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Rahuls77
06-18-2018, 09:04 PM
Hi All,

sharing my autosomal results from two of Gedmatch calculators.

Harappa


# Population Percent
1 Baloch 39.53
2 S-Indian 31.89
3 Caucasian 11.59
4 NE-Euro 8.11
5 Siberian 2.57
6 Mediterranean 1.45
7 NE-Asian 1.28
8 Beringian 1.19
9 American 1.18


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 kashmiri-pandit_reich 1.931534
2 punjabi_harappa 2.532237
3 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa 3.717739
4 punjabi-brahmin_harappa 3.938775
5 kashmiri-pahari_harappa 4.151617
6 singapore-indian-c_sgvp 4.267973
7 kashmiri_harappa 4.798092
8 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa 4.829636
9 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa 5.147320
10 punjabi-arain_xing 5.730638
11 punjabi-khatri_harappa 5.912119
12 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa 6.364336
13 gujarati-muslim_harappa 6.391230
14 up-muslim_harappa 6.694070
15 sindhi_harappa 6.829035
16 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa 7.788116
17 nepali_harappa 8.493782
18 sindhi_hgdp 8.508217
19 nepalese-a_xing 8.772377
20 bhatia_harappa 10.293004

MDLP World 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashevgmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucaus_Parsia 40.74
2 Indian 35.19
3 North_and_East_European 9.57
4 South_and_West_European 4.14
5 North_Asian 3.58
6 Middle_East 2.16
7 East_Asian 1.23
8 Arctic_Amerind 1.15
9 Melanesian 1.02
10 Mesoamerican 1.02


Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Burusho 6.914136
2 Pathan 7.272658
3 Sindhi 9.273202
4 Balochi 15.646559
5 Pashtun 16.171373
6 Jew_India 19.403683
7 Makrani 20.582069
8 Brahui 20.905550
9 Brahui 20.905550
10 Kalash 22.808846
11 Parsi 24.502792
12 Tadjik 25.392702
13 Indian 32.765335
14 Turkmen 33.198448
15 Roma 37.502937
16 Uzbek 38.307167
17 Iranian 39.700886
18 Kumyk 40.231052
19 Azeri 40.252697
20 Tabassaran 40.399345

MonkeyDLuffy
06-19-2018, 02:04 AM
What's your background?

Sapporo
06-19-2018, 02:04 AM
H Rahuls77,

May I ask your background? If it isn't Kashmiri Pandit, I presume it it some type of Punjabi biradari but your results hard to make it hard to pinpoint specifically which one.

MonkeyDLuffy
06-19-2018, 02:10 AM
Yea the east asian is similar to punjabi bromin but euro is too low for that. And Caucasian is too low for kashmiri bromin. It seems more like few Tarkhan samples I have seen.

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 02:12 AM
Northern Punjabi, Potohari basically, a Saraswat Brahman.
I had got myself tested through FTDNA, and I went in with a basic test, family finder and y-37. I can't say I am satisfied at all, I was hoping to get a lot of surprise matches :biggrin1:, the problem is not many South Asians go for these. My Y HG is R-M198.

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 02:20 AM
I guess Potohar is a little different, when you compare it with the rest of the Punjab, as such distinct from the Punjabi Brahmans, and as far as the kashmiri Pandits are concerned, I have always thought they would be much distant than what these results speak of.

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 02:24 AM
I don't know if its the fewer results that I have noticed or for the real, my Siberian, Beringian NE Asian, and American is a little higher when compared to South Asians, even in the tiny percentage points these are found in these results.

Sapporo
06-19-2018, 02:36 AM
Northern Punjabi, Potohari basically, a Saraswat Brahman.
I had got myself tested through FTDNA, and I went in with a basic test, family finder and y-37. I can't say I am satisfied at all, I was hoping to get a lot of surprise matches :biggrin1:, the problem is not many South Asians go for these. My Y HG is R-M198.

Just to clarify, you are a Punjabi Saraswat Brahmin, correct? Not a Muslim Pakistani Punjabi from Potohar or the Southern half of AJK (Mirpur, Bhimber, Kotli, Sudhan, etc.)

Whereabouts are your family from originally? Somewhere near Rawalpindi?

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 02:41 AM
Just to clarify, you are a Punjabi Saraswat Brahmin, correct? Not a Muslim Pakistani Punjabi from Potohar or the Southern half of AJK (Mirpur, Bhimber, Kotli, Sudhan, etc.)

Whereabouts are your family from originally? Somewhere near Rawalpindi?
Yes, my family is from around Rawalpindi and Kahuta. And part of our clan is likely related to the Sudhans and a few other 'tribes' from AJK and Kahuta.

MonkeyDLuffy
06-19-2018, 03:16 AM
Northern Punjabi, Potohari basically, a Saraswat Brahman.
I had got myself tested through FTDNA, and I went in with a basic test, family finder and y-37. I can't say I am satisfied at all, I was hoping to get a lot of surprise matches :biggrin1:, the problem is not many South Asians go for these. My Y HG is R-M198.

R1a brotherhood. Now we know you're legit bromin lol. Yea your scores are almost same as other pahari Punjabis, high east asian which brings SI down, low euro and decent baloch.

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 03:33 AM
R1a brotherhood. Now we know you're legit bromin lol. Yea your scores are almost same as other pahari Punjabis, high east asian which brings SI down, low euro and decent baloch.
Hahahaha, yeah aR1an Kinship!!!
Jokes apart, Potohari Brahmans had always been a relaxed bunch, quite distinct from Kashmiri Pundits and the Brahmans to our south, and have not been so rigid about mingling 'outside' of caste, and not very thoughtful of taboos and such, as was noted by Denizl Ibbetsen in his Punjab Castes. I know of two haplogroups common among our lot, R1a and Q, which probably explains the slightly higher percentages of Siberian, Beringian, American traces in my own autosomal results. Come to think of it, I might as well use it as an excuse to start another migration, an invasion this time, of the American continent from the Bering Strait, except that our forces might freeze to death in the process.:P;)

poi
06-19-2018, 04:06 AM
Hahahaha, yeah aR1an Kinship!!!
Jokes apart, Potohari Brahmans had always been a relaxed bunch, quite distinct from Kashmiri Pundits and the Brahmans to our south, and have not been so rigid about mingling 'outside' of caste, and not very thoughtful of taboos and such, as was noted by Denizl Ibbetsen in his Punjab Castes. I know of two haplogroups common among our lot, R1a and Q, which probably explains the slightly higher percentages of Siberian, Beringian, American traces in my own autosomal results. Come to think of it, I might as well use it as an excuse to start another migration, an invasion this time, of the American continent from the Bering Strait, except that our forces might freeze to death in the process.:P;)

Do you mind sharing your gedmatch kit? I can run it through all calculators and also include you in the PCA.

Latest PCA: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13993-Mother-Of-All-GedMatch-SouthAsian-PCA&p=385791&viewfull=1#post385791
Latest score sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhSj04hFhxvYXIxJptBUCC9ItPFrD5BNpYEpEfOQ5l8/edit?usp=sharing

bol_nat
06-19-2018, 04:53 AM
Yes, my family is from around Rawalpindi and Kahuta. And part of our clan is likely related to the Sudhans and a few other 'tribes' from AJK and Kahuta.

So your family didn't migrated in 1947? I'm bit confused lol

nuplix
06-19-2018, 05:10 AM
Hi,

Thanks for sharing your results and background. Would you mind sharing your kit number please?

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 01:17 PM
So your family didn't migrated in 1947? I'm bit confused lol
Yes, of course, they did. I was talking of the past, the historical background.

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 01:25 PM
Do you mind sharing your gedmatch kit? I can run it through all calculators and also include you in the PCA.



Can you send me a pm?

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 01:27 PM
Hi,

Thanks for sharing your results and background. Would you mind sharing your kit number please?
Noman, I trust we had an exchange on the FTDNA India Pakistan Nepal group, right?
PM me and I shall share the kit id with you.

nuplix
06-19-2018, 01:30 PM
Noman, I trust we had an exchange on the FTDNA India Pakistan Nepal group, right?
PM me and I shall share the kit id with you.

I got it. Welcome to the forum, BTW! :beerchug:

bol_nat
06-19-2018, 03:57 PM
Yes, of course, they did. I was talking of the past, the historical background.

Got it. Always wanted to know how will brahmin from that region score, pretty much identical to other punjabi-pahari like samples we have seen here from dozen bradaris. Districts west of chenab were pretty much 85-90% muslim by 19th century but there was still significant population of brahmins in rural areas according British census.

MonkeyDLuffy
06-19-2018, 08:22 PM
Got it. Always wanted to know how will brahmin from that region score, pretty much identical to other punjabi-pahari like samples we have seen here from dozen bradaris. Districts west of chenab were pretty much 85-90% muslim by 19th century but there was still significant population of brahmins in rural areas according British census.

Makes me wonder if bomins in that area converted to Islam, it would be impossible to track it because they score same as other Biradaris around them. And I've seen numerous mentions and sources stating some Brahmins, especially mohyals like chibbers converted to Islam.

Rahuls77
06-19-2018, 09:41 PM
Makes me wonder if bomins in that area converted to Islam, it would be impossible to track it because they score same as other Biradaris around them. And I've seen numerous mentions and sources stating some Brahmins, especially mohyals like chibbers converted to Islam.
And they actually did, not just Mohyals, several others, also converted to Islam. two of my Great-grandfather's cousins had converted and adopted Shaikh as their titles. They were in touch with GGF until about early 60's and after his death, the communication and the link broke. I have tried hard to figure out their whereabouts, no luck! So yes, many did convert. Incidentally, on FTDNA, one of my 5th cousins, the only family finder match, is a Muslim and I have struggled to contact her. I ended up reaching out to another person by that name and it turned out both her families were also recent converts,over the past 80 years or so, but she wasn't the one from FTDNA.