View Full Version : Anyone else get Chuvashian?

06-03-2018, 11:18 PM
Only a small percentage at 2.4%, but still thought it very cool, as have never heard about this ancestry within the family. It was in the "cautious" model too which from my understanding means they are most certain of this area being part of my dna. Admit to being quite taken aback when I first saw the "Central Asian" descriptor! Anyway, anyone else?:) I have Irish on both mum and dad's side, so was actually expecting a lot more Irish - it's essentially about the same as the Scandinavian breakdown.

So this was the breakdown according to LivinDna

Europe 97.6%

Great Britain and Ireland 86%

Southeast England 27.4%
North Yorkshire 11.5%
Southwest Scotland and Northern Ireland 9.2%
Northumbria 9%
Devon 7.3%
Cornwall 7.2%
Aberdeenshire 5.4%
Central England 2.5%
East Anglia 1.9%
South England 1.9%
Ireland 1.6%
South Wales 1.1%

Europe (North and West) 9.6%

Scandinavia 8.5%
Germanic 1.1%

Europe (South) 2%
Tuscany 2%

Asia (Central) 2.4%

Chuvashia 2.4%

06-04-2018, 12:02 PM
No, I don't get that but these unexpected small percentages don't seem to be that unusual. My ancestry is mostly Wales and the borders. My complete results below. I have had SW Asia (NW Pakistan region) and Central Asia on other tests and calculators too.
Most of these populations seem to be relatively genetically isolated, so I think what we are seeing is possibly similarities to ancient ancestral origins not actual descent from these peoples. I wouldn't take these minor percentages too literally unless you know you have ancestry from these regions. :)

Europe 97.1%
Great Britain and Ireland 94.5%
South Wales Border 59.4%
South Wales 17.4%
North Wales 7.2%
Northwest Scotland 3.4%
Cornwall 3.1%
South Central England 2.8%
Orkney 1.3%
Europe (South) 2.6%
Basque 1.5%
Sardinia 1%
Asia (South) 1.4%
Burusho 1.4%
Asia (Central) 1.4%
Northwest Caucasus 1.4%

06-04-2018, 12:47 PM
Yeah, I was trying to come up with scenarios as to how someone from way over there in Chuvashia could've ended up with a European? Living Dna says the data gathered is from around 10 generations, so was also wondering (considering the percentage) if it was perhaps 5 generations ago. You're probably correct, though, especially since I've never heard of there being any Russian names mentioned in our family.

Still kinda curious though ...

If I run it through one of those free online companies that use your raw data, would I get more info?

06-04-2018, 09:06 PM
Many Europeans receive small percentages from Asia on the living DNA test. At this point I wouldn't discount it, but I also would not start thinking its real. I get 4.1% Pashtun on all modes. Other tests identify smaller percentages of Caucasus or North African but more along the 1-2% lines.

06-04-2018, 11:35 PM
Ok, thank you greerpalmer. Is the 4.1% Pashtun not part of your ancestry? My mitochondrial hapolgroup was V.

06-05-2018, 02:24 AM
It's quite ridiculous that the company doesn't run their data through a Gedmatch like calculator before releasing them, it would eliminate 99% of these mysterious Asian percentages. It took 10 seconds in Gedmatch to see that my dad's 3.1% Pashtun was groundless, not that I needed confirmation.

06-05-2018, 03:18 AM
I get 1.3% Chuvash on Complete but it disappears even on Standard mode.

I wouldn't overwork the imagination trying to explain a random 2% somewhere as it's likely just noise.

06-05-2018, 03:25 AM
The only components outside Ireland and Britain I got was 1.4 Chechnya (Central Asian) and 1.3 Pashtun. I'm Irish and my daughter also got some Pashtun. Brother who was also tested in LivingDNA didn't get anything too exotic in his he only got Ireland, Britain and Scandinavian. :)

06-05-2018, 06:20 AM
I think we have to remember we are looking at the closest modern population (as I understand it).
I regularly score around 1% native American on various calculators but I'm pretty sure I don't have a native american ancestor being British. Possibly it could be traces of an ancient genetic signature. I'm not sure it's just "noise" in all cases particularly where the same or similar regions show up on different tests and calculators but neither do I think it's actual ancestry from these regions.

06-05-2018, 11:28 AM
Thanks everyone. I've only done the one test, and as they say, they upgrade all the time - so perhaps I'll get more details, if there are any, further down the track. I did think it was probably a little more likely, considering it appears in cautious mode as well as other two, but we'll see :)


06-05-2018, 12:08 PM
I get 3.5% NW Caucasus related (even in cautious mode). As others have said, I think it's probably some ancient remnant thing. I get smaller percentages of Caucasus on other tests (my sister and I both get 2% on Ancestry), and its common for Europeans (including those in the British Isles) to have some percentage of West Asian, and according to Gedmatch Eurogenes K13 mine is a bit higher than average, so I assume that's why it shows up.

On your Irish, it may show more when the Irish project gets incorporated. I think LivingDNA tends to miss Irish currently from what I've heard.

06-05-2018, 03:21 PM
No, but I get an unexplainable 1% North Turkey result that disappears outside of Complete mode. I think those little percentages are just super ancient DNA they're trying to place anywhere they can.

06-06-2018, 03:29 PM
Ok, thank you greerpalmer. Is the 4.1% Pashtun not part of your ancestry? My mitochondrial hapolgroup was V.

The closest my known ancestors got to Afghanistan in the past 1000 years was Poland. But as others alluded to these reference populations are nice because typically they're very very isolated, but they're also very close to other populations that are not in the reference data. Pashtun for example, is closer to north Caucasus and east Mediterranean group than they are to many of their direct neighbors. Logic tells me I did not have a south asian ancestor in the recent past, but perhaps I had multiple ancestors that carried ancient caucuses DNA or an Italian/Balkan ancestor that had older origins in Cyprus. Its all a guessing game until technology advances.