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Humanist
10-17-2013, 02:59 AM
Based on data reported in The emergence of Y-chromosome haplogroup J1e among Arabic-speaking populations (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2987219/)

Chiaroni et al.

Eur J Hum Genet. 2010 March; 18(3): 348–353.
Published online 2009 October 14. doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2009.166


1st column = Does J1-P58 occur more frequently than J1* in the sample?
2nd column = Total J1 % in sample
3rd column = Predominant language
4th column = Sample size
5th column = Population


Note that "Arabic" does not occur among the 2nd and 3rd groups, J1* = J1-P58, and J1* > J1-P58 respectively.



--1-- --2-- --3-- --4-- --5--
Yes 34.8% Arabic 164 UAE
Yes 38.0% Arabic 121 Oman
Yes 58.3% Arabic 72 Qatar
Yes 72.6% Arabic 62 Yemen
Yes 48.7% Arabic 76 Jordan
Yes 58.8% Arabic 51 Ismaili Damascus
Yes 21.1% Arabic 147 Egypt
Yes 74.3% Arabic? 35 Sudan (Khartoum)
Yes 13.4% Arabic 172 Galilee Druze
Yes 67.9% Arabic 28 Bedouin Negev
Yes 32.7% Arabic 49 Palestine
Yes 47.2% Arabic 36 Sunni Hama
Yes 26.8% Arabic 56 Iraq (Nassiriya)
Yes 26.7% Arabic 45 Alawites Syria
Yes 11.3% Persian 150 Iran
Yes 29.2% Amharic 48 Ethiopia Amhara
Yes 17.1% Arabic 35 Sudan-Arabic
Yes 15.4% Turkish 52 Turkey 1
Yes 15.2% Turkish 33 Turkey 6
Yes 33.3% Arabic 12 Saudi Arabia
Yes 9.5% Arabic 42 Syrian Catholic Damascus
Yes 7.4% Turkish 81 Turkey 9
Yes 14.7% Arabic 34 Druzes Djebel Druze
Yes 11.8% Kurdish 93 Kurds Iraq
Yes 14.3% Arabic 14 Sednaya Syriac Catholic
Yes 4.7% Turkish 43 Turkey 5
Yes 3.3% Turkish 30 Turkey 8
Yes 3.3% Sureth? 30 Assyrian NE Syria (Eastern Neo-Aramaic ?)

Equal 12.2% Turkish 82 Turkey 4
Equal 6.9% Turkish 29 Turkey 2

No 16.1% Sureth 31 Assyrian Iran (Eastern Neo-Aramaic)
No 6.8% Aramaic 44 Ma'loula Aramaean (Western Neo-Aramaic)
No 5.6% Turkish 90 Turkey 7
No 4.9% Nilo- 61 Sudan-Nilo-saharan
No 28.6% Sureth 28 Assyrian Iraq (Eastern Neo-Aramaic)
No 9.6% Turkish 83 Turkey 3
No 2.6% Oromo 78 Ethiopia Oromo
No 20.0% Sureth 25 Assyrian Turkey (Eastern Neo-Aramaic)


EDIT:

Excluding the Indo-Iranian languages, and Turkish, we have the following breakdown (combined):

J1-P58 > J1*
1. Arabic (Semitic) [Afro-Asiatic]
2. Amharic (Semitic)* [Afro-Asiatic]


J1* > J1-P58
1. so-called "Neo-Aramaic" (Semitic) [Afro-Asiatic]
2. Oromo (Cushitic)** [Afro-Asiatic]
3. Nilo-Saharan***


*
Wikipedia


Amharic is a Semitic language spoken in Ethiopia. It is the second-most spoken Semitic language in the world, after Arabic, and the official working language of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia.


**


Oromo is an Afro-Asiatic language. It is the most widely spoken tongue in the family's Cushitic branch, and the most populous language of Ethiopia. Forms of Oromo are spoken as a first language by more than 20 million Oromo and neighbouring peoples in Ethiopia and parts of northern Kenya.


***


The Nilo-Saharan languages are a proposed family of African languages spoken by some 50 million people, mainly in the upper parts of the Chari and Nile rivers, including historic Nubia, north of where the two tributaries of Nile meet.

Map showing the distribution of Nilo-Saharan languages

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Nilo-Saharan.png/300px-Nilo-Saharan.png


Anyone with corrections to the languages associated with the above populations, please feel free to post.

ZephyrousMandaru
01-31-2014, 08:37 PM
Humanist, do you know where Assyrian J1* could have originated?

rokousa
07-31-2014, 12:18 PM
J1*

DYS458 - 17.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece ; 2 Italy, Emilia Romagna)

DYS458 - 18.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece )

DYS458 - 19.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece ) Ferri 2007 (http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768(08)00245-X/fulltext)

RCO
07-31-2014, 12:33 PM
Chiaroni never investigated the ancient Northern basal J1 types. Now, after the next-gen. Y full seq. we can understand the J1 movement from the North to the South and the different SNPs and branches.
http://www.yfull.com/tree/J1/

Humanist
07-31-2014, 12:52 PM
J1*

DYS458 - 17.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece ; 2 Italy, Emilia Romagna)

DYS458 - 18.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece )

DYS458 - 19.2 (10 Ethiopia, Amhara ; 5 Ethiopia, Orhomo ; 6 Greece ) Ferri 2007 (http://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768(08)00245-X/fulltext)

What is your point?

rokousa
07-31-2014, 01:26 PM
nothing...did you know where ethiopian or greek J1* could have originated?

BrianDeall
01-03-2015, 07:14 AM
Yes, now we need the Y full sequences of SNPs to obtain more decisive results and comparisons. The SNPs will tell the different origins, trails and chronologies, I hope. I think the professional geneticists can investigate the broader Afro-Eurasian connections in terms of detailed SNPs and I think they have already begun to do this.

paulgill
04-25-2015, 07:14 AM
Posted on another thread by Megalophias

Here, have a data dump (I don't know much of anything about J):

Turko-Mongolic minorities in NW China - 0.6% J(xJ2) and 1.7% J2 in Qinghai + Gansu (of 179 men); 1.5% J(xJ2) and 10.6% J2 in Xinjiang (of 274 men).

Gansu Han Chinese - 1% (2/221) J2a*-M410(xJ2a1a-M322, J2a1b-M67, J2a1d-M319, J2a1h1-M158)

Uyghurs from Xinjiang - 14% (27/187) - 1/187 J*, 1/187 J1, 1/187 J2a1b, 20/187 J2a* (as above), 3/187 J2b*(xJ2b1-M205, J2b2-M241), 1/187 J2b2

Ningxia Hui (NW Chinese Muslims) 13% (8/62) J - 1/62 J1, 2/62 J2a1b, 5/62 J2a*

Mongolians - 4% J (7/160) - 2/160 J1a2b-Page8, 2/160 J2a*(xJ2a1-Page55), 1/160 J2a1*(xJ2a1a, J2a1b, J2a1h), 1/160 J2a1b*(xJ2a1b-M92), 1/160 J2a1h-M530

Generally J is found at low to very low frequencies across northern China, Tibet, and Siberia. Seems like rather a mixed bag of subclades.