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Stellaritic
10-14-2013, 01:22 PM
http://www.ijsciences.com/pub/pdf/V220130935.pdf
I ran a quick query against haplozone's data base,it seems that his closest cousin based on 64 Markers is Russian .http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00136-giggle.gif
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/6966/tae4.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/tae4.jpg/)

Alessio B. Bedini
10-14-2013, 04:54 PM
The researchers tested both Charles Napoléon, a descendant of Jerome Bonaparte (Napoleon's brother) and Alexandre Colonna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Napol% C3% A9on) and André Colonna Walewski descendant of Count Alexandre Walewski (son Napoleon I and the countess Maria Walewska).
All credit to these descendants who have agreed to take the test! ;)

RCO
10-14-2013, 07:48 PM
A genetic distance of 64/16 ? They are not closely related. Perhaps in Corsica we can find the same lineage with a Medieval connection and different surnames.

Bolgeris
10-14-2013, 08:29 PM
As Bolgeri Belgeri Belgieri we are 11 or 12 diff. 111 STR and all are ancestral from a little village in north Italy..
mah!!

Stellaritic
10-14-2013, 10:32 PM
A genetic distance of 64/16 ? They are not closely related. Perhaps in Corsica we can find the same lineage with a Medieval connection and different surnames.
It is pretty obvious that they're not cousins but distant genetic cousins,their MCA most likey lived ≈2000 years ago.
It is worth mentioning that Napoléon's haplotype has a relatively old presence in Europe.

Rathna
10-15-2013, 04:24 PM
A genetic distance of 64/16 ? They are not closely related. Perhaps in Corsica we can find the same lineage with a Medieval connection and different surnames.

The closest to Napoleone Buonaparte (9FZT3) and his family (they came from Florence, Tuscany, and not from Corsica, where they migrated from Liguria) is Shirokov (DW7QA) from Russia at a GD of 22 out of 95 markers. Two Ashkenazim (Abrams: 4JCSU, and Silver: J5JGY) at a GD from 40 to 46 out of 95 markers. After some Europeans at higher GD.
What does this mean? That Buonaparte family probably lived in Italy from thousands of years. Difficult to say which was its origin. Certainly they weren't recent immigrants and, as I have demonstrated for many other haplogroups, it isn't said that a few or many lines of Ashkenazim came from Middle East and not from Europe not only for hg R, but also J and why not E.

RCO
10-15-2013, 08:42 PM
In the first article the authors wrote:


Napoléon I himself knew his ancestry. In the St-Helen Memorial (Walter, 1956), he declared: “The mother of Pope Nicolas V originated from Sarzane; she was also a Buonaparte”. He confidentially said to Dr Francesco Antommarchi, his latest physician, about this male ancestry (Antommarchi, 1975): “My most remote ancestor, who inhabited Toscane, had the principles that I profess”. Probably Napoléon also knew his remote oriental patrilineal origins, because Francesco Buonaparte (the Giovanni son), who was a mercenary under the orders of the Genoa Republic in Ajaccio in 1490, was nicknamed “The Maur of Sarzane”. But, at this time (Tulard, 1999), the knowledge of his ancestry did not have the same importance as today

www.ccsenet.org/jmbr Journal of Molecular Biology Research Vol. 1, No. 1; December 2011
ISSN 1925-430X E-ISSN 1925-431812
Haplogroup of the Y Chromosome of Napoléon the First

http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/jmbr/article/view/10609/9658

Bolgeris
10-15-2013, 08:57 PM
I think May be Berber ancestry.. it's possible to Napoleon ancestry..
Arab.. ancestry... mah..

Rathna
10-15-2013, 09:16 PM
I think May be Berber ancestry.. it's possible to Napoleon ancestry..
Arab.. ancestry... mah..

If he had a recent Berber or Arab origin we should find there some close match, but we haven't find it so far. The other way around: we find close matches in Europe, which demonstrate that this haplogroup is European from so long.
As I have said in the past, this haplotype has YCAII=19-22, whereas the Ashkenazi one has YCAII=19-19. Now we should say that 19-19 derives from 19-22 by a recLOh and never the other way around. Then this Ashkenazi cluster is derived and not the ancestor one.