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Delling
06-27-2018, 09:04 PM
I originally tested at I1-M253 then with further testing FTDNA changed my haplogroup listing to L813. Recently I took another test they offered and the results came in today. Now they have changed my Ydna haplogroup again and they list it as I-FGC9462. I almost wish I hadn't taken this last test as I feel like I really don't know any more than I did before lol. Does anyone know exactly what this I-FGC9462 is ? Am I still L813 and I-FGC9462 is just a deeper test of L813 or (?) I have matches spread out all over Scandinavia as well as Ukraine, Normandy, and even Sicily of all places(I am definitely not Italian) but now have no idea what to even make of this latest test result. Thank you in advance.

JonikW
06-28-2018, 10:35 AM
I originally tested at I1-M253 then with further testing FTDNA changed my haplogroup listing to L813. Recently I took another test they offered and the results came in today. Now they have changed my Ydna haplogroup again and they list it as I-FGC9462. I almost wish I hadn't taken this last test as I feel like I really don't know any more than I did before lol. Does anyone know exactly what this I-FGC9462 is ? Am I still L813 and I-FGC9462 is just a deeper test of L813 or (?) I have matches spread out all over Scandinavia as well as Ukraine, Normandy, and even Sicily of all places(I am definitely not Italian) but now have no idea what to even make of this latest test result. Thank you in advance.

Have you joined a project? An administrator should be able to answer your questions. They've been very helpful with me. Otherwise, I'm sure someone knowledgeable will see this thread in time.

spruithean
06-28-2018, 11:19 AM
I originally tested at I1-M253 then with further testing FTDNA changed my haplogroup listing to L813. Recently I took another test they offered and the results came in today. Now they have changed my Ydna haplogroup again and they list it as I-FGC9462. I almost wish I hadn't taken this last test as I feel like I really don't know any more than I did before lol. Does anyone know exactly what this I-FGC9462 is ? Am I still L813 and I-FGC9462 is just a deeper test of L813 or (?) I have matches spread out all over Scandinavia as well as Ukraine, Normandy, and even Sicily of all places(I am definitely not Italian) but now have no idea what to even make of this latest test result. Thank you in advance.

Yes, you are still I-L813. Here (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y13505/) is the tree for I-FGC9462 (aka I-Y13505). Note the path of SNPs at the top of the page. The path from I-L813 is L813 > Y5476 > Y5486 > Y5474 > Y5483 > Y13038 > Y13505/FGC9462.


Given you are descended from I-L22 branch and 2 of the three people on YFull in your specific subbranch are Scandinavian, perhaps you have a patrilineal Scandinavian origin?

Delling
06-28-2018, 05:05 PM
I appreciate the info. I have known Scandinavian ancestry on both mother's and father's side. ( Danish and Norwegian) I contacted the admins from several of the groups I belong to and received no replies so I went forward with the test anyway. I think in my case I made the mistake of assuming that the I-FGC9462 would narrow it down to a more specific area. Seems to me that from an ancestral point of view, this test tells me next to nothing. But, no harm no foul.

JonikW
06-28-2018, 06:55 PM
I appreciate the info. I have known Scandinavian ancestry on both mother's and father's side. ( Danish and Norwegian) I contacted the admins from several of the groups I belong to and received no replies so I went forward with the test anyway. I think in my case I made the mistake of assuming that the I-FGC9462 would narrow it down to a more specific area. Seems to me that from an ancestral point of view, this test tells me next to nothing. But, no harm no foul.

You might get more recent matches later too. My Swedish cousin tested at the same time as me. Without him my closest match was German and we have a TMRCA of 2,500 ybp. Here's hoping.

Delling
06-28-2018, 11:33 PM
You might get more recent matches later too. My Swedish cousin tested at the same time as me. Without him my closest match was German and we have a TMRCA of 2,500 ybp. Here's hoping.

My autosomal test that I took via 23andMe years ago showed almost 80% 'Northern European' but also showed the rest of the 20% taken up by 'French' and 'British Isles'. Back right after I took that test with 23andMe I rashly decided I didn't want my DNA info left on a website so I closed my account. I regretted doing that so impulsively so several years later I took the 67 marker with FTDNA and got the more specific results. I have heard the autosomal is somehow more accurate but at this point I honestly don't buy that at all. The autosomal test seemed pretty generic whereas the 67 marker test really seemed to break it all down more specifically. I still would like to have transferred my 23andMe results so wish I would not have closed the account but the figures were easy enough to remember. The largest % of my matches in France are in Normandy though I do have some elsewhere in France, in the Netherlands, Dublin, all along Eastern areas of England, Hebrides, Orkney, Isle of Mann, Shetland and Iceland. It appears most of my Scandinavian matches are in Norway with Sweden and Denmark close seconds. I have been told that the L813 is a predominantly Norwegian 'clade'(?) Is the I-FGC9462 something that ha a predominating area it is found in? Sorry if these are silly questions but point blank, I still really don't fully understand these things.

JonikW
06-29-2018, 08:19 AM
My autosomal test that I took via 23andMe years ago showed almost 80% 'Northern European' but also showed the rest of the 20% taken up by 'French' and 'British Isles'. Back right after I took that test with 23andMe I rashly decided I didn't want my DNA info left on a website so I closed my account. I regretted doing that so impulsively so several years later I took the 67 marker with FTDNA and got the more specific results. I have heard the autosomal is somehow more accurate but at this point I honestly don't buy that at all. The autosomal test seemed pretty generic whereas the 67 marker test really seemed to break it all down more specifically. I still would like to have transferred my 23andMe results so wish I would not have closed the account but the figures were easy enough to remember. The largest % of my matches in France are in Normandy though I do have some elsewhere in France, in the Netherlands, Dublin, all along Eastern areas of England, Hebrides, Orkney, Isle of Mann, Shetland and Iceland. It appears most of my Scandinavian matches are in Norway with Sweden and Denmark close seconds. I have been told that the L813 is a predominantly Norwegian 'clade'(?) Is the I-FGC9462 something that ha a predominating area it is found in? Sorry if these are silly questions but point blank, I still really don't fully understand these things.

What country did your earliest known forefather on your paternal Y line (your own surname line) live in, and at what date? Was it Norway? EDIT: you may already know this, but an autosomal test that gives a regional breakdown such as yours did at 23andme can show where your ancestors lived in the past few hundred years. It's the majority of who you are. A Y test can tell you something about where your father's line originated and where they lived more recently. It's a small amount of your overall DNA but it's important for many people, me included. spruithean's link shows that you share a common grandfather who lived about 1,500 years ago with two men whose families come from modern Sweden and Norway. That may also suggest something about where your common grandfathers lived in the past. A more recent TMRCA match might tell you more one day.

Calamus
06-29-2018, 11:11 AM
My autosomal test that I took via 23andMe years ago showed almost 80% 'Northern European' but also showed the rest of the 20% taken up by 'French' and 'British Isles'. Back right after I took that test with 23andMe I rashly decided I didn't want my DNA info left on a website so I closed my account. I regretted doing that so impulsively so several years later I took the 67 marker with FTDNA and got the more specific results. I have heard the autosomal is somehow more accurate but at this point I honestly don't buy that at all. The autosomal test seemed pretty generic whereas the 67 marker test really seemed to break it all down more specifically. I still would like to have transferred my 23andMe results so wish I would not have closed the account but the figures were easy enough to remember. The largest % of my matches in France are in Normandy though I do have some elsewhere in France, in the Netherlands, Dublin, all along Eastern areas of England, Hebrides, Orkney, Isle of Mann, Shetland and Iceland. It appears most of my Scandinavian matches are in Norway with Sweden and Denmark close seconds. I have been told that the L813 is a predominantly Norwegian 'clade'(?) Is the I-FGC9462 something that ha a predominating area it is found in? Sorry if these are silly questions but point blank, I still really don't fully understand these things.

I also belong to Y-DNA haplogroup I-FGC9462, so we have a common male line ancestor that lived approximately 1500 years ago. I see that Spruithean and JonikW have already answered some of your questions. Too add a couple of things, L813 is not a predominanly a Norwegian clade, Scandinavian would be a better fit. With I-FGC9462 you can narrow the the geographic area down somewhat, it is mainly found in southern Sweden and Southeastern Norway. Did you take the Big-Y test or did you just order a SNP test? I had the Big-Y and they also found about 15 SNP that are "private", perhaps you also share some of these mutations. Are you a member of the L813 project at FTDNA? Would you be willing to share your 67marker results?

spruithean
06-29-2018, 01:23 PM
I have been told that the L813 is a predominantly Norwegian 'clade'(?) Is the I-FGC9462 something that ha a predominating area it is found in? Sorry if these are silly questions but point blank, I still really don't fully understand these things.

In the YFull link I provided you will see that two of the three people who have submitted their BAMs to YFull have roots in Norway and Sweden, that is fairly telling and if the third person also has roots in Scandinavia then I would say that is perhaps fairly telling. L813 itself has a rather northerly distribution and is found in areas known to have seen Scandinavian activity (Vikings).

Kamo
06-29-2018, 11:39 PM
My autosomal test that I took via 23andMe years ago showed almost 80% 'Northern European' but also showed the rest of the 20% taken up by 'French' and 'British Isles'. Back right after I took that test with 23andMe I rashly decided I didn't want my DNA info left on a website so I closed my account. I regretted doing that so impulsively so several years later I took the 67 marker with FTDNA and got the more specific results. I have heard the autosomal is somehow more accurate but at this point I honestly don't buy that at all. The autosomal test seemed pretty generic whereas the 67 marker test really seemed to break it all down more specifically. I still would like to have transferred my 23andMe results so wish I would not have closed the account but the figures were easy enough to remember. The largest % of my matches in France are in Normandy though I do have some elsewhere in France, in the Netherlands, Dublin, all along Eastern areas of England, Hebrides, Orkney, Isle of Mann, Shetland and Iceland. It appears most of my Scandinavian matches are in Norway with Sweden and Denmark close seconds. I have been told that the L813 is a predominantly Norwegian 'clade'(?) Is the I-FGC9462 something that ha a predominating area it is found in? Sorry if these are silly questions but point blank, I still really don't fully understand these things.

I also am L813 and belong to the L813 project at FTDNA. I would recommend joining that project if you haven't already. I have to believe you and I are matches. The places you have mentioned I also have a predominance of matches in. The conundrum in my case is that I am supposedly Irish and have a stereotypical Irish surname(Molloy) One of the matches I have is in the Hebrides(Bara Island) and their name is McNeil. There was an article in one of the British papers wherein they were interviewed and they already know that they descend from Norwegian 'pirates' as they called them i.e. Vikings. I made an attempt to contact them but received no reply. It does make it difficult when you are in the odd case of having either no matches with same surname or in my case only having 1 match with same surname. I corresponded with that guy also but he eventually stopped replying. He didn't seem to have much interest in any depth of research into his ancestry. I had Ken Nordvedt and another gentleman named Tyrone Bowes from Ireland look at my results. Nordvedt's opinion was that somewhere along the line long ago a Scandinavian male may have had offspring with an Irish or Scottish female and the child for whatever reason was given the girl's family name instead of that man's name. Bowes suggested a similar scenario but simply said there was definitely some 'non paternal event' somewhere along the line. My match percentages are low with my matches at earlier points but go up exponentially at further ranges back. Asid from Vikings there was also the Norman incursion. The earliest ancestor I can trace back is Michael Molloy. Born 1795 and died in late 1800s. Came from Dublin area of Ireland during the period of unrest in mid 1800s and settled in Kentucky, died in Cincinnati Ohio. I didn't see if you mentioned anything about your ancestor research but it might help to do some non dna related family research to find out who your earliest male ancestor is.

JonikW
06-29-2018, 11:53 PM
I also am L813 and belong to the L813 project at FTDNA. I would recommend joining that project if you haven't already. I have to believe you and I are matches. The places you have mentioned I also have a predominance of matches in. The conundrum in my case is that I am supposedly Irish and have a stereotypical Irish surname(Molloy) One of the matches I have is in the Hebrides(Bara Island) and their name is McNeil. There was an article in one of the British papers wherein they were interviewed and they already know that they descend from Norwegian 'pirates' as they called them i.e. Vikings. I made an attempt to contact them but received no reply. It does make it difficult when you are in the odd case of having either no matches with same surname or in my case only having 1 match with same surname. I corresponded with that guy also but he eventually stopped replying. He didn't seem to have much interest in any depth of research into his ancestry. I had Ken Nordvedt and another gentleman named Tyrone Bowes from Ireland look at my results. Nordvedt's opinion was that somewhere along the line long ago a Scandinavian male may have had offspring with an Irish or Scottish female and the child for whatever reason was given the girl's family name instead of that man's name. Bowes suggested a similar scenario but simply said there was definitely some 'non paternal event' somewhere along the line. My match percentages are low with my matches at earlier points but go up exponentially at further ranges back. Asid from Vikings there was also the Norman incursion. The earliest ancestor I can trace back is Michael Molloy. Born 1795 and died in late 1800s. Came from Dublin area of Ireland during the period of unrest in mid 1800s and settled in Kentucky, died in Cincinnati Ohio. I didn't see if you mentioned anything about your ancestor research but it might help to do some non dna related family research to find out who your earliest male ancestor is.

What a fascinating story. Looks likely that your forefather was a Viking at some stage. I assume mine was too. Still trying to get my head around that. Looks like Ken is out of action and much missed as the foremost I1 expert. I wrote to him too at one stage and received an interesting, informative and courteous reply.

spruithean
06-30-2018, 12:32 AM
I also am L813 and belong to the L813 project at FTDNA. I would recommend joining that project if you haven't already. I have to believe you and I are matches. The places you have mentioned I also have a predominance of matches in. The conundrum in my case is that I am supposedly Irish and have a stereotypical Irish surname(Molloy) One of the matches I have is in the Hebrides(Bara Island) and their name is McNeil. There was an article in one of the British papers wherein they were interviewed and they already know that they descend from Norwegian 'pirates' as they called them i.e. Vikings. I made an attempt to contact them but received no reply. It does make it difficult when you are in the odd case of having either no matches with same surname or in my case only having 1 match with same surname. I corresponded with that guy also but he eventually stopped replying. He didn't seem to have much interest in any depth of research into his ancestry. I had Ken Nordvedt and another gentleman named Tyrone Bowes from Ireland look at my results. Nordvedt's opinion was that somewhere along the line long ago a Scandinavian male may have had offspring with an Irish or Scottish female and the child for whatever reason was given the girl's family name instead of that man's name. Bowes suggested a similar scenario but simply said there was definitely some 'non paternal event' somewhere along the line. My match percentages are low with my matches at earlier points but go up exponentially at further ranges back. Asid from Vikings there was also the Norman incursion. The earliest ancestor I can trace back is Michael Molloy. Born 1795 and died in late 1800s. Came from Dublin area of Ireland during the period of unrest in mid 1800s and settled in Kentucky, died in Cincinnati Ohio. I didn't see if you mentioned anything about your ancestor research but it might help to do some non dna related family research to find out who your earliest male ancestor is.

Just so you know in the Clan MacNeil Project the vast majority of the Barra MacNeils are R1a-A10884, R1b-Y5108 (Chiefly line included here), I2a-Y4142 and the MacDonalds from Mingulay are I2a-Y7190. The MacNeills with origins in Argyll, specifically Taynish, Gigha, Colonsay and those surrounding areas are I1a-Y13039 (clade under L813). With the remainder of those with roots in Argyll and elsewhere being various other branches of R1b, I1 and the like. So far no Barra MacNeil descendant belongs to I1.

Unfortunately there are plenty of pedigrees drawn up linking the Argyll MacNeills to the Barra MacNeils, so far it is believed they were separate clans, however nowadays the Chief of Barra is chief of the name and its variations.

Kamo
06-30-2018, 01:45 AM
Just so you know in the Clan MacNeil Project the vast majority of the Barra MacNeils are R1a-A10884, R1b-Y5108 (Chiefly line included here), I2a-Y4142 and the MacDonalds from Mingulay are I2a-Y7190. The MacNeills with origins in Argyll, specifically Taynish, Gigha, Colonsay and those surrounding areas are I1a-Y13039 (clade under L813). With the remainder of those with roots in Argyll and elsewhere being various other branches of R1b, I1 and the like. So far no Barra MacNeil descendant belongs to I1.

Unfortunately there are plenty of pedigrees drawn up linking the Argyll MacNeills to the Barra MacNeils, so far it is believed they were separate clans, however nowadays the Chief of Barra is chief of the name and its variations.

My MacNeil match on Barra is I1 so not sure what you mean when you say 'no Barra MacNeil descendant is I1' What am I missing ? Within my matches, the majority are in Scandinavia but I do notice MacNeils of various spellings both in the Hebrides, Ireland and the States as well so that in itself might possibly narrow down the specific clan(?). I do as I say have a MacNeil match on Barra so when I saw the article I thought oh, there they are. He is on Barra but if the rest of them are some other haplogroup then he must not be in that same family. My overall matches in the British Isles sound like they are in the same places as the OP, along eastern seaboard and central England going right up the eastern side of the country, and in Normandy, Ukraine, Russia, Sicily, Gotland island, Isle of Mann, Shetland etc etc. My matches in Ireland are in Waterford, Wexford, Dublin, Sligo, Londonderry and a couple others. Is there any way to share my FTDNA info for others to compare with here? If so how does one do that? I would be happy to do so and it might give me some new info as well. I belong to several ydna projects on FTDNA but don't post very often because for some reason when it says I have replies, I go to check them out and there aren't any. The few times there were it would not allow me to post a follow up reply. I have contacted the admins on several projects about this problem but virtually none of them ever reply so I sort of gave up even posting but still belong to the projects.

Kamo
06-30-2018, 04:51 AM
Nordvedt is out of action? How do you mean retired or?

JonikW
06-30-2018, 06:58 AM
Nordvedt is out of action? How do you mean retired or?

I should have worded that better. I just meant I haven't seen anything from him for probably a couple of years. I hope he's well!

spruithean
06-30-2018, 08:57 AM
My MacNeil match on Barra is I1 so not sure what you mean when you say 'no Barra MacNeil descendant is I1' What am I missing ? Within my matches, the majority are in Scandinavia but I do notice MacNeils of various spellings both in the Hebrides, Ireland and the States as well so that in itself might possibly narrow down the specific clan(?). I do as I say have a MacNeil match on Barra so when I saw the article I thought oh, there they are. He is on Barra but if the rest of them are some other haplogroup then he must not be in that same family. My overall matches in the British Isles sound like they are in the same places as the OP, along eastern seaboard and central England going right up the eastern side of the country, and in Normandy, Ukraine, Russia, Sicily, Gotland island, Isle of Mann, Shetland etc etc. My matches in Ireland are in Waterford, Wexford, Dublin, Sligo, Londonderry and a couple others. Is there any way to share my FTDNA info for others to compare with here? If so how does one do that? I would be happy to do so and it might give me some new info as well. I belong to several ydna projects on FTDNA but don't post very often because for some reason when it says I have replies, I go to check them out and there aren't any. The few times there were it would not allow me to post a follow up reply. I have contacted the admins on several projects about this problem but virtually none of them ever reply so I sort of gave up even posting but still belong to the projects.

That MacNeil in the Clan MacNeil DNA project fits within the haplotype of the Taynish group, and it's established that members of that group likely descend from Torquil MacNeill of Castle Sween in Argyll. If you notice those in the Kintyre/Taynish group descend from a lot of MacNeill settlers of Cape Fear in North Carolina, descending from early colonists of that area who originally came from Gigha, Islay, Jura, etc. Many of them being descended directly from the chiefly line of the Argyll clan which is erroneously linked to the same lineage as the Barra clan.

What I mean by no Barra descendant is I1 I mean none with a confirmed paper trail to Barra are I1. Barra members of the project with confirmed paper trails are R1a-A10884, R1b-Y5108, I2a.

Kamo
06-30-2018, 01:31 PM
That MacNeil in the Clan MacNeil DNA project fits within the haplotype of the Taynish group, and it's established that members of that group likely descend from Torquil MacNeill of Castle Sween in Argyll. If you notice those in the Kintyre/Taynish group descend from a lot of MacNeill settlers of Cape Fear in North Carolina, descending from early colonists of that area who originally came from Gigha, Islay, Jura, etc. Many of them being descended directly from the chiefly line of the Argyll clan which is erroneously linked to the same lineage as the Barra clan.

What I mean by no Barra descendant is I1 I mean none with a confirmed paper trail to Barra are I1. Barra members of the project with confirmed paper trails are R1a-A10884, R1b-Y5108, I2a.

Ok. I understand what you re saying

Kamo
06-30-2018, 01:32 PM
I should have worded that better. I just meant I haven't seen anything from him for probably a couple of years. I hope he's well!

Yes, I had contacted him one other time after our first email conact and he hadn't replied to me either.

JMcB
06-30-2018, 01:57 PM
I should have worded that better. I just meant I haven't seen anything from him for probably a couple of years. I hope he's well!


For all intents and purposes, Ken Nordtvedt retired from the genetic scene a few years ago. At this point, hes close to 80 years old and presumably decided to move on to other things. He was also very helpful to me, when I first got my 67 marker test back in 2015, and as things stand now, everything he told me has been confirmed by later SNP testing.


For those interested, you can still find some of his papers here:

https://onedrive.live.com/?id=8B35ADFFC37790D0%2189654&cid=8B35ADFFC37790D0

Calamus
07-01-2018, 07:25 AM
I also am L813 and belong to the L813 project at FTDNA. I would recommend joining that project if you haven't already. I have to believe you and I are matches. The places you have mentioned I also have a predominance of matches in. The conundrum in my case is that I am supposedly Irish and have a stereotypical Irish surname(Molloy) One of the matches I have is in the Hebrides(Bara Island) and their name is McNeil. There was an article in one of the British papers wherein they were interviewed and they already know that they descend from Norwegian 'pirates' as they called them i.e. Vikings. I made an attempt to contact them but received no reply. It does make it difficult when you are in the odd case of having either no matches with same surname or in my case only having 1 match with same surname. I corresponded with that guy also but he eventually stopped replying. He didn't seem to have much interest in any depth of research into his ancestry. I had Ken Nordvedt and another gentleman named Tyrone Bowes from Ireland look at my results. Nordvedt's opinion was that somewhere along the line long ago a Scandinavian male may have had offspring with an Irish or Scottish female and the child for whatever reason was given the girl's family name instead of that man's name. Bowes suggested a similar scenario but simply said there was definitely some 'non paternal event' somewhere along the line. My match percentages are low with my matches at earlier points but go up exponentially at further ranges back. Asid from Vikings there was also the Norman incursion. The earliest ancestor I can trace back is Michael Molloy. Born 1795 and died in late 1800s. Came from Dublin area of Ireland during the period of unrest in mid 1800s and settled in Kentucky, died in Cincinnati Ohio. I didn't see if you mentioned anything about your ancestor research but it might help to do some non dna related family research to find out who your earliest male ancestor is.

Based on Y-STR results there appears to be some sub-clustering within the I-FGC9462 group (unfortunately, too few samples to say anything definite. DNA is definitely a waiting game). If it is of interest, I can take a look at your Y-STR results from the L813 project at FTDNA to see where you migth fit in and post it here.

Kamo
07-01-2018, 04:48 PM
"If it is of interest, I can take a look at your Y-STR results from the L813 project at FTDNA to see where you migth fit in and post it here."

Sure Calamus. I think that would be a great idea.

Delling
07-01-2018, 08:48 PM
I also am L813 and belong to the L813 project at FTDNA. I would recommend joining that project if you haven't already. I have to believe you and I are matches. The places you have mentioned I also have a predominance of matches in. The conundrum in my case is that I am supposedly Irish and have a stereotypical Irish surname(Molloy) One of the matches I have is in the Hebrides(Bara Island) and their name is McNeil. There was an article in one of the British papers wherein they were interviewed and they already know that they descend from Norwegian 'pirates' as they called them i.e. Vikings. I made an attempt to contact them but received no reply. It does make it difficult when you are in the odd case of having either no matches with same surname or in my case only having 1 match with same surname. I corresponded with that guy also but he eventually stopped replying. He didn't seem to have much interest in any depth of research into his ancestry. I had Ken Nordvedt and another gentleman named Tyrone Bowes from Ireland look at my results. Nordvedt's opinion was that somewhere along the line long ago a Scandinavian male may have had offspring with an Irish or Scottish female and the child for whatever reason was given the girl's family name instead of that man's name. Bowes suggested a similar scenario but simply said there was definitely some 'non paternal event' somewhere along the line. My match percentages are low with my matches at earlier points but go up exponentially at further ranges back. Asid from Vikings there was also the Norman incursion. The earliest ancestor I can trace back is Michael Molloy. Born 1795 and died in late 1800s. Came from Dublin area of Ireland during the period of unrest in mid 1800s and settled in Kentucky, died in Cincinnati Ohio. I didn't see if you mentioned anything about your ancestor research but it might help to do some non dna related family research to find out who your earliest male ancestor is.

Thanks. I will look into that group. With my work I just don't get a lot of free time to join or post in these groups and forums.

Kamo
07-02-2018, 01:03 AM
Calamus, I misspoke in earlier post. I said 'Michael Molloy' when I meant to write John Molloy. John is indeed listed on the L813 results page. John Molloy 1795-1880. I would have posted the results here myself would I know how to do it. I'm still using the old copy and paste method for everything and that obviously won't work in this case.

Calamus
07-02-2018, 09:55 AM
Calamus, I misspoke in earlier post. I said 'Michael Molloy' when I meant to write John Molloy. John is indeed listed on the L813 results page. John Molloy 1795-1880. I would have posted the results here myself would I know how to do it. I'm still using the old copy and paste method for everything and that obviously won't work in this case.

Kamo, I have had a look at your results and it looks like you belong to my "Viken group". I am not 100% certain, because it looks like you may have a back-mutation on DYS437. You have 16 and it should be 15 for this group. Your other key-markers are a perfect fit for the "Viken group". The "Viken group" is clustered around the Oslofjord. So, it looks like your Y-line ancestor came from the Oslofjord area.

I have also identified two other groups within FGC9462, a "Hedemark group", which is clustered in the Hedemark area of Norway. And a "Swedish group", which is clustered on the other side of the border in Sweden.

Kamo
07-02-2018, 12:23 PM
Kamo, I have had a look at your results and it looks like you belong to my "Viken group". I am not 100% certain, because it looks like you may have a back-mutation on DYS437. You have 16 and it should be 15 for this group. Your other key-markers are a perfect fit for the "Viken group". The "Viken group" is clustered around the Oslofjord. So, it looks like your Y-line ancestor came from the Oslofjord area.

I have also identified two other groups within FGC9462, a "Hedemark group", which is clustered in the Hedemark area of Norway. And a "Swedish group", which is clustered on the other side of the border in Sweden.

I certainly have a larg number of matches from that area including as you say across in Sweden as well.

Kamo
07-02-2018, 06:06 PM
Not sure if this will post as I have never attempted to attach a photo on this website before. A small snapshot of matches around the area you described.It may be a little blurry.24390