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Vars
06-24-2018, 01:10 PM
23andMe send me my test analysis that is Q-L712 Y-DNA. Any clues how it got to Poland from Central Asia? I have made genealogical research to A.D. 1730, all ancestors lived in Central Poland. My Coat of Arms "Rawa" descends from the Vrsovec clan/tribe the Czech aristocracy. The same ethnonym one might find in Hungary -Varsany. It's been proved that the Varsanys were Alans tribe.

Afshar
06-24-2018, 01:54 PM
The l712 polish are Niezgoda (Ćwiklak). The theory is that is probably a Hunnic marker. Maybe its nice to contact https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/niezgoda/about/background for more information.

Rethel
06-24-2018, 01:58 PM
Nope, no hunnic.
Q-people did enter Europe very early, on the northern outskirts of the
continents. Later they become germanized and came here with Germans.
Some probably were earlier, coming with Yamna, but it had to be incident
examples. Some, especially in the south, could be of Avar remnants, and
some as a result of jewish influence. So, the sources are very divergent.

Rethel
06-24-2018, 01:59 PM
My Coat of Arms "Rawa"

On what do you base your armorial belongship?

Afshar
06-24-2018, 02:02 PM
Nope, no hunnic.
Q-people did enter Europe very early, on the northern outskirts of the
continents. Later they become germanized and came here with Germans.
Some probably were earlier, coming with Yamna, but it had to be incident
examples. Some, especially in the south, could be of Avar remnants, and
some as a result of jewish influence. So, the sources are very divergent.

I even heard some fell out of the sky. You should do some research before posting, maybe have a look at the ftdna l712 project.

Rethel
06-24-2018, 02:06 PM
l712

I didn't see this detail :)
Nevertheless, hunnic influence was none in Poland, and much more influrentitial were
Avars and later Tatars, Piechigns whatever. Sources can be different anyway, and
prescribing the one marker to some particular, short living entity is not good idea,
especially, that the entity was a conglomerate itself.

Vars
06-24-2018, 04:01 PM
On what do you base your armorial belongship?
Genealogical research. There's another possibility - Some Landlords in Poland hired Székely mercenaries in Renaissance ages.

Rethel
06-24-2018, 08:21 PM
Genealogical research.

I guess... but how did you find the herb and your connection to him?

Vars
06-25-2018, 08:33 AM
I guess... but how did you find the herb and your connection to him?
You can find it in the archives.. if you are lucky :) I was.

Rethel
06-25-2018, 08:57 AM
You can find it in the archives.. if you are lucky :) I was.

By full sentence please.
What archive, who wrote it, what type of document and from which year?

Vars
06-25-2018, 11:29 AM
By full sentence please.
What archive, who wrote it, what type of document and from which year?

I don't think this discussion is about the Heraldry and my private documents.