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Adam A
06-05-2018, 04:43 PM
My Great-Grandmother was a predominantly South/East Bantu African lady from Madagascar, but on nearly every calculator I use I get a large amount of West African ancestry with usually no more than 2% Pygmy/San! However, on the calculators that only report SSA ancestry as 'Sub-Saharan' with no further breakdown the oracles will give me horn African populations such as Somalia and Ethiopia when afaik Southern Bantu people are genetically very distinguishable from horners. This is what puntDNAL K10 Oracle 4 gives me

1 CHG 23.21
2 ASI 20.12
3 E_Asian 14.67
4 WHG 12.27
5 Sub-Saharan 12.10
6 ENF 11.97
7 Amerindian 3.69
8 Oceanian 1.64

1 Kalash + Kalash + Cambodian + Somali @ 8.437728
2 Kalash + Kalash + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 8.705517
3 Lezgin + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Somali @ 8.718261
4 Chechen + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.122705
5 Lezgin + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.202783
6 Kalash + Pathan + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.293053
7 Kalash + Pathan + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.437047
8 Pashtun + Kalash + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.465469
9 Chechen + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.535830
10 Lezgin + Punjabi + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.657984
11 Kalash + Sindhi + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.722927
12 Lezgin + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Maasai @ 9.737644
13 Kalash + Sindhi + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.804582
14 Pashtun + Kalash + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.853597
15 Pashtun + Pathan + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.857394
16 Kalash + Burusho + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.889625
17 Kumyk + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Somali @ 9.894500
18 Lezgin + Punjabi + Cambodian + Ethiopian @ 9.966377
19 Chechen + UP_Brahmin + Cambodian + Maasai @ 9.987471
20 Kalash + Burusho + Cambodian + Somali @ 10.010961

Is this simply a problem of not enough samples from Southern Bantu peoples?

drobbah
06-05-2018, 04:49 PM
Eurogenes K13 oracles? And do you score NE African on K36?

Adam A
06-05-2018, 04:57 PM
Eurogenes K13 oracles? And do you score NE African on K36?

I get no NE African at all on Eurogenes K36, I do get a little on Eurogenes K13 but when I go onto the Oracle 4 page it disappears. This is what the K13 oracle 4 gives me

1 South_Asian 22.41
2 East_Asian 16.36
3 North_Atlantic 16.11
4 West_Asian 15.79
5 Sub-Saharan 10.62
6 Baltic 8.01
7 East_Med 5.08
8 West_Med 4.20
9 Amerindian 1.07


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tadjik @ 27.802118
2 Aghan_Hazara @ 27.899736
3 Afghan_Tadjik @ 27.993717
4 Uygur @ 28.994816
5 Uzbeki @ 30.525515
6 Turkmen @ 31.922142
7 Afghan_Pashtun @ 32.066071
8 Hazara @ 32.226311
9 Afghan_Turkmen @ 33.162609
10 Nogay @ 33.425346
11 Burusho @ 34.026978
12 Punjabi_Jat @ 35.807697
13 Pathan @ 35.956429
14 Kalash @ 38.016983
15 Romanian @ 39.347275
16 Bulgarian @ 39.757282
17 Kumyk @ 40.123287
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 40.140415
19 Azeri @ 40.212406
20 Brahmin_UP @ 40.268486

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bangladeshi +50% Serbian @ 19.703377


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Punjabi_Jat +25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +25% Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 12.212909


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
1 Kumyk + Kurumba + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.303479
2 Iranian + Kshatriya + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.324561
3 Kumyk + Kurumba + Malay + Southwest_English @ 11.337018
4 Brahmin_UP + Iranian + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.337934
5 Kumyk + Malay + Velamas + West_Scottish @ 11.339061
6 French + Kol + Malay + Tabassaran @ 11.342492
7 French + Malay + Tabassaran + Uttar_Pradesh @ 11.345190
8 Dusadh + Malay + Southwest_English + Tabassaran @ 11.345790
9 Dusadh + Kumyk + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.353506
10 Irish + Kumyk + Kurumba + Malay @ 11.358631
11 Dusadh + Malay + Southeast_English + Tabassaran @ 11.364144
12 Iranian + Irish + Kshatriya + Malay @ 11.370658
13 Brahmin_UP + Iranian + Irish + Malay @ 11.373838
14 Afghan_Pashtun + Brahmin_UP + Malay + Spanish_Cataluna @ 11.374619
15 Dusadh + Lezgin + Malay + Southwest_English @ 11.376530
16 Dharkar + Iranian + Malay + West_Scottish @ 11.377196
17 Kumyk + Malay + Southwest_English + Velamas @ 11.378097
18 Kumyk + Kurumba + Malay + Orcadian @ 11.382027
19 Kurumba + Malay + Southeast_English + Tabassaran @ 11.382814
20 Afghan_Pashtun + Brahmin_UP + Malay + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 11.387060

For some reason the 4 populations report didn't even give me an African population lol

drobbah
06-05-2018, 05:18 PM
Considering you don't score any NE African in K36 there is no doubt that you have no recent horner ancestry.Perhaps since you have a mix of Ancient Middle Eastern blood + generic SSA gives the elusion of Horner ancestry on other calculators.

JFWinstone
06-05-2018, 08:25 PM
This is what my mum gets for Eurogenes K13 for comparison (half Mauritian Creole and half English)

1 North_Atlantic 25.65
2 East_Asian 18.95
3 Sub-Saharan 15.51
4 Baltic 12.02
5 West_Med 7.72
6 South_Asian 7.67
7 West_Asian 5.01
8 Siberian 3.24
9 Northeast_African 1.96
10 Oceanian 1.84

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uygur @ 34.432129
2 West_German @ 34.441498
3 Serbian @ 34.845196
4 French @ 34.914539
5 South_Dutch @ 35.045254
6 Hungarian @ 35.097164
7 Austrian @ 35.144485
8 Romanian @ 35.562077
9 Moldavian @ 35.654434
10 Tatar @ 35.807922
11 Spanish_Galicia @ 35.815216
12 East_German @ 35.819687
13 Portuguese @ 36.262566
14 Bulgarian @ 36.959198
15 Spanish_Extremadura @ 36.960011
16 Spanish_Cataluna @ 36.987633
17 Croatian @ 37.013401
18 Aghan_Hazara @ 37.078140
19 North_German @ 37.087048
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 37.165955

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 19.587482

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Luhya +25% Malay @ 7.406829

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Malay + Orcadian @ 7.357744
2 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 7.360303
3 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Irish + Malay @ 7.365878
4 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Malay + West_Scottish @ 7.366653
5 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.383002
6 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Malay + Southwest_English @ 7.390050
7 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 7.391782
8 Irish + Luhya + Malay + Orcadian @ 7.396746
9 Luhya + Malay + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 7.405066
10 Irish + Irish + Luhya + Malay @ 7.406829
11 Bantu_N.E. + Irish + Irish + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 7.408386
12 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 7.409488
13 Irish + Luhya + Malay + West_Scottish @ 7.409844
14 Bantu_N.E. + Malay + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 7.411312
15 Luhya + Malay + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.431756
16 Luhya + Malay + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 7.431807
17 Irish + Luhya + Malay + Southwest_English @ 7.433538
18 Luhya + Malay + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 7.449008
19 Luhya + Malay + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 7.450954
20 Irish + Irish + Luhya + Tibeto-Burman_Burmese @ 7.466311

SWAHILLI_PRINCE16
06-05-2018, 09:45 PM
Most Madagascans are a mixture of Bantu and South East Asian also Austronesian your 12.10% Sub Saharan African score on GEDmatch is equivalent to your Great grandmother who was Madagascan and it looks like she was very Bantu. Your Pygmy/San % is part of your Bantu score also since its ancient admix in Bantu peoples.

The Sub-Saharan African on GEDmatch dosent include Horners, Masai, Oromo, Borana for example.(Correct me if i'm wrong)

Tribal
09-26-2018, 01:45 PM
My male line matches 97 percent of all of the Bantu men in the Congo. As long as you're descended from the original Bantu tribe members, then we are family.

Kaipiro
12-19-2018, 10:23 PM
sadly these calculators are very broad for people with sub saharan african dna, they cluster everything as one thing, so pop approximation can be wrong. I gave up trying to see what my 10-11% ssa would be, I rely more on history of the region my ancestors where from

thejkhan
12-19-2018, 10:47 PM
1 CHG 23.21
2 ASI 20.12
3 E_Asian 14.67
4 WHG 12.27
5 Sub-Saharan 12.10
6 ENF 11.97
7 Amerindian 3.69
8 Oceanian 1.64


Nice mix. You have everything.