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aleene
07-19-2018, 02:24 PM
Are there any R1 descendants around? With 23andme-data jameslick categorised me as R1a1a2.

sgdavies@hotmail.com
07-19-2018, 05:56 PM
Yes me, I think most of Europe is descended from R1, R1a + R1b

aleene
07-20-2018, 10:24 AM
Yes, you are right if you talk about the Y-DNA.

However the mtDNA variant of R1 is not yet well known. The James Lick calculator gave me:

H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ H2a ⇨ H2 ⇨ H ⇨ HV ⇨ R0 ⇨ R ⇨ R1 ⇨ R1a ⇨ R1a1 ⇨ R1a1a ⇨ R1a1a1

aleene
07-20-2018, 10:25 AM
Yes, you are right if you talk about the Y-DNA.

However the mtDNA variant of R1 is not yet well known. The James Lick calculator gave me:

H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ H2a ⇨ H2 ⇨ H ⇨ HV ⇨ R0 ⇨ R ⇨ R1 ⇨ R1a ⇨ R1a1 ⇨ R1a1a ⇨ R1a1a1

sgdavies@hotmail.com
07-20-2018, 11:06 AM
Yes, you are right if you talk about the Y-DNA.

However the mtDNA variant of R1 is not yet well known. The James Lick calculator gave me:

H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ H2a ⇨ H2 ⇨ H ⇨ HV ⇨ R0 ⇨ R ⇨ R1 ⇨ R1a ⇨ R1a1 ⇨ R1a1a ⇨ R1a1a1

Sorry, just realised you are talking about mtdna. :behindsofa:

msmarjoribanks
07-20-2018, 03:19 PM
Yes, you are right if you talk about the Y-DNA.

However the mtDNA variant of R1 is not yet well known. The James Lick calculator gave me:

H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ H2a ⇨ H2 ⇨ H ⇨ HV ⇨ R0 ⇨ R ⇨ R1 ⇨ R1a ⇨ R1a1 ⇨ R1a1a ⇨ R1a1a1

Interesting. R in general arose in SW Asia and is associated with "the peopling of Eurasia after about 70,000 years ago, and is distributed in modern populations throughout the world outside of sub-Saharan Africa." (quoted from wiki) Major European haplogroups that descend from R (but not R1) include HV (and then H and V), U (and then K), JT (and then J and T).

R1a is in India and West Asia, and R1a1 in W Asia and NW Europe (Russia and Poland).

From haplogroup.org on R1a1a: "Published literature only has a handful of people who belong to this line but not one of its daughter lines. The two citizen science donated samples do not have demographic information (Behar et al., 2012b). Two samples come from Fedorova et al., 2013. One is Italian and the other Assyrian. There is a member of this lineage in a study of the maternal origins of India (Palanichamy et al., 2004).

Geno 2 data includes people from Bosnia and Herzegovina, Netherlands, Poland, and Spain. There are also many participants from the United States with European maternal origins."

On R1a1a1, it says: "There are two people from this line documented in academic publication. One is a Russian (Malyarchuk et al., 2008a) and the other a Mordvin (Fedorova et al., 2013). Geno 2 data does include not any members."

That's good to learn; I wasn't familiar at all with the R1 haplogroups.

aleene
07-22-2018, 12:53 PM
It is indeed confusing R1 in Y and in mtDNA.

I have to order an extra analysis if I want to finetune the R1 mtDNA.