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Arlolee
06-03-2018, 11:29 AM
Hello, I am a Chinese. My Y is T1a1a. I look like an ordinary Chinese person. Where did my ancestors come from? What historical events came to China, thank you for your answers~

GarethH
06-03-2018, 02:33 PM
Hello, I am a Chinese. My Y is T1a1a. I look like an ordinary Chinese person. Where did my ancestors come from? What historical events came to China, thank you for your answers~

Hello Arlolee, which company did you test with? Is your Y haplogroup a prediction or confirmed by SNP testing?

Arlolee
06-03-2018, 04:48 PM
Hello Arlolee, which company did you test with? Is your Y haplogroup a prediction or confirmed by SNP testing?

hello.GarethH
wegene test , confirmed , Y:T1a1a , Mt: D4j.

snp light:
6659212 L905 18941095 PF7450
18721760 CTS9163 17332851 CTS7169 16604750 CTS6000 15900621 CTS4916 14389760 CTS2611

vettor
06-03-2018, 06:38 PM
hello.GarethH
wegene test , confirmed , Y:T1a1a , Mt: D4j.

snp light:
6659212 L905 18941095 PF7450
18721760 CTS9163 17332851 CTS7169 16604750 CTS6000 15900621 CTS4916 14389760 CTS2611

looks like wegene got to this level .....from Isogg 2018
T1a1a L208/Page2, CTS931, CTS1818, CTS2611, CTS4085/PF5620, CTS4916, CTS6000/PF7446, CTS7169/PF7448, CTS9163, CTS9506/PF7450, L905

Arlolee
06-04-2018, 10:37 AM
my snp

T
PF7480
PF7464
PF7460
PF5678
PF5661
PF5657
PF5613
PF5612
PF5607
Page129
PF5667
L692
CTS11569
CTS10700
CTS8994
CTS7263
CTS7164
CTS6275
CTS6045
CTS5336
CTS5268
CTS5035
CTS4652
CTS4201
CTS3585
CTS573
PF5597
CTS482
M184
24未亮


T1
PF7481
PF7465
PF5673
PF5666
PF5659
PF5604
L490
CTS10278
CTS9308
CTS8397
PF5641
CTS6805
CTS6577
CTS6276
2未亮


T1a
PF5588
CTS11746
CTS11054
CTS6375
CTS5364
CTS5332.2
M70
6未亮


T1a1
PF5658
PF5594
L453
PF5675
CTS11556
CTS11078
PF5642
CTS5690
CTS5542
CTS3271
L162
6未亮


T1a1a
L905
PF7450
CTS9163
CTS7169
CTS6000
CTS4916
CTS2611
4未亮

Arlolee
06-04-2018, 10:41 AM
One Chinese scholar believes that T originated in Egypt. How likely do you think? He took out many examples to prove that Chinese characters originated in Egypt, and believed that China's Xia Dynasty has a strong connection with Egypt. At present, I have found 13 T cases in China. some people are Hui people. Unlike me, my autosomal chromosomes are closer to China, and I am not a Hui .I came from Xian and was formerly known as Changan. It is the capital of the Qin 秦(not Qing清 ) and the Tang dynasty. Yes, its the city where the Terracotta Warriors and Horses are located. Chinese history books mention that many foreigners in Tang dynasty are officials and the economy in China. Did my ancestors come at that time?

GarethH
06-04-2018, 08:10 PM
my snp

T
PF7480
PF7464
PF7460
PF5678
PF5661
PF5657
PF5613
PF5612
PF5607
Page129
PF5667
L692
CTS11569
CTS10700
CTS8994
CTS7263
CTS7164
CTS6275
CTS6045
CTS5336
CTS5268
CTS5035
CTS4652
CTS4201
CTS3585
CTS573
PF5597
CTS482
M184
24未亮


T1
PF7481
PF7465
PF5673
PF5666
PF5659
PF5604
L490
CTS10278
CTS9308
CTS8397
PF5641
CTS6805
CTS6577
CTS6276
2未亮


T1a
PF5588
CTS11746
CTS11054
CTS6375
CTS5364
CTS5332.2
M70
6未亮


T1a1
PF5658
PF5594
L453
PF5675
CTS11556
CTS11078
PF5642
CTS5690
CTS5542
CTS3271
L162
6未亮


T1a1a
L905
PF7450
CTS9163
CTS7169
CTS6000
CTS4916
CTS2611
4未亮

Thanks, that narrows your group down to about 70% of T-M70 :\ Your ancestors probably followed the Silk Road from the middle east to China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road

vettor
06-04-2018, 08:45 PM
my snp

T
PF7480
PF7464
PF7460
PF5678
PF5661
PF5657
PF5613
PF5612
PF5607
Page129
PF5667
L692
CTS11569
CTS10700
CTS8994
CTS7263
CTS7164
CTS6275
CTS6045
CTS5336
CTS5268
CTS5035
CTS4652
CTS4201
CTS3585
CTS573
PF5597
CTS482
M184
24未亮


T1
PF7481
PF7465
PF5673
PF5666
PF5659
PF5604
L490
CTS10278
CTS9308
CTS8397
PF5641
CTS6805
CTS6577
CTS6276
2未亮


T1a
PF5588
CTS11746
CTS11054
CTS6375
CTS5364
CTS5332.2
M70
6未亮


T1a1
PF5658
PF5594
L453
PF5675
CTS11556
CTS11078
PF5642
CTS5690
CTS5542
CTS3271
L162
6未亮


T1a1a
L905
PF7450
CTS9163
CTS7169
CTS6000
CTS4916
CTS2611
4未亮

Interesting you have snp L490 as positive...you are the first i have sen with this apart from myself

vettor
06-04-2018, 08:49 PM
One Chinese scholar believes that T originated in Egypt. How likely do you think? He took out many examples to prove that Chinese characters originated in Egypt, and believed that China's Xia Dynasty has a strong connection with Egypt. At present, I have found 13 T cases in China. some people are Hui people. Unlike me, my autosomal chromosomes are closer to China, and I am not a Hui .I came from Xi’an and was formerly known as Chang’an. It is the capital of the Qin 秦(not Qing清 ) and the Tang dynasty. Yes, it’s the city where the Terracotta Warriors and Horses are located. Chinese history books mention that many foreigners in Tang dynasty are officials and the economy in China. Did my ancestors come at that time?

Hui are central asian people...some say Uyghur origins...they have similar linguistic features as the Uzbek people.
Both part of Karluk languages.
According to chinese history texts...the Karluks came to china via Sogdia in 644AD

Arlolee
06-05-2018, 05:58 AM
Thank you,both, my name is Li or Lee which comes from Tang Dynasty , The emperor gave ethnic minorities and foreigners. Obviously I am not a native Chinese and it is definitely foreign. However, I have obvious differences from other T. My autosome is 99.99% like the Chinese, other T is about 70% like the Chinese, and they have a clear test of Iran and Egypt genes. I asked my dad. He Say that even before the Cultural Revolution, our family did not believe in religion. So I came to China earlier than they did. In Wegene, I have two Hungarians with a nine-level relationship. In Y_tree ,I have relationship similar to Moroccan and Italian, Saudis, which makes me very curious→_→. Actually, what is curious is not this. What's curious is where T comes from and why it's so little.what happend T? btw,I may have inherited ancestral lactose intolerance. What about you?(*/㉨\*)捂脸

Arlolee
06-05-2018, 06:05 AM
Interesting you have snp L490 as positive...you are the first i have sen with this apart from myself
yea , nearly(**ૢ⁼̴̤̆*㉨*⁼̴̤̆*ૢ)♡*(。 ∀ 。),but i haven't L208 in T1a1a.

vettor
06-05-2018, 06:27 PM
Thank you,both, my name is Li or Lee which comes from Tang Dynasty , The emperor gave ethnic minorities and foreigners. Obviously I am not a native Chinese and it is definitely foreign. However, I have obvious differences from other T. My autosome is 99.99% like the Chinese, other T is about 70% like the Chinese, and they have a clear test of Iran and Egypt genes. I asked my dad. He Say that even before the Cultural Revolution, our family did not believe in religion. So I came to China earlier than they did. In Wegene, I have two Hungarians with a nine-level relationship. In Y_tree ,I have relationship similar to Moroccan and Italian, Saudis, which makes me very curious→_→. Actually, what is curious is not this. What's curious is where T comes from and why it's so little.what happend T? btw,I may have inherited ancestral lactose intolerance. What about you?(*/㉨\*)捂脸

Religions and languages are not really relevant in origins of a haplogroup .....but these can be used as guides to migration.............people can change both in their life time and their ancestors lifetime...........basically so far the origins of T are from haplogroup TL ..........which means T and L haplogroups where once one and should be close to each other...........and TL came from haplogroup K-M9 ..........this is always noted as north of the Zargos mountains .............so far the guess of this is anywhere from the Black sea through to the Caspian sea, through to the Aral sea up to the Himalayan/pamir mountains ................take your pick.

you have to have TL snps ( 30 of these as per yfull )and also K-M9 if you are T haplogroup........no avoiding this

CatsRule
07-29-2018, 05:32 AM
yea , nearly(**ૢ⁼̴̤̆*㉨*⁼̴̤̆*ૢ)♡*(。 ∀ 。),but i haven't L208 in T1a1a.

Many Sassanian royalty fled to Tang Dynasty after the collapse of Sassanian empire. It is claimed a few members of the Li family do descend from Sassanian royalty.

The Persian royalty Narsieh adopted the Tang imperial family name Li.

"Narsieh adopted the Tang imperial family name Li."

I'm also Iranian and have L490 as positive, but I don't have L208. There's a possibility we both descend from Sassanids and the House of Sasan was defined by yDNA T1a1a.

Without royal male yDNA Sassanid samples we cannot tell for sure.

"Since Ardashir had claimed his royal lineage to Sasan, it is important to inspect who Sasan was. First it was composed that the epigraphic form "Ssn" on potterywares and other documents imply that Sasan was a Zoroastrian deity, though he is not mentioned in Avesta or other ancient Iranian texts. Martin Schwartz has recently shown that the deity shown on the potterywares is not related to Sasan, but shows Ssn, old Semitic goddess that was worshiped in Ugarit on second millennium B.C. The word "Sasa" is written on coins found in Taxila; it is probable to be related to "Sasan", since the symbols on the mentioned coins are similar to the coins of Shapur I. It is remarked in Ferdowsi's Shahnameh about Sasan's Oriental lineage that might imply that his house had come from the Orient."

esg5026
10-08-2018, 06:26 PM
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AndresT
11-07-2018, 04:01 PM
One Chinese scholar believes that T originated in Egypt. How likely do you think? He took out many examples to prove that Chinese characters originated in Egypt, and believed that China's Xia Dynasty has a strong connection with Egypt. At present, I have found 13 T cases in China. some people are Hui people. Unlike me, my autosomal chromosomes are closer to China, and I am not a Hui .I came from Xian and was formerly known as Changan. It is the capital of the Qin 秦(not Qing清 ) and the Tang dynasty. Yes, its the city where the Terracotta Warriors and Horses are located. Chinese history books mention that many foreigners in Tang dynasty are officials and the economy in China. Did my ancestors come at that time?

You should do further testing to know more about your specific branch and what migrations fits better.

Thorbjorn
12-17-2018, 10:17 PM
Hello, I am a Chinese. My Y is T1a1a. I look like an ordinary Chinese person. Where did my ancestors come from? What historical events came to China, thank you for your answers~

I know this is an old thread, I haven't been on the site for a long time, but I stumbled on it and it piqued my interest. I am American-born of Sicilian (father) and Italian descent. My Y DNA is T1a1a L208/Pages2 (6736443 C->T). I thought it was interesting that two men on virtually opposite sides of the globe have a virtually identical Y DNA.

Koolmets21
12-19-2018, 04:00 PM
My Ashkenazi family has T-M70 (T1a1a) that goes further to T-CTS6507. Anyone else Jewish?

Rorke1939
12-20-2018, 01:21 AM
From info online, and past comments on this thread T got around, my Uncle and Grandfather on my mothers side were T-CTS6507 he was born in London England 1901 and we trace the family name back to the 1650's, just north of London.

AndresT
12-20-2018, 03:42 AM
Rorke1939, What is your grandfather's surname? Which town in north of London?

Rorke1939
01-18-2019, 12:38 AM
Andres, sorry havnt been online in awhile. The surname is Ambler, Henry Ambler. Have been able to trace back to ...Jonathan Ambler born 1730 Shenley Hertfordshire England. Married Mary Collier 1750. Thinking of getting my Uncle to do a Big Y to try and get a deeper subclade. Very rare to have a T in England. I was thinking maybe a R1B or I1 I2. Must be quite a ancient story somewhere.

vettor
01-18-2019, 02:00 AM
Andres, sorry havnt been online in awhile. The surname is Ambler, Henry Ambler. Have been able to trace back to ...Jonathan Ambler born 1730 Shenley Hertfordshire England. Married Mary Collier 1750. Thinking of getting my Uncle to do a Big Y to try and get a deeper subclade. Very rare to have a T in England. I was thinking maybe a R1B or I1 I2. Must be quite a ancient story somewhere.

Andres is contactable quicker via facebook....
Join the ydna haplogroup for T

There seems to be more T1a1 in england while scotand and ireland had mire T1a2

Rorke1939
01-18-2019, 02:33 PM
Didn't see the Facebook page for {Y-DNA} T ?

Saetro
01-23-2019, 08:41 PM
Didn't see the Facebook page for {Y-DNA} T ?

"Y-DNA Haplogroup T formerly known as K2"
Ts are most welcome

Mossey
09-09-2021, 08:46 PM
My Ashkenazi family has T-M70 (T1a1a) that goes further to T-CTS6507. Anyone else Jewish?

Hi. I know this is an old thread, but I have just been searching for T1a1a. And yeah, my paternal grandfather was an Ashkenazi Jew, and my Y haplogroup is apparently (according to 23 & Me) T-L208, which, according to some further searching, is also known as T1a1a, which is what everyone is discussing here. Interesting that we have people from as diverse backgrounds as Chinese, Ashkenazi Jewish, Sicilian and English with the same haplogroup here on this forum. It doesnt seem to point back to any particular population very clearly 😂

Mossey
09-09-2021, 08:53 PM
"Y-DNA Haplogroup T formerly known as K2"
Ts are most welcome

Hi there Saetro. Does this Facebook group still exist? I just searched it and nothing came up. Cheers!

UPDATE: no worries, I just found it and submitted a membership request. It now appears to be called
“Haplogroup T - M184 ( Y-DNA )”

vettor
09-09-2021, 09:50 PM
Hi there Saetro. Does this Facebook group still exist? I just searched it and nothing came up. Cheers!

UPDATE: no worries, I just found it and submitted a membership request. It now appears to be called
“Haplogroup T - M184 ( Y-DNA )”

i have a few T ydna matches with welsh, irish and scots .................but I am other branch from yourself, I am T1a2

grumpydaddybear
09-10-2021, 04:36 AM
Hi. I know this is an old thread, but I have just been searching for T1a1a. And yeah, my paternal grandfather was an Ashkenazi Jew, and my Y haplogroup is apparently (according to 23 & Me) T-L208, which, according to some further searching, is also known as T1a1a, which is what everyone is discussing here. Interesting that we have people from as diverse backgrounds as Chinese, Ashkenazi Jewish, Sicilian and English with the same haplogroup here on this forum. It doesn’t seem to point back to any particular population very clearly ��

Welcome to the AG, Moosey. I am also Ashkenazi and T. There are at least 4 Ashkenazi / Jewish branches in T. Three of which are described here:

https://sites.google.com/view/ashkenazi-y-dna-and-mtdna/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ashkenazi-jews/haplogroup-t-y-dna-clusters-for-ashkenazi-jews

The fourth is mine:

https://yfull.com/tree/T-FGC30201/

You can see that there is a Brit on that branch, a sample from the UK Biobank (maybe someone you are related to?)

In any case, you wont get really good resolution on 23&me. If you get sucked down the rabbit hole (like most of us) FTDNA's Big-Y is the way to go.

Good luck

Saetro
09-12-2021, 12:54 AM
Hi there Saetro. Does this Facebook group still exist? I just searched it and nothing came up. Cheers!

UPDATE: no worries, I just found it and submitted a membership request. It now appears to be called
“Haplogroup T - M184 ( Y-DNA )”

Glad you found it. It's a good group.
I have not been on Facebook for a while. Any of it.
Too many other things were not getting done.

Mossey
09-14-2021, 10:35 PM
Welcome to the AG, Moosey. I am also Ashkenazi and T. There are at least 4 Ashkenazi / Jewish branches in T. Three of which are described here:

https://sites.google.com/view/ashkenazi-y-dna-and-mtdna/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ashkenazi-jews/haplogroup-t-y-dna-clusters-for-ashkenazi-jews

The fourth is mine:

https://yfull.com/tree/T-FGC30201/

You can see that there is a Brit on that branch, a sample from the UK Biobank (maybe someone you are related to?)

In any case, you wont get really good resolution on 23&me. If you get sucked down the rabbit hole (like most of us) FTDNA's Big-Y is the way to go.

Good luck

Hi there! Okay, thats great, I will check all of those out, thanks! As well as the Big-Y for better resolution. Cheers!

Mossey
09-14-2021, 10:36 PM
i have a few T ydna matches with welsh, irish and scots .................but I am other branch from yourself, I am T1a2

Interesting - Cheers!