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euromutt
05-19-2018, 11:23 PM
My sisterís results came back today and I thought it was pretty interesting to see how we inherited the same DNA. Paper trails put our father at 100% Italian (Campania, Lazio and Marche) and our mother at 25% English (Lancashire and Yorkshire) and 75% French (via Canada).

I should have my parentsí results sometime this week.

Me:
Europe South 47%
Europe West 29%
Caucasus 12%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 5%
Great Britain 2%
Scandinavia 2%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Middle East 1%

Sister:
Europe South 36%
Caucasus 17%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 16%
Europe West 11%
Scandinavia 7%
Europe East 5%
Iberian Peninsula 5%
European Jewish 1%
Great Britain <1%
Middle East <1%

Angriff
05-20-2018, 07:42 PM
The high Caucasus number on both seems like the weirdest thing.

euromutt
05-20-2018, 08:18 PM
The high Caucasus number on both seems like the weirdest thing.

It’s been pretty consistent across other sites for my results, granted that’s using my raw DNA from Ancestry.

FTDNA: 28% Asia Minor
My Heritage: 11% West Asia
Gencove: 43% Eastern Mediterranean
GenePlaza: 37.6% Eastern Mediterranean and 6.8% Central Asian

My uncle who is my father’s half brother (same father) also has 10% Caucasus on Ancestry.

I’m waiting for my LivingDNA kit so I’m curious how that will compare since it’s so European oriented.

Leto
05-20-2018, 10:24 PM
Very different. Post you guys' GEDmatch results (Eurogenes, Dodecad, MDLP, etc.). I'm curious how similar you would be.

euromutt
05-21-2018, 12:35 AM
K13 (me)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 28.4
2 West_Med 21.2
3 East_Med 18.71
4 Baltic 13.17
5 West_Asian 13.06
6 Red_Sea 2.94
7 Amerindian 2.01
8 Oceanian 0.51

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 7.75
2 North_Italian 7.78
3 Greek_Thessaly 10.53
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.59
5 Romanian 11.56
6 Bulgarian 11.9
7 West_Sicilian 12.39
8 Central_Greek 14.12
9 Portuguese 14.23
10 Serbian 14.33
11 Spanish_Extremadura 14.33
12 East_Sicilian 15.16
13 Spanish_Galicia 15.35
14 Spanish_Murcia 15.56
15 Spanish_Andalucia 15.6
16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.8
17 Spanish_Valencia 16.14
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.3
19 French 16.52
20 South_Italian 16.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.5% North_Italian + 16.5% Tabassaran @ 2.55
2 83.7% North_Italian + 16.3% Lezgin @ 2.59
3 83.4% North_Italian + 16.6% Chechen @ 2.64
4 82.4% North_Italian + 17.6% Kumyk @ 3.05
5 84% North_Italian + 16% Adygei @ 3.17
6 83.5% North_Italian + 16.5% Kabardin @ 3.21
7 84.6% North_Italian + 15.4% North_Ossetian @ 3.22
8 66.6% Central_Greek + 33.4% Southwest_English @ 3.41
9 83.8% North_Italian + 16.2% Balkar @ 3.46
10 54.1% Central_Greek + 45.9% French @ 3.55
11 84.7% North_Italian + 15.3% Ossetian @ 3.62
12 63.7% South_Italian + 36.3% Irish @ 3.64
13 67.8% Central_Greek + 32.2% Irish @ 3.67
14 68.2% Central_Greek + 31.8% West_Scottish @ 3.72
15 55.3% South_Italian + 44.7% South_Dutch @ 3.76
16 53.8% South_Italian + 46.2% West_German @ 3.79
17 63.2% South_Italian + 36.8% Orcadian @ 3.84
18 62.5% South_Italian + 37.5% Southwest_English @ 3.87
19 86.1% North_Italian + 13.9% Georgian @ 3.89
20 59.8% Central_Greek + 40.2% South_Dutch @ 3.89



K13 (sister)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.94
2 West_Med 20.5
3 East_Med 18.23
4 West_Asian 15.25
5 Baltic 13.7
6 Red_Sea 1.63
7 Amerindian 1.31
8 Oceanian 1.22
9 South_Asian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 9.46
2 North_Italian 9.68
3 Greek_Thessaly 10.81
4 Italian_Abruzzo 10.92
5 Romanian 11.21
6 Bulgarian 11.47
7 West_Sicilian 13.32
8 Serbian 14.11
9 Central_Greek 14.24
10 East_Sicilian 15.56
11 Portuguese 15.89
12 Spanish_Extremadura 16.07
13 Spanish_Galicia 16.99
14 Spanish_Andalucia 17.09
15 Spanish_Cataluna 17.14
16 South_Italian 17.18
17 Spanish_Murcia 17.24
18 French 17.38
19 Spanish_Valencia 17.69
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% North_Italian + 21.1% Tabassaran @ 2.39
2 79.2% North_Italian + 20.8% Lezgin @ 2.46
3 78.7% North_Italian + 21.3% Chechen @ 2.49
4 80.3% North_Italian + 19.7% North_Ossetian @ 3.43
5 79.6% North_Italian + 20.4% Adygei @ 3.44
6 79% North_Italian + 21% Kabardin @ 3.46
7 77.8% North_Italian + 22.2% Kumyk @ 3.46
8 79.3% North_Italian + 20.7% Balkar @ 3.76
9 64.7% Spanish_Valencia + 35.3% Kumyk @ 3.92
10 80.5% North_Italian + 19.5% Ossetian @ 4
11 68% Central_Greek + 32% Irish @ 4.27
12 67.2% Spanish_Valencia + 32.8% Adygei @ 4.34
13 66.9% Central_Greek + 33.1% Southwest_English @ 4.38
14 67.4% Portuguese + 32.6% Kumyk @ 4.4
15 68.4% Central_Greek + 31.6% West_Scottish @ 4.44
16 69.8% Portuguese + 30.2% Adygei @ 4.52
17 82.3% North_Italian + 17.7% Georgian @ 4.53
18 68% French + 32% Armenian @ 4.57
19 67.6% Central_Greek + 32.4% Orcadian @ 4.57
20 65.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 34.4% Kumyk @ 4.62

euromutt
05-21-2018, 12:40 AM
Dodecad V3 (me)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 33.79
2 Mediterranean 30.86
3 West_Asian 17.03
4 Southwest_Asian 8.52
5 East_European 7.15
6 South_Asian 2.11
7 Northwest_African 0.45
8 Northeast_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (Xing) 7.39
2 Tuscan (Henn) 7.45
3 TSI (HapMap) 7.87
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.55
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.29
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.88
7 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 16.18
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.74
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 18.22
10 Slovenian (Xing) 18.51
11 Romanians_14 (Behar) 18.88
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.17
13 French (HGDP) 19.9
14 French (Dodecad) 20.25
15 Portuguese (Dodecad) 20.27
16 Hungarians (Behar) 21.04
17 Balkans (Dodecad) 21.71
18 CEU (HapMap) 21.97
19 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 22.08
20 IBS (1000Genomes) 22.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.6% N._European (Xing) + 38.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.15
2 57.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 42.3% CEU (HapMap) @ 2.35
3 60.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 39.7% Orkney (1000 Genomes) @ 2.39
4 59.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 40.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.41
5 59.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 40.4% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 2.52
6 59.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 40.2% CEU (HapMap) @ 2.55
7 58.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 41.9% N._European (Xing) @ 2.57
8 62.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 37.7% Orkney (1000 Genomes) @ 2.6
9 62% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 38% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.6
10 59.5% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 40.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.79
11 61.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 38.3% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 2.84
12 56.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 43.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.85
13 60.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39.7% N._European (Xing) @ 2.91
14 61.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.92
15 62% CEU (HapMap) + 38% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.97
16 60.2% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 39.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3
17 59.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 40.2% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3
18 61.7% French (Dodecad) + 38.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.12
19 55.1% N._European (Xing) + 44.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.16
20 59.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 40.5% German (Dodecad) @ 3.27


Dodecad V3 (sister)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 35.63
2 Mediterranean 30.31
3 West_Asian 17.91
4 East_European 7.28
5 Southwest_Asian 6.73
6 South_Asian 2.02
7 Palaeo_African 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan (Xing) 8.6
2 TSI (HapMap) 8.77
3 Tuscan (Henn) 8.77
4 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.58
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.68
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 16.56
7 Slovenian (Xing) 17.65
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.86
9 French (HGDP) 18.59
10 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.65
11 French (Dodecad) 19.09
12 Romanians_14 (Behar) 19.45
13 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.51
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.54
15 CEU (HapMap) 20.36
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 20.46
17 Hungarians (Behar) 20.5
18 N._European (Xing) 20.76
19 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 22.01
20 Balkans (Dodecad) 22.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.2% N._European (Xing) + 35.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.72
2 62.9% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 37.1% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.94
3 62.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 37.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.98
4 62.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 37.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.2
5 64.7% CEU (HapMap) + 35.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.46
6 55.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 44.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 2.51
7 55.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 44.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.55
8 56.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 43.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) @ 2.57
9 53.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 46.7% CEU (HapMap) @ 2.65
10 65.6% French (Dodecad) + 34.4% Kurd (Xing) @ 2.74
11 57.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 42.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.75
12 58.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 41.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.76
13 58% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 42% Orkney (1000 Genomes) @ 2.79
14 55.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 44.7% CEU (HapMap) @ 2.84
15 57.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 42.8% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 2.86
16 55.6% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 44.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.95
17 53.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 46.2% N._European (Xing) @ 2.98
18 65.4% CEU (HapMap) + 34.6% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.12
19 63.9% French (Dodecad) + 36.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.14
20 51.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 48.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.21

euromutt
05-21-2018, 12:44 AM
Eurogenes k36 (me)
Population
Amerindian 1.09
Arabian 4.86
Armenian -
Basque 3.22
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.80
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.58
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.95
East_Med 6.85
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.56
French 1.09
Iberian 13.64
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 18.36
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.03
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.25
North_Caucasian 5.67
North_Sea 9.82
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.26
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.44
West_Med 5.52

Eurogenes k36 (sister)
Population
Amerindian 0.24
Arabian 0.30
Armenian 2.02
Basque 1.43
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.98
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.92
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.32
East_Med 3.59
Eastern_Euro 0.52
Fennoscandian 1.72
French 2.59
Iberian 15.57
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.87
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 8.11
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.78
North_Caucasian 9.58
North_Sea 7.55
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.55
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.67
West_Med 4.67

euromutt
05-21-2018, 12:45 AM
Very different. Post you guys' GEDmatch results (Eurogenes, Dodecad, MDLP, etc.). I'm curious how similar you would be.

I posted eurogenes k13, eurogenes k36, and dodecad V3. Are there any others you’d like to see?
They seem pretty similar to me when looking at GEDmatch, but I’m not as well versed as some.

Angriff
05-21-2018, 12:59 AM
Maybe MDLP k23b?

euromutt
05-21-2018, 01:06 AM
Maybe MDLP k23b?

Hereís our oracle results.

Me

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 28.3
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.71
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.07
4 South_Central_Asian 9.05
5 Near_East 6.08
6 North_African 2.46
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.3
8 Arctic 0.5
9 Melano_Polynesian 0.47
10 Austronesian 0.4
11 Amerindian 0.33
12 South_Indian 0.31
13 Archaic_Human 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_North ( ) 4.75
2 German-Volga ( ) 8.71
3 South_German ( ) 9.42
4 Austrian ( ) 10.44
5 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10.9
6 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 11.09
7 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 12.34
8 Dutch ( ) 12.68
9 Frisian ( ) 12.68
10 Sicilian_West ( ) 12.77
11 Slovenian ( ) 12.85
12 Hungarian ( ) 12.93
13 Belgian ( ) 13.01
14 North_German ( ) 13.03
15 Serb_Serbia ( ) 13.06
16 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 13.23
17 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 13.59
18 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 13.65
19 Irish ( ) 14.05
20 Greek_Northwest ( ) 14.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70% French ( ) + 30% Jew_Tat ( ) @ 1.3
2 66.2% French ( ) + 33.8% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 1.33
3 66.9% French ( ) + 33.1% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 1.37
4 72.6% French ( ) + 27.4% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) @ 1.69
5 59.1% Welsh ( ) + 40.9% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.98
6 64.4% French ( ) + 35.6% Turk_Kayseri ( ) @ 2.02
7 54% Orcadian ( ) + 46% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.04
8 68.8% French ( ) + 31.2% Iranian_Jew ( ) @ 2.06
9 55.5% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 44.5% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.08
10 68.7% French ( ) + 31.3% Iraqi_Jew ( ) @ 2.12
11 73% French ( ) + 27% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 2.16
12 65.5% French ( ) + 34.5% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 2.17
13 59.2% CEU ( ) + 40.8% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.3
14 68.3% French ( ) + 31.7% Kurd_Jew ( ) @ 2.34
15 68% French ( ) + 32% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 2.36
16 62.3% French ( ) + 37.7% Turk_Adana ( ) @ 2.37
17 72.6% French ( ) + 27.4% Armenian ( ) @ 2.46
18 67.7% Spanish_Baleares_IBS ( ) + 32.3% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 2.49
19 64% French ( ) + 36% Turk ( ) @ 2.51
20 57.1% Welsh ( ) + 42.9% Cretan ( ) @ 2.54


Sister

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 29.07
2 European_Early_Farmers 28
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 21.53
4 South_Central_Asian 8.8
5 Near_East 5.57
6 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
7 North_African 1.16
8 Amerindian 1.08
9 Australoid 1.07
10 Archaic_Human 0.2
11 South_Indian 0.19
12 Austronesian 0.16
13 Tungus-Altaic 0.11
14 Melano_Polynesian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_North ( ) 5.05
2 German-Volga ( ) 9.5
3 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 10
4 South_German ( ) 10.3
5 Italian_Piedmont ( ) 10.36
6 Austrian ( ) 10.93
7 Italian_Bergamo ( ) 12.17
8 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 12.29
9 Serb_Serbia ( ) 12.45
10 Sicilian_West ( ) 12.46
11 Slovenian ( ) 12.99
12 Hungarian ( ) 13.1
13 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 13.33
14 Frisian ( ) 13.36
15 Dutch ( ) 13.57
16 Greek_Northwest ( ) 13.57
17 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 13.71
18 Belgian ( ) 13.82
19 North_German ( ) 13.99
20 Montenegrian ( ) 14.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.8% French ( ) + 28.2% Armenian_Yerevan ( ) @ 1.5
2 71.5% French ( ) + 28.5% Assyrian_Arzni ( ) @ 1.74
3 71.3% French ( ) + 28.7% Armenian ( ) @ 1.74
4 57% Welsh ( ) + 43% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 1.91
5 58.5% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 41.5% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.13
6 56.5% British ( ) + 43.5% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.13
7 69% French ( ) + 31% Jew_Tat ( ) @ 2.16
8 52% Orcadian ( ) + 48% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.23
9 57% CEU ( ) + 43% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.28
10 63% French ( ) + 37% Turk_Kayseri ( ) @ 2.32
11 53.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 46.6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.39
12 65.1% French ( ) + 34.9% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 2.43
13 60.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 39.9% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.56
14 65.8% French ( ) + 34.2% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 2.63
15 75.5% French ( ) + 24.5% Kakheti ( ) @ 2.69
16 63.4% Irish ( ) + 36.6% Greek_Smyrna ( ) @ 2.74
17 61.8% French ( ) + 38.2% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 2.81
18 80.3% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 19.7% Tajik_Pomiri_Rushan ( ) @ 2.86
19 56.1% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) + 43.9% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 2.87
20 62.6% French ( ) + 37.4% Turk ( ) @ 2.89

Leto
05-21-2018, 01:06 AM
I posted eurogenes k13, eurogenes k36, and dodecad V3. Are there any others you’d like to see?
They seem pretty similar to me when looking at GEDmatch, but I’m not as well versed as some.
Thanks. Yes, indeed quite similar. You can also try MDLP World and puntDNAL K15.
Also, this thing is pretty good:
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

euromutt
05-21-2018, 01:19 AM
Thanks. Yes, indeed quite similar. You can also try MDLP World and puntDNAL K15.
Also, this thing is pretty good:
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

Ahh I love Tolan’s calculator. Mine is the first image.

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euromutt
05-21-2018, 01:25 AM
Thanks. Yes, indeed quite similar. You can also try MDLP World and puntDNAL K15.
Also, this thing is pretty good:
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

Here’s our puntDNAL k15 Oracle

Me
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 35.98
2 NE_European 34.69
3 Caucasian 19.49
4 SW_Asian 7.19
5 Amerindian 1.28
6 S_African 0.69
7 W_African 0.34
8 Oceanian 0.28
9 Wht_Nile_River 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.29
2 Albanian 4.85
3 Montenegrin 5.22
4 Italian 5.47
5 Tuscan 6.23
6 Bulgarian 6.38
7 Greek_Central 6.51
8 Romanian 6.94
9 Macedonian 8.14
10 Bosnian 10.68
11 Portuguese 14
12 Brazilian 14.03
13 Serbian 14.19
14 Ashkenazy_Jew 14.26
15 Spaniard 14.31
16 Sicilian 15.48
17 French 16.66
18 Sephardic_Jew 18.28
19 South_German 19.16
20 Croatian 19.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.1% Tuscan + 35.9% Bosnian @ 2.11
2 54.9% Scottish + 45.1% Cypriot @ 2.11
3 56.7% English + 43.3% Cypriot @ 2.17
4 70.7% Albanian + 29.3% Bosnian @ 2.18
5 82.1% Romanian + 17.9% Cypriot @ 2.21
6 60.4% Utahn_White + 39.6% Cypriot @ 2.27
7 82.2% Greek_Thessaly + 17.8% French @ 2.4
8 56.6% Montenegrin + 43.4% Greek_Central @ 2.4
9 64.7% Greek_Thessaly + 35.3% Romanian @ 2.41
10 61.3% South_German + 38.7% Cypriot @ 2.42
11 62.5% Greek_Thessaly + 37.5% Bulgarian @ 2.43
12 56.2% Orcadian + 43.8% Cypriot @ 2.43
13 51.9% Greek_Central + 48.1% Romanian @ 2.45
14 56.7% Greek_Thessaly + 43.3% Montenegrin @ 2.45
15 57.6% Tuscan + 42.4% Macedonian @ 2.45
16 50.6% Bulgarian + 49.4% Greek_Central @ 2.47
17 83.7% Bulgarian + 16.3% Cypriot @ 2.48
18 73.2% Greek_Central + 26.8% French @ 2.48
19 77.3% Tuscan + 22.7% Croatian @ 2.49
20 65.1% Albanian + 34.9% Macedonian @ 2.49


Sister

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 35.97
2 NE_European 35.56
3 Caucasian 19.81
4 SW_Asian 6.05
5 Amerindian 0.87
6 Oceanian 0.87
7 S_Indian 0.51
8 S_African 0.3
9 Horn_Of_Africa 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.64
2 Montenegrin 4.75
3 Italian 5.05
4 Albanian 5.48
5 Bulgarian 5.62
6 Romanian 6.17
7 Tuscan 6.72
8 Greek_Central 6.9
9 Macedonian 7.36
10 Bosnian 10.01
11 Serbian 13.36
12 Portuguese 13.77
13 Spaniard 14.11
14 Brazilian 14.6
15 Ashkenazy_Jew 15.13
16 French 15.87
17 Sicilian 16.26
18 South_German 18.34
19 Croatian 18.89
20 Sephardic_Jew 19.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.2% Greek_Central + 29.8% French @ 1.61
2 78.7% Greek_Thessaly + 21.3% French @ 1.8
3 60.3% Tuscan + 39.7% Bosnian @ 1.8
4 53% Romanian + 47% Greek_Central @ 1.85
5 55.6% Bulgarian + 44.4% Greek_Central @ 1.92
6 58.2% Greek_Thessaly + 41.8% Romanian @ 1.94
7 56.3% Scottish + 43.7% Cypriot @ 1.99
8 86.8% Romanian + 13.2% Turk_Trabzon @ 1.99
9 67.3% Tuscan + 32.7% Serbian @ 2
10 55.7% Greek_Thessaly + 44.3% Bulgarian @ 2
11 52.4% Tuscan + 47.6% Macedonian @ 2.01
12 74.5% Tuscan + 25.5% Croatian @ 2.03
13 62% Utahn_White + 38% Cypriot @ 2.03
14 81.4% Greek_Thessaly + 18.6% South_German @ 2.03
15 73.5% Greek_Central + 26.5% South_German @ 2.04
16 82% Greek_Thessaly + 18% Utahn_White @ 2.04
17 74.3% Greek_Central + 25.7% Utahn_White @ 2.08
18 84.2% Romanian + 15.8% Cypriot @ 2.1
19 58.2% English + 41.8% Cypriot @ 2.13
20 85.3% Greek_Thessaly + 14.7% Scottish @ 2.13

euromutt
05-21-2018, 01:30 AM
And our MDLP World Oracle

Me
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 41.76
2 North_and_East_European 23.96
3 Caucaus_Parsia 18.3
4 Middle_East 13.19
5 Indian 1.42
6 Arctic_Amerind 0.62
7 Paleo_African 0.42
8 Mesoamerican 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Gagauz 2.53
2 Bulgarian 5.65
3 Greek_North 7.44
4 Romania 7.77
5 Macedonian 7.91
6 Greek_South 7.99
7 Ashkenazim_V 8.05
8 Montenegrin 9.56
9 Greek_Center 11.05
10 Italian-North 11.21
11 Serbian 11.36
12 Italian_North 11.83
13 Italian-Center 12.42
14 Greek_East 12.47
15 Swiss 12.51
16 Provancal 12.69
17 Jew_Romania 12.93
18 Bosnian 14.4
19 Italian-South 15.14
20 Corsican 15.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.3% German-South + 28.7% Jew_Azerbaijan @ 0.89
2 87.6% Bulgarian + 12.4% Kurd @ 0.98
3 95.5% Gagauz + 4.5% Parsi @ 1.13
4 71.7% German-South + 28.3% Jew_Tat @ 1.16
5 94.9% Gagauz + 5.1% Iranian @ 1.22
6 94.7% Gagauz + 5.3% Kurd @ 1.24
7 94.4% Gagauz + 5.6% Azeri @ 1.28
8 96.2% Gagauz + 3.8% Brahui @ 1.29
9 93.1% Gagauz + 6.9% Turk @ 1.3
10 88.3% Bulgarian + 11.7% Iranian @ 1.3
11 96.1% Gagauz + 3.9% Makrani @ 1.3
12 80.7% Montenegrin + 19.3% Jew-Uzbekistan @ 1.31
13 72.3% German-South + 27.7% Jew_Iraqi @ 1.32
14 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% Armenian @ 1.32
15 81.1% Montenegrin + 18.9% Jew_Tat @ 1.32
16 87% Bulgarian + 13% Azeri @ 1.33
17 96.2% Gagauz + 3.8% Balochi @ 1.33
18 94.4% Gagauz + 5.6% Armenian @ 1.34
19 89.3% Gagauz + 10.7% Greek_Azov @ 1.34
20 80.7% Montenegrin + 19.3% Jew_Azerbaijan @ 1.35


Sister
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 42.16
2 North_and_East_European 24.38
3 Caucaus_Parsia 18.58
4 Middle_East 11.69
5 Indian 2.05
6 Mesoamerican 0.62
7 Paleo_African 0.26
8 Melanesian 0.16
9 Arctic_Amerind 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Gagauz 2.73
2 Bulgarian 5.37
3 Romania 6.68
4 Macedonian 7.52
5 Greek_North 8.47
6 Greek_South 9.04
7 Montenegrin 9.04
8 Ashkenazim_V 9.54
9 Serbian 10.7
10 Italian-North 11.35
11 Italian_North 11.47
12 Swiss 11.95
13 Greek_Center 11.97
14 Provancal 12.19
15 Italian-Center 13.43
16 Greek_East 13.44
17 Bosnian 13.79
18 Jew_Romania 14.26
19 German-South 15.23
20 Kosovar 15.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.8% German-South + 27.2% Jew_Azerbaijan @ 1.45
2 96.3% Gagauz + 3.7% Kalash @ 1.47
3 95.7% Gagauz + 4.3% Pathan @ 1.5
4 96.2% Gagauz + 3.8% Sindhi @ 1.51
5 81.7% Montenegrin + 18.3% Kurd @ 1.53
6 95.4% Gagauz + 4.6% Pashtun @ 1.54
7 96% Gagauz + 4% Burusho @ 1.57
8 73.2% German-South + 26.8% Jew_Tat @ 1.57
9 96.1% Gagauz + 3.9% Balochi @ 1.62
10 96.2% Gagauz + 3.8% Brahui @ 1.66
11 72.8% German-South + 27.2% Jew-Uzbekistan @ 1.67
12 96.4% Gagauz + 3.6% Jew_India @ 1.71
13 96.2% Gagauz + 3.8% Makrani @ 1.72
14 93.1% Gagauz + 6.9% Roma @ 1.75
15 95.1% Gagauz + 4.9% Tadjik @ 1.78
16 80.7% Montenegrin + 19.3% Azeri @ 1.8
17 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% Georgian @ 1.82
18 90.5% Bulgarian + 9.5% Parsi @ 1.82
19 96% Gagauz + 4% Parsi @ 1.82
20 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Brahui @ 1.83

euromutt
05-23-2018, 12:14 PM
I received back my parents' results this morning, they're below. Pretty interesting Low Confidence Regions on both. The Irish on my father's are probably just noise, but the Europe East (which my sister got) and Finnish/Northwest Russia on my mother's results are relatively surprising. And considering Ancestry likes giving everyone Scandinavian, I'm chalking mine, my sister and my mother's up to being English.

Mother: 75% French 25% English paper trail

Europe West 48%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 19%
Europe South 12%
Iberian Peninsula 7%
Great Britain 4%
Scandinavia 4%
Finland/Northwest Russia 3%
Europe East 2%
Caucasus 1%

Father: 100% Italian paper trail

Up to date Up to date
Europe South 73% (Southern Italy Genetic Community)
Caucasus 18%
Middle East 8%
European Jewish <1%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales <1%

Myself: (again for reference)

Europe South 47%
Europe West 29%
Caucasus 12%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 5%
Great Britain 2%
Scandinavia 2%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Middle East 1%

My sister: (again for reference)

Europe South 36%
Caucasus 17%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 16%
Europe West 11%
Scandinavia 7%
Europe East 5%
Iberian Peninsula 5%
European Jewish 1%
Great Britain <1%
Middle East <1%

mwauthy
05-30-2018, 04:40 PM
Here is a comparison of my mom and her brother. Both are 100% French Canadian.

Mom:
Iberian Peninsula 32%
Great Britain 23%
Scandinavia 17%
Europe South 15%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 9%
Europe East 4%
Europe West <1%

Her Brother:
Great Britain 64%
Europe South 21%
Iberian Peninsula 10%
Europe East 2%
Europe Jewish 2%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales <1%

A few observations are that Great Britain appears to be a mixture of Ireland/Scotland/Wales and Scandinavia. Iberian Peninsula can sometimes appear as Europe South because both have a large Neolithic farming component. Lastly, Europe East can appear as Europe Jewish if you also have Europe South dna.

msmarjoribanks
05-30-2018, 04:56 PM
I mentioned this elsewhere, but this is a better place for it.

My sister and I (both of us are majority English, about 12.5% Swedish, the Irish/Scottish/Welsh looks about right, there's also a little German and perhaps (far back) a bit of French and Dutch, but not much):

Me:
Europe West 42%
Scandinavia 28%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 19%
Great Britain 4%
Europe South 3%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Caucasus 2%

Sister:
Scandinavia 43%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 20%
Great Britain 11%
Europe West 10%
Iberian Peninsula 8%
Europe South 5%
Caucasus 2%
Finland/NW Russia <1%

So taking out 12.5% for the real Scandinavian and about 19.5% (average) for the Ireland/Scotland/Wales, that leaves 68%. If you add the remaining Scandinavia, Great Britain, and Europe West together, we both get around 61%, which is similar to what the real amount of English would be.

Of course, some of the Europe West (or Scandinavia) is related to the German/French/Dutch.

I think her higher Iberian and Europe South is because her other results were grouped so much as Scandinavian, whereas mine went into Europe West (which would have higher Europe South/Iberian than Scandinavian does). Our K13 results are quite close.

Idwaajeden
05-30-2018, 05:01 PM
I mentioned this elsewhere, but this is a better place for it.

My sister and I (both of us are majority English, about 12.5% Swedish, the Irish/Scottish/Welsh looks about right, there's also a little German and perhaps (far back) a bit of French and Dutch, but not much):

Me:
Europe West 42%
Scandinavia 28%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 19%
Great Britain 4%
Europe South 3%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Caucasus 2%

Sister:
Scandinavia 43%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 20%
Great Britain 11%
Europe West 10%
Iberian Peninsula 8%
Europe South 5%
Caucasus 2%
Finland/NW Russia <1%

So taking out 12.5% for the real Scandinavian and about 19.5% (average) for the Ireland/Scotland/Wales, that leaves 68%. If you add the remaining Scandinavia, Great Britain, and Europe West together, we both get around 61%, which is similar to what the real amount of English would be.

Of course, some of the Europe West (or Scandinavia) is related to the German/French/Dutch.

I think her higher Iberian and Europe South is because her other results were grouped so much as Scandinavian, whereas mine went into Europe West (which would have higher Europe South/Iberian than Scandinavian does). Our K13 results are quite close.

Oh yeah, definitely some Ashkenazy is there

Poincare
05-30-2018, 05:12 PM
Oh yeah, definitely some Ashkenazy is there

You are obsessed with Ashkenazi Jews. Where are you from, originally? I mean you, btw, not ancestors

Idwaajeden
05-30-2018, 05:20 PM
You are obsessed with Ashkenazi Jews. Where are you from, originally? I mean you, btw, not ancestors

Mongolia

msmarjoribanks
05-30-2018, 05:26 PM
Oh yeah, definitely some Ashkenazy is there

I would be interested if that were so, but I don't get it on any results and have no Ashkenazi matches.

I think you really, really want to find it for some reason. I'm starting to think you don't really have any either, just wishful thinking on your part.

Idwaajeden
05-30-2018, 05:30 PM
I would be interested if that were so, but I don't get it on any results and have no Ashkenazi matches.

I think you really, really want to find it for some reason. I'm starting to think you don't really have any either, just wishful thinking on your part.

I am not Jew myself, but you are shill

mwauthy
05-30-2018, 05:52 PM
I mentioned this elsewhere, but this is a better place for it.

My sister and I (both of us are majority English, about 12.5% Swedish, the Irish/Scottish/Welsh looks about right, there's also a little German and perhaps (far back) a bit of French and Dutch, but not much):

Me:
Europe West 42%
Scandinavia 28%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 19%
Great Britain 4%
Europe South 3%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Caucasus 2%

Sister:
Scandinavia 43%
Ireland/Scotland/Wales 20%
Great Britain 11%
Europe West 10%
Iberian Peninsula 8%
Europe South 5%
Caucasus 2%
Finland/NW Russia <1%

So taking out 12.5% for the real Scandinavian and about 19.5% (average) for the Ireland/Scotland/Wales, that leaves 68%. If you add the remaining Scandinavia, Great Britain, and Europe West together, we both get around 61%, which is similar to what the real amount of English would be.

Of course, some of the Europe West (or Scandinavia) is related to the German/French/Dutch.

I think her higher Iberian and Europe South is because her other results were grouped so much as Scandinavian, whereas mine went into Europe West (which would have higher Europe South/Iberian than Scandinavian does). Our K13 results are quite close.

You make a good point about your sister receiving higher Iberian because she received higher Scandinavia. I think the same issue occurred with my mom. Itís my opinion that some of these ethnicity estimates almost act like Gedmatch oracles to make sense of the mixed soup of snps.

euromutt
05-30-2018, 06:30 PM
I am not Jew myself, but you are shill

Can you give specific examples as to why you're accusing her of being a shill? This is the second thread I've seen where you've called her what I would define as a derogatory term. I'd say your constant attacks and seeming obsession with the threads she's on may constitute as personal attacks.

Your appearance on this thread seems to be a deliberate attack and not a genuine addition to the content of the thread.

Idwaajeden
05-30-2018, 06:33 PM
Can you give specific examples as to why you're accusing her of being a shill? This is the second thread I've seen where you've called her what I would infer as a derogatory term. I'd say your constant attacks and seeming obsession with the threads she's on may constitute as personal attacks.

This is shilly

msmarjoribanks
05-30-2018, 06:55 PM
You make a good point about your sister receiving higher Iberian because she received higher Scandinavia. I think the same issue occurred with my mom. It’s my opinion that some of these ethnicity estimates almost act like Gedmatch oracles to make sense of the mixed soup of snps.

Yeah, sometimes I think it does.

In explaining it to my sister I did a chart of the K13 components with my parents, sis, and me, and then the typical SW English, Swedish, West German, and French results (with the idea that Europe West would be closer to France). It was interesting. A summary:

N Atlantic ranged from 51% for SW England, to 48.5% for Sweden, to 43.1% for West_German and 42.6% for France. My dad scored v. close to the SW England amount, my mom at 46% (so between the Swedish and German amounts, she often gets pegged as v close to the North German average by the oracle), and my sister and I in-between.

Baltic ranged from 31% for Sweden to around 22% for SW England and West_Germany to 17% for France. Again my dad was right at the SW England average (he often gets pegged as SW English by the oracles, I see why), my mom was around 26-27% (so again between West_Germany and Sweden), and my sister and I between the two but closer to my mom (I was over 25%, she was over 24%).

Both of my parents are a bit higher in West Asian than the sample groups -- my mom gets 7.33%, my dad 7.67%. The groups vary from 4.9% (SW England) to 5% (France) to 5.2% (Sweden) and then up to 6.9% for West_Germany, but there's a lot of variation in similar groups -- North_German gets 7.1%, Irish gets 6.3%, Austrian gets 7.2%. My score is lower than both my parents (7.1) and my sister's higher (9.2%) -- enough that I wonder if other things are getting confused with it.

West Med is one of the more interesting, as the sample populations range from 9.25% (Swedish) to 19.5% (French) with SW England (15%) and West_German (14.8%) in-between (Irish is lower at 12.4%, SE England at 14%, North_German at 10.3%). My mom looks Swedish here, with only 9.4%, my dad is way up at 16% (close to the SW England result again), and my sister and I in-between (me, 12.5%, sis 13.7%) -- here note that if my sister is assigned high Swedish results then, she's left with higher West Med than fits with that, that needs to be explained. My West Med number, on the other hand, isn't high at all for Europe West.

Finally, we range from 0% (my dad) to 6.2% (my mom) for East Med, with my sister and I in-between (me at 5.5%, my sister at 2.8% -- and this makes me wonder if East Med/West Asian could maybe be easy to confuse, as she's low here, high in the West Asian. But dunno.) The sample populations range from 1.35% for Sweden to 10.33% for France (with SW England at 2.7% and West_Germany at 8.5%).

You can see that what numbers look high and might result in a separate percentage is going to depend on what the main results assigned are.

mwauthy
05-30-2018, 10:10 PM
Yeah, sometimes I think it does.

In explaining it to my sister I did a chart of the K13 components with my parents, sis, and me, and then the typical SW English, Swedish, West German, and French results (with the idea that Europe West would be closer to France). It was interesting. A summary:

N Atlantic ranged from 51% for SW England, to 48.5% for Sweden, to 43.1% for West_German and 42.6% for France. My dad scored v. close to the SW England amount, my mom at 46% (so between the Swedish and German amounts, she often gets pegged as v close to the North German average by the oracle), and my sister and I in-between.

Baltic ranged from 31% for Sweden to around 22% for SW England and West_Germany to 17% for France. Again my dad was right at the SW England average (he often gets pegged as SW English by the oracles, I see why), my mom was around 26-27% (so again between West_Germany and Sweden), and my sister and I between the two but closer to my mom (I was over 25%, she was over 24%).

Both of my parents are a bit higher in West Asian than the sample groups -- my mom gets 7.33%, my dad 7.67%. The groups vary from 4.9% (SW England) to 5% (France) to 5.2% (Sweden) and then up to 6.9% for West_Germany, but there's a lot of variation in similar groups -- North_German gets 7.1%, Irish gets 6.3%, Austrian gets 7.2%. My score is lower than both my parents (7.1) and my sister's higher (9.2%) -- enough that I wonder if other things are getting confused with it.

West Med is one of the more interesting, as the sample populations range from 9.25% (Swedish) to 19.5% (French) with SW England (15%) and West_German (14.8%) in-between (Irish is lower at 12.4%, SE England at 14%, North_German at 10.3%). My mom looks Swedish here, with only 9.4%, my dad is way up at 16% (close to the SW England result again), and my sister and I in-between (me, 12.5%, sis 13.7%) -- here note that if my sister is assigned high Swedish results then, she's left with higher West Med than fits with that, that needs to be explained. My West Med number, on the other hand, isn't high at all for Europe West.

Finally, we range from 0% (my dad) to 6.2% (my mom) for East Med, with my sister and I in-between (me at 5.5%, my sister at 2.8% -- and this makes me wonder if East Med/West Asian could maybe be easy to confuse, as she's low here, high in the West Asian. But dunno.) The sample populations range from 1.35% for Sweden to 10.33% for France (with SW England at 2.7% and West_Germany at 8.5%).

You can see that what numbers look high and might result in a separate percentage is going to depend on what the main results assigned are.

Interesting! Do you know where in France the French sample was from?

msmarjoribanks
05-31-2018, 11:02 AM
I don't, or even if the pools used are of a reasonable size, so it's useful for understanding K13 results but of course we can't see how it actually compares with Ancestry pools. I am looking to see if I can find more information.