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05-27-2018, 12:32 AM
Can anyone provide any information on R1b1a2a1a2a1b3~2
R1b-L421 (R1b-L433, R1b-L88)?

Literally cannot find ANYTHING on it. Was it renamed? This is my friends fathers ydna. I am curious if people have information or history on it. Including Yfull samples.

05-27-2018, 11:23 AM
That's from the MorleyDNA Y-SNP Subclade Predictor (https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal) that uses an experimental tree from 2013. That SNP was not reliable and is no longer used in the ISOGG tree.

His results probably look like the image at https://i.imgur.com/17x4Yxx.png


Notice that there are no SNPs with a green or red background between L51 and L88 which means none of those SNPs were tested Also notice that L421 and L433 do not have a green background. He needs a test that provides results for L151, P312, DF27, Z195, Z198, and CTS4188 to show to be positive for those SNPs.

If you copy the information from the page prior to getting the prediction so you can see a list of positive and negative SNPs. If you look through them U106, L21, and U152 will show as negative since all tests that can be used with that calculator included those SNPs that have been known about for many years. You can also use http://www.y-str.org/2014/04/23andme-to-ysnps.html to get a printout of those same SNPs.

Your friend's father should get the R1b-M343 Orientation Panel (https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=16349) since it includes L151, P312 and DF27. If he is negative for P312 he will also be tested for 3 other branches apart from P312 and U106. If he is positive for P312 but negative for DF27 he will be tested for another 5 branches. If he is negative for L151 then he is in a very uncommon branch.