/14/18) with "3rd". If you are unsure then only include the MOST recent result and indicate the version as "3rd".

I assumed all blank cells in the UPDATE section were people who posted their results from the initial version, as such I labeled them all "1st". Double-check your results.


SPREADSHEET LINK: https://1drv.ms/x/s!Am_OOQX_t-4D4i1bJaXVOcoAvv6L

Dibran
05-15-2018, 03:53 PM
Just a PSA. One should login to GenePlaza and click Update next to OPEN in the K14 calculator section. It will take you to the cart but the total amount will be $0.00, and then one should click Proceed to Payment. This seems to be how they solved updating the old results, by re-running it but not charging. However, it seems it's not automatic, one needs to click the update button first.

Ive updated the spreadsheet, the UPDATE column is now called VERSION:

There have been 3 versions now. Please indicate the initial results with "1st"; the first update (occurred in the 1st week of May) with "2nd"; and the most current update (occurred 05/14/18) with "3rd". If you are unsure then only include the MOST recent result and indicate the version as "3rd".

I assumed all blank cells in the UPDATE section were people who posted their results from the initial version, as such I labeled them all "1st". Double-check your results.


SPREADSHEET LINK: https://1drv.ms/x/s!Am_OOQX_t-4D4i1bJaXVOcoAvv6L

Updated mine, my mothers, and my fathers. Strange how it doesnt add to 100?

Censored
05-16-2018, 12:10 AM
Central and South Asian- 71.8%
Turan-Central-13.5%
Indus Valley Civilization-38%
AASI-20.3%

Western Eurasian Steppe(Kura Araxes)-6.6%

Eurasian Steppe-6.2%
Steppe MBLA western-.1%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer-1.2%
Steppe MBLA eastern-.7%
Central and eastern Scythians-4.2%

East Asian-5.9%

European-5.9%
Bell Beakers-3.7%
European Neolithic Farmers-0.2%
Latvian Hunter Gatherers-2.0%

Sub-Saharan-3.6%

Edit: These are the updated results. Forgot to save the old ones. Anyway, what does western Eurasian steppe indicate?

mlg
05-16-2018, 06:35 PM
Is it possible to rearrange the % figures in K14 Ancient Cultures into the following 3 groupings mentioned in Narasimhan's paper (The Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia, page 23, Figure 3B )?

- South Asian Hunter Gatherer Related
- Indus Periphery Related
- Steppe Pastoralist Related

Here are my K14 figures again (I suppose they are updated):

CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN - 77.1%
Turan-Central - 10.6%
Indus Valley Civilization - 41.5%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian - 25.0%

EAST ASIAN - 8.0%

EURASIAN STEPPE - 6.0%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN - 4.1%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer - 1.9%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN - 0.0%
Central & Eastern Scythians - 0.0%

EUROPEAN - 5.0%
Bell Beakers - 2.7%
Western European Hunter Gatherers - 0.0%
European Neolithic Farmers - 2.3%
Latvian Hunter Gatherers - 0.0%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN - 2.8%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE - 1.2%
Kura-Araxes - 1.2%

poi
05-19-2018, 05:11 AM
duplicate

poi
05-19-2018, 05:15 AM
Just a PSA. One should login to GenePlaza and click Update next to OPEN in the K14 calculator section. It will take you to the cart but the total amount will be $0.00, and then one should click Proceed to Payment. This seems to be how they solved updating the old results, by re-running it but not charging. However, it seems it's not automatic, one needs to click the update button first.

Ive updated the spreadsheet, the UPDATE column is now called VERSION:

There have been 3 versions now. Please indicate the initial results with "1st"; the first update (occurred in the 1st week of May) with "2nd"; and the most current update (occurred 05/14/18) with "3rd". If you are unsure then only include the MOST recent result and indicate the version as "3rd".

I assumed all blank cells in the UPDATE section were people who posted their results from the initial version, as such I labeled them all "1st". Double-check your results.


SPREADSHEET LINK: https://1drv.ms/x/s!Am_OOQX_t-4D4i1bJaXVOcoAvv6L

Is this the 3rd update, I assume? I missed the second update. I will post my score there.

After the latest update my Bell Beaker went to 0 and Eurasian Steppe and East Asian increased.

https://i.imgur.com/i10iSQ6r.png

Jeep
05-19-2018, 03:18 PM
Interesting stuff, I imagine the 7.5% south central asian is due to south european ancestry

COMPONENT
CULTURE
REGIONS
PERCENTAGE
EUROPEAN
53.1%
Bell Beakers
Bell Beakers
Spain, Britain, Italy, France, Central Europe
18.7%
Western European Hunter Gatherers
WHG, Iron Gates HG
Serbia, Romania, Spain, Luxembourg
5.0%
European Neolithic Farmers
Anatolian, Balkan, Central European and British Neolithic Farmers
SE Europe to Britain
29.0%
Latvian Hunter Gatherers
Latvian-HG
Latvia
0.4%
EURASIAN STEPPE
36.1%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN
Srubna, Sintashta, Aktogai-MLBA, Kairan-MLBA, Maitan-MLBA
Russia, Kazakhstan
22.7%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer
W Siberian-N, Dali-EBA
Russia, Kazakhstan
0.0%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN
Kazakh-MLBA, Krasnoyarsk-MLBA, Oy-Dzhaylau-MLBA,Zevakinskiy-BA
Russia, Kazakhstan
10.7%
Central & Eastern Scythians
Scythians
Russia (Samara, Arzhan, Altai Ismailovo), Kazakhstan
2.7%
CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN
7.5%
Turan-Central
Parkhai-EN, Parkhai-BA, Tepe-Anau-EN, Teppe-Hissar-C
Turkmenistan, East Iran
1.5%
Indus Valley Civilization
Katelai-IA, Loebanr-IA, Udegram-IA, Barikot-IA
North Pakistan
6.0%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian
Jarawans, Orissa, Santhal, Murut, Irula
Andamans, India, Indonesia
0.0%
WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE
1.8%
Kura-Araxes
Armenia-Chl, Armenia-EBA
Armenia
1.8%
SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN
Congo, South Africa
Africa
1.4%
EAST ASIAN
Han, Mongol, Daur, Yakut
China, Burma, Mongolia, East Siberia
0.0%

aum
08-03-2018, 10:29 AM
I find the following results somewhat strange for a SI Brahmin -- particularly the Bell Beaker signal. I don't remember what it looked like before the update specifically except that all the salient numbers were pretty similar. Naturally I Bell Beaker wouldn't be more than noise for Indians, but even given that the % seems rather high. Is it just noise from a calculator targeted for Euros rather than Indians?

CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN - 67.2%
Turan-Central - 10.6%
Indus Valley Civilization - 41.1%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian - 15.5%

EUROPEAN - 16.0%
Bell Beakers - 13.0%
Western European Hunter Gatherers - 0.2%
European Neolithic Farmers - 0.4%
Latvian Hunter Gatherers - 2.3%

EURASIAN STEPPE - 7.9%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN - 3.3%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer - 1.0%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN - 0.9%
Central & Eastern Scythians - 2.7%

EAST ASIAN - 5.6%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN - 2.8%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE - 0.4%
Kura-Araxes - 0.4%

bmoney
08-04-2018, 05:59 AM
I find the following results somewhat strange for a SI Brahmin -- particularly the Bell Beaker signal. I don't remember what it looked like before the update specifically except that all the salient numbers were pretty similar. Naturally I Bell Beaker wouldn't be more than noise for Indians, but even given that the % seems rather high. Is it just noise from a calculator targeted for Euros rather than Indians?

CENTRAL & SOUTH ASIAN - 67.2%
Turan-Central - 10.6%
Indus Valley Civilization - 41.1%
Ancestral Ancient South Asian - 15.5%

EUROPEAN - 16.0%
Bell Beakers - 13.0%
Western European Hunter Gatherers - 0.2%
European Neolithic Farmers - 0.4%
Latvian Hunter Gatherers - 2.3%

EURASIAN STEPPE - 7.9%
STEPPE-MLBA-WESTERN - 3.3%
Siberian Hunter Gatherer - 1.0%
STEPPE-MLBA-EASTERN - 0.9%
Central & Eastern Scythians - 2.7%

EAST ASIAN - 5.6%

SUB-SAHARAN AFRICAN - 2.8%

WESTERN EURASIAN STEPPE - 0.4%
Kura-Araxes - 0.4%

Welcome new member

Whats your admix results on Harappa?

MonkeyDLuffy
08-04-2018, 11:27 PM
Welcome new member

Whats your admix results on Harappa?

Anthrogenica Hindi section pickup line: Can I see your harappa?

jesus
08-05-2018, 12:18 AM
Anthrogenica Hindi section pickup line: Can I see your harappa?

“ how big is your ASI”
“ send pics of your ASI and steppe”

MonkeyDLuffy
08-05-2018, 01:28 AM
“ how big is your ASI”
“ send pics of your ASI and steppe”

Show me the ASI booty.

Censored
08-05-2018, 02:17 AM
People say Harappa is outdated yet it is still the go to calculator for new members. When will they update it or come up with new ones?

MonkeyDLuffy
08-05-2018, 02:31 AM
People say Harappa is outdated yet it is still the go to calculator for new members. When will they update it or come up with new ones?

There will never be an updated harappa calc, not from Zac Ajmal. It's outdated no doubt, but it's still one of the best base calculator for South asians. For some reasons everyone likes the comfort of harappa.

What's so special about harappa is that it was the first calc to feature proto Iran N component (Baloch), so shows how ahead of time it was for south asians.

pegasus
08-05-2018, 02:39 AM
There will never be an updated harappa calc, not from Zac Ajmal. It's outdated no doubt, but it's still one of the best base calculator for South asians. For some reasons everyone likes the comfort of harappa.

What's so special about harappa is that it was the first calc to feature proto Iran N component (Baloch), so shows how ahead of time it was for south asians.

Harappa oracles are damn good, and they match up with Nmonte often even better, but you have to know how to read the results and seasoned members like us we know to how. For SC/S Asians there is no better calculator thats FOR sure.

I will give you an example Nmonte models Khatris as 90% Kalash and 10% Paniya , Harappa has it at 92% Kalash + 8% Paniya long before. Also exposes things which other methods don't make so obvious ie like how similar WSHG are with Khavalynsks/EHG.

Censored
08-05-2018, 02:42 AM
There will never be an updated harappa calc, not from Zac Ajmal. It's outdated no doubt, but it's still one of the best base calculator for South asians. For some reasons everyone likes the comfort of harappa.

What's so special about harappa is that it was the first calc to feature proto Iran N component (Baloch), so shows how ahead of time it was for south asians.

Harappa is good because of the diversity of samples of S. Asian groups although there is still a long way to go. I am not a fan of these Baloch, S. Indian. NE Euro components at all since they are based on modern populations and are confusing to someone who just got their DNA results back from a commercial company. They need a gedmatch calculator that organizes it along Steppe, Iran neolithic, and AASI among other components and which has many reliable samples. That is ideal for South Asian populations.

bmoney
08-05-2018, 03:04 AM
Harappa is good because of the diversity of samples of S. Asian groups although there is still a long way to go. I am not a fan of these Baloch, S. Indian. NE Euro components at all since they are based on modern populations and are confusing to someone who just got their DNA results back from a commercial company. They need a gedmatch calculator that organizes it along Steppe, Iran neolithic, and AASI among other components and which has many reliable samples. That is ideal for South Asian populations.

Agree, I think people are working towards this but I think Davids Basal Rich K-7 is the best we have atm in terms of core ancestral groups

bmoney
08-05-2018, 03:05 AM
Anthrogenica Hindi section pickup line: Can I see your harappa?

Haha, theres a lot of diversity yet to be captured

Gotta catch em all

Censored
08-05-2018, 03:34 AM
Harappa oracles are damn good, and they match up with Nmonte often even better, but you have to know how to read the results and seasoned members like us we know to how. For SC/S Asians there is no better calculator thats FOR sure.

I will give you an example Nmonte models Khatris as 90% Kalash and 10% Paniya , Harappa has it at 92% Kalash + 8% Paniya long before. Also exposes things which other methods don't make so obvious ie like how similar WSHG are with Khavalynsks/EHG.

I asked this question a while ago: do these admixture breakdowns and PCAs take into account how similar the ancestral components are to one another?

midichlorian
08-05-2018, 07:13 AM
Agree, I think people are working towards this but I think Davids Basal Rich K-7 is the best we have atm in terms of core ancestral groups

Dodecad K7b?

bmoney
08-05-2018, 11:01 AM
Dodecad K7b?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFAa7oxWpcNN-OdMMjBdb4NeWKG7EkpKMzZJVW2_MME/edit#gid=1145986956

26284729292
08-06-2018, 07:43 AM
No eurasian steppe, but some scythian, west eurasian steppe (armenia). Let me know what you think? I find it astounding that Scythian on here is more "recent" than indus valley. Does that mean anything?

Also, Kura-Araxes (west Steppe/Armenia) is higher than any Indian in the spreadsheet and on par with an Ashkenazi Jew, while my AASI seems high, and my Latvian HG is double that of any other south asian listed. Also, only having scythian from the eurasian steppe looks very uncommon.

25003

25004

bmoney
08-06-2018, 12:32 PM
No eurasian steppe, but some scythian, west eurasian steppe (armenia). Let me know what you think? I find it astounding that Scythian on here is more "recent" than indus valley. Does that mean anything?

Also, Kura-Araxes (west Steppe/Armenia) is higher than any Indian in the spreadsheet and on par with an Ashkenazi Jew, while my AASI seems high, and my Latvian HG is double that of any other south asian listed. Also, only having scythian from the eurasian steppe looks very uncommon.

25003

25004

Is it loosely consistent with other calc results you've seen?

26284729292
08-06-2018, 04:59 PM
Is it loosely consistent with other calc results you've seen?

Not really because I haven't seen reference populations like these, but Kura-Araxes seems to be a specific area (armenia) which peaks in Kurdish people, while the Latvian HG also tends to be quite low in most south asians. On the other hand, I'm missing steppe that almost all south asians, regardless of caste have, which is interesting for sure.

My south asian breakdown seems about right, though it's interesting that my AASI is higher than almost everyone in the calc, though the 3rd edition may have played into that.

poi
08-06-2018, 05:09 PM
Not really because I haven't seen reference populations like these, but Kura-Araxes seems to be a specific area (armenia) which peaks in Kurdish people, while the Latvian HG also tends to be quite low in most south asians. On the other hand, I'm missing steppe that almost all south asians, regardless of caste have, which is interesting for sure.

My south asian breakdown seems about right, though it's interesting that my AASI is higher than almost everyone in the calc, though the 3rd edition may have played into that.

Which company did you test with? If it is 23andme's v5 chip (since August of 2017), then that might explain some craziness. The SNPs in that chip do not overlap much with current calculators in existence.

Censored
08-06-2018, 10:03 PM
Which company did you test with? If it is 23andme's v5 chip (since August of 2017), then that might explain some craziness. The SNPs in that chip do not overlap much with current calculators in existence.

I agree, I thought my Kura-Araxes was too high at 6.6% but this guy got 14%. I'd be shocked if something wasn't off.

26284729292
08-07-2018, 08:24 AM
I agree, I thought my Kura-Araxes was too high at 6.6% but this guy got 14%. I'd be shocked if something wasn't off.

I mean Kura-Araxes is close to steppe and based on my caste/background, I was expecting a reasonable amount of steppe. Obviously, this particular group seems off, but maybe it's possible? Or is it just the v5 chip runing things again?

Censored
08-07-2018, 09:16 AM
I mean Kura-Araxes is close to steppe and based on my caste/background, I was expecting a reasonable amount of steppe. Obviously, this particular group seems off, but maybe it's possible? Or is it just the v5 chip runing things again?

I asked about western steppe because I wasn’t sure but I assumed it to be more middle eastern/Caucasian like. Considering we have the results of other Brahmins who got nowhere close to that I’d probably wager that it’s something to do with the card.

26284729292
08-08-2018, 02:07 AM
I asked about western steppe because I wasn’t sure but I assumed it to be more middle eastern/Caucasian like. Considering we have the results of other Brahmins who got nowhere close to that I’d probably wager that it’s something to do with the card.

Although another one of the Brahmins had a high Bell Beaker, but very minor eurasian steppe? Isn't that equally as weird.

Assuming you're correct, what groups on the calculator would be a better representation of my genes/breakdown?

Censored
08-08-2018, 02:16 AM
Although another one of the Brahmins had a high Bell Beaker, but very minor eurasian steppe? Isn't that equally as weird.

Assuming you're correct, what groups on the calculator would be a better representation of my genes/breakdown?

Steppe, as in Indo-European, would go into either Eurasian Steppe or European rather than West Eurasian Steppe. So you should be high on one or both of those categories I suppose. West Eurasian steppe would be high if you have high Caucasus I assume.

Unless Kura Araxes civilization was somehow connected to Yamnaya seeing as they are both located near one another...yet I still don't see why nobody else got much of it here.

CatsRule
09-10-2018, 01:37 AM
Do you think this calculator is useful for Iranians?

MonkeyDLuffy
09-10-2018, 02:41 AM
Do you think this calculator is useful for Iranians?

This is more optimized for NW south asians and neighbouring populations. Plus it's outdated, try Kurd's new calculator.

26284729292
09-15-2018, 04:38 AM
This is more optimized for NW south asians and neighbouring populations. Plus it's outdated, try Kurd's new calculator.

Which one?