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Alexandra_K
07-02-2018, 08:45 PM
I just got my Living DNA results! I am not sure if they are very accurate though since the North and West European as well as the British ancestry seem to be exaggerated...But still might be interesting to compare.
My family is 50% from Epirus (area of Ioannina) and 25% each from Kephalonia and Kea. I did expect some degree of Italian and Slavic admixture (for general historical reasons regarding Greece and also for historical reasons more specifically related to Epirus and Kephalonia, at least) but I cannot imagine where the French/Germanic/ Scandinavian/British contribution comes from -?

Just for the sake of comparison, below my Living DNA results I also post my 23andme, Ancestry DNA, MyHeritage and other results:

Living DNA

Europe 100%

Europe (South) 73.4%

Aegean 44.1%
Tuscany 13.4%
South Italy 12.3%
North Italy 3.5%

Europe (North and West) 12.2%

France 8%
Germanic 2.4%
Scandinavia 1.8%

Europe (East) 10%

East Balkans 5.5%
West Balkans 1.6%
Pannonia 1.5%
Northeast Europe 1.3%

Great Britain and Ireland 4.5%
England and Wales 4.5%



My initial 23andme results were as follows:

- 86 % Balkan (5 dots for Greece, 5 dots for Albania, 2 dots for Macedonia, 1 for Serbia, 1 for Croatia and 1 for Romania)
- 9 % Italian
- 0,4% Eastern European
- 0,1 East Asian and Native American
- rest: broadly Southern European and unassigned

After the very recent update they changed to:
- 85,8 Balkan (same dots)
- 12,8 Italian
- 0,1 South Asian (broadly SA)
- 1,2 broadly Southern European

My ancestry DNA results before the very recent update:

- 71% Southern Europe (Italy and Greece)
- 14% Eastern European
- 5% Middle Eastern
- 4% Caucasian
- 2% British
- 2% Western Europe
- 1% European Jewish
- <1% Iberian

After the update:

- 73% Greece and the Balkans
- 27% Italy

My MyHeritage results:

[/U]92.1% Europe[/U]

East Europe 44,6%

44.6%
Balkan

South Europe
41.9%

Greek
41.9%

Ashkenazi Jewish
5.6%

Africa
7.9%
North Africa
7.9%
North African
7.9%

At FTDNA I am 100% Southeastern European.

Also Geneplaza, DNA.land and Eurogenes K13 (Gedmatch):

Geneplaza:

EUROPEAN 100.0%
SOUTHERN EUROPEAN 89.3%
Greek-Albanian 45.5%
Sicilian 43.8%
Southwest European 0.0%
EASTERN EUROPEAN 10.7%
Eastern Slavic 10.7%
Southern Slavic 0.0%
Baltic 0.0%
NORTHERN EUROPEAN 0.0%
Northwest European 0.0%
Scandinavian 0.0%
ASIAN 0.0%
SIBERIAN & AMERINDIAN 0.0%
AFRICAN 0.0%
Oceanian

DNA.land

West Eurasian 100%
South European 94%
Balkan 49%
South/Central European 45%
North Slavic 3.9%
Ambiguous 1.5%
Central Indoeuropean 1.1%


This is my Eurogenes K13 Oracle:

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.18
2 West_Med 21.67
3 Baltic 18.21
4 North_Atlantic 16.97
5 West_Asian 12.62
6 Red_Sea 3.75
7 East_Asian 1.20


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 3.666719
2 Central_Greek @ 9.449551
3 Bulgarian @ 10.079420
4 East_Sicilian @ 10.860690
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 11.576796
6 West_Sicilian @ 12.273549
7 Romanian @ 13.143967
8 Ashkenazi @ 13.440406
9 Tuscan @ 13.884970
10 South_Italian @ 14.375315
11 Serbian @ 18.004507
12 North_Italian @ 18.399658
13 Algerian_Jewish @ 20.174377
14 Italian_Jewish @ 20.796219
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.003513
16 Moldavian @ 23.899855
17 Tunisian_Jewish @ 24.682604
18 Libyan_Jewish @ 24.937746
19 Cyprian @ 26.493221
20 Croatian @ 27.444063

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Central_Greek @ 3.605400


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Central_Greek +25% East_Sicilian @ 3.551438


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++
1 Ashkenazi + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.652073
2 Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 2.689845
3 Ashkenazi + Belorussian + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 2.898541
4 Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + Georgian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.154184
5 Ashkenazi + Kurdish_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.164341
6 Central_Greek + Kurdish_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.260642
7 Ashkenazi + Assyrian + Belorussian + Sardinian @ 3.278632
8 Greek_Thessaly + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.278685
9 Ashkenazi + Georgian_Jewish + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian @ 3.314328
10 Bulgarian + Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.320706
11 Greek_Thessaly + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.333169
12 Central_Greek + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.342300
13 Bulgarian + Kurdish_Jewish + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.371904
14 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.372509
15 Croatian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.382109
16 Greek_Thessaly + Iranian_Jewish + Sardinian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.387726
17 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.395472
18 Ashkenazi + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.397145
19 Algerian_Jewish + Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Ukrainian @ 3.414869
20 Assyrian + Central_Greek + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.415889

kingjohn
07-03-2018, 11:30 AM
it is nice that you score east slavic in gene plazza { slavic tribes in greece there is no way around it} :)
about your living dna results generally speaking look logic
thanks for sharing :thumb:
if you score { north atlantic , north sea , and french to some degree in eurogenes k36}?
than living dna results reflect it well in there complete mode ......
regards
adam

Alexandra_K
07-03-2018, 11:50 AM
Hi Adam! Do you mean that East Slavic admixture is something very typical for a Greek?
Yes, the Living DNA results don't look bad, it is just that the North and Western European percentages seemed rather high to me.
I will look up my K36 results and post them here too.
Thanks for the input!
Alexandra

Alexandra_K
07-03-2018, 11:59 AM
These are my Eurogenes K36 results using my AncestryDNA data. The ones based on MyHeritage data are slightly different (all the percentages are slightly different)

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.28
Armenian 3.55
Basque 3.24
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.41
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.23
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.26
East_Med 7.56
Eastern_Euro 2.11
Fennoscandian -
French 0.81
Iberian 4.90
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 21.55
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 13.25
North_African 0.84
North_Atlantic 1.97
North_Caucasian 0.96
North_Sea 3.77
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.76
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.44
West_Med 6.07

Alexandra_K
07-03-2018, 12:02 PM
K36 based on MyHeritage data:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.40
Armenian 3.46
Basque 3.04
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.00
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.94
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 5.91
East_Med 7.44
Eastern_Euro 1.83
Fennoscandian -
French 0.69
Iberian 5.70
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 23.03
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 12.29
North_African 0.52
North_Atlantic 1.23
North_Caucasian 0.90
North_Sea 3.79
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.60
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.16
West_Med 6.05

jonahst
07-05-2018, 11:49 PM
Very interesting results! I made a thread with Middle Eastern and Mediterranean Living DNA results: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14586-Middle-Eastern-and-Mediterranean-Results-for-Living-DNA

You can compare yours to some of the other Mediterranean populations for reference. Living DNA's labels are a little weird, so don't take them too literally. I'll also add your results to the thread.

Alexandra_K
07-06-2018, 05:09 AM
Thank you, Jonahst! I will take a look at the thread now. Greetings, A

Dorkymon
07-08-2018, 04:25 PM
I just got my Living DNA results! I am not sure if they are very accurate

From the results that I've seen, their assignments for East Europeans and specifically Southeast Europeans needs quite the improvement.

In my case, I don't receive even 0.1% in the components that include Romanian references.

They stated from the beginning that results will improve as they continue building on their calculator, but that's yet to happen.

Europe 92.7%

Europe (East) 45.1%

Northeast Europe 32.7%
Finland and Western Russia 4.8%
Mordovia 4%
Baltics 3.6%

Europe (South) 29.4%

Aegean 22.1%
North Italy 3.8%
South Italy 2%
Tuscany 1.6%

Europe (North and West) 9.4%

France 9.4%

Great Britain and Ireland 8.7%

England and Wales 8.7%

Near East 5.9%

North Turkey 2.8%
Kurdish 1.6%
South Turkey 1.5%

Asia (East) 1.4%

North China

Alexandra_K
07-08-2018, 05:12 PM
Thank you for sharing, Dorkymon! Yes, I also have the feeling that some improvement would be good although they are not completely irrational either.

Alexandra_K
08-10-2018, 08:14 AM
I add here my Living DNA results in cautious mode. The "Europe North and West" and "Great Britain and Ireland" categories disappear in this mode. Maybe this could be a little closer to the truth? Again, I wonder what the large percentage of the Tuscany-related ancestry can account for? Italian ancestors at the side of my paternal family which comes from Kephalonia? Or a shared earlier ancestry with Italians?

Europe 100%
Europe (South) 44.1%
Aegean 44.1%
Tuscany-related ancestry 36%
Northeast Europe-related ancestry 10%
North Italy-related ancestry 3.5%
Europe (unassigned) 6.3%

td120
08-10-2018, 09:08 PM
Or a shared earlier ancestry with Italians?


Usually this.

Here are mine:

Europe 93.1%
Northeast Europe-related ancestry 49.1%
Tuscany-related ancestry 32.1%
Europe (unassigned) 11.9%
Pashtun-related ancestry 4.5%
World (unassigned) 2.3%

Alexandra_K
08-11-2018, 04:54 AM
Thank you, td120. Your results look interesting. Where do you come from?

td120
08-11-2018, 09:54 AM
Here are my full results :

Complete mode(sub regions)

Europe 93.1%

Europe (East) 54.5%
East Balkans 22.4%
West Balkans 11%
Pannonia 10.1%
Northeast Europe 5.6%
Mordovia 3%
Baltics 2.4%

Europe (South) 30.2%
South Italy 12.9%
Tuscany 10.9%
North Italy 3.4%
Aegean 3.1%

Europe (North and West) 8.4%
Germanic 8.4%

Asia (South) 4.5%
Pashtun 4.5%

Near East 2.3%
Kurdish 2.3%

,,,,,,,,,,,,

Standard mode (sub regions)

Europe 93.1%

Europe (East) 49.1%
East Balkans 22.4%
West Balkans 11%
Pannonia 10.1%
Northeast Europe 5.6%

Europe (South) 23.7%
South Italy 12.9%
Tuscany 10.9%

Europe (North and West) 8.4%
Germanic 8.4%

Europe (unassigned) 11.9%

Asia (South) 4.5%
Pashtun 4.5%

World (unassigned) 2.3%

.........
Cautious mode (regional)

Europe 93.1%
Northeast Europe-related ancestry 49.1%
Tuscany-related ancestry 32.1%
Europe (unassigned) 11.9%
Pashtun-related ancestry 4.5%
World (unassigned) 2.3%

Orthodox Bulgarian. Ethnic Bulgarian ancestors from Western and Eastern Thrace and East Balkan mountains.

Alexandra_K
08-11-2018, 02:09 PM
Thank you very much, td120! Very interesting results. Are they quite typical for an Orthodox Bulgarian from your region?

What can the Pashtun-related ancestry represent? Actual Pashtun ancestors? I have seen it in other people's Living DNA results too and it seems to be something that Living DNA often gives as result, if I am not mistaken. Thank you!

td120
08-11-2018, 06:39 PM
They're pretty much consistent among Bulgarians . Here are two more results( GF and grandson and not related to me):


grandfather:
Europe South 48%
- Aegean 34%
- North Italy 13%
- Tuscany 1%

Europe East 39%
- East Balkans 13%
- West Balkans 8%
- Finland and West Russia 6%
- Pannonia 6%
- Northeast Europe 5%
- Baltics 2%

Great Britain and Ireland 8-9%
- England and Wales 8-9%

Europe North and West 3%
- Germanic 3%

Near East 1%
- Arabia 1%
............

grandson:
Europe East 49%
- East Balkans 18%
- Pannonia 14%
- Northeast Europe 8%
- West Balkans 4%
- Baltics 3%
- Mordovia 3%

Europe South 36%
- Italy South 12%
- Aegean 12%
- Italy North 6%
- Iberian 5%
- Tuscany 2%

Europe North and West 8%
- Germanic 3%
- France 3%
- Scandinavia 1%

Great Britain and Ireland 3%
- England and Wales 3%

Near East 2%
- North Turkey 1%
- Kurdish 1%

Central Asia 1%
- Northwest Caucasus 1%


Main component are roughly the same...% varies but not much . I am a bit more "southern" compared to my compatriots.The more West we go on the Balkans the more Eastern Europe % we get(while retaining the main components). Here is a Serbian result:


Europe (East) 63.5%
East Balkans 43.7%
Baltics 8.1%
West Balkans 7.1%
Finland and Western Russia 1.9%
Northeast Europe 1.5%
Pannonia 1.2%


Europe (South) 23.6%
Tuscany 13%
North Italy 4.9%
Aegean 4.7%
Iberian Peninsula 1%


Europe (North and West) 7%
France 4.2%
Scandinavia 2.8%
Great Britain and Ireland 1.9%
England and Wales 1.9%


Near East 4%
North Turkey 2.4%
Levant 1.6%

About the Pashtun, Sindh,Kurdish etc. they probably reflect ancient common ancestry. Small % are assigned to many European testers(from all around the continent).

Alexandra_K
08-11-2018, 07:30 PM
Thank you again! Yes, I see that...really interesting, thank you! I guess the same goes for us Greeks, but then the other way around. Some Greeks have more Eastern European and/or Northwestern European ancestry and some less, or even almost none (depending on the region they come from), same goes for West-Asian/Middle Eastern ancestry etc...
I do understand the Eastern European percentages I get based on our family's regional history (especially of Epirus), but I can't directly imagine an explanation for the relatively high Northwestern European percentages that I get on the complete mode. That's why I wrote that maybe the cautious mode is a little more accurate in my case? Then, again the high Tuscan-related ancestry is interesting but also a little puzzling...The earlier common ancestors you mentioned can be in this case, let's say, related to the Etruscan origins of Tuscany or am I going too far back here? :-) Or is it maybe really just some more recent admixture with Italians due to my fa12ther's origin from Kephalonia? I am still trying to understand how these percentages work, but it still seems quite complex to me.
In the case of Bulgarians or Serbians and other Southern Slavs, the Southern percentages are representative of more "native" Balkan ancestry (eg. Greek, Thracian, Dacian, Illyrian...)?

td120
08-11-2018, 10:00 PM
I do understand the Eastern European percentages I get based on our family's regional history (especially of Epirus), but I can't directly imagine an explanation for the relatively high Northwestern European percentages that I get on the complete mode. That's why I wrote that maybe the cautious mode is a little more accurate in my case?
I am curious about this too. Living is the only place where I am getting anything Western European-a whopping 8.4%Germanic.Now there were invasions of Germanic tribes in the last two millenia..but come on... I am pretty sure it will disappear with the future revisions.


Then, again the high Tuscan-related ancestry is interesting but also a little puzzling...The earlier common ancestors you mentioned can be in this case, let's say, related to the Etruscan origins of Tuscany or am I going too far back here? :-) Or is it maybe really just some more recent admixture with Italians due to my fa12ther's origin from Kephalonia? I am still trying to understand how these percentages work, but it still seems quite complex to me.
In Greek cases it might be more complex...I remember seeing a Greek result where the guy was saying one of his ancestors was an Italian volunteer in the Greek War of Independence who embraced the Holy Orthodoxy,married and stayed there,so some of his "italian" % were so to say "real"...The usual case is they reflect common Neolithic and Bronze ancestry imho. Again,for Greeks this is more complex due to the more "intense" relations between the two territories during the centuries... So there's a reason they've combined "Italy/Greece" in AncestryDNA and FTDNA...and in 23andme for example my Greek matches with 4 Greek Grandparents score between 3% and 43.3% Italian(I score only 5 % Italian there) .


In the case of Bulgarians or Serbians and other Southern Slavs, the Southern percentages are representative of more "native" Balkan ancestry (eg. Greek, Thracian, Dacian, Illyrian...)?
Yep that's how I see it too.

Idwaajeden
08-11-2018, 10:14 PM
I am curious about this too. Living is the only place where I am getting anything Western European-a whopping 8.4%Germanic.

Cool result, did you purchase or free upload? I uploaded for free earlier this week still waiting for the results. I anticipate will be some specific breakdown LivingDNA

There was Saxons Germanic in this region middle ages, but probably is reading some ancient markers 8.4 Germanic

Alexandra_K
08-12-2018, 11:10 AM
"I am curious about this too. Living is the only place where I am getting anything Western European-a whopping 8.4%Germanic.Now there were invasions of Germanic tribes in the last two millenia..but come on... I am pretty sure it will disappear with the future revisions".

Yes, there's something I don't "trust" completely too in my West/North European percentages: France 8% (!), Germanic 2.4%, Scandinavian 1.8%. Plus another 9% for Great Britain and Ireland and England and Wales (!?). By the way, I also get 2% British and 2% Western European on Ancestry. Who knows?
Maybe the Franks in the Cyclades? ;-) And the Celts in the Balkans? ;-) But still the percentages are a little too elevated. You are right, they might disappear with future revisions.

"In Greek cases it might be more complex...I remember seeing a Greek result where the guy was saying one of his ancestors was an Italian volunteer in the Greek War of Independence who embraced the Holy Orthodoxy,married and stayed there,so some of his "italian" % were so to say "real"...The usual case is they reflect common Neolithic and Bronze ancestry imho. Again,for Greeks this is more complex due to the more "intense" relations between the two territories during the centuries... So there's a reason they've combined "Italy/Greece" in AncestryDNA and FTDNA...and in 23andme for example my Greek matches with 4 Greek Grandparents score between 3% and 43.3% Italian(I score only 5 % Italian there) ."

True, the relations between the two territories were strong throughout the centuries. Both islands where my father comes from, for example, were under Venetian rule. My father already scores 24.2% Italian at 23andme. So, yes, theoretically speaking this could be more real in our case too.

Alexandra_K
09-06-2018, 11:59 AM
Hello again,
My father recently tested with Living DNA and his results just came out!

I am posting those here:

Complete mode:

Europe 94.1%
Europe (South) 75.7%
Aegean 44.2%
South Italy 16.6%
Tuscany 11.3%
Iberian Peninsula 1.9%
Sardinia 1.7%
Europe (North and West) 7.5%
Scandinavia 3.4%
France 2.7%
Germanic 1.4%
Great Britain and Ireland 5.6%
England and Wales 5.6%
Europe (East) 5.3%
Pannonia 2.1%
East Balkans 2%
Finland and Western Russia 1.2%
Near East 5.9%
Iran 3.6%
Kurdish 2.3%

Cautious mode:

Europe 94.1%
South Italy-related ancestry 73.8%
Northwestern Europe-related ancestry 7%
Northeast Europe-related ancestry 4.1%
Orkney Islands-related ancestry 3.4%
Europe (unassigned) 5.8%
Armenia and Cyprus-related ancestry 3.6%
Kurdish-related ancestry 2.3%


Just for an easier comparison, I post mine too again below:

Complete mode:

Europe 100%
Europe (South) 73.4%
Aegean 44.1%
Tuscany 13.4%
South Italy 12.3%
North Italy 3.5%
Europe (North and West) 12.2%
France 8%
Germanic 2.4%
Scandinavia 1.8%
Europe (East) 10%
East Balkans 5.5%
West Balkans 1.6%
Pannonia 1.5%
Northeast Europe 1.3%
Great Britain and Ireland 4.5%
England and Wales 4.5%

Cautious mode:

Europe 100%
Europe (South) 44.1%
Tuscany-related ancestry 36%
Northeast Europe-related ancestry 10%
North Italy-related ancestry 3.5%
Europe (unassigned) 6.3%

His maternal haplogroup was also further specified to H1 (instead of just H that was his result at 23andme).

Just a reminder, that my father comes from Kefalonia and Kea (50/50), whereas my mother 100% from Epirus. So that makes me 50% from Epirus, 25% from Kefalonia and 25% from Kea. Maybe this will help you understand and compare the above results better.

Any thoughts about the comparison of my results to those of my father? Thank you!

Alexandra_K
09-06-2018, 12:37 PM
Below, I post all of his collected results so that you can see how his Living DNA results fit in. Pretty well, I think ;-)

Father

MyHeritage: Greek 72.2%, Italian 3.7%, East European 3.3%, Baltic 1.1%, Sephardic Jewish- North African 17.9%
Ancestry DNA: Europe South 64%, Europe East 12%, Caucasus 11%, Middle East 9%, European Jewish 2%, Iberian Peninsula 1%, Africa North <1%
23andme: Balkan 54.4%, Italian 29.9%, Eastern European 1.4, Broadly Southern European 6.3%, Western Asian & North African 7.3%, Western Asian 6.8% Turkey, Broadly Western Asian & North African 0.5%, Sub-Saharan African 0.1%, Senegambian & Guinean 0.1%, Unassigned 0.5%(dots: 5 Greece, 5 Albania, 3 Macedonia, 2 Croatia, 2 Romania, 2 Serbia, 1 Italy, 1 Turkey)
FTDNA: Southeast Europe 72%, East Europe 1%, Sephardic 8%, Asia Minor 15%, North Africa 3%, West Middle East < 1%, Northeast Asia <1%
Living DNA: Complete: Europe 94.1%, Europe (South) 75.7%, Aegean 44.2%, South Italy 16.6%, Tuscany 11.3%, Iberian Peninsula, 1.9%,Sardinia 1.7%, Europe (North and West) 7.5%, Scandinavia 3.4%, France 2.7%, Germanic 1.4%, Great Britain and Ireland 5.6%, England and Wales 5.6%, Europe (East) 5.3%, Pannonia 2.1%, East Balkans 2%, Finland and Western Russia 1.2%
Near East 5.9%, Iran 3.6%, Kurdish 2.3%
Cautious: Europe 94.1%, South Italy-related ancestry 73.8%, Northwestern Europe-related ancestry 7%, Northeast Europe-related ancestry 4.1%, Orkney Islands-related ancestry 3.4%, Europe (unassigned) 5.8%, Armenia and Cyprus-related ancestry 3.6%, Kurdish- related ancestry 2.3%
Geneplaza K29: Sicilian 49.8%, Greek-Albanian 36.8%, Eastern European (Southern Slavic) 4.1%, West Asian 8%, Southwest Asian 0.5%
Gencove: 77% Eastern Mediterranean, 5% Northern Africa, 5% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian Plateau, 4% Northern Italy, 4% Southwestern Europe, 3% Middle East, 2% Central Asia
DNA.land: Balkan 85%, Sardinian 5.4%, Indo-Iranian 4%, Arab/Egyptian 3.8%, Central Indoeuropean 1.8%
Eurogenes K13: 1 East_Med 26.64,2 West_Med 21.85, 3 West_Asian 15.23, 4 North_Atlantic 15.2, 5 Baltic12.84, 6 Red_Sea5.38, 7 South_Asian 1.29, 8 East_Asian 0.93, 9 Northeast_African 0.52, 10 Oceanian 0.12
1 Central Greek 3.76, 2 East Sicilian 5.01, 3 Greek Thessaly 5.96
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.723557
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +25% Sardinian +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.177477

Kanenas
09-06-2018, 02:13 PM
I just got my Living DNA results! I am not sure if they are very accurate though since the North and West European as well as the British ancestry seem to be exaggerated...But still might be interesting to compare.
My family is 50% from Epirus (area of Ioannina) and 25% each from Kephalonia and Kea. I did expect some degree of Italian and Slavic admixture (for general historical reasons regarding Greece and also for historical reasons more specifically related to Epirus and Kephalonia, at least) but I cannot imagine where the French/Germanic/ Scandinavian/British contribution comes from -?

Just for the sake of comparison, below my Living DNA results I also post my 23andme, Ancestry DNA, MyHeritage and other results:

Living DNA

Europe 100%

Europe (South) 73.4%

Aegean 44.1%
Tuscany 13.4%
South Italy 12.3%
North Italy 3.5%



Some Slavic groups were likely as 'western' as some modern Germans. As they moved south they mixed with populations with Italic & Balkan admixture. There were Roman settlers in West Balkans, too.

I often read that "White Croats" were from Galicia but Constantine really had said that they were from a region near Bavaria. The source is consistent even with placing them in Austria

If we take into account the use of colors to denote cardinal directions 'White Croatia' would have meant either 'North Croatia' (according to the Slavic system, at least as it is represented in the Ukrainian Soviet Encyclopedic dictionary, Kiev, 1987) or 'West Croatia' (according to the Turkic & Chinese systems)

There are different opinions about the etymologies of the personal names mentioned in their origo gentis like Turkic, Iranian/Alanic or even Baltic-Old Prussian. Usually the arguments used are bad so I am unsure but I would consider the third option.

Either way I think there might have been groups of Slavs with a genetic profile similar to modern Sorbs, at least or even more Northern/Northwestern.

Alexandra_K
09-06-2018, 02:36 PM
Thank you very much, Kanena! :-) Coincidentally yesterday I was watching a video about the old Slavic tribes and I can see what you mean...There was a lot of contact (not always peaceful and that is an understatement, haha) between Franks and Slavs in the area near Bavaria and actually many parts of today's Germany were back then settled by Slavs, so what you say makes sense. Hadn't thought about it this way, thanks! Maybe also the Celts of the Balkans, in the case of Epirus? My 8% France still puzzles me ;-)

kingjohn
09-06-2018, 02:58 PM
Hello again,
My father recently tested with Living DNA and his results just came out!

I am posting those here:

Complete mode:

Europe 94.1%
Europe (South) 75.7%
Aegean 44.2%
South Italy 16.6%
Tuscany 11.3%
Iberian Peninsula 1.9%
Sardinia 1.7%
Europe (North and West) 7.5%
Scandinavia 3.4%
France 2.7%
Germanic 1.4%
Great Britain and Ireland 5.6%
England and Wales 5.6%
Europe (East) 5.3%
Pannonia 2.1%
East Balkans 2%
Finland and Western Russia 1.2%
Near East 5.9%
Iran 3.6%
Kurdish 2.3%

Cautious mode:

Europe 94.1%
South Italy-related ancestry 73.8%
Northwestern Europe-related ancestry 7%
Northeast Europe-related ancestry 4.1%
Orkney Islands-related ancestry 3.4%
Europe (unassigned) 5.8%
Armenia and Cyprus-related ancestry 3.6%
Kurdish-related ancestry 2.3%


Just for an easier comparison, I post mine too again below:

Complete mode:

Europe 100%
Europe (South) 73.4%
Aegean 44.1%
Tuscany 13.4%
South Italy 12.3%
North Italy 3.5%
Europe (North and West) 12.2%
France 8%
Germanic 2.4%
Scandinavia 1.8%
Europe (East) 10%
East Balkans 5.5%
West Balkans 1.6%
Pannonia 1.5%
Northeast Europe 1.3%
Great Britain and Ireland 4.5%
England and Wales 4.5%

Cautious mode:

Europe 100%
Europe (South) 44.1%
Tuscany-related ancestry 36%
Northeast Europe-related ancestry 10%
North Italy-related ancestry 3.5%
Europe (unassigned) 6.3%

His maternal haplogroup was also further specified to H1 (instead of just H that was his result at 23andme).

Just a reminder, that my father comes from Kefalonia and Kea (50/50), whereas my mother 100% from Epirus. So that makes me 50% from Epirus, 25% from Kefalonia and 25% from Kea. Maybe this will help you understand and compare the above results better.

Any thoughts about the comparison of my results to those of my father? Thank you!

your father score 44% aegean in the complete mode a true greek :beerchug:
thanks for sharing :)
interesting the britain % + scandinavia % cool :)

Alexandra_K
09-06-2018, 03:42 PM
Hello, Kingjohn! Yes, cool percentages, thank you ;-)
Funny how I inherited all of his Aegean. I wonder what my mother from Epirus would score in this test. His Scandinavian and British are even a little higher than mine. I wonder if this can mean any actual British ancestry since the times that Kefalonia was under the Brits ;-)

jonahst
09-06-2018, 03:44 PM
Nice results for your dad! What part of Greece is his family from?

Alexandra_K
09-06-2018, 03:59 PM
Hello Jonahst! His father came from Kefalonia (Ionian islands) and his mother from Kea (Cycladic islands).

euasta
09-06-2018, 04:34 PM
Alexandra_K,
I think, perhaps there must also be an old influx of genes original from the Balkans, which are now inherited by those in the N-W Europe.
Your result is similar to that of your father, even though you have nothing from W Asia.
Can you say Y-Dna and mtDna of your father?

Alexandra_K
09-06-2018, 05:18 PM
Hello Euasta!
Interesting....True...In general my results tend to be a little bit more similar to my mother's, but are also similar to my father's of course ;-). Yes, he often gets some non-European percentages that my mother and I lack in some cases, or have less of.
Yes, of course! His paternal haplogroup is J1 PF7263 (he has tested at Yseq) and his maternal haplogroup is H1 (23andme gives him just H, but according to Living DNA he belongs to H1).

Amsterdam
06-28-2019, 02:34 PM
Perhaps the crusades also brought some northwestern DNA to southeastern Europe.

Alexandra_K
06-28-2019, 03:20 PM
Perhaps the crusades also brought some northwestern DNA to southeastern Europe.

Amsterdam, hoi! Ja, dit is wel waar ;) Yes, that's true, very possible.