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jonahst
06-14-2018, 06:19 AM
Since the majority of Living DNA users seem to be NW European (especially British), I thought it would be worth creating a new thread specific to Middle Eastern and Mediterranean results. Even though their actual labels and classifications need a lot of reworking, Living DNA does offer some unique insight into genetic makeup due to their regional specificity and lack of any "Jewish" groups, unlike most other commercial tests.

I searched through this and other genetics forums, the Living DNA Facebook group, and YouTube videos to collect as many different people's results as I could find. Obviously I'm not including names for most of the people, just their reported ethnicity/ancestry and their Complete (if available) breakdown results. In some cases, I could only find their Standard or even Cautious results, which I marked.

I've organized the results by region/ethnicity. If you know of any others, please post them as well!

Middle East and Levant

Lebanese Christian:
Near East 48.3%
Levant 47%
Iran 1.3%
Europe (South) 46.8%
Tuscany 22.4%
South Italy 22.3%
Sardinia 2.1%
Asia (South) 4.9%
Pashtun 3.6%
Sindh 1.3%

Palestinian-Israeli Christian (part Lebanese):
Near East 49.6%
Levant 44.3%
Iran 3.1%
North Turkey 2.2%
Europe (South) 48.8%
Tuscany 23.5%
South Italy 19.4%
North Italy 5.9%
Asia (South) 1.5%
Indian subcontinent 1.5%

North Cypriot:
Europe (South) 65.3%
South Italy 34.4%
Tuscany 18%
Aegean 7.6%
Iberian Peninsula 3.9%
North Italy 1.3%
Near East 27.2%
Levant 21.8%
Iran 3.7%
North Turkey 1.7%
Asia (South) 4.1%
Pashtun 4.1%
Africa 1.8%
East Africa 1.8%
Asia (East) 1.7%
South China 1.7%

Kurdish (Central Anatolia):
Near East 82.2%
Iran 48.1%
Kurdish 15.6%
South Turkey 14.3%
North Turkey 3%
Levant 1.2%
Europe 11.2%
Tuscany 7.6%
England and Wales 2%
Germanic 1.6%
Asia (South) 6.6%
Sindh 3%
Pashtun 2.1%
Indian subcontinent 1.5%

Kurdish (3/4 Kurdish 1/4 Turkish):
Near East 62.2%
Iran 38.8%
Kurdish 13.9%
North Turkey 5.2%
Levant 4.3%
Europe (South) 24.8%
Tuscany 17/9%
North Italy 4.3%
Aegean 2.6%
Great Britain and Ireland 2%
England and Wales 2%
Europe (North and West) 1.9%
Germanic 1.9%
Europe (East) 1.2%
East Balkans 1.2%
Asia (South) 5.1%
Sindh 3.9%
Indian subcontinent 1.2%
Asia (Central) 2.7%
Northwest Caucasus 2.7%

Bahraini:
Europe (South) 29.4%
Tuscany 13%
South Italy 10.5%
North Italy 3.5%
Iberian Peninsula 2.5%
Great Britain and Ireland 6.4%
England and Wales 6.4%
Near East 35.3%
Iran 23.9%
Levant 5.7%
North Turkey 4.5%
South Turkey 1.3%
Asia (South) 13.1%
Sindh 5.6%
Pashtun 3.8%
Indian subcontinent 3.6%
Africa 11.7%
East Africa 7.4%
Yorubaland 4.3%
Asia (Central) 4.1%
Northwest Caucasus 4.1%

Jewish

Caucasus Jew (Dagestan):
Europe (South) 49.2%
South Italy 22.5%
North Italy 13.4%
Tuscany 13.3%
Near East 38.6%
Levant 24.9%
North Turkey 8.5%
Iran 5.2%
Asia (South)
Sindh 8.1%
Indian subcontinent 1.4%
Pashtun 1.1%
Asia (Central) 1.5%
Chechnya 1.5%

My results- Ashkenazi (1/2 East, 1/2 West):
Europe (South) 53.1%
South Italy 31.4%
Tuscany 9%
Iberian Peninsula 6%
North Italy 5%
Sardinia 1.6%
Europe (North and West) 8.1%
France 6.4%
Germanic 1.6%
Europe (East) 4.6%
Northeast Europe 2.8%
Finland and Western Russia 1.8%
Near East 27.2%
Levant 16%
South Turkey 6.6%
Iran 2%
Arabia 1.3%
North Turkey 1.2%
Asia (Central) 5%
Northwest Caucasus 3.9%
Chechnya 1.1%
Asia (South) 2%
Sindh 2%

Ashkenazi (1/2 Siberian, 1/2 Moldovan):
Europe (South) 58.9%
South Italy 35.1%
Iberian Peninsula 15%
Tuscany 6.1%
North Italy 2.7%
Europe (East) 6.4%
Baltics 2.9%
Northeast Europe 2.3%
Mordovia 1.3%
Europe (North and West) 2.3%
France 2.3%
England and Wales 1.3%
Near East 28.4%
Iran 10.8%
Levant 8.2%
North Turkey 8%
Arabia 1.3%
Asia (East) 1.4%
North China 1.4%

Ashkenazi (East Europe):
Europe (Cautious) 69.7%
Tuscany-related 49.8%
North Italy-related 8.1%
Northeast Europe-related 5%
Orkney Islands-related 4.9%
Eastern Europe-related 1.9%
Near East (Complete) 30.2%
Levant 24.5%
North Turkey 2.9%
Iran 1.5%
South Turkey 1.3%

KingJohn (1/4 Sephardi, 1/4 Ashkenazi, 1/4 Mizrahi, 1/4 Bulgarian):
Europe (South) 58.4%
South Italy 27%
North Italy 12.6%
Tuscany 10.1%
Aegean 6.3%
Iberian 2.4%
Europe (East) 18.4%
East Balkans 16.4%
West Balkans 2%
Europe (North and West) 3.8%
France 2.3%
Great Britain and Ireland 1.5%
Near East 18.1%
Levant 15.4%
South Turkey 1.5%
Iran 1.3%
Africa 1.2%
North Africa 1.2%

Italian & Sicilian

Northern Italian (3/4 Lombardy 1/4 Veneto):
Europe (North and West) 51.1%
France 51.1%
Europe (South) 34.8%
Tuscany 12.6%
North Italy 9.1%
Aegean 5.3%
South Italy 3.4%
Sardinia 2.3%
Iberian Peninsula 2.1%
Europe (East) 3.1%
West Balkans 3.1%
Great Britain and Ireland 2.5%
England and Wales 2.5%
Near East 6.2%
North Turkey 4.8%
Levant 1.4%
Asia (Central) 1.1%
Northwest Caucasus 1.1%
Asia (South) 1.1%
Southern Central Asia 1.1%

Italian (Bologna):
Europe (South) 78.5%
Tuscany 41.1%
South Italy 22.5%
Iberian Peninsula 13.5%
Sardinia 1.4%
Great Britain and Ireland 10.5%
Lincolnshire 4.4%
Central England 2.1%
South Wales Border 1.4%
East Anglia 1.3%
Cornwall 1.2%
Europe (East) 7.5%
West Balkans 4.6%
East Balkans 1.6%
Mordovia 1.3%
Europe (North and West) 2%
Germanic 2%
Asia (South) 1.4%
Sindh 1.4%

Italian (Rome):
Europe (South) 65.1%
South Italy 37.5%
Tuscany 20.3%
Aegean 3.1%
Sardinia 2.1%
Iberian Peninsula 2%
Europe (North and West) 23.9%
France 17.1%
Germanic 6.8%
Great Britain and Ireland 5.1%
England and Wales 5.1%
Asia (South) 3.4%
Pashtun 3.4%
Near East 2.5%
North Turkey 2.5%

South Italian (3/4 Campania 1/4 East Sicily):
Europe (South) 76.7%
South Italy 34.1%
Tuscany 30.4%
Aegean 5.7%
North Italy 3.9%
Iberian Peninsula 2.5%
Great Britain and Ireland 9.6%
England and Wales 9.6%
Europe (North and West) 3.3%
France 3.3%
Europe (East) 2%
West Balkans 2%
Near East 7.1%
Levant 3.7%
Iran 3.4%
Asia (South) 1.4%
Pashtun 1.4%

Sicilian (Catania)
Europe (South) 76.7%
South Italy 50.9%
Tuscany 24.3%
Iberian Peninsula 1.4%
Great Britain and Ireland 15.2%
South Central England 7.7%
Southeast England 2.6%
Devon 1.9%
Cornwall 1.7%
South Yorkshire 1.4%
Near East 5.1%
North Turkey 3.1%
Levant 2%
Asia (South) 3%
Sindh 3%

Greek & Albanian

Greek (Athens or northern Greece):
Europe (South) 58.5%
Aegean 30.5%
South Italy 17.9%
Tuscany 10%
Europe (East) 18.1%
East Balkans 14%
Finland and Western Russia 2%
Baltics 2%
Europe (North and West) 11.9%
Scandinavia 6%
France 3.2%
Germanic 2.7%
Great Britain and Ireland 1.8%
Near East 9.7%
North Turkey 6.3%
Levant 2.1%
Kurdish 1.3%

Greek (half Thessaly, half Crete):Standard Mode
Europe (East) 43.9%
East Balkans 43.9%
Europe (South) 28.5%
Tuscany 14%
South Italy 11.1%
Iberian Peninsula 3.4%
Europe (North and West) 3.5%
France 3.5%
Europe (unassigned) 1.9%
Near East 17.5%
Iran 11%
Levant 6.5%
World unassigned 4.6%

Albanian:
Europe (South) 80.5%
Aegean 65.2%
North Italy 6.7%
South Italy 4%
Tuscany 3%
Sardinia 1.5%
Europe (East) 7.5%
West Balkans 7.5%
Great Britain and Ireland 6.7%
England and Wales 6.7%
Europe (North and West) 1.3%
Scandinavia 1.3%
Europe (unassigned) 1.9%
Asia (south) 2.1%
Sindh 2.1%

Iberian

Spanish (Galicia):
Europe (South) 68.8%
Iberian Peninsula 51.1%
Tuscany 15.9%
Sardinia 1.8%
Great Britain and Ireland 22.8%
Devon 3.8%
Southeast England 3.2%
South Central England 2.5%
Lincolnshire 2.4%
Northwest Scotland 2.3%
North Yorkshire 2.2%
East Anglia 2.1%
South Wales 2%
Northumbria 1.3%
Aberdeenshire 1.1%
Europe (North and West) 6.8%
France 5.5%
Scandinavia 1.3%
Africa 1.5%
North Africa 1.5%

kingjohn
06-14-2018, 09:07 AM
thanks for sharing man :beerchug:
most results look logic :)
but hey the Bahraini results who score 6-7% great britain is weird as hell.:\
i was surprised by the roman results such high 23% north west european ancestery { 17% france+6% germanic}
+5% great britain ......
the bologna results score huge tuscan 41%
and not shy number of south italy that is cool to see ...
i see many italians score 10-15% great britain that must be celtic -gallic influence
i think the france is also gallic influence even though the reference they used is from north france

Nive1526
06-14-2018, 09:52 AM
Thanks a lot!
This raises some questions on their Arab cluster, since no one from the Middle East and Levant scored any.

Nive1526
06-14-2018, 09:53 AM
Double Post

jonahst
06-14-2018, 05:03 PM
Thanks a lot!
This raises some questions on their Arab cluster, since no one from the Middle East and Levant scored any.

Agreed. Also, the Kurdish is very underrepresented among Kurds and nobody got any Armenia/Cyprus in Complete or Standard mode, not even the Cypriot girl. The Arabia overlaps with Egypt, so I do wonder if it represents Egyptian admixture more than, let's say, East Arabian. There's a half North African half Turkish girl who posted in the FB group that she was waiting for her results, so hopefully she'll share them and I can add them here!

JerryS.
06-14-2018, 05:12 PM
that's a lot of work, thanks!

Sikeliot
06-14-2018, 05:25 PM
Levantines are scoring a lot of Italy but that's misrepresenting the gene flow direction and due to Levantine admixture in Italy, plus possible minor Norman in the Levant from the Crusades. Even the Bahraini scores Italy... but the Sicilian isn't scoring Levant because the South Italy cluster is a partial stand in.

Greeks appear between south Italy and Balkan as expected due to Slavic input but why is Albania scoring the most Aegean??

jonahst
06-14-2018, 05:50 PM
Greeks appear between south Italy and Balkan as expected due to Slavic input but why is Albania scoring the most Aegean??

Your guess is as good as mine, haha, but it must be based on how they define "Aegean." Maybe they used Greeks who are very similar to Albanians yet distinct from other Greeks?

Sikeliot
06-14-2018, 06:04 PM
Your guess is as good as mine, haha, but it must be based on how they define "Aegean." Maybe they used Greeks who are very similar to Albanians yet distinct from other Greeks?

Sometimes they use Epirotes and Peloponnesians because it is believed they have less Slavic than other Greeks but I don't agree. Epirus is full of place names of Slavic origin.

JerryS.
06-14-2018, 06:05 PM
Levantines are scoring a lot of Italy but that's misrepresenting the gene flow direction and due to Levantine admixture in Italy, plus possible minor Norman in the Levant from the Crusades. Even the Bahraini scores Italy... but the Sicilian isn't scoring Levant because the South Italy cluster is a partial stand in.

Greeks appear between south Italy and Balkan as expected due to Slavic input but why is Albania scoring the most Aegean??

yes, and I see no North African for southern-Italian/Sicilian.

Nive1526
06-14-2018, 06:09 PM
I think some of the Anatolian ancestry in Middle Eastern and Levantine peoples results goes into Tuscany.
In the timeline, Tuscan gives a faint blue color in North Turkey.

kingjohn
06-14-2018, 06:11 PM
yes, and I see no North African for southern-Italian/Sicilian.

there is a full galician in eupedia who score some north africa in complete mode in living dna
me to { but in me it must be from my sefhardi heritage}:)
in the galician it should be ancient north african autosomal geneflow .....

coffeeprince
06-14-2018, 06:19 PM
I was thinking of buying LivingDNA but these results don't seem to convince me :\
Might wait it out a few more years.

JerryS.
06-14-2018, 06:23 PM
there is a full galician in eupedia who score some north africa in complete mode in living dna
me to { but in me it must be from my sefhardi heritage}:)
in the galician it should be ancient north african autosomal geneflow .....

I figured (for southern-Italy/Sicily) the ancient Carthaginians and then introduced again in the middle ages by the Moors would have resulted in a significant N. African showing, albeit less than the Levantine.

kingjohn
06-14-2018, 06:25 PM
I was thinking of buying LivingDNA but these results don't seem to convince me :\
Might wait it out a few more years.

yes if i was you i would wait { i bought so it is a friend advice}
maybe in few more months it would be worth it ...... :)

Dewsloth
06-14-2018, 06:42 PM
Since the majority of Living DNA users seem to be NW European (especially British), I thought it would be worth creating a new thread specific to Middle Eastern and Mediterranean results. Even though their actual labels and classifications need a lot of reworking, Living DNA does offer some unique insight into genetic makeup due to their regional specificity and lack of any "Jewish" groups, unlike most other commercial tests.

I searched through this and other genetics forums, the Living DNA Facebook group, and YouTube videos to collect as many different people's results as I could find. Obviously I'm not including names for most of the people, just their reported ethnicity/ancestry and their Complete (if available) breakdown results. In some cases, I could only find their Standard or even Cautious results, which I marked.

I've organized the results by region/ethnicity. If you know of any others, please post them as well!


This may or may not be helpful, but on paper Dad is about 40% British, 40% German, 10% Belgian, 10% Ashkenazi.
He was an early tester and they have never updated his results, so they see NO German, French or BeNeLux.

I think his Ashkenazi is in Aegean and maybe some Balkans and N. Italy (some of his missing German is clearly in N. Italy, too):

Europe 100%
Great Britain and Ireland 71.1%
Europe (South) 14.3%
North Italy 11.1%
Aegean 3.2%
Europe (North and West) 8.2%
Scandinavia 8.2%
Europe (East) 6.4%
West Balkans 2.6%
East Balkans 2%
Finland and Western Russia 1.8%

jonahst
06-14-2018, 07:44 PM
there is a full galician in eupedia who score some north africa in complete mode in living dna
me to { but in me it must be from my sefhardi heritage}:)
in the galician it should be ancient north african autosomal geneflow .....

Can you post his results?

jonahst
06-14-2018, 07:46 PM
I think some of the Anatolian ancestry in Middle Eastern and Levantine peoples results goes into Tuscany.
In the timeline, Tuscan gives a faint blue color in North Turkey.

I think Tuscany includes some Caucasus admixture as well. They also mention a connection between North Italy and Iran in one of their descriptions. All of the "Italian" components seem to have a lot of West Asian or MENA.

kingjohn
06-14-2018, 07:51 PM
Can you post his results?

sure { as long as there no name attached to it i see no problem }


Europe 98.5%

Europe (South) 68.8%

Iberian Peninsula 51.1%

Tuscany 15.9% (Odd I was thinking i would get more north Italian??)
Sardinia 1.8%

Great Britain and Ireland 22.8%
Devon 3.8%
Southeast England 3.2%
South Central England 2.5%
Lincolnshire 2.4%
Northwest Scotland 2.3%
North Yorkshire 2.2%
East Anglia 2.1%
South Wales 2%
Northumbria 1.3%
Aberdeenshire 1.1%

Europe (North and West) 6.8%
France 5.5%
Scandinavia 1.3%

Africa 1.5% (Very Possible it is pre-Moorish Spain)
North Africa 1.5%

jonahst
06-15-2018, 01:19 AM
Great, thanks! I'm going to add this to the original post.

jonahst
06-15-2018, 10:48 PM
Some new results:

Ashkenazi (mix of East and West):
Europe (South) 60%
South Italy 45.1%
Tuscany 6%
Iberian Peninsula 4.5%
North Italy 2.4%
Aegean 2.1%
Europe (East) 7.8%
Baltics 3.5%
West Balkans 3.1%
Pannonia 1.1%
Great Britain and Ireland 4.1%
England and Wales 4.1%
Europe (North and West) 3%
Germanic 1.8%
France 1.2%
Near East 25.1%
Levant 17.5%
North Turkey 3.8%
Iran 3.8%

Italian (1/2 Venice, 1/2, 1/4 Piedmont, 1/4 Sardinia):
Europe (South) 61.5%
North Italy 14%
Sardinia 13.6%
South Italy 13%
Iberian Peninsula 7.9%
Aegean 7.9%
Tuscany 5.1%
Europe (North and West) 16.1%
Germanic 12.4%
France 3.7%
Great Britain and Ireland 11.3%
South England 6.2%
East Anglia 2.1%
Lincolnshire 1.7%
North Yorkshire 1.3%
Europe (East) 7%
Pannonia 3.1%
West Balkans 2.2%
East Balkans 1.7%
Near East 4%
North Turkey 2.2%
Levant 1.8%

jonahst
07-06-2018, 02:56 AM
Greek (1/2 Epirus, 1/4 Kefalonia, 1/4 Kea)
Europe (South) 73.4%
Aegean 44.1%
Tuscany 13.4%
South Italy 12.3%
North Italy 3.5%
Europe (North and West) 12.2%
France 8%
Germanic 2.4%
Scandinavia 1.8%
Europe (East) 10%
East Balkans 5.5%
West Balkans 1.6%
Pannonia 1.5%
Northeast Europe 1.3%
Great Britain and Ireland 4.5%
England and Wales 4.5%

Alexandra_K
07-06-2018, 05:20 AM
Jonahst and Sikeliot,
Both Epirus and the Peloponnese are full of Slavic toponyms (our village is one of them)...In Epirus at least there are also many people with Arvanite or Vlach origins, like my family who has both. In the Peloponnese there are many Arvanites too.
The last results are mine. My high Aegean is comparable to the person's from Albania, I would think. In my case, the high Aegean can be also my father's input (Kephalonia and Kea). However even he seems to have minor Arvanite admixture. One branch of my mom's family were Arvanites. Another 2 branches had been Vlach. It all depends on the reference populations they use for each category, as you say.

jonahst
07-06-2018, 07:26 AM
Jonahst and Sikeliot,
Both Epirus and the Peloponnese are full of Slavic toponyms (our village is one of them)...In Epirus at least there are also many people with Arvanite or Vlach origins, like my family who has both. In the Peloponnese there are many Arvanites too.
The last results are mine. My high Aegean is comparable to the person's from Albania, I would think. In my case, the high Aegean can be also my father's input (Kephalonia and Kea). However even he seems to have minor Arvanite admixture. One branch of my mom's family were Arvanites. Another 2 branches had been Vlach. It all depends on the reference populations they use for each category, as you say.

Very interesting, thanks for the info!

jonahst
07-15-2018, 11:56 PM
Updated incomplete Ashkenazi Jewish results from page 1.

Ashkenazi (East Europe):
Europe (South) 54.2%
South Italy 34.1%
Tuscany 9%
North Italy 8.1%
Iberian Peninsula 3%
Europe (North and West) 8.6%
France 5.1%
Scandinavia 1.9%
Germanic 1.7%
Europe (East) 6.9%
Northeast Europe 3.7%
Baltics 1.9%
East Balkans 1.3%
Near East 30.3%
Levant 24.5%
North Turkey 2.9%
Iran 1.5%
South Turkey 1.3%

jonahst
07-18-2018, 12:12 AM
New results:

Greek (3/4 Euboea, 1/4 Italian):
Europe (South) 67.8%
Aegean 38%
Tuscany 17.2%
South Italy 10.7%
North Italy 1.9%
Europe (East) 15%
East Balkans 13.4%
Finland and Western Russia 1.6%
Europe (North and West) 7.8%
Great Britain and Ireland 5.5%
Scandinavia 1.2%
France 1.1%Near East 9.4%
Levant 7.7%
Iran 1.7%

Frat
07-25-2018, 01:24 PM
LivingDNA is an reliable company and just gives you an honest and politics free ethnic breakdown.
On scam sites like 23andMe and AncestryDNA they give you fictitious categories like "Ashkenazi Jewish" and tell you ZERO about the REAL ethnic breakdown of that group.
Literally on the aforementioned mentioned sites they call Ashkenazi Jews "100% European" and they ascribe no middle eastern ancestry to them; also they ascribe no European sub groups to them.
How enlightening as to the origins of this group...:beerchug:
From my extensive studies all of the politicized "science" on Ashkenazi Jews is totally incorrect and off.
Ashkenazi Jews are roughly as much Turkish and Iranian as they are from the Levant and their European component is not 50% but more on the order of 65% to 70%.
LivingDNA has confirmed this repeatedly.
Some AJ, specifically J1 haplogroup will score higher Levant, but they're the minority of AJ.
J2 is all over Turkey and Iran...

Frat
07-25-2018, 01:33 PM
My results.
So what am I?
Can anyone venture to guess?

France 35.8%
Germanic 2.1%
Europe (South) 20.2%
Tuscany 10.3%
South Italy 5.1%
Iberian Peninsula 4.8%
Great Britain and Ireland 9.3%
England and Wales 9.3%
Europe (East) 2.7%
Northeast Europe 2.7%
Near East 28%
Levant 16.6%
Iran 6.4%
North Turkey 3%
South Turkey 2%
Asia (South) 1.9%
Pashtun 1.9%

kingjohn
07-25-2018, 04:23 PM
My results.
So what am I?
Can anyone venture to guess?

France 35.8%
Germanic 2.1%
Europe (South) 20.2%
Tuscany 10.3%
South Italy 5.1%
Iberian Peninsula 4.8%
Great Britain and Ireland 9.3%
England and Wales 9.3%
Europe (East) 2.7%
Northeast Europe 2.7%
Near East 28%
Levant 16.6%
Iran 6.4%
North Turkey 3%
South Turkey 2%
Asia (South) 1.9%
Pashtun 1.9%

part lebanese and part french or swiss

jonahst
07-25-2018, 05:27 PM
LivingDNA is an reliable company and just gives you an honest and politics free ethnic breakdown.
On scam sites like 23andMe and AncestryDNA they give you fictitious categories like "Ashkenazi Jewish" and tell you ZERO about the REAL ethnic breakdown of that group.
Literally on the aforementioned mentioned sites they call Ashkenazi Jews "100% European" and they ascribe no middle eastern ancestry to them; also they ascribe no European sub groups to them.
How enlightening as to the origins of this group...:beerchug:
From my extensive studies all of the politicized "science" on Ashkenazi Jews is totally incorrect and off.
Ashkenazi Jews are roughly as much Turkish and Iranian as they are from the Levant and their European component is not 50% but more on the order of 65% to 70%.
LivingDNA has confirmed this repeatedly.
Some AJ, specifically J1 haplogroup will score higher Levant, but they're the minority of AJ.
J2 is all over Turkey and Iran...

Not exactly... If you look at the results on page 1, Ashkenazi Jews typically get 15-25% Levant and only a few % Iranian or North Turkey (South Turkey is basically northern Levantine). Pretty much all genetic tests, studies, and DIY calculators confirm this.

Ashkenazi (East Europe):
Europe (South) 54.2%
South Italy 34.1%
Tuscany 9%
North Italy 8.1%
Iberian Peninsula 3%
Europe (North and West) 8.6%
France 5.1%
Scandinavia 1.9%
Germanic 1.7%
Europe (East) 6.9%
Northeast Europe 3.7%
Baltics 1.9%
East Balkans 1.3%
Near East 30.3%
Levant 24.5%
North Turkey 2.9%
Iran 1.5%
South Turkey 1.3%

Also, Levantine Christians (Lebanese and Palestinian) score about 45% Southern Europe in Living DNA, compared to Ashkenazim scoring about 55-60% Southern Europe and 65-70% Europe in total.

Lebanese Christian:
Near East 48.3%
Levant 47%
Iran 1.3%
Europe (South) 46.8%
Tuscany 22.4%
South Italy 22.3%
Sardinia 2.1%
Asia (South) 4.9%
Pashtun 3.6%
Sindh 1.3%

That being said, I agree with you that commercial tests that have an "Ashkenazi" category are misleading and frustrating since they basically ignore the complex and geographically-diverse origins of the group.

jonahst
07-25-2018, 05:36 PM
Some AJ, specifically J1 haplogroup will score higher Levant, but they're the minority of AJ.
J2 is all over Turkey and Iran...

I'm also not sure how much correlation there is between Y DNA haplogroup and overall autosomal makeup. J1 is prevalent throughout the Arabian Peninsula while J2 is prevalent in the Levant, especially among Lebanese Christians. Subclades of these haplogroups are more informative of recent origins than the general haplogroup.

For instance, most of the R1a haplogroups in Ashkenazim are West Asian rather than Eastern European. Similarly, my haplogroup, Q, is most prevalent in Central Asia and the Americas, but my broadest subclade, Q1b, is mostly present in West Asia and South Asia. These split apart 15,000 years ago. My and other Ashkenazi specific Q1b subclades are most closely-related to a Sicilian subclade and, next, Iraqi/Assyrian subclades. These split apart around 1-2,000 years ago.

jonahst
07-26-2018, 02:51 AM
Also, I'll guess that you're half French, half Syrian Christian.

Frat2
07-26-2018, 01:33 PM
I'm also not sure how much correlation there is between Y DNA haplogroup and overall autosomal makeup. J1 is prevalent throughout the Arabian Peninsula while J2 is prevalent in the Levant, especially among Lebanese Christians. Subclades of these haplogroups are more informative of recent origins than the general haplogroup.

For instance, most of the R1a haplogroups in Ashkenazim are West Asian rather than Eastern European. Similarly, my haplogroup, Q, is most prevalent in Central Asia and the Americas, but my broadest subclade, Q1b, is mostly present in West Asia and South Asia. These split apart 15,000 years ago. My and other Ashkenazi specific Q1b subclades are most closely-related to a Sicilian subclade and, next, Iraqi/Assyrian subclades. These split apart around 1-2,000 years ago.
My subclade of J2 is much more prevalent in Anatolia/Caucasia/Iran and the Aegean/North central Italy.
I don't believe J2 has middle eastern origins at all, it spread to the middle east either from Anatolia/Iran or Caucasia, possibly the Agean seafaring peoples brought it to the Levant

Frat2
07-26-2018, 01:34 PM
Also, I'll guess that you're half French, half Syrian Christian.
Nobody in my family is either known to be French or Christian (big clue).
I'm not an Arab and neither are any of my family.


Lebanese Christians are marginally different than Syrian Christians, can't see how my Levant score of 16% could possibly be interpreted as half Syrian Christian...


Lebanese Christian:
Near East 48.3%
Levant 47%
Iran 1.3%
Europe (South) 46.8%
Tuscany 22.4%
South Italy 22.3%
Sardinia 2.1%
Asia (South) 4.9%
Pashtun 3.6%
Sindh 1.3%

jonahst
07-26-2018, 04:38 PM
My subclade of J2 is much more prevalent in Anatolia/Caucasia/Iran and the Aegean/North central Italy.
I don't believe J2 has middle eastern origins at all, it spread to the middle east either from Anatolia/Iran or Caucasia, possibly the Agean seafaring peoples brought it to the Levant

And J1 is most prevalent in Southern Arabia. There's no haplogroup that peaks in the Levant. Ashkenazi Y DNA haplogroup distribution is extremely similar to other Levantine groups' haplogroup distribution with J1, J2, and E1b1b1 making up around 60%. Sephardi Jews also have a higher proportion of J2 vs J1.

J2 arrived in the Levant long before Jews formed as a distinct group and it is also present among a substantial proportion of modern day Samaritans.

The idea that only J1 would reflect Levantine origins is baseless and, again, haplogroup has a minimal impact on overall autosomal DNA. Pretty much all of the studies and calculators show Ashkenazi Middle Eastern ancestry to be primarily Levantine, with relatively little Iranian or North Turkish/Caucasus ancestry.

jonahst
07-26-2018, 04:42 PM
Nobody in my family is either known to be French or Christian (big clue).
I'm not an Arab and neither are any of my family.

Dutch Jew? The France seems way too high to be any other type of full Jew.

Frat2
07-26-2018, 08:00 PM
And J1 is most prevalent in Southern Arabia. There's no haplogroup that peaks in the Levant. Ashkenazi Y DNA haplogroup distribution is extremely similar to other Levantine groups' haplogroup distribution with J1, J2, and E1b1b1 making up around 60%. Sephardi Jews also have a higher proportion of J2 vs J1.

J2 arrived in the Levant long before Jews formed as a distinct group and it is also present among a substantial proportion of modern day Samaritans.

The idea that only J1 would reflect Levantine origins is baseless and, again, haplogroup has a minimal impact on overall autosomal DNA. Pretty much all of the studies and calculators show Ashkenazi Middle Eastern ancestry to be primarily Levantine, with relatively little Iranian or North Turkish/Caucasus ancestry.
GEDmatch is garbage for ADMIXED populations and a grab-bag of unreliable results.
No way in the world that Ashkenazi Jews are predominantly Middle Eastern.
Most POLITICIZED studies show that AJ are HALF middle eastern, but they're under-counting both Eastern Euro and NW Euro ancestry and underestimating Greco-Roman ancestry as well.

The Time and Place of European Admixture in Ashkenazi Jewish History, James Xue et al, has it about right.
You should read it.
The only problem with that study is that he didn't include any samples from the Caucasus region.
Ashkenazi Jews have genetic affinity with Adyghe people of the Northern Caucuses.

My J-M67 haplogroup is massively embedded deeply in the Caucasus region, BTW...


J2 arrived in the Levant long before Jews formed as a distinct group and it is also present among a substantial proportion of modern day Samaritans.
It's much more substantial in Anatolia, Caucasus and of course the Aegean Greeks and also all over south and central Italy.

Frat2
07-26-2018, 08:23 PM
Dutch Jew? The France seems way too high to be any other type of full Jew.
4 Eastern Euro Jewish grandparents.
2 of my grandparents were fluent Yiddish speakers and the other 2 were Orthodox Jews descended from Rabbis.
Ashkenazim maternal haplogroups that you discount as having "minimal impact on overall autosomal DNA" are overwhelmingly of European origin and even some of the few "middle eastern" haplogroups have been in Europe since the end of the ice age.
Plenty of European haplogroups in the paternal line, as you pointed out with Dutch Jews...

kingjohn
07-26-2018, 09:48 PM
4 Eastern Euro Jewish grandparents.
2 of my grandparents were fluent Yiddish speakers and the other 2 were Orthodox Jews descended from Rabbis.
Ashkenazim maternal haplogroups that you discount as having "minimal impact on overall autosomal DNA" are overwhelmingly of European origin and even some of the few "middle eastern" haplogroups have been in Europe since the end of the ice age.
Plenty of European haplogroups in the paternal line, as you pointed out with Dutch Jews...

but why you score huge france in the complete mode ?
you do know that they used northern french reference for the french cluster
they say themselves in the france cluster description ....
what are you a lost norman :)

jonahst
07-26-2018, 11:59 PM
GEDmatch is garbage for ADMIXED populations and a grab-bag of unreliable results.
No way in the world that Ashkenazi Jews are predominantly Middle Eastern.
Most POLITICIZED studies show that AJ are HALF middle eastern, but they're under-counting both Eastern Euro and NW Euro ancestry and underestimating Greco-Roman ancestry as well.

The Time and Place of European Admixture in Ashkenazi Jewish History, James Xue et al, has it about right.
You should read it.
The only problem with that study is that he didn't include any samples from the Caucasus region.
Ashkenazi Jews have genetic affinity with Adyghe people of the Northern Caucuses.

My J-M67 haplogroup is massively embedded deeply in the Caucasus region, BTW...


It's much more substantial in Anatolia, Caucasus and of course the Aegean Greeks and also all over south and central Italy.

GEDmatch isn't garbage... it's extremely accurate most of the time in identifying Ashkenazi. Sounds like you're approaching this with huge preconceptions. If anything, from Living DNA and other calculators, the Eastern Euro in most academic studies seems to be heavily exaggerated. I get around 5% in both Living DNA and Teloyears, which also doesn't have an Ashkenazi category.

The Xue study is a good study, and models it as around 50/50 (though it has alternative models), but again this vastly overestimates the Eastern Euro.

I've seen no evidence of any significant affinity to any populations in the Northern Caucasus. Living DNA doesn't show this at all. Even though I, as somewhat of an anomaly from the results I've seen, score around 5% Northern Caucasus in Living DNA, I'm still overwhelmingly Mediterranean. By far the most similar non-Jewish results to mine were Cypriot, while Kurds get completely different results that are far more skewed toward Iran and the Caucasus.

What's your J2 subclade? Again, J2 is extremely prevalent in modern and ancient Levantine populations, including Lebanese (especially Christians) and Samaritans, as well as Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews. J1 is only more prevalent among Muslims, especially Bedouins.

Sounds like you've reached conclusions without any evidence.

jonahst
07-27-2018, 12:04 AM
4 Eastern Euro Jewish grandparents.
2 of my grandparents were fluent Yiddish speakers and the other 2 were Orthodox Jews descended from Rabbis.
Ashkenazim maternal haplogroups that you discount as having "minimal impact on overall autosomal DNA" are overwhelmingly of European origin and even some of the few "middle eastern" haplogroups have been in Europe since the end of the ice age.
Plenty of European haplogroups in the paternal line, as you pointed out with Dutch Jews...

Very bizarre then, maybe you're an anomaly, or maybe one of your grandparents was adopted.

Have you done other tests that have Ashkenazi category? While there is variance among Ashkenazim in terms of how much South Euro vs Near East they get, I haven't seen anyone get so much NW Euro. What do you get in Cautious? Could a lot of the France be Southern French?

I never said that population-wide haplogroup distribution has minimal implications, I said that person's individual haplogroup isn't going to completely change their autosomal results. Yes, the mtDNA is primarily European while our Y DNA is primarily Middle Eastern and very consistent with Levantine populations. This translates to 50/50.

Dutch Jews are also an exception in this regard among Ashkenazim.

Anyway, your results don't support your theory at all. They still support Levantine origin, you just have very elevated NW Euro. What's interesting about your results is that you lack most of the South Italy that's dominant in all other Ashkenazim, and it seems to be replaced by the French, which makes me think it might be southern French

Claudio
07-30-2018, 11:47 AM
My results.
So what am I?
Can anyone venture to guess?

France 35.8%
Germanic 2.1%
Europe (South) 20.2%
Tuscany 10.3%
South Italy 5.1%
Iberian Peninsula 4.8%
Great Britain and Ireland 9.3%
England and Wales 9.3%
Europe (East) 2.7%
Northeast Europe 2.7%
Near East 28%
Levant 16.6%
Iran 6.4%
North Turkey 3%
South Turkey 2%
Asia (South) 1.9%
Pashtun 1.9%

Have you tested with any other DNA testing company that has Ashkenazi catergory?
23andMe? AncestryDNA? FTDNA? MyHeritage?
I would be interested what they make of you?

Claudio
07-30-2018, 11:54 AM
4 Eastern Euro Jewish grandparents.
2 of my grandparents were fluent Yiddish speakers and the other 2 were Orthodox Jews descended from Rabbis.
Ashkenazim maternal haplogroups that you discount as having "minimal impact on overall autosomal DNA" are overwhelmingly of European origin and even some of the few "middle eastern" haplogroups have been in Europe since the end of the ice age.
Plenty of European haplogroups in the paternal line, as you pointed out with Dutch Jews...

4 Eastern Euro Grandparent?
Maybe 2 of your grandparents are highly Euro mixed Eastern Ashkenazim and other 2 grandparents are opposite and counteract this in your results and are highly of Byzantine,Mizrahi,high near Eastern Admixture.

kingjohn
07-30-2018, 12:27 PM
4 Eastern Euro Grandparent?
Maybe 2 of your grandparents are highly Euro mixed Eastern Ashkenazim and other 2 grandparents are opposite and counteract this in your results and are highly of Byzantine,Mizrahi,high near Eastern Admixture.

i would go for dutch jews as someone here sugested before
his france his huge .....

Claudio
07-30-2018, 03:33 PM
i would go for dutch jews as someone here sugested before
his france his huge .....

Would like to see what he on scores on Eurogenes K13.

jonahst
07-30-2018, 09:07 PM
What's strange about his results is that his France (35%) and South Italy (5%) are almost perfectly inverted compared to my and many other Ashkenazi results. I have no idea why this would be, but I would like to see his Cautious results.

The 9% Great Britain is also very bizarre for a full Ashkenazi.

Targum
07-30-2018, 09:30 PM
What's strange about his results is that his France (35%) and South Italy (5%) are almost perfectly inverted compared to my and many other Ashkenazi results. I have no idea why this would be, but I would like to see his Cautious results.

The 9% Great Britain is also very bizarre for a full Ashkenazi.
I agree; not saying I doubt the veracity; just that these are extreme outlier results. I would not be surprised if there was a ger/giyoret (convert) in recent generations he is not aware of. I know of many such cases.

jonahst
08-06-2018, 02:40 PM
Sicilian/South Italian (1/2 Naples)
Europe (South) 73.6%
Tuscany 26.5%
South Italy 16.9%
North Italy 15.7%
Iberian Peninsula 10.1%
Sardinia 2.9%
Aegean 1.5%
Europe (North and West) 7.7%
Germanic 5.1%
Scandinavia 2.5%
Great Britain and Ireland 2.8%
England and Wales 2.8%
Near East 13.7%
Levant 9.8%
North Turkey 3.9%
Asia (South) 2.3%
Sindh 2.3%

Reddo98
08-28-2018, 04:48 PM
Levantines are scoring a lot of Italy but that's misrepresenting the gene flow direction and due to Levantine admixture in Italy, plus possible minor Norman in the Levant from the Crusades. Even the Bahraini scores Italy... but the Sicilian isn't scoring Levant because the South Italy cluster is a partial stand in.

Greeks appear between south Italy and Balkan as expected due to Slavic input but why is Albania scoring the most Aegean??

Total fraud Sick-alot.
So where is my Levantine hiding?
In my 5% south Italian or 10% Tuscany?
Are you going to now argue that 100% of south Italian and Tuscany is from the Levant?
Even if that was true, which we both know it isn't, I would still only be 31% Levant.

Are my Ashkenazi results typical?
Maybe not, due to my elevated western Euro, but there is basically little to no actual Ashkenazi living DNA results on this site, only a handful posted...
100% of my matches on GEDmatch are Ashkenazi Jews and most score full Jewish or near full Jewish on the J-test.
Many Ashkenazi Jews bury me with high Eastern Euro or Spanish scores that dwarf my own and many Ashkenazi Jews have significant UK ancestry as well.
And NO sick-alot, Spain and Eastern Europe/UK aren't hiding Levantine scores.


Here are my full Ashkenazi living DNA results.

My full Ashkenazi Jewish livingDNA results:

Europe 70.1%

Europe (North and West) 37.9%

France 35.8%

Germanic 2.1%

Europe (South) 20.2%

Tuscany 10.3%

South Italy 5.1%

Iberian Peninsula 4.8%

Great Britain and Ireland 9.3%

England and Wales 9.3%

Europe (East) 2.7%

Northeast Europe 2.7%

Near East 28%

Levant 16.6%

Iran 6.4%

North Turkey 3%

South Turkey 2%

Asia (South) 1.9%

Pashtun 1.9%





Levantines are scoring a lot of Italy but that's misrepresenting the gene flow direction and due to Levantine admixture in Italy, plus possible minor Norman in the Levant from the Crusades. Even the Bahraini scores Italy... but the Sicilian isn't scoring Levant because the South Italy cluster is a partial stand in.
You're a total fraud Sick-alot.
No wonder Apecity is a dead site.

Central italian{lazio} living dna results:

Europe 77.6%
Europe (South) 61.3%
South Italy 24.6%
Tuscany 19.8%
Iberian Peninsula 9.8%
Aegean 3.8%
North Italy 1.8%
Sardinia 1.3%
Great Britain and Ireland 15.1%
Southeast England 3.8%
East Anglia 2.9%
South England 2.5%
Northumbria 2.1%
South Wales Border 2%
South Central England 1.8%
Europe (East) 1.2%
West Balkans 1.2%
Near East 20.7%
Levant 11%
North Turkey 9.8%
Asia (South) 1.6%
Balochistan 1.6%

kingjohn
08-28-2018, 04:57 PM
Total fraud Sick-alot.
So where is my Levantine hiding?
In my 5% south Italian or 10% Tuscany?
Are you going to now argue that 100% of south Italian and Tuscany is from the Levant?
Even if that was true, which we both know it isn't, I would still only be 31% Levant.

Are my Ashkenazi results typical?
Maybe not, due to my elevated western Euro, but there is basically little to no actual Ashkenazi living DNA results on this site, only a handful posted...
100% of my matches on GEDmatch are Ashkenazi Jews and most score full Jewish or near full Jewish on the J-test.
Many Ashkenazi Jews bury me with high Eastern Euro or Spanish scores that dwarf my own and many Ashkenazi Jews have significant UK ancestry as well.
And NO sick-alot, Spain and Eastern Europe/UK aren't hiding Levantine scores.


Here are my full Ashkenazi living DNA results.

My full Ashkenazi Jewish livingDNA results:

Europe 70.1%

Europe (North and West) 37.9%

France 35.8%

Germanic 2.1%

Europe (South) 20.2%

Tuscany 10.3%

South Italy 5.1%

Iberian Peninsula 4.8%

Great Britain and Ireland 9.3%

England and Wales 9.3%

Europe (East) 2.7%

Northeast Europe 2.7%

Near East 28%

Levant 16.6%

Iran 6.4%

North Turkey 3%

South Turkey 2%

Asia (South) 1.9%

Pashtun 1.9%





You're a total fraud Sick-alot.
No wonder Apecity is a dead site.

Central italian{lazio} living dna results:

Europe 77.6%
Europe (South) 61.3%
South Italy 24.6%
Tuscany 19.8%
Iberian Peninsula 9.8%
Aegean 3.8%
North Italy 1.8%
Sardinia 1.3%
Great Britain and Ireland 15.1%
Southeast England 3.8%
East Anglia 2.9%
South England 2.5%
Northumbria 2.1%
South Wales Border 2%
South Central England 1.8%
Europe (East) 1.2%
West Balkans 1.2%
Near East 20.7%
Levant 11%
North Turkey 9.8%
Asia (South) 1.6%
Balochistan 1.6%

show me another full aschenazi or part aschenazi who score 35 % france in a complete mode ;)
common i am waiting .....
your results are not typical for aschenazi ....
you shouldn't be that mad thats reality .......

Reddo98
08-28-2018, 05:51 PM
show me another full aschenazi or part aschenazi who score 35 % france in a complete mode ;)
common i am waiting .....
your results are not typical for aschenazi ....
you shouldn't be that mad thats reality .......

You totally missed my point.
Not surprised, even the better posters on this site are slow on the uptake...

My South Italian is only 5% and Tuscany 10%.
BUT, my Levant score is 16% and on par with many/most AJ on LivingDNA.
So that was my point KingJohn.
If South Italian in AJ at 35% is hiding extra Levant, then why do I with only 5% south Italian score the same Levant as them?

Even if my 5% South Italian was 100% East med, I would still only be 21% Levant.
I guess you could argue that Tuscany is fully Levantine if you want, even then, I would still only be 31% Levantine...
Get it now John?:noidea:

Reddo98
08-28-2018, 05:58 PM
show me another full aschenazi or part aschenazi who score 35 % france in a complete mode ;)
common i am waiting .....
your results are not typical for aschenazi ....
you shouldn't be that mad thats reality .......


show me another full aschenazi or part aschenazi who score 35 % france in a complete mode ;)
LivingDNA results are very hard to come by and even on this site are far and few between.
Nearly all LivingDNA users aren't Jews and finding Jewish sample online is very difficult.
I can however show you my long list of Jewish GEDmatch matches.
You John, have maybe posted 4 or 5 ALLEGED LivingDNA results of AJ, without a screen shot off the site, and somehow you're an expert on the subject of what AJ score on LivingDNA?

Reddo98
08-28-2018, 06:33 PM
show me another full aschenazi or part aschenazi who score 35 % france in a complete mode
common i am waiting .....
your results are not typical for aschenazi ....
you shouldn't be that mad thats reality .......

Did you just post incredulously and dare me to find a "Part Ashkenazi" that scored significant french?
You have to be kidding me?
You don't even think that part Ashkenazi Jews can even have significant French scores?
Ashkenazi Jews ancestors have lived in France for 2000 years.

There is evidence of a French Jewish community in the year 39 at Lugdunum (i.e. Lyon)
I never said my French results are typical for Ashkenazi Jews, my point was my LEVANT score is typical with full AJ on LivingDNA...

Meaning south Italian and Tuscany is NOT hiding Levantine ancestry and AJ are relativity low scoring in Levant ancestry.
BTW John, you might want to learn how to spell ASHKENAZI before you claim to be an expert on the subject...


aschenazi
You have repeatedly misspelled this on all your threads...

kingjohn
08-28-2018, 06:48 PM
Did you just post incredulously and dare me to find a "Part Ashkenazi" that scored significant french?
You have to be kidding me?
You don't even think that part Ashkenazi Jews can even have significant French scores?
Ashkenazi Jews ancestors have lived in France for 2000 years.

There is evidence of a French Jewish community in the year 39 at Lugdunum (i.e. Lyon)
I never said my French results are typical for Ashkenazi Jews, my point was my LEVANT score is typical with full AJ on LivingDNA...

Meaning south Italian and Tuscany is NOT hiding Levantine ancestry and AJ are relativity low scoring in Levant ancestry.
BTW John, you might want to learn how to spell ASHKENAZI before you claim to be an expert on the subject...


You have repeatedly misspelled this on all your threads...

who say i am a damn expert i am not .....
if you speak on the levant i agree with you that you might have a point
but can you explain to me why Lebanese in living dna {score total 40% south italy+ tuscany} .... ???????:\

jonahst
08-28-2018, 07:57 PM
LivingDNA results are very hard to come by and even on this site are far and few between.
Nearly all LivingDNA users aren't Jews and finding Jewish sample online is very difficult.
I can however show you my long list of Jewish GEDmatch matches.
You John, have maybe posted 4 or 5 ALLEGED LivingDNA results of AJ, without a screen shot off the site, and somehow you're an expert on the subject of what AJ score on LivingDNA?

Hi Sam Green from Quora, nice to see you made another Anthrogenica account.

Insulting people doesn't do you any favors.

First, it sounds like you might be confusing KingJohn with me, who you repeatedly called "Josh" on Quora. His actual name is Adam and we are very much different people.

All of the results I posted are from the Living DNA Users Facebook group, YouTube, Anthrogenica, and other similar anthropology forums. I believe they're all publicly viewable, but I will not show screenshots or names to respect the peoples' privacy. With a little bit of Googling, you shouldn't have too much difficulty finding them. None of them are fabricated or altered at all. Such an accusation doesn't even make sense. Don't you think I'd make them a little bit more consistent? What's clear is that Living DNA's analyses for Mediterranean (except Iberian) and Middle Eastern populations are very much a work in progress.

You've repeatedly dismissed all other Ashkenazi and other Jewish results in favor of your own anomalous results to draw otherwise-baseless conclusions. You are the only Jewish or Levantine person that hasn't received at least ~20% South Italy, so clearly you're an outlier. Keep in mind that Living DNA writes this about their France category: "The DNA of people from France in our reference dataset is intermediate between Northern and Southern European DNA, with few genetic regions or mutations that are unique to French people."

What I find particularly telling is that you pick and choose specific results that I posted here to prove a pre-conceived conclusion while ignoring the majority of results that don't support your claims.

In pretty much all studies of Ashkenazi Jews, there are a few outliers who cluster much closer to Europe than the bulk. Perhaps you are one of these. I would love to see your Eurogenes K13 and K36 results, they might be revealing.

As KingJohn mentioned and as I have mentioned repeatedly, the fact that both Levantine Christians samples we have only scored ~45% Levantine and ~45% Southern European (mostly South Italy and Tuscany) very clearly illustrates that these results cannot be taken literally. The fact that a Cypriot also scored a similar amount of "South Italy" as most Ashkenazi Jews here also reaffirms my assertion that "South Italy" is partly East Med.

On top of all that, ignoring academic studies and non-GEDmatch DIY calculator results (that show heavy Levantine and low Iranian in my and my parents' results), here are my results from TeloYears. It's a new company and I don't have other results to compare these to, but they claim to use very sophisticated technology (blood instead of spit) and most of their results are consistent with everything else I've seen. They are a bit confusing because the European is broken down twice in different ways (I think the second is more accurate because it's supposed to be a more detailed breakdown of the 56% in the first chart) and the "South Asia" is clearly Iranian rather than Indian, but nonetheless they show around 33% Levant, 5% North Africa, and 7% Iranian, none of which includes the separate Turkey/Cyprus/Greece (which makes up another 10%).

25571

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jonahst
09-06-2018, 11:18 PM
Greek (Ionian and Cycladic):
Europe (South) 75.7%
Aegean 44.2%
South Italy 16.6%
Tuscany 11.3%
Iberian Peninsula 1.9%
Sardinia 1.7%
Europe (North and West) 7.5%
Scandinavia 3.4%
France 2.7%
Germanic 1.4%
Great Britain and Ireland 5.6%
England and Wales 5.6%
Europe (East) 5.3%
Pannonia 2.1%
East Balkans 2%
Finland and Western Russia 1.2%
Near East 5.9%
Iran 3.6%
Kurdish 2.3%

Edessa
09-13-2018, 04:19 PM
My results, any guesses?

Europe 55.9%
Europe (South) 19.6%
Tuscany 10%
Aegean 8.2%
South Italy 1.4%
Europe (East) 19.5%
Finland and Western Russia 6.7%
Baltics 4%
Pannonia 2.2%
Northeast Europe 2%
Mordovia 1.8%
West Balkans 1.6%
East Balkans 1.2%
Europe (North and West) 13.5%
Germanic 7.8%
Scandinavia 3.5%
France 2.2%
Great Britain and Ireland 3.3%
England and Wales 3.3%
Near East 38.8%
Iran 37.4%
Levant 1.4%
Asia (South) 4.1%
Sindh 4.1%
Asia (Central) 1.2%
Chechnya 1.2%

kingjohn
09-13-2018, 06:28 PM
My results, any guesses?

Europe 55.9%
Europe (South) 19.6%
Tuscany 10%
Aegean 8.2%
South Italy 1.4%
Europe (East) 19.5%
Finland and Western Russia 6.7%
Baltics 4%
Pannonia 2.2%
Northeast Europe 2%
Mordovia 1.8%
West Balkans 1.6%
East Balkans 1.2%
Europe (North and West) 13.5%
Germanic 7.8%
Scandinavia 3.5%
France 2.2%
Great Britain and Ireland 3.3%
England and Wales 3.3%
Near East 38.8%
Iran 37.4%
Levant 1.4%
Asia (South) 4.1%
Sindh 4.1%
Asia (Central) 1.2%
Chechnya 1.2%

half slovak or half hungarian / half iranian

jonahst
10-14-2018, 07:27 PM
These look like an improvement in accuracy. Hopefully a good omen and will be applied to previous results!

Lebanese Christian:

Near East 73.4%
Levant 56.4%
Iran 9.3%
North Turkey 6.4%
South Turkey 1.3%

Europe (South) 19.8%
South Italy 14.2%
Aegean 4.5%
Sardinia 1.1%

Europe (East) 1.3%
East Balkans 1.3%

Asia (South) 5.5%
Pashtun 4.3%
Sindh 1.2%

jonahst
11-07-2018, 04:07 PM
New results:

Sicilian (Palermo):
Europe (South) 76.2%
South Italy 25.1%
Aegean 23.8%
Tuscany 21%
Iberian Peninsula 3.6%
North Italy 2.6%
Europe (North and West) 8%
France 5.1%
Germanic 2.9%
Great Britain and Ireland 7.6%
England and Wales 7.6%
Near East 8.2%
Levant 5.4%
South Turkey 1.5%
North Turkey 1.3%

jonahst
11-10-2018, 04:21 PM
Algerian:
Europe (South) 56.3%
South Italy 34.7%
Iberian Peninsula 11.3%
Tuscany 5.9%
Sardinia 1.4%
Great Britain and Ireland 3.1%
England and Wales 3.1%
Africa 22.7%
North Africa 9.6%
Yorubaland 6.5%
Mandinka 3.7%
Nilotic Peoples 3%
Near East 19.8%
Levant 15.2%
Arabia 4.6%
Asia (East) 1.1%
South China 1.1%

jonahst
11-23-2018, 04:22 AM
Turkish:
Near East 59.2%
Iran 35.4%
Kurdish 17.1%
North Turkey 6.7%
Europe (South) 25.4%
South Italy 18.2%
Tuscany 5.6%
Aegean 1.7%
Great Britain and Ireland 9.4%
England and Wales 9.4%
Asia (Central) 3.1%
Northwest Caucasus 3.1%
Asia (South) 2.8%
Sindh 2.8%

LTG
11-23-2018, 07:07 PM
Turkish:
Near East 59.2%
Iran 35.4%
Kurdish 17.1%
North Turkey 6.7%
Europe (South) 25.4%
South Italy 18.2%
Tuscany 5.6%
Aegean 1.7%
Great Britain and Ireland 9.4%
England and Wales 9.4%
Asia (Central) 3.1%
Northwest Caucasus 3.1%
Asia (South) 2.8%
Sindh 2.8%

Do you know where in Turkey this individual is from? 9.4% British and Irish seems a little strange for a Turk.

jonahst
11-24-2018, 06:14 PM
Do you know where in Turkey this individual is from? 9.4% British and Irish seems a little strange for a Turk.

No idea, she has a YouTube video, but I couldn't find out where in Turkey her family's from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNJIxgUBc8

On the other hand, here's another Turk, who just posted their results from an third party upload. They say their ancestors come from Uzbek Daraxta, but I can't find where that is.

Turkish (Uzbek Daraxta):
Near East 79.6%
Iran 38.4%
South Turkey 31.5%
North Turkey 5.4%
Kurdish 4.4%
Asia (Central) 8.1%
Northern Central Asia 4.3%
Northwest Caucasus 3.8%
Asia (South) 7.6%
Pashtun 5.4%
Sindh 2.1%
Asia (East) 4.6%
Mongolia and Manchuria 4.6%

I think this is the first Middle Easterner without any "European!"

JerryS.
11-24-2018, 06:27 PM
it would seem those two Turkish kits indicate that Turkey is not as homogenous as one might think... based on migration and trade (the Mediterranean coast on the west and the inland mountains in east maybe)?

jonahst
11-24-2018, 06:34 PM
it would seem those two Turkish kits indicate that Turkey is not as homogenous as one might think... based on migration and trade (the Mediterranean coast on the west and the inland mountains in east maybe)?

No doubt Turkey is extremely diverse. That being said, the Kurds whose results I posted also have very diverse results. Part of it Living DNA's inconsistency with West Asian populations because they try to be specific and probably don't have enough samples yet.

LTG
11-24-2018, 07:49 PM
it would seem those two Turkish kits indicate that Turkey is not as homogenous as one might think... based on migration and trade (the Mediterranean coast on the west and the inland mountains in east maybe)?

Anatolia in general is probably one of the most fascinating places in West Eurasia simply because of how ethnically diverse and rich it's history is, not to mention the beauty of the place. I actually visited Istanbul earlier this year, which was the first time I had ever been to Turkey, and it was interesting to see how some Turks look strongly Turkic, whilst others may look Caucasian, Slavic or Mediterranean.

Turkey is perhaps one of the greatest examples we have in the Old World of a genetically diverse nation that is so strongly united under one common ethnos, it is quite impressive.

ianz91
11-24-2018, 07:59 PM
I watched a Turkish movie a while back called "Mustang" and was pretty shocked how "European" the girls looked, so yeah I'd say Turkey can be pretty diverse

LTG
11-24-2018, 08:00 PM
No idea, she has a YouTube video, but I couldn't find out where in Turkey her family's from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNJIxgUBc8

On the other hand, here's another Turk, who just posted their results from an third party upload. They say their ancestors come from Uzbek Daraxta, but I can't find where that is.

Turkish (Uzbek Daraxta):
Near East 79.6%
Iran 38.4%
South Turkey 31.5%
North Turkey 5.4%
Kurdish 4.4%
Asia (Central) 8.1%
Northern Central Asia 4.3%
Northwest Caucasus 3.8%
Asia (South) 7.6%
Pashtun 5.4%
Sindh 2.1%
Asia (East) 4.6%
Mongolia and Manchuria 4.6%

I think this is the first Middle Easterner without any "European!"

I too have never heard of Uzbek Daraxta but based on the name, lack of Southern European/Roman admixture and the elevated Mongolian I would imagine they're quite Eastern. I think when it comes to LivingDNA, their focus on British ancestry seems to have led to them overstating this admixture - I just today got my results back from a free upload and they are as follows:

Europe (North and West) 46.7%
Germanic 46.7%
Europe (South) 25.6%
Tuscany 25.6%
Great Britain and Ireland 15.9%
Scotland and Ireland 15.9%
Near East 9.5%
North Turkey 5%
Iran 2.4%
Levant 2.2%
Asia (Central) 2.2%
Chechnya 2.2%

Not too inaccurate really, but they do give me an extra 10% more Northwest European than I actually am. If that extra 10% was a mix of Southern Europe and Near East it would be pretty spot on and match AncestryDNA.

jonahst
11-24-2018, 08:47 PM
I too have never heard of Uzbek Daraxta but based on the name, lack of Southern European/Roman admixture and the elevated Mongolian I would imagine they're quite Eastern. I think when it comes to LivingDNA, their focus on British ancestry seems to have led to them overstating this admixture - I just today got my results back from a free upload and they are as follows:

Europe (North and West) 46.7%
Germanic 46.7%
Europe (South) 25.6%
Tuscany 25.6%
Great Britain and Ireland 15.9%
Scotland and Ireland 15.9%
Near East 9.5%
North Turkey 5%
Iran 2.4%
Levant 2.2%
Asia (Central) 2.2%
Chechnya 2.2%

Not too inaccurate really, but they do give me an extra 10% more Northwest European than I actually am. If that extra 10% was a mix of Southern Europe and Near East it would be pretty spot on and match AncestryDNA.

I also just got my and my parents' results from uploads today. I posted them here: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14841-LivingDNA-Partnering-with-FindMyPast&p=520103&viewfull=1#post520103

I'm going to format them for this thread and post them soon. They're interesting. My parents' results are more consistent with my original Living DNA results, but more "European." And strangely, they seem to have moved any NW European ancestry into inflated NE European and Iberian ancestry. I'm not gonna lie, I like my new FTDNA results, but I'll take them with a grain of salt ;)

I'm hoping they'll continue to update these and correct the inflated "South Italy" and other "Italian" admixture in Middle Eastern and Mediterranean populations, as has been evident from earlier results I posted here.

LTG
11-24-2018, 09:21 PM
I also just got my and my parents' results from uploads today. I posted them here: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14841-LivingDNA-Partnering-with-FindMyPast&p=520103&viewfull=1#post520103

I'm going to format them for this thread and post them soon. They're interesting. My parents' results are more consistent with my original Living DNA results, but more "European." And strangely, they seem to have moved any NW European ancestry into inflated NE European and Iberian ancestry. I'm not gonna lie, I like my new FTDNA results, but I'll take them with a grain of salt ;)

I'm hoping they'll continue to update these and correct the inflated "South Italy" and other "Italian" admixture in Middle Eastern and Mediterranean populations, as has been evident from earlier results I posted here.

LivingDNA has always appeared to be quite good for Jews, for the simple fact that they don't have some ridiculous 'Ashkenazi Jewish' category like other companies do. Now, that's good for individuals that may not know they have Jewish ancestry, as it provides a nice little % that they can identify as purely Jewish, but for individuals like yourself that may want a 'component' based breakdown of the Jewish genome it's an issue - LivingDNA obviously makes that possible. Iberian does however seem strange.

The strange thing about the Southern Italian category is that for some results it makes a lot of sense, others it does not. I saw a Lebanese guy get 75% Near East and 25% South Italy, which kind of adds up because in Global 25 it's blatantly obvious Lebanese can be modelled with a lot of extra Southern European/Mycenaean/Steppe type stuff that pulls them away from Samaritans for example. At the same time, I've seen a Georgian Jewish guy get something like 50% South Italy which is just madness really. The Turk earlier in the thread who scored 25% South Italy I can believe, because Turkish people have a lot of that type of admixture especially close to the Aegean regions.

Strangely, my South European admixture is shown as Tuscany and not the mix of Greek, Aegean and South Italy I expected it to be. I guess you just have to look at the broad strokes in these autosomal tests, for me AncestryDNA is still the most accurate.

vettor
11-24-2018, 09:23 PM
it would seem those two Turkish kits indicate that Turkey is not as homogenous as one might think... based on migration and trade (the Mediterranean coast on the west and the inland mountains in east maybe)?

Since turkic people entered anatolia just over a 1000 years ago , it seems reasonable

jonahst
11-24-2018, 09:28 PM
LivingDNA has always appeared to be quite good for Jews, for the simple fact that they don't have some ridiculous 'Ashkenazi Jewish' category like other companies do. Now, that's good for individuals that may not know they have Jewish ancestry, as it provides a nice little % that they can identify as purely Jewish, but for individuals like yourself that may want a 'component' based breakdown of the Jewish genome it's an issue - LivingDNA obviously makes that possible. Iberian does however seem strange.

The strange thing about the Southern Italian category is that for some results it makes a lot of sense, others it does not. I saw a Lebanese guy get 75% Near East and 25% South Italy, which kind of adds up because in Global 25 it's blatantly obvious Lebanese can be modelled with a lot of extra Southern European/Mycenaean/Steppe type stuff that pulls them away from Samaritans for example. At the same time, I've seen a Georgian Jewish guy get something like 50% South Italy which is just madness really. The Turk earlier in the thread who scored 25% South Italy I can believe, because Turkish people have a lot of that type of admixture especially close to the Aegean regions.

Strangely, my South European admixture is shown as Tuscany and not the mix of Greek, Aegean and South Italy I expected it to be. I guess you just have to look at the broad strokes in these autosomal tests, for me AncestryDNA is still the most accurate.

Exactly, I agree. I think it's important for us to not take any of these results too literally. In the first page, I posted two Levantine Christians' result who both get almost 50% Southern Europe.

Lebanese Christian:
Near East 48.3%
Levant 47%
Iran 1.3%
Europe (South) 46.8%
Tuscany 22.4%
South Italy 22.3%
Sardinia 2.1%
Asia (South) 4.9%
Pashtun 3.6%
Sindh 1.3%

Palestinian-Israeli Christian (part Lebanese):
Near East 49.6%
Levant 44.3%
Iran 3.1%
North Turkey 2.2%
Europe (South) 48.8%
Tuscany 23.5%
South Italy 19.4%
North Italy 5.9%
Asia (South) 1.5%
Indian subcontinent 1.5%

The more recent Lebanese results that you mentioned (that I posted a couple pages back) seem more accurate, but my parents' results fall more in line with my earlier results. I think the "Iberian" we get is partly made up of NW European ancestry that isn't present in any of the three recent results I got, but is present in my original results and seem to be fairly pronounced in all Ashkenazi Jewish results from other calculators. Similarly, the Northeast European in my parents' results seem very inflated. My mom's should be around 2-4% and my dad's should be around 8-9%. All that being said, I like Living DNA and I hope they continue to update their results.

I should also mention that, based on what I've seen in other results, the "Tuscany" category probably has a significant Southern Caucasus element. Since Greece also seems to have some correlation with Anatolian/Southern Caucasus ancestry, they might have partly confused your Greek ancestry with that + the Near East you got. There are many other Greek results in this thread from all over that could help clarify this.

jonahst
11-24-2018, 11:59 PM
Moroccan Sephardi Jew (with later Northern Iberian Converso ancestry):
Europe (South) 70.9%
Iberian peninsula 63.4%
Sardinian 7.6%
Near East 25.8%
Levant 23.4%
Iran 2.4%
Africa 3.2%
North African 3.2%

JerryS.
11-25-2018, 12:24 AM
......

jonahst
11-27-2018, 05:26 AM
Here are my and my parents' results from the uploads. We are all Ashkenazi Jews and all of the raw data is from different companies.

First, here are my original results from Living DNA:

Europe (South) 53.1%
South Italy 31.4%
Tuscany 9%
Iberian Peninsula 6%
North Italy 5%
Sardinia 1.6%
Europe (North and West) 8.1%
France 6.4%
Germanic 1.6%
Europe (East) 4.6%
Northeast Europe 2.8%
Finland and Western Russia 1.8%
Near East 27.2%
Levant 16%
South Turkey 6.6%
Iran 2%
Arabia 1.3%
North Turkey 1.2%
Asia (Central) 5%
Northwest Caucasus 3.9%
Chechnya 1.1%
Asia (South) 2%
Sindh 2%

My new results from FTDNA raw data:
Europe (South) 61%
South Italy 31.9%
Iberian Peninsula 26.1%
Sardinia 3%
Near East 39%
Levant 34.1%
Kurdish 2.6%
Iran 2.2%

Clearly these are very homogeneous compared to my original results and compared to my parents' results below, which much more closely resemble my Living DNA results with a few exceptions that I'll point it. On one hand, they're very inaccurate because they seem to have assigned my ~12% NW European ancestry to "Iberia" and my ~4% NE European ancestry must be lost somewhere in the "Kurdish" and "Iran." On the other hand, the "Levant" % is probably more accurate than my original results and my parents' results since Living DNA regularly underestimates "Levant" in actual Levantines by around 50%.

Now, here are my parents' results. Overall, very similar to my Living DNA results, but their NW Euro all seems to have been added to inflated "Iberian" and "Northeast Europe." Maybe this was an intentional compensation by Living DNA in response to a lot of people getting inflated or non-existent NW European in earlier reports.

Dad (23andMe v5):
Europe (South) 58.2%
South Italy 36%
Tuscany 14.1%
Iberian Peninsula 8.1%
Europe (East) 14.7%
Northeast Europe 14.7%
Near East 27.1%
Levant 18.2%
North Turkey 3.8%
South Turkey 2.5%
Kurdish 1.5%
Iran 1.1%

Mom (Ancestry):
Europe (South) 78.4%
South Italy 42.3%
Iberian Peninsula 25.3%
Europe (East) 10.8%
Northeast Europe 10.8%
Near East 20%
Levant 16.1%
South Turkey 2.7%
Arabia 1.2%
Asia (South) 1.6%
Pashtun 1.6%


With everything I wrote above explaining some of the more bizarre aspects of these results, I will say that the main thing that surprised me was that apparently I inherited the "Arabia" (which was labeled as "Mandinka-related" in Cautious) from my mom. I was sure this was from my dad, who regularly gets elevated levels of East and NW African in other tests. :confused:

jonahst
11-28-2018, 02:40 AM
These are very strange, and can partly be explained by the fact that FTDNA raw data seems to yield weird results. This is the brother of the Lebanese Christian from the first page of the thread.

Lebanese Christian (FTDNA upload):
Europe (South) 52.4%
South Italy 27.2%
Tuscany 19.7%
Sardinia 5.5%
Near East 44.7%
Levant 20.7%
Iran 18.4%
North Turkey 5.6%
Asia (South) 2.9%
Pashtun 1.8%
Sindh 1.1%

In comparison, his brother:
Near East 48.3%
Levant 47%
Iran 1.3%
Europe (South) 46.8%
Tuscany 22.4%
South Italy 22.3%
Sardinia 2.1%
Asia (South) 4.9%
Pashtun 3.6%
Sindh 1.3%

jonahst
11-30-2018, 07:00 AM
Ashkenazi Jew (Northeast Europe and Romania):
Europe (South) 38.6%
South Italy 17.4%
Iberian Peninsula 9.7%
Tuscany 8.7%
Aegean 2.8%
Europe (East) 11.4%
Northeast Europe 3.4%
Baltics 3%
Pannonia 2.1%
West Balkans 1.8%
East Balkans 1.1%
Europe (North and West) 10.5%
France 7.9%
Scandinavia 1.4%
Germanic 1.1%
Great Britain and Ireland 2.4%
England and Wales 2.4%
Near East 35.9%
Levant 20.9%
North Turkey 11.1%
South Turkey 2.6%
Iran 1.2%
Africa 1.1%
North Africa 1.1%

Algerian:
Europe (South) 43.1%
Iberia and Sardinia 43.1%
Near East 34.3%
Levant 27.6%
Arabia 5.3%
Iran 1.4%
Africa 22.6%
North Africa 10.6%
Yorubaland 5.7%
Mandinka 2.8%
Nilotic Peoples 2.2%
East Africa 1.2%

Helves
12-20-2018, 12:21 PM
My results. I thought West Asians were not getting this much Euro still?

Europe 48.8%
Europe (South) 48.8%
Tuscany 48.8%

Near East 46.4%
Iran 29.9%
Levant 8.6%
North Turkey 6%
Kurdish 1.9%

Asia (South) 3.8%
Pashtun 2.1%
Sindh 1.6%

World (unassigned) 1.1%

jonahst
02-22-2019, 02:08 AM
My results. I thought West Asians were not getting this much Euro still?

Europe 48.8%
Europe (South) 48.8%
Tuscany 48.8%

Near East 46.4%
Iran 29.9%
Levant 8.6%
North Turkey 6%
Kurdish 1.9%

Asia (South) 3.8%
Pashtun 2.1%
Sindh 1.6%

World (unassigned) 1.1%

I didn't see this before, thank you for sharing! Unfortunately, I don't think the results have gotten much better, but your crazy high "Tuscany" reaffirms my suspicions about "Tuscany" being closely linked to Caucasus/West Asia.

Here are some new results I just found.

Italian (Apulia):
Europe (South) 88%
Aegean 39.6%
Tuscany 24.2%
South Italy 24.1%
Great Britain and Ireland 3%
Scotland and Ireland 3%
Near East 9%
North Turkey 4.3%
Iran 3.1%
Levant 1.6%

Batroun
02-22-2019, 04:47 AM
These are very strange, and can partly be explained by the fact that FTDNA raw data seems to yield weird results. This is the brother of the Lebanese Christian from the first page of the thread.

Lebanese Christian (FTDNA upload):
Europe (South) 52.4%
South Italy 27.2%
Tuscany 19.7%
Sardinia 5.5%
Near East 44.7%
Levant 20.7%
Iran 18.4%
North Turkey 5.6%
Asia (South) 2.9%
Pashtun 1.8%
Sindh 1.1%

In comparison, his brother:
Near East 48.3%
Levant 47%
Iran 1.3%
Europe (South) 46.8%
Tuscany 22.4%
South Italy 22.3%
Sardinia 2.1%
Asia (South) 4.9%
Pashtun 3.6%
Sindh 1.3%

Shame these mainstream companies are taken seriously. It took me a few months to actually find out what I am. All this Iran/Arabia/Italy stuff went down the drain. They really need ancient samples in addition to the not so reliable modern ones they have

jonahst
02-22-2019, 06:36 AM
Shame these mainstream companies are taken seriously. It took me a few months to actually find out what I am. All this Iran/Arabia/Italy stuff went down the drain. They really need ancient samples in addition to the not so reliable modern ones they have

Living DNA has (or had) potential, they just need to figure out how to do as good a job on global populations as they do on British populations. I'm sure they have enough samples at this point to recalibrate the results for MENA and Mediterraneans so they're slightly less ridiculous. There is an update rolling out now, so we'll see... Not gonna hold my breath though.

talombo
03-23-2019, 04:11 AM
My results (from a kit):

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jonahst
03-23-2019, 05:28 AM
My results (from a kit):

29490

Wow, these are really interesting! What's your specific background? I've never seen results like these from anyone.

You're the first person I've ever seen get "Armenia and Cyprus" in their results. This includes actual Armenians and Cypriots.

talombo
03-23-2019, 07:18 AM
Wow, these are really interesting! What's your specific background? I've never seen results like these from anyone.

You're the first person I've ever seen get "Armenia and Cyprus" in their results. This includes actual Armenians and Cypriots.

My mother was a Moroccan jew from the Rabat area, that's all I know about her ancestry.
My father is an Egyptian jew from Cairo but I'm pretty sure most of his ancestors moved to Egypt in the 19th century from Smyrna/Izmir, Turkey and from Safed, Israel.
23andme gave me 14% Ashkenazi and I got many full Ashkenazi distant cousins matches so maybe I had an Ashkenazi ancestor too, not sure.
I don't know of any ancestors from Armenia or Cyprus.
LivingDNA gave me the same Haplogroups as 23andme (J-L283 and X2d2).

jonahst
03-23-2019, 07:42 AM
My mother was a Moroccan jew from the Rabat area, that's all I know about her ancestry.
My father is an Egyptian jew from Cairo but I'm pretty sure most of his ancestors moved to Egypt in the 19th century from Smyrna/Izmir, Turkey and from Safed, Israel.
23andme gave me 14% Ashkenazi and I got many full Ashkenazi distant cousins matches so maybe I had an Ashkenazi ancestor too, not sure.
I don't know of any ancestors from Armenia or Cyprus.
LivingDNA gave me the same Haplogroups as 23andme (J-L283 and X2d2).

Don't read any of Living DNA's labels literally. The more results I see, the less seriously I take them at face value. But when comparing to other results, I think you can find some value. Maybe one day they'll update it and improve the results for some Northern Europeans, but I'm doubtful at this point.

If your dad's family is originally from Turkey, I'm guessing they have a significant amount of pre-Sephardic Romaniote ancestry, which probably has a lot of ancient Greek admixture that's maybe coming up as "Armenia and Cyprus." I've never seen someone get this, so I don't know what it actually represents, but "Cyprus" implies something East Med.

The high Iberian is really interesting. Lately, most of the new Ashkenazi results I've seen have extremely inflated Iberian and Northeast European. For them, I think this is either Living DNA trying to synthesize different regions into larger clusters and making some very strange errors, or this is a deliberate attempt to elevate Northeast European ancestry in people who are genetically identifiable as Ashkenazi. I hope it's not the latter, but who knows...

For you, though, I think it's probably much more authentic and maybe from both sides, but Moroccan Jews seem to have the highest Iberian of any modern Jews in pretty much all calculators I've seen. (The only exception would be Portuguese Belmonte Jews, who seem to have mixed with Portuguese Christians over the past 500 years.)

Everybody with Levantine ancestry, Jew and Christian (I haven't seen Levantine Muslim results yet), gets underestimated "Levant" in their results. For some people, it's half of what they should get, for others it can be slightly more accurate. My original Living DNA results gave me 16% Levant, but my uploaded FTDNA results gave me 34%. The latter is probably more accurate, but by Living DNA's standards it's clearly inflated. I'm guessing yours is more accurate than that, but still underestimated. Should probably be closer to 40%.

Anyway, that's my interpretation. Thank you for sharing!

jonahst
03-23-2019, 07:45 AM
And just so any reader knows, I haven't added many more recent Jewish and Middle Eastern results because they've gotten more and more absurd.

One Iranian got 30% British and Irish. Every Ashkenazi Jew who recently took the test gets inflated Iberian (20-50%) and Northeast European (15-25%). Neither of these are even remotely accurate. And the Near East portion is still as underestimated as it has been for two years now, though at least it hasn't changed for the worse.

coffeeprince
03-24-2019, 11:02 PM
Are they allowing uploads again?

jonahst
03-24-2019, 11:33 PM
Are they allowing uploads again?

I think so, though not sure if it's still free.

https://my.livingdna.com/upload/start?referrer=d24d0f72-4451-4e35-ac18-9753be149e75

coffeeprince
03-25-2019, 12:13 AM
I think so, though not sure if it's still free.

https://my.livingdna.com/upload/start?referrer=d24d0f72-4451-4e35-ac18-9753be149e75

Interesting. So far it looks like it's still only for matching. It says that "you will have the option to upgrade account for further analysis" for an ethnicity breakdown but I'm unsure if that's actually available yet. Vague wording.

jonahst
03-25-2019, 12:29 AM
Interesting. So far it looks like it's still only for matching. It says that "you will have the option to upgrade account for further analysis" for an ethnicity breakdown but I'm unsure if that's actually available yet. Vague wording.

Yeah... unfortunately I have to agree with most people saying that they've lost faith in this company. It's shame, they had potential.

passenger
06-13-2019, 01:56 AM
Interesting. So far it looks like it's still only for matching. It says that "you will have the option to upgrade account for further analysis" for an ethnicity breakdown but I'm unsure if that's actually available yet. Vague wording.

Yeah, I created a free account with them and got no analysis, just matching. And only one match! Haha.

Nura
01-17-2021, 02:28 PM
And just so any reader knows, I haven't added many more recent Jewish and Middle Eastern results because they've gotten more and more absurd.

One Iranian got 30% British and Irish. Every Ashkenazi Jew who recently took the test gets inflated Iberian (20-50%) and Northeast European (15-25%). Neither of these are even remotely accurate. And the Near East portion is still as underestimated as it has been for two years now, though at least it hasn't changed for the worse.

They are still allowing free uploads, but you have to pay to break it down. Mine is really weird (I'm Ashkenazi Jewish):

42634
No Levant at all, but a lot of South Caucasus (Armenia and Cyprus) and Arabia.

maroco
01-17-2021, 06:21 PM
They are still allowing free uploads, but you have to pay to break it down. Mine is really weird (I'm Ashkenazi Jewish):

42634
No Levant at all, but a lot of South Caucasus (Armenia and Cyprus) and Arabia.
Arabia is normal? I thought Ashkenazi all have some Arabian dna

Nura
01-19-2021, 02:46 AM
Arabia is normal? I thought Ashkenazi all have some Arabian dna

Some yes but it's weird that I have no levant at all. My GEDmatch results are quite typically Ashkenazi.