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khanabadoshi
08-10-2018, 02:36 AM
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Jatt1
08-10-2018, 07:24 AM
LivingDNA results for JattRD


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Family Ancestry Map
Asia (South) 83.4%
Near East 9.9%
Europe 5.6%
Asia (Central) 1.2%


HarappaWorld Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 38.52
2 S-Indian 29.19
3 NE-Euro 13.67
4 Caucasian 13.5
5 SW-Asian 1.75
6 American 1.52
7 Siberian 1.29
8 Papuan 0.56

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 3.3
2 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 4.41
3 kashmiri (harappa) 5.64
4 sindhi (harappa) 5.67
5 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.71
6 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.25
7 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 6.39
8 punjabi (harappa) 6.68
9 haryana-jatt (harappa) 6.85
10 pathan (hgdp) 6.93
11 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 7.22
12 bhatia (harappa) 8.23
13 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 8.5
14 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 8.77
15 punjabi-arain (xing) 8.86
16 up-muslim (harappa) 9.2
17 nepalese-a (xing) 9.52
18 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 9.57
19 kalash (hgdp) 9.97
20 burusho (hgdp) 10.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.1% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 25.9% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 2.42
2 97.2% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.8% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2.48
3 97.1% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.9% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.62
4 96.9% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 3.1% russian (hgdp) @ 2.64
5 96.8% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 3.2% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 2.7
6 97.1% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.9% belorussian (behar) @ 2.73
7 97.1% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.9% russian (behar) @ 2.74
8 87.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 12.7% urkarah (xing) @ 2.76
9 96.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 3.3% chuvash (behar) @ 2.77
10 97.1% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.82
11 85.6% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 14.4% urkarah (xing) @ 2.84
12 85.4% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 14.6% nepalese-a (xing) @ 2.92
13 97.5% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.5% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.92
14 68.4% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 31.6% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.93
15 97.5% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.5% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.94
16 97.5% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.5% n-european (xing) @ 2.95
17 97.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.4% british (1000genomes) @ 2.97
18 97.5% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.5% slovenian (xing) @ 2.97
19 97.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.4% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.98
20 97.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 2.4% hungarian (behar) @ 3

vintage_sky
08-14-2018, 03:03 PM
Asia (South) 80.2%
Sindh 38.9%
Indian subcontinent 34.1%
Pashtun 5.9%
Burusho 1.3%

Near East 12.3%
North Turkey 7.5%
Armenia and Cyprus 3.5%
Kurdish 1.3%

Europe 6.1%
Germanic 2.9%
Western Russia 2.2%
Northwestern Europe 1.1%

Asia (East) 1.3%
South China 1.3%

khanabadoshi
08-14-2018, 11:12 PM
https://i.gyazo.com/780f1c9c4a8367222b26bcde136ba6db.png

Jatt1
08-15-2018, 08:41 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/780f1c9c4a8367222b26bcde136ba6db.png

Is that breakdown from Livingdna, I got nothing like that for JattRD from them?

khanabadoshi
08-15-2018, 09:10 AM
Is that breakdown from Livingdna, I got nothing like that for JattRD from them?

Yeah, LivingDNA has a few different breakdowns, you have to click the tabs in the results section to see regional breakdowns and such.

Jatt1
08-15-2018, 09:29 AM
LivingDNA results for JattRD


Regional

Asia (South) 83.4%
Indian subcontinent 43%
Sindh 32.8%
Pashtun 7.6%
Near East 9.9%
North Turkey 4.3%
South Turkey 3.9%
Iran 1.6%
Europe 5.6%
Northwestern Europe 5.6%
Asia (Central) 1.2%
Northwest Caucasus 1.2%

aaronbee2010
08-17-2018, 01:16 AM
Family Ancestry:

Asia (South) - 78%
Sindh - 29.8%
Indian subcontinent - 29.5%
Pashtun - 18.7%
Europe - 15%
Great Britain and Ireland - 13.5%
- East Anglia - 4.1%
- Southeast England - 3.5%
- South England - 2.2%
- South Central England - 2.1%
- South Wales Border - 1.6%
Europe (North and West) - 1.5%
- Germanic - 1.5%
Near East - 7%
Iran - 4.9%
North Turkey - 2.2%

Motherline:

Haplogroup: U7
Subclade: U7a3

Fatherline:

Haplogroup: R2
Subclade: R-Y1383 (R2a2b1b2a1a1 according to 2018 ISOGG Tree)

Calculators:

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results:

South_Asian 38.63%
West_Asian 34.84%
North_Atlantic 10.85%
Baltic 9.34%
East_Med 3.19%
Amerindian 1.26%
Oceanian 1.13%
Siberian 0.77%

Single Population Sharing:

Population - Distance
Punjabi_Jat - 5.55
Pathan - 7.4
Kalash - 9.79
Sindhi - 10.93
Burusho - 11.22
Afghan_Pashtun - 13.79
Brahmin_UP - 18.12
Gujarati - 19.62
Balochi - 20.23
Makrani - 20.98
Kshatriya - 21.05
Brahui - 21.2
Tadjik - 21.27
Afghan_Tadjik - 23.1
Bangladeshi - 25.64
Dharkar - 29.11
Kanjar - 30.09
Turkmen - 31.04
Tabassaran - 32.53
Velamas - 32.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1st Population - 2nd Population - Distance

84.4% Sindhi + 15.6% North_Swedish - 2.17
84.3% Sindhi + 15.7% Swedish - 2.33
84.5% Sindhi + 15.5% Norwegian - 2.54
83.8% Sindhi + 16.2% North_German - 2.75
84.8% Sindhi + 15.2% Southwest_Finnish - 2.76
84.2% Sindhi + 15.8% Danish - 2.78
84.4% Sindhi + 15.6% North_Dutch - 2.83
85.3% Sindhi + 14.7% La_Brana-1 - 3.07
84.6% Sindhi + 15.4% Irish - 3.12
84.6% Sindhi + 15.4% Orcadian - 3.12
84.7% Sindhi + 15.3% West_Scottish - 3.19
85.1% Sindhi + 14.9% Finnish - 3.24
91.6% Punjabi_Jat + 8.4% Italian_Abruzzo - 3.32
62.6% Gujarati + 37.4% Tabassaran - 3.39
84.7% Sindhi + 15.3% Southeast_English - 3.4
88.1% Punjabi_Jat + 11.9% Tabassaran - 3.44
83.6% Sindhi+ 16.4% East_German - 3.44
82.9% Punjabi_Jat + 17.1% Tadjik - 3.46
85.3% Sindhi + 14.7% Estonian - 3.46
92.3% Punjabi_Jat + 7.7% Tuscan - 3.48

HarappaWorld:

Admix Results:

Baloch - 40.17%
S-Indian - 24.45%
NE-Euro - 14.32%
Caucasian - 11.26%
Mediterranean - 3.49%
Siberian - 2.45%
SW-Asian - 1.88%
Papuan - 0.98%
American - 0.63%
Beringian - 0.3%
Pygmy - 0.07%

Single Population Sharing:

Population - Distance
punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) - 4.31
haryana-jatt (harappa) - 5.45
pathan (hgdp) - 5.8
sindhi (harappa) - 6.88
bhatia (harappa) - 7
punjabi-khatri (harappa) - 7.15
burusho (hgdp) - 8.99
punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) - 8.99
kashmiri (harappa) - 9.04
kalash (hgdp) - 9.15
kashmiri-pandit (reich) - 9.42
punjabi-arain (xing) - 9.77
punjabi-brahmin (harappa) - 9.86
punjabi (harappa) - 9.94
singapore-indian-c (sgvp) - 10.02
sindhi (hgdp) - 10.69
punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) - 10.9
kashmiri-pahari (harappa) - 11.03
nepalese-a (xing) - 11.44
pashtun (harappa) - 11.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1st Population - 2nd Population - Distance

80.6% haryana-jatt (harappa) + 19.4% balochi (hgdp) - 2.45
84.4% sindhi (hgdp) + 15.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) - 2.48
85.3% sindhi (hgdp) + 14.7% russian (behar) - 2.5
82.9% haryana-jatt (harappa) + 17.1% makrani (hgdp) - 2.55
52% haryana-jatt (harappa) + 48% pathan (hgdp) - 2.6
84.5% sindhi (hgdp) + 15.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) - 2.67
83.3% haryana-jatt (harappa) + 16.7% brahui (hgdp) - 2.68
86.3% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 13.7% tajik (yunusbayev) - 2.71
85.4% sindhi (hgdp) + 14.6% belorussian (behar) - 2.83
85.7% punjabi-arain (xing) + 14.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) - 2.87
83.1% sindhi (hgdp) + 16.9% chuvash (behar) - 3.04
85.8% punjabi-arain (xing) + 14.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) - 3.04
94.1% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 5.9% romanian-a (behar) - 3.08
94.6% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 5.4% hungarian (behar) - 3.09
84.5% punjabi-arain (xing) + 15.5% chuvash (behar) - 3.09
92.6% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 7.4% stalskoe (xing) - 3.09
94.2% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 5.8% bulgarian (yunusbayev) - 3.09
92.8% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 7.2% urkarah (xing) - 3.09
86.7% punjabi-arain (xing) + 13.3% russian (behar) - 3.12
58.4% haryana-jatt (harappa) + 41.6% bhatia (harappa) - 3.12

Amber29
11-22-2018, 03:59 PM
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Asia (South) 64.1%
Sindh 27.7%
Pashtun 25.2%
Indian subcontinent 10%
Southern Central Asia 1.2%
Near East 30.2%
Iran 24.5%
North Turkey 5.7%
Europe 5.7%
Germanic 2.9%
Northwestern Europe 2.8%

Censored
11-23-2018, 01:59 AM
27223

Asia (South) 64.1%
Sindh 27.7%
Pashtun 25.2%
Indian subcontinent 10%
Southern Central Asia 1.2%
Near East 30.2%
Iran 24.5%
North Turkey 5.7%
Europe 5.7%
Germanic 2.9%
Northwestern Europe 2.8%

I canít believe how much near east you got, and how low your Indian subcontinent is. But gedmatch calculators show you as being typical for the region. Now Iím less excited about what results I get, cause itís probably nowhere close to reliable.

passion
11-23-2018, 02:34 AM
I can’t believe how much near east you got, and how low your Indian subcontinent is. But gedmatch calculators show you as being typical for the region. Now I’m less excited about what results I get, cause it’s probably nowhere close to reliable.

yeah, why People from same ethnicity/similar region are getting so different results?

Amber29
11-23-2018, 09:37 AM
I canít believe how much near east you got, and how low your Indian subcontinent is. But gedmatch calculators show you as being typical for the region. Now Iím less excited about what results I get, cause itís probably nowhere close to reliable.

I can understand that. I was trying to compare it with GEDMATCH but this result was also as close to MyHeritage aswell, just percentages are different, obv shouldnt be taken too literally but livingdna and myheritage results is somewhat similar

Amber29
11-23-2018, 09:40 AM
if anyone can tell me how do download the raw data from livingdna and maybe send the gedmatch calculator here too ill edit it into my post with the results.

agent_lime
11-23-2018, 11:17 AM
if anyone can tell me how do download the raw data from livingdna and maybe send the gedmatch calculator here too ill edit it into my post with the results.

http://livingdna.groovehq.com/knowledge_base/topics/how-do-i-get-my-raw-data

Amber29
11-23-2018, 12:22 PM
http://livingdna.groovehq.com/knowledge_base/topics/how-do-i-get-my-raw-data

All I see is export to CSV no download link .. sigh...maybe because i uploaded it for free this is what I get lol but thanks anyways!

agent_lime
11-23-2018, 12:33 PM
All I see is export to CSV no download link .. sigh...maybe because i uploaded it for free this is what I get lol but thanks anyways!

You can't get raw data from a company that didn't map your genome. It can't add any more data than what you gave it. Just use the same file you uploaded to Living DNA. What are you exactly trying to do here?

Amber29
11-23-2018, 12:41 PM
You can't get raw data from a company that didn't map your genome. It can't add any more data than what you gave it. Just use the same file you uploaded to Living DNA. What are you exactly trying to do here?

LOL i have my gedmatch from all other companies was just trying to see the possibilities here see if there a difference.... SILLY FOR TRYING LOL but maybe i just might take a LIVING DNA on the next sale.

khanabadoshi
11-23-2018, 06:38 PM
LOL i have my gedmatch from all other companies was just trying to see the possibilities here see if there a difference.... SILLY FOR TRYING LOL but maybe i just might take a LIVING DNA on the next sale.

I'm trying to follow this, so correct me if I'm wrong:

You transferred a file from another company to LivingDNA for a free ethnicity report? And that is what you posted from Living DNA?
Export to CSV should be a data file of some sort. However, it will likely just be a rearragement of the data file you submitted to Living DNA in the first place.
So the question is, from which company did you upload your data to Living DNA. That will help to understand why your results are as they are.

If you have 23andme V5, that is fairly comparable to LivingDNA and I would say that you don't need to purchase a LivingDNA kit when it's on sale, as the results would probably be similar.
If you uploaded from FTDNA, 23andme V4, MyHeritage, or AncestryDNA -- the results are probably going to be markedly different.

Amber29
11-23-2018, 09:50 PM
I'm trying to follow this, so correct me if I'm wrong:

You transferred a file from another company to LivingDNA for a free ethnicity report? And that is what you posted from Living DNA?
Export to CSV should be a data file of some sort. However, it will likely just be a rearragement of the data file you submitted to Living DNA in the first place.
So the question is, from which company did you upload your data to Living DNA. That will help to understand why your results are as they are.

If you have 23andme V5, that is fairly comparable to LivingDNA and I would say that you don't need to purchase a LivingDNA kit when it's on sale, as the results would probably be similar.
If you uploaded from FTDNA, 23andme V4, MyHeritage, or AncestryDNA -- the results are probably going to be markedly different.

because ive uploaded a few test on LIVING DNA the the last one showed up i am assuming is 23ANDME test. I am still waiting on the other two if they pop up. It was a stupid of me to do.... overworking it.....

nuplix
11-23-2018, 09:53 PM
I am still waiting for my results ...

Amber29
11-23-2018, 10:24 PM
yeah, why People from same ethnicity/similar region are getting so different results?

think people have different histories and are from different tribes/clans/caste/location maybe that makes a difference? you may know better...

Sapporo
11-24-2018, 02:19 AM
yeah, why People from same ethnicity/similar region are getting so different results?

It doesn't look like Living DNA mapped her genome. She transferred it from 23andMe or another company. That's probably the reason for the funky results.

@Amber Can you post your MyHeritage results? Your Living DNA results suggests you would score notably different than other NW South Asians but your GEDMatch shows you as typical for someone from Northwest Punjab/Potohar/Southern AJK areas.

Amber29
11-24-2018, 09:31 AM
It doesn't look like Living DNA mapped her genome. She transferred it from 23andMe or another company. That's probably the reason for the funky results.

@Amber Can you post your MyHeritage results? Your Living DNA results suggests you would score notably different than other NW South Asians but your GEDMatch shows you as typical for someone from Northwest Punjab/Potohar/Southern AJK areas.

here you go, and yes I do question the 10 percent% and it was 23andme V5 one I had used (I went back to check the dates of each test i put through properly) Guess you can help me out here! I have uploaded another test to see what shows up on that.
27252

Also if you want to see my other MY uploaded test do let me know.but the one above was the one i actually tested with them other two were same except the last 23andme version just gave me an extra eastern european dna. thats it. ancestry was the same.

26284729292
11-24-2018, 11:43 PM
Are uploads free?

Censored
11-24-2018, 11:58 PM
Are uploads free?

Apparently. No idea how long they take though. Use the link and sign up:

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/ancestry-dna-testing/

laltota
11-25-2018, 12:55 PM
For what its worth - Living DNA breakdown for Complete, Standard and Cautious tabs in Family Ancestry section.
"Your family ancestry map shows the areas of the world where you share genetic ancestry in recent times (10 generations)".

Not sure what to make of Pashtun-related ancestry 63.2% and Asia (South) 25.4% under Cautious tab option. If anything I would have thought it should be other way around. I am going to query this with Living DNA.

UPDATE:
Just noticed, Pashtun-related ancestry 63.2% under Cautious Tab is same as total of Sindh + Pashtun + Near East under Standard Tab

Complete tab - Here we have attempted to assign all ancestry, allocating 'unassigned' percentages to regions to which they look most similar. There will be more uncertainty associated with these assignments.

Asia (South) 67.6%
Sindh 36%
Indian subcontinent 25.4%
Pashtun 6.3%
Near East 20.9%
Iran 16.7%
Armenia and Cyprus 4.3%
Europe 11.5%
Northwestern Europe 6%
South Italy 2.3%
Aegean 1.7%
Germanic 1.5%
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Standard Tab - Here we highlight the sources of your ancestry which are likely to be present, using our best-guess of the exact source. Ancestry that cannot be attributed to one of our reference populations is shown as being 'unassigned.
Asia (South) 67.6%
Sindh 36%
Indian subcontinent 25.4%
Pashtun 6.3%
Near East 20.9%
Iran 16.7%
Armenia and Cyprus 4.3%
Europe 9.2%
Northwestern Europe 6%
Aegean 1.7%
Germanic 1.5%
World (unassigned) 2.3%

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Cautious Tab - Here we have grouped genetically similar populations together. We are most certain about these assignments of your ancestry breakdown.
Pashtun-related ancestry 63.2%

Asia (South) 25.4%
Indian subcontinent 25.4%

Northwestern Europe-related ancestry 6%
Aegean-related ancestry 1.7%
Europe 1.5%
Germanic 1.5%

World (unassigned) 2.3%
27285

26284729292
11-26-2018, 07:28 AM
Any idea on how long these take guys?

Amber29
11-26-2018, 01:32 PM
Any idea on how long these take guys?

A week or so if not then it may not be part of the services they were offering (as they did have a limited offer for ancestry uploads)

MonkeyDLuffy
11-26-2018, 05:07 PM
It's on sale right now for $69 in Canada. 23&me is for $74 right now.

My results came in btw:

27300

Arlus
11-26-2018, 05:39 PM
From Myheritage raw data-
27301273022730327304
I plan to buy their kit next year, mainly to ascertain my haplogroups.

Censored
11-26-2018, 09:27 PM
From Myheritage raw data-
27301273022730327304
I plan to buy their kit next year, mainly to ascertain my haplogroups.

Yeah...their calculator is just ridiculous.

Sapporo
11-27-2018, 12:02 AM
Yeah...their calculator is just ridiculous.

It works alright for those who actually had Living DNA map their genome. For everyone else who transferred over 23andMe, My Heritage, AncestryDNA, etc., it's all over the place. Aaronbee and myself had relatively "normal" results since we had Living DNA map our genomes.

In other words, don't take your transferred raw data results seriously. They aren't accurate.

clocknative
12-27-2018, 12:11 PM
My results:

Asia (South) 74.2%
Sindh 35.3%
Pashtun 20.4%
Indian subcontinent 18.5%
Europe 18.6%
Europe (South) 5.6%
Europe (North and West) 4.8%
Europe (East) 4.7%
Great Britain and Ireland 3.5%
Near East 7.2%
Iran 4.3%
Kurdish 2.9%


HarappaWorld:



1
Baloch
42.32


2
S-Indian
32.62


3
Caucasian
12.39


4
NE-Euro
7.74


5
SE-Asian
1.71


6
SW-Asian
1.04


7
Mediterranean
0.71


8
San
0.65


9
NE-Asian
0.56


10
Papuan
0.25

khanabadoshi
12-27-2018, 04:58 PM
My results:

Asia (South) 74.2%
Sindh 35.3%
Pashtun 20.4%
Indian subcontinent 18.5%
Europe 18.6%
Europe (South) 5.6%
Europe (North and West) 4.8%
Europe (East) 4.7%
Great Britain and Ireland 3.5%
Near East 7.2%
Iran 4.3%
Kurdish 2.9%


HarappaWorld:



1
Baloch
42.32


2
S-Indian
32.62


3
Caucasian
12.39


4
NE-Euro
7.74


5
SE-Asian
1.71


6
SW-Asian
1.04


7
Mediterranean
0.71


8
San
0.65


9
NE-Asian
0.56


10
Papuan
0.25




Mind posting your Harappa Oracles in this thread? https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15471-Post-HarappaWorld-results

aaronbee2010
12-27-2018, 10:18 PM
From Myheritage raw data-
27301273022730327304
I plan to buy their kit next year, mainly to ascertain my haplogroups.

LivingDNA results are subpar for uploaded DNA results. I wouldn't take them seriously.

Myheritage and FTDNA are the best DNA tests for South Asians on offer today. I would upload your Myheritage DNA file directly to GEDmatch.

If you do this, I would appreciate if you could post HarappaWorld results :)

Sapporo
12-28-2018, 03:19 AM
LivingDNA results are subpar for uploaded DNA results. I wouldn't take them seriously.

Myheritage and FTDNA are the best DNA tests for South Asians on offer today. I would upload your Myheritage DNA file directly to GEDmatch.

If you do this, I would appreciate if you could post HarappaWorld results :)

For autosomal and GEDmatch, Ancestry DNA is good too. So the top 3 would be Ancestry DNA, MyHeritage and FTDNA. 23andme V5 and Living DNA are more or less terrible for GEDmatch.

Mingle
12-28-2018, 04:04 AM
For autosomal and GEDmatch, Ancestry DNA is good too. So the top 3 would be Ancestry DNA, MyHeritage and FTDNA. 23andme V5 and Living DNA are more or less terrible for GEDmatch.

Which one would you say has better raw data between AncsetryDNA and FTDNA?

Sapporo
12-28-2018, 04:24 AM
Which one would you say has better raw data between AncsetryDNA and FTDNA?
You would be fine with either. They are rather similar and both will be very close to if you got tested by 23andme V3.

Arlus
08-29-2019, 01:40 PM
My Living DNA results arrived today. I am satisfied with the results but it would have been much better if Y dna results were a little more downstream at least.
Y Haplogroup: L1307 (L1a2 perhaps?)
Mitochondrial Haplogroup: (M2a3)
Can someone please elucidate me regarding my haplogroups (L1a2 is somewhat rare outside NW India I guess & M2a3 appears to be much more common in east asia)?
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Sapporo
08-29-2019, 11:34 PM
My Living DNA results arrived today. I am satisfied with the results but it would have been much better if Y dna results were a little more downstream at least.
Y Haplogroup: L1307 (L1a2 perhaps?)
Mitochondrial Haplogroup: (M2a3)
Can someone please elucidate me regarding my haplogroups (L1a2 is somewhat rare outside NW India I guess & M2a3 appears to be much more common in east asia)?


L1307 is definitely a subclade of L1a2 but I'm not too familiar with it. Below is the branching from Yfull.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-L1307/

L1a2 as a whole seems to be concentrated around NW India, Northern Pakistan (Kalash, Burusho) and Afghanistan (Pashtuns, some Pamiris) but is also found at higher frequencies among some "warrior" and agricultural castes of South India and scattered throughout South Asia at lower frequencies.

aaronbee2010
08-30-2019, 03:25 PM
L1307 is definitely a subclade of L1a2 but I'm not too familiar with it. Below is the branching from Yfull.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-L1307/

L1a2 as a whole seems to be concentrated around NW India, Northern Pakistan (Kalash, Burusho) and Afghanistan (Pashtuns, some Pamiris) but is also found at higher frequencies among some "warrior" and agricultural castes of South India and scattered throughout South Asia at lower frequencies.

L1307 is equivalent to M357. You can look at L-L1307 on YFull, look at the other SNPs under it and find M357.

kush
11-13-2019, 02:49 PM
Living dna free upload available now. The results are very broad but still its something. Its $40 for the detailed results (ex. indian, pashtun, sindhi, etc). For the broad regions without upgrade, there's no need to pay.

Here are my results

https://i.imgur.com/ERkMZyZ.png

Amber29
11-13-2019, 03:00 PM
Living dna free upload available now. The results are very broad but still its something. Its $40 for the detailed results (ex. indian, pashtun, sindhi, etc). For the broad regions without upgrade, there's no need to pay.

Here are my results

https://i.imgur.com/ERkMZyZ.png

They arent consistant at all for me and my family

Censored
11-14-2019, 06:05 PM
Yea just did the living dna thing it’s kinda pointless really

Arlus
11-20-2019, 04:55 AM
Living dna free upload available now. The results are very broad but still its something. Its $40 for the detailed results (ex. indian, pashtun, sindhi, etc). For the broad regions without upgrade, there's no need to pay.

Here are my results

https://i.imgur.com/ERkMZyZ.png

Perhaps that east asian in your (& probably mine too) case is shared east eurasian ancestry

Dr_McNinja
11-21-2019, 05:41 AM
LivingDNA results for me and HRP0370. These are autosomal transfers so I only did 2, both from 23andMe V3.

tipirneni
11-28-2019, 01:01 AM
I did full swab testing

Asia(South) - 97.1%
Asia(East) - 2.9%

ssamlal
11-29-2019, 09:55 PM
My results (uploaded my 23andMe v5, AncestryDNA and MyHeritage kits; not sure which result corresponds to which kit):

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ssamlal
11-29-2019, 10:27 PM
Any other South Asian with a "Europe" percentage? And if so, are the highlighted countries the same as what I see (UK, Ireland, Iceland, Norway & Sweden), or are they different? I'm sure it's not correct, but I'm still curious.

35048

FrostAssassin0701
11-29-2019, 11:30 PM
Any other South Asian with a "Europe" percentage? And if so, are the highlighted countries the same as what I see (UK, Ireland, Iceland, Norway & Sweden), or are they different? I'm sure it's not correct, but I'm still curious.

35048
I uploaded the same DNA file twice and got significantly different results. One showed 0% Europe and the other showed 8% with Northern Italy highlighted.

misanthropy
11-29-2019, 11:41 PM
via 23andme v5

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Dr_McNinja
11-30-2019, 04:01 PM
Any other South Asian with a "Europe" percentage? And if so, are the highlighted countries the same as what I see (UK, Ireland, Iceland, Norway & Sweden), or are they different? I'm sure it's not correct, but I'm still curious.

35048

Some Jatts from Haryana/UP will show large European %s

misanthropy
11-30-2019, 09:21 PM
via 23andme v5

35052

Alright I just did the paid version
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Dr_McNinja
12-20-2019, 10:17 PM
My results, one from a sample directly submitted to Living DNA (that one has the 6% European). And the other is a transfer from 23andMe V3.

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Dr_McNinja
12-20-2019, 10:36 PM
There were around 690k SNPs for the Living DNA raw data. Only 68% overlap with gedmatch calculators like HarappaWorld though.

Anyone know the stats of the new FTDNA autosomal test? Total number of SNPs and % overlap with gedmatch?

Does any test remain that still has good overlap with gedmatch? Aside from a WGS test like Dante Labs (though $199 for a great autosomal test that overlaps with everything plus your Y+mtDNA to halfway decent resolution isn't bad).

tipirneni
12-20-2019, 10:53 PM
There were around 690k SNPs for the Living DNA raw data. Only 68% overlap with gedmatch calculators like HarappaWorld though.

Anyone know the stats of the new FTDNA autosomal test? Total number of SNPs and % overlap with gedmatch?

Does any test remain that still has good overlap with gedmatch? Aside from a WGS test like Dante Labs (though $199 for a great autosomal test that overlaps with everything plus your Y+mtDNA to halfway decent resolution isn't bad).

I combined LivingDNA+myHeritage+Ancestry using DNAKitStudio to get 1,323,600 entries. It is pretty big coverage.

Dr_McNinja
12-22-2019, 03:50 PM
I combined LivingDNA+myHeritage+Ancestry using DNAKitStudio to get 1,323,600 entries. It is pretty big coverage.

I just did the same. 23andMe V3, FTDNA FF (previous version), LivingDNA (latest version) and Geno 2.0 (older version with <200k):

Original 23andMe V3

Population
S-Indian 37.07 Pct
Baloch 34.85 Pct
Caucasian 10.75 Pct
NE-Euro 9.51 Pct
SE-Asian 0.12 Pct
Siberian 1.55 Pct
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.85 Pct
American 1.05 Pct
Beringian 1.78 Pct
Mediterranean 1.24 Pct
SW-Asian 1.23 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

Combined via DNA Kit Studio:

Population
S-Indian 36.96 Pct
Baloch 34.78 Pct
Caucasian 10.66 Pct
NE-Euro 9.62 Pct
SE-Asian 0.18 Pct
Siberian 1.61 Pct
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.87 Pct
American 1.00 Pct
Beringian 1.74 Pct
Mediterranean 1.30 Pct
SW-Asian 1.27 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

Around 1.3+ million total SNPs and 185+k used in HarappaWorld for the combined kit.

The problem is combining kits using either Gedmatch's superkit tool or DNAKitstudio breaks my "One to Many" results. Even cousins drop from like 1200 cM to 900 cM in some cases for no reason, even though One to One shows the original match. Guess you just have to leave all the original kits on.

Dr_McNinja
12-22-2019, 04:03 PM
Also, FYI, MyHeritage can't take LivingDNA uploads for the time being

tipirneni
12-22-2019, 06:04 PM
I just did the same. 23andMe V3, FTDNA FF (previous version), LivingDNA (latest version) and Geno 2.0 (older version with <200k):

Original 23andMe V3

Population
S-Indian 37.07 Pct
Baloch 34.85 Pct
Caucasian 10.75 Pct
NE-Euro 9.51 Pct
SE-Asian 0.12 Pct
Siberian 1.55 Pct
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.85 Pct
American 1.05 Pct
Beringian 1.78 Pct
Mediterranean 1.24 Pct
SW-Asian 1.23 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

Combined via DNA Kit Studio:

Population
S-Indian 36.96 Pct
Baloch 34.78 Pct
Caucasian 10.66 Pct
NE-Euro 9.62 Pct
SE-Asian 0.18 Pct
Siberian 1.61 Pct
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.87 Pct
American 1.00 Pct
Beringian 1.74 Pct
Mediterranean 1.30 Pct
SW-Asian 1.27 Pct
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

Around 1.3+ million total SNPs and 185+k used in HarappaWorld for the combined kit.

The problem is combining kits using either Gedmatch's superkit tool or DNAKitstudio breaks my "One to Many" results. Even cousins drop from like 1200 cM to 900 cM in some cases for no reason, even though One to One shows the original match. Guess you just have to leave all the original kits on.

Yes, combining breaks many previous results because most other kits lack the SNPs in that fashion. But only thing it is useful for might be better calculator matching & with some aDNA samples

jortita
12-23-2019, 08:15 AM
Ancestry DNA updated results:

Southern and Eastern Indian 99%
East Asian 1%

Does not make sense at all, I think Ethnogene is the best

Living DNA updated results

Asia South 79.3%
Indian Sub-Continent 35.7%
Sindh 23.7%
Pashtun 16.9%
Burusho 2.9%

Asia (East) 20.7%
Southwest China 12%
Southeast Asia 8.7%

I think Living DNA and these other tests completely misread Bodo Kachari and Tai Ahom genetic markers as being Sindhi or Pathan and other South Asian ethnic groups

FTDNA Uploaded to Living DNA
68.9%

Indian subcontinent
52.8%
Pashtun
11.9%
Sindh
2.9%
Burusho
1.2%
Asia (East)

21.4%

North China
11.8%
South China
5%
Southeast Asia
2.2%
Southwest China
1.3%
Japan and Korea
1.2%
Near East

5.5%

Iran
3.8%
North Turkey
1.7%
Europe

4.1%

Northwestern Europe
1.9%
Germanic
1.2%
South Italy
1%

Asia (South)

67.4%

Indian subcontinent
52.3%
Pashtun
12.9%
Burusho
2.1%
Asia (East)

21.6%

North China
15%
Southeast Asia
2.6%
Southwest China
2%
South China
1.9%
Europe

8%

South Italy
4.8%
Orkney Islands
2%
Northwestern Europe
1.3%
Near East

3%

North Turkey
1.9%
South Turkey
1.1%

clocknative
12-25-2019, 09:52 AM
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These are my results from AncestryDNA transfer, I think I have the highest Sindhi on this forum on LDNA. I wonder why they don't have a Punjabi reference or maybe its included in the Indian subcontinent category?
Its interesting that I keep getting Kurdish for upload and swab test, this could be some Indo-Iranian related ancestry probably.

discreetmaverick
12-27-2019, 03:53 AM
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Then, it seems I have the highest Sindhi for the forum, mytrueancestry gave the brahmin dynasty of Sindh as the closest ancient match, wonder if they using the same or some of those samples as reference/s.

Probably only one to have Japan and Korea among SA results that could be related to Negrito/Jamoan ancestry as I had relatively high Papuan in Harappaworld.

Here is a list of reference regions used by the Living DNA

https://support.livingdna.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019480992-Which-regions-can-we-compare-your-ancestry-with-

clocknative
12-27-2019, 07:38 AM
35630
35631

Then, it seems I have the highest Sindhi for the forum, mytrueancestry gave the brahmin dynasty of Sindh as the closest ancient match, wonder if they using the same or some of those samples as reference/s.

Probably only one to have Japan and Korea among SA results that could be related to Negrito/Jamoan ancestry as I had relatively high Papuan in Harappaworld.

Here is a list of reference regions used by the Living DNA

https://support.livingdna.com/hc/en-us/articles/360019480992-Which-regions-can-we-compare-your-ancestry-with-

I stand corrected :laugh:, Its interesting that we both get high Sindhi even though it's not our top population in the oracles. Seems like they are using more ancient populations either that or their algorithm is really bad.
On HarappaWorld you score NE-Asian 1.23, SE-Asian 1.23 maybe that could be why you are getting Japan/Korea.

MonkeyDLuffy
01-28-2020, 07:11 AM
Dad's:

Asia (South)
85.4%
Asia (Central)
7.3%
Europe
5.5%
Asia (East)
1.7%


Can't justify paying $59 for regional breakdown to be honest.

MonkeyDLuffy
02-04-2020, 01:36 AM
Mom's, unpaid version without breakdown:

Asia (South)
74.2%
Near East
10.5%
Europe
9.2%
Asia (Central)
6.1%

Sapporo
02-05-2020, 04:56 AM
Updated Living DNA results:

https://imgur.com/ZRHaW73

clocknative
02-05-2020, 07:27 PM
35606

These are my results from AncestryDNA transfer, I think I have the highest Sindhi on this forum on LDNA. I wonder why they don't have a Punjabi reference or maybe its included in the Indian subcontinent category?
Its interesting that I keep getting Kurdish for upload and swab test, this could be some Indo-Iranian related ancestry probably.

They updated my original swab results today, seems like they have modified the regions as well. Sindh now includes a lot of south Punjab and my Indian Subcontinent has gone down a lot.

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Lollybolly
02-05-2020, 08:32 PM
100% Asia South

clocknative
02-05-2020, 09:02 PM
100% Asia South

whose results are you talking about yours or mine ?

Lollybolly
02-05-2020, 09:27 PM
whose results are you talking about yours or mine ?

My results lol

Amber29
02-05-2020, 09:30 PM
36251


mine still the same.

laltota
02-05-2020, 11:43 PM
100% Asia South

What is the breakdown of your 100% Asia South?

Sapporo
02-06-2020, 03:11 AM
They updated my original swab results today, seems like they have modified the regions as well. Sindh now includes a lot of south Punjab and my Indian Subcontinent has gone down a lot.

36249
Seems like most of your ancestral breakdown just attached itself even further to Sindhi. It explains the low Indian subcontinent as Sindhi is a good enough proxy for the majority of your IVCp + BMAC + Steppe related ancestry.





mine still the same.

I got an email from Living DNA the other day that my data is available for an update. Went in and requested it and got the results back the same day.

Amber29
02-06-2020, 09:54 AM
Seems like most of your ancestral breakdown just attached itself even further to Sindhi. It explains the low Indian subcontinent as Sindhi is a good enough proxy for the majority of your IVCp + BMAC + Steppe related ancestry.



I got an email from Living DNA the other day that my data is available for an update. Went in and requested it and got the results back the same day.

Ill wait unless i deleted the email lol or unless its because of the uploads or unless you tested with them - i still want to test with them but its the company put me off lol with how slow they are and all its probably similar to the v5 version and will be similar to my upload lol just like my MH lol -might not even bother ha

Sapporo
02-06-2020, 09:57 AM
Ill wait unless i deleted the email lol or unless its because of the uploads or unless you tested with them - i still want to test with them but its the company put me off lol with how slow they are and all its probably similar to the v5 version and will be similar to my upload lol just like my MH lol -might not even bother ha

I tested with them. That's the reason you haven't received an email then. I'll check with aaron to see if if he received one as well.

laltota
02-06-2020, 09:27 PM
Some Jatts from Haryana/UP will show large European %s

What European percentage do some of them get?

clocknative
02-07-2020, 06:59 AM
Ancestry DNA updated results:

Southern and Eastern Indian 99%
East Asian 1%

Does not make sense at all, I think Ethnogene is the best

Living DNA updated results

Asia South 79.3%
Indian Sub-Continent 35.7%
Sindh 23.7%
Pashtun 16.9%
Burusho 2.9%

Asia (East) 20.7%
Southwest China 12%
Southeast Asia 8.7%

I think Living DNA and these other tests completely misread Bodo Kachari and Tai Ahom genetic markers as being Sindhi or Pathan and other South Asian ethnic groups

FTDNA Uploaded to Living DNA
68.9%

Indian subcontinent
52.8%
Pashtun
11.9%
Sindh
2.9%
Burusho
1.2%
Asia (East)

21.4%

North China
11.8%
South China
5%
Southeast Asia
2.2%
Southwest China
1.3%
Japan and Korea
1.2%
Near East

5.5%

Iran
3.8%
North Turkey
1.7%
Europe

4.1%

Northwestern Europe
1.9%
Germanic
1.2%
South Italy
1%

Asia (South)

67.4%

Indian subcontinent
52.3%
Pashtun
12.9%
Burusho
2.1%
Asia (East)

21.6%

North China
15%
Southeast Asia
2.6%
Southwest China
2%
South China
1.9%
Europe

8%

South Italy
4.8%
Orkney Islands
2%
Northwestern Europe
1.3%
Near East

3%

North Turkey
1.9%
South Turkey
1.1%

Indian Sub-Continent includes all of the NE Indian states maybe thats why you are scoring it so high.

Dr_McNinja
02-08-2020, 12:26 AM
What European percentage do some of them get?

More than 20

Dr_McNinja
02-09-2020, 10:17 PM
There's some weirdness in LivingDNA's raw data. My post from the MyHeritage thread:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14993-S-SC-ASIAN-Results-MyHeritageDNA&p=644829&viewfull=1#post644829

Adam A
02-15-2020, 09:58 PM
Worth upgrading to full? The South Asian should be slightly higher, at least 35%

https://i.imgur.com/LfV0mPC.jpg

Cloud Jr.
02-22-2020, 12:43 AM
36484Here are mine. Thoughts?

Lollybolly
02-22-2020, 12:57 PM
What is the breakdown of your 100% Asia South?

I didn't pay to see the complete breakdown

Adam A
04-07-2020, 05:14 PM
Upgraded and updated LivingDNA results. Everything looks to be quite accurate

https://i.imgur.com/ClQamXT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ei6Wq7b.jpg

Jatt1
04-07-2020, 08:53 PM
Upgraded and updated LivingDNA results. Everything looks to be quite accurate

https://i.imgur.com/ClQamXT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ei6Wq7b.jpg

You have quite a mix, what/who do you look like?

ThaYamamoto
04-07-2020, 11:40 PM
Upgraded and updated LivingDNA results. Everything looks to be quite accurate

https://i.imgur.com/ClQamXT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ei6Wq7b.jpg

Its weird that they give you South African Colored instead of a more accurate Eastern Bantu group...algorithm confusion

Adam A
04-08-2020, 03:49 PM
You have quite a mix, what/who do you look like?

Thank you, this is a pic from a few days ago

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I get guessed as a lot of different things, but imo I resemble my South Asian ancestry the most

Adam A
04-08-2020, 03:52 PM
Its weird that they give you South African Colored instead of a more accurate Eastern Bantu group...algorithm confusion

I find that quite odd too - Coloured also shouldn’t be a category seeing as they’re so highly mixed and the purpose of a Coloured taking this test is to learn of the individual components of their mix. My mix is similar to that of a Coloured South African (My dad was born in Mauritius) so perhaps that’s why they pegged the African as coloured

ThaYamamoto
04-08-2020, 08:11 PM
I find that quite odd too - Coloured also shouldn’t be a category seeing as they’re so highly mixed and the purpose of a Coloured taking this test is to learn of the individual components of their mix. My mix is similar to that of a Coloured South African (My dad was born in Mauritius) so perhaps that’s why they pegged the African as coloured

Yeah Colored as a component is ridiculous.

discreetmaverick
05-12-2020, 07:34 AM
Do you any get relatives?

ThaYamamoto
06-18-2020, 01:08 AM
Been bored as hell but still can't belee I paid for this shit...still has its uses lol...

tipirneni
06-18-2020, 04:10 PM
Been bored as hell but still can't belee I paid for this shit...still has its uses lol...

You sindhi ?

ThaYamamoto
06-19-2020, 03:22 PM
You sindhi ?

No sir, claim Balochi ancestry...I have some sorta generic Indian or South Indian ancestry from somewhere so I'm assuming its coming across as Sindhi.

Shujauddin
07-17-2020, 03:11 AM
My results (uploaded my 23andMe v5, AncestryDNA and MyHeritage kits; not sure which result corresponds to which kit):

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how come you have two Y DNAs?

ssamlal
07-17-2020, 08:36 PM
how come you have two Y DNAs?

YDNA Paternal (my test results):

H1a2b1b is based on ISOGG Y-DNA Haplogroup Tree
H-Y61050 is based on YFull YTree
H-SK1198 is based on FTDNA Y-DNA Haplotree


YDNA Maternal (maternal uncle test results):

L1a2 is based on Wegene
L-M357 is based on 23andMe

Hope this helps :)

kamil154
08-14-2020, 04:13 AM
Hello everyone!

Some of you might have gotten to know me by now as its been a while now that I've been commenting on threads here and there, trying to familiarize myself as to what I should expect from my results. I finally have my Living DNA results in now, and I must say they took me by complete surprise. The Autosomal results are inline with a South/Central Asian origin but the Y-dna and Mt-dna results are not what I was expecting, particularly my Mt-DNA haplogroup.

Before I go on further, I'll just briefly mention what I know about my regional/geographical background going back to my great-grandparents' generation (grandparents' parents), so that it is easier to interpret the results.


Paternal:

Grandfather = Father: Chohan Rajput (Pothwar, West Punjab) + Mother: Kashmiri Bakhshi (Jhelum, West Punjab)
Grandmother = Father: Padana Gujjar (Ambala, Haryana) + Mother: Gujjar (Basi Gujraan, East Punjab)


Maternal:

Grandfather | Father: Pashtun (Kaimganj/Farukkhabad, Uttar Pradesh) + Mother: Unknown Punjabi (Jalandhar, East Punjab)
Grandmother | Father: Qanungoh Shaikh (Attock, West Punjab) + Mother: Kashmiri Bakhshi (Jhelum, West Punjab)


Here are my Living DNA results:

Y-DNA: H-Z5882
Mt-DNA: A14

Recent Ancestry:
Pashtun - 43.4%
Sindhi - 20.2%
Indian Subcontinent - 17.5%
Balochistan - 6.5%
Burusho - 4.2%
South Caucasus - 8.2%

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GedMatch HarrapaWorld with Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 39.19
2 S-Indian 28.10
3 Caucasian 17.11
4 NE-Euro 8.92
5 American 1.96
6 NE-Asian 1.18
7 SW-Asian 1.10
8 SE-Asian 1.08

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 4.002278
2 kashmiri_harappa @ 4.589314
3 sindhi_harappa @ 5.200318
4 pathan_hgdp @ 6.621374
5 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 6.649627
6 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 6.789938
7 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 7.639049
8 punjabi_harappa @ 8.252578
9 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 8.347643
10 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 8.567721
11 kalash_hgdp @ 8.584087
12 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 9.137212
13 bhatia_harappa @ 9.200551
14 punjabi-arain_xing @ 9.612658
15 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 9.884650
16 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 9.996313
17 burusho_hgdp @ 10.411986
18 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 10.930834
19 sindhi_hgdp @ 11.038326
20 up-muslim_harappa @ 11.069424

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% gujarati-muslim_harappa +50% kalash_hgdp @ 3.073056


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% sindhi_hgdp +25% urkarah_xing +25% velama_metspalu @ 2.250939


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 kurmi_metspalu + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing + sindhi_hgdp @ 1.647167
2 kurmi_metspalu + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp + sindhi_hgdp @ 1.776521
3 kurmi_metspalu + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-arain_xing @ 1.913627
4 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kashmiri-pahari_harappa + lezgin_behar @ 1.931692
5 kurmi_metspalu + sindhi_hgdp + sindhi_hgdp + urkarah_xing @ 1.970636
6 kurmi_metspalu + punjabi-arain_xing + sindhi_hgdp + urkarah_xing @ 1.986789
7 bhatia_harappa + kerala-nair_harappa + lezgin_behar + meena_metspalu @ 2.013580
8 bhatia_harappa + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing + velama_metspalu @ 2.022461
9 bhatia_harappa + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 2.029669
10 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + kashmiri-pahari_harappa + lezgin_behar @ 2.032374
11 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + lezgin_behar + punjabi_harappa @ 2.040730
12 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + kashmiri-pahari_harappa + lezgin_behar @ 2.046619
13 ap-reddy_harappa + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.054289
14 gujarati-a_hapmap + kashmiri_harappa + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.058846
15 bhatia_harappa + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp + velama_metspalu @ 2.058902
16 gujarati-a_hapmap + kashmiri-pandit_reich + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.061926
17 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing @ 2.063832
18 lezgin_behar + meena_metspalu + meena_metspalu + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.085100
19 gujarati-a_1000genomes + kashmiri-pandit_reich + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.085197
20 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + lezgin_behar + singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 2.092772

Where is that A14 haplogroup coming from?? Is it an ANE-related lineage or an East Asian one? The GedMatch results are also not East Asian shifted in any notable way from what I can tell. This lineage is already rare among Northeast Asians and Haplogroup A has virtually no presence south of Tajikistan where is found among a mere 2.3%. Any insights/explanations?

Dr_McNinja
08-17-2020, 01:30 PM
Weird, I just had a LivingDNA result come back where they screwed up the haplogroups. The paternal was in the J-L283 branch of J-M241 rather than the J-Z2432/South Asian branch. Or rather than in just plain J-M241 since they don't test for J-Z2432 I thought.

I sent them an e-mail to see what was up.

Anyone else have them completely mess up haplogroups this way?

kamil154
08-17-2020, 05:48 PM
For me it says A4 for my Mtdna on the dashboard and description, but A14 under the Maternal Ancestry tab. I think A14 is downstream from A4 and so that might be my specific haplogroup, but I've emailed them and asked them to clarify nonetheless.

pegasus
08-18-2020, 04:03 AM
Hello everyone!

Some of you might have gotten to know me by now as its been a while now that I've been commenting on threads here and there, trying to familiarize myself as to what I should expect from my results. I finally have my Living DNA results in now, and I must say they took me by complete surprise. The Autosomal results are inline with a South/Central Asian origin but the Y-dna and Mt-dna results are not what I was expecting, particularly my Mt-DNA haplogroup.

Before I go on further, I'll just briefly mention what I know about my regional/geographical background going back to my great-grandparents' generation (grandparents' parents), so that it is easier to interpret the results.


Paternal:

Grandfather = Father: Chohan Rajput (Pothwar, West Punjab) + Mother: Kashmiri Bakhshi (Jhelum, West Punjab)
Grandmother = Father: Padana Gujjar (Ambala, Haryana) + Mother: Gujjar (Basi Gujraan, East Punjab)


Maternal:

Grandfather | Father: Pashtun (Kaimganj/Farukkhabad, Uttar Pradesh) + Mother: Unknown Punjabi (Jalandhar, East Punjab)
Grandmother | Father: Qanungoh Shaikh (Attock, West Punjab) + Mother: Kashmiri Bakhshi (Jhelum, West Punjab)


Here are my Living DNA results:

Y-DNA: H-Z5882
Mt-DNA: A14

Recent Ancestry:
Pashtun - 43.4%
Sindhi - 20.2%
Indian Subcontinent - 17.5%
Balochistan - 6.5%
Burusho - 4.2%
South Caucasus - 8.2%

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GedMatch HarrapaWorld with Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 39.19
2 S-Indian 28.10
3 Caucasian 17.11
4 NE-Euro 8.92
5 American 1.96
6 NE-Asian 1.18
7 SW-Asian 1.10
8 SE-Asian 1.08

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 4.002278
2 kashmiri_harappa @ 4.589314
3 sindhi_harappa @ 5.200318
4 pathan_hgdp @ 6.621374
5 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 6.649627
6 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 6.789938
7 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 7.639049
8 punjabi_harappa @ 8.252578
9 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 8.347643
10 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 8.567721
11 kalash_hgdp @ 8.584087
12 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 9.137212
13 bhatia_harappa @ 9.200551
14 punjabi-arain_xing @ 9.612658
15 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 9.884650
16 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 9.996313
17 burusho_hgdp @ 10.411986
18 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 10.930834
19 sindhi_hgdp @ 11.038326
20 up-muslim_harappa @ 11.069424

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% gujarati-muslim_harappa +50% kalash_hgdp @ 3.073056


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% sindhi_hgdp +25% urkarah_xing +25% velama_metspalu @ 2.250939


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 kurmi_metspalu + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing + sindhi_hgdp @ 1.647167
2 kurmi_metspalu + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp + sindhi_hgdp @ 1.776521
3 kurmi_metspalu + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing + punjabi-arain_xing @ 1.913627
4 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + kashmiri-pahari_harappa + lezgin_behar @ 1.931692
5 kurmi_metspalu + sindhi_hgdp + sindhi_hgdp + urkarah_xing @ 1.970636
6 kurmi_metspalu + punjabi-arain_xing + sindhi_hgdp + urkarah_xing @ 1.986789
7 bhatia_harappa + kerala-nair_harappa + lezgin_behar + meena_metspalu @ 2.013580
8 bhatia_harappa + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing + velama_metspalu @ 2.022461
9 bhatia_harappa + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp + tamil-vellalar_harappa @ 2.029669
10 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_1000genomes + kashmiri-pahari_harappa + lezgin_behar @ 2.032374
11 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + lezgin_behar + punjabi_harappa @ 2.040730
12 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-a_hapmap + kashmiri-pahari_harappa + lezgin_behar @ 2.046619
13 ap-reddy_harappa + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.054289
14 gujarati-a_hapmap + kashmiri_harappa + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.058846
15 bhatia_harappa + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp + velama_metspalu @ 2.058902
16 gujarati-a_hapmap + kashmiri-pandit_reich + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.061926
17 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + lezgin_behar + punjabi-arain_xing @ 2.063832
18 lezgin_behar + meena_metspalu + meena_metspalu + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.085100
19 gujarati-a_1000genomes + kashmiri-pandit_reich + lezgin_behar + sindhi_hgdp @ 2.085197
20 bhatia_harappa + gujarati-patel_harappa + lezgin_behar + singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 2.092772

Where is that A14 haplogroup coming from?? Is it an ANE-related lineage or an East Asian one? The GedMatch results are also not East Asian shifted in any notable way from what I can tell. This lineage is already rare among Northeast Asians and Haplogroup A has virtually no presence south of Tajikistan where is found among a mere 2.3%. Any insights/explanations?

Its East Asian afaik, but the vector for bringing it are very likely Steppe LBA groups-Nomadic Central Asians in the IAMC, A8 shows up in Okunevo and I am pretty sure your rare subclade would too with more sampling.

kamil154
08-18-2020, 04:47 PM
Its East Asian afaik, but the vector for bringing it are very likely Steppe LBA groups-Nomadic Central Asians in the IAMC, A8 shows up in Okunevo and I am pretty sure your rare subclade would too with more sampling.

It could well be, although subclades A13 and 14 do have a presence along the northern slopes of the Himalayas in Ladakh, Tibet, Xinjiang. My mothers maternal ancestry is from Kashmir so it could also be an ancestor who entered Kashmir via Ladakh a good number of generations ago.

pegasus
08-18-2020, 05:21 PM
It could well be, although subclades A13 and 14 do have a presence along the northern slopes of the Himalayas in Ladakh, Tibet, Xinjiang. My mothers maternal ancestry is from Kashmir so it could also be an ancestor who entered Kashmir via Ladakh a good number of generations ago.

That is another possibility but your overall results look very SPGT like , you should cluster where Agentlime would , those populations tend to have minor Okunevo admixture. Once you get your coordinates it would help resolve that better.

kamil154
08-18-2020, 07:35 PM
That is another possibility but your overall results look very SPGT like , you should cluster where Agentlime would , those populations tend to have minor Okunevo admixture. Once you get your coordinates it would help resolve that better.
Pardon my ignorance, what is SPGT?

Rahuls77
08-18-2020, 07:39 PM
Pardon my ignorance, what is SPGT?

Swat Protohistoric Grave Type

pegasus
08-19-2020, 01:33 AM
Pardon my ignorance, what is SPGT?

People who lived in the Swat valley 3-3.2 Kya basically

Dr_McNinja
09-11-2020, 03:49 PM
So my brother-in-law, the Gondal Jatt (family from Gujrat, PK Punjab), a.k.a. HRP0402, is G1b according to LivingDNA.

That's this:

https://yfull.com/tree/G-L830/

Looks like I'm gonna have to buy another one of these NGS Y tests. :tsk:

aaronbee2010
09-12-2020, 01:11 PM
So my brother-in-law, the Gondal Jatt (family from Gujrat, PK Punjab), a.k.a. HRP0402, is G1b according to LivingDNA.

That's this:

https://yfull.com/tree/G-L830/

Looks like I'm gonna have to buy another one of these NGS Y tests. :tsk:

Nebula WGS and Dante Labs (on offer) appear to be your cheapest avenues to YFull at the moment, although the former has handled the pandemic far better than the latter from what I've seen on a WGS-oriented Facebook page I follow. T. Krahn of YSEQ has said that they're planning on releasing a WGS service that aims to undercut Big Y-700 for price soon, so it's up to you if you're willing to wait a while before proceeding, which may be a good idea given the COVID-19 situation.

Dr_McNinja
09-14-2020, 07:35 PM
Nebula WGS and Dante Labs (on offer) appear to be your cheapest avenues to YFull at the moment, although the former has handled the pandemic far better than the latter from what I've seen on a WGS-oriented Facebook page I follow. T. Krahn of YSEQ has said that they're planning on releasing a WGS service that aims to undercut Big Y-700 for price soon, so it's up to you if you're willing to wait a while before proceeding, which may be a good idea given the COVID-19 situation.

Yeah I'm gonna wait until Black Friday probably. It's in-laws so I want the cheapest test possible lol

Dr_McNinja
09-25-2020, 01:53 PM
LivingDNA ran my nephew's data twice, I compared the two raw data files in DNA Kit Studio:

dhw
09-26-2020, 04:17 PM
I am new here, can anyone tell me if these results are consistent with being KashmiriPandit/Himachali

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 47.2
2 West_Asian 28.49
3 East_Asian 7.88
4 Baltic 5.2
5 Siberian 3.7
6 North_Atlantic 2.84
7 Amerindian 2.61
8 Red_Sea 1.4
9 East_Med 0.34
10 Oceanian 0.33
11 West_Med 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahmin_UP 12.57
2 Punjabi_Jat 12.7
3 Gujarati 12.84
4 Burusho 12.97
5 Bangladeshi 13.3
6 Sindhi 13.42
7 Kshatriya 13.58
8 Pathan 14.4
9 Dharkar 19.6
10 Kalash 19.87
11 Kanjar 20.85
12 Velamas 23.13
13 Uttar_Pradesh 23.17
14 Kurumba 23.83
15 Afghan_Pashtun 24.42
16 Kol 24.87
17 Dusadh 25.06
18 Chenchu 25.94
19 North_Kannadi 26.18
20 Afghan_Tadjik 28.18



HARAPPA
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 34.59
2 Baloch 32.01
3 NE-Asian 9.2
4 NE-Euro 8.82
5 Caucasian 8.02
6 American 1.76
7 Siberian 1.53
8 Beringian 1.37
9 SW-Asian 1.06
10 Papuan 0.66
11 Mediterranean 0.45
12 San 0.34
13 SE-Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 up-muslim (harappa) 8.14
2 nepalese-a (xing) 8.54
3 punjabi (harappa) 10.39
4 kashmiri (harappa) 10.43
5 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 10.52
6 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 10.91
7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 11.07
8 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.08
9 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 11.22
10 up-brahmin (harappa) 11.31
11 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 11.33
12 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 11.44
13 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 11.55
14 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 11.99
15 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 12.28
16 vaish (reich) 13.2
17 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 13.24
18 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 13.36
19 burusho (hgdp) 13.72
20 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 13.9

agent_lime
09-26-2020, 07:20 PM
These don't look like Kashmiri Pandit scores, nor do they look like pahari Rajput scores. They look like Garwali Brahmin scores.

poi
09-26-2020, 10:22 PM
I am new here, can anyone tell me if these results are consistent with being KashmiriPandit/Himachali

HARAPPA
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 34.59
2 Baloch 32.01
3 NE-Asian 9.2
4 NE-Euro 8.82
5 Caucasian 8.02
6 American 1.76
7 Siberian 1.53
8 Beringian 1.37
9 SW-Asian 1.06
10 Papuan 0.66
11 Mediterranean 0.45
12 San 0.34
13 SE-Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 up-muslim (harappa) 8.14
2 nepalese-a (xing) 8.54
3 punjabi (harappa) 10.39
4 kashmiri (harappa) 10.43
5 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 10.52
6 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 10.91
7 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 11.07
8 bihari-muslim (harappa) 11.08
9 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 11.22
10 up-brahmin (harappa) 11.31
11 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 11.33
12 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 11.44
13 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 11.55
14 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 11.99
15 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 12.28
16 vaish (reich) 13.2
17 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 13.24
18 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 13.36
19 burusho (hgdp) 13.72
20 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 13.9

Welcome to the forum. What's your ethnicity? Like Agent said, your Harappa scores resemble one of the Uttarkhand Brahmin results post here, for example this Kumaoni Brahmin, but academic Uttaranchal Brahmins apparently are much more EastAsian shifted:


S-Indian: 33.45%
Baloch: 32.52%
Caucasian: 9.94%
NE-Euro: 9.13%
SE-Asian: 1.75%
Siberian: 1.22%
NE-Asian: 5.32%
Papuan: 0.5%
American: 1.41%
Beringian: 1.72%
Mediterranean: 2.01%
SW-Asian: 0.5%
San: 0%
E-African: 0%
Pygmy: 0%
W-African: 0%

dhw
09-27-2020, 02:30 AM
Mother's side Kashmiri Pandit, Father's side Himachali Thakur

poi
09-27-2020, 02:54 AM
Mother's side Kashmiri Pandit, Father's side Himachali Thakur

Interesting. Do you have your parents tested?

dhw
09-27-2020, 03:01 AM
No, but I know that my mother's side is fully Kashmiri going back 4+ generations, and my father's side lives in Himachal Pradesh and the story is that they were Rajputs from Rajasthan who fled after the Mughal invasions. My 23andme results said 35% Bengali. Is it because Himachal data is pretty low?

kamil154
09-27-2020, 03:05 AM
No, but I know that my mother's side is fully Kashmiri going back 4+ generations, and my father's side lives in Himachal Pradesh and the story is that they were Rajputs from Rajasthan who fled after the Mughal invasions. My 23andme results said 35% Bengali. Is it because Himachal data is pretty low?

Did you test with LivingDNA? What are your haplo's?

dhw
09-27-2020, 03:13 AM
I tested with 23andme.

maternal haplogroup is H14.

paternal haplogroup is J-M410.

And I am pretty neaderthalish as well :boxing:

tipirneni
09-27-2020, 03:20 AM
I tested with 23andme.

maternal haplogroup is H14.

paternal haplogroup is J-M410.

And I am pretty neaderthalish as well :boxing:

what are your closest populations on 23andme. ?

dhw
09-27-2020, 03:25 AM
About 44% Jammu and kashmir and 35% bengali which is not right to me and also 5% central asian

kamil154
09-27-2020, 03:43 AM
Consider getting your coordinates from Daviski of Eurogenes using your autosomal raw data file. It costs $12 but modelling your coordinates through G25 will really help pinpoint the exact vector for your East Asian affinity.

dhw
09-27-2020, 04:01 AM
Yeah, it looks like a pretty useful tool. Nepalese influence seems plausible but Bengal does not seem right. 23andme suggests grandparent or great-grandparents but I am positive that there is no link to Bengal.

kamil154
09-27-2020, 04:08 AM
I tested with 23andme.

maternal haplogroup is H14.

paternal haplogroup is J-M410.

And I am pretty neaderthalish as well :boxing:

Your mt Haplo is pretty unique, definitely not Indigenous to South Asia. Your particular clade seems to have more of a near-eastern spread than European.

According to Eupedia:

"Some H subclades are rare in Europe and geographically confined mostly to the Middle East. This includes H14 and H18."

"H14: found mostly in the Near East and Caucasus
H14a: found mostly in the Levant, Kurdistan, Iran, but also in Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, the Czech Republic, Scotland and Ireland / found in Sumerian Syria and in Hellenistic Lebanon
H14b: found in Iran, Turkey, Germany and France"

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml

dhw
09-27-2020, 04:16 AM
How does the mtDNA fit within the Kashmiri (pandits) population?

kamil154
09-27-2020, 04:38 AM
How does the mtDNA fit within the Kashmiri (pandits) population?

I'm not sure. Most Kashmiri's I have seen are from various clades of M,U and sometimes R, but every now and then you'll see some with really unique haplo's.

My mothers maternal ancestors are Kashmiri Brahmin (Bakhshi's) and I belong to a somewhat uncommon East Asian/Paleo-Amerindian related maternal Haplogroup. At first everyone was attributing it to WSHG like admixture brought via a MLBA steppe progenitor but G25 confirmed that the vector from bringing it into Kashmir was likely Sino-Tibetan. The haplogroup is prevalent in Xinjiang and Tibet, but also in very high concentrations among populations such as Brokpa in Ladakh and sometimes in Himachal, so there must have been a female ancestor who moved into Kashmir Valley from one of these neighboring regions at some point.

As far as I can tell based solely on that Eupedia source, your Haplo's spread seems to have some correlation with EEF/Anatolian Farmer type ancestry. Try looking for your exact clade on Y-full and see where the other matches are from, including some of those closely upstream and downstream of your clade.

dhw
09-27-2020, 05:00 AM
23andMe mentioned 0.7% anatolian from 1700s...

I uploaded to Jameslick mtdna and got this

Defining Markers for haplogroup H14:
HVR2: 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 7645C 8860G 10217G 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H14 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 7645C 10217G ⇨ H14 ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 12372A 14482T 16086C

kamil154
09-27-2020, 05:12 AM
23andMe mentioned 0.7% anatolian from 1700s...

I uploaded to Jameslick mtdna and got this

Defining Markers for haplogroup H14:
HVR2: 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 4769G 7645C 8860G 10217G 15326G
HVR1:

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup H14 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 7645C 10217G ⇨ H14 ⇨ 65D 191D 299I 459D 2074I 2156D 2405D 3307D 4317I 5537D 5752D 7471D 8281D 8286D 12372A 14482T 16086C

A lot of calculators such as Harrapa are not particularly good at detecting EEF/Anatolian type ancestry. My Harappa results show just 0.63% Mediterranean, but the G25 models tell a different story.

Here's how one of the users on AG modeled me for instance:

Target: Kamil_scaled (courtesy: Kirtan24)
Distance: 2.0884% / 0.02088424
42.4 Ganj_Dareh_N
22.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.8 NW_AASI_Sim_Avg
11.0 Barcin_N
3.6 Clovis
3.0 Han
0.8 WHG
0.2 Iberomaurusian
0.2 S_AASI_Sim_Avg

That 11% Barcin component is basically an EEF proxy pop. This is why I suggested getting your coordinates sorted is the way to go, particularly in your case since there is some discrepancy between what you know about your ancestry and what the calculators and haplo's are suggesting.

dhw
09-27-2020, 05:25 AM
Seems like a good Idea to map it. I am not well read in the history of haplogroups and I don't know if this is a dumb question but do you have any guess as to how H14 could have appeared in Kashmir or at least is there any historical event(s) that might give answers?

MonkeyDLuffy
09-27-2020, 05:35 AM
No, but I know that my mother's side is fully Kashmiri going back 4+ generations, and my father's side lives in Himachal Pradesh and the story is that they were Rajputs from Rajasthan who fled after the Mughal invasions. My 23andme results said 35% Bengali. Is it because Himachal data is pretty low?

That'd the most common story amongst rajputs in that belt all the way to Garhwal haha. Is your father Negi Thakur by any chance? Which area of Himachal your dad is from. This much east asian is expected in Himachali Rajputs imo if they aren't from nearby Punjab area.

dhw
09-27-2020, 05:39 AM
Hahaha yeah, that's the go-to story. No, they are in Mandi district. What about my paternal haplogroup, anything interesting there, or is it expected

kamil154
09-27-2020, 05:43 AM
Seems like a good Idea to map it. I am not well read in the history of haplogroups and I don't know if this is a dumb question but do you have any guess as to how H14 could have appeared in Kashmir or at least is there any historical event(s) that might give answers?

It's really hard to say. mt-dna doesn't mutate at nearly the same rate as y-dna and usually have much older TMRCA's so mapping out it's spread as a tool to trace back to migration events is not a particularly useful. Generally, low concentrations of almost any given haplogroup could show up in seemingly distant populations, and this is especially true for South Asia.

If the EEF/Anatolian farmer like affinity of the H14 clade is indeed true, it could be attributable to a rare Kura-Araxes like signal that was brought by your ancestral Steppe progenitors. Bronze Age Steppe pops such as Yamnaya were formed EHG came in contact with CHG/Zagrosian Iranian Farmer ancestry on the Northern slopes of the Caucasus. However, there is some evidence that earlier Eneolithic Steppe populations immediately north of the Caucusus had some EEF/Anatolian Farmer admixture as well, such as Kura-Araxes and later in Maykop. It might be that some of this signal was absorbed into certain Bronze Age Steppe population's that later founded Andronovo.

Again, G25 would give you a bit more of a footing, because at this point what I'm saying is based in conjecture.

dhw
09-27-2020, 05:54 AM
Hey I'll take it, thanks for all the information it's really interesting to learn about genetics and the history behind it all.

T90
09-27-2020, 05:56 AM
I tested with 23andme.

maternal haplogroup is H14.

paternal haplogroup is J-M410.

And I am pretty neaderthalish as well :boxing:

About your father y haplogroup.........

"J2a-M410 in India peaks at NW region and shows a clinal pattern towards Central and East, however, again rises considerably in South."

In my opinion someone in your dad side of family might have mixed with some east Asian related group in the past and that might explain high east Asian.

MonkeyDLuffy
09-27-2020, 05:58 AM
Hahaha yeah, that's the go-to story. No, they are in Mandi district. What about my paternal haplogroup, anything interesting there, or is it expected

Ah so nearby Shimla area. Yea then the East Asian is expected, and should increase the more east or south you go from there. I have plenty of friends from there and seems like intermarrying with kinnauri rajputs here and there isnt uncommon. Your Paternal Haplogroup is basically J2, which is IVC in broad sense, so as desi it can be.

dhw
09-27-2020, 06:07 AM
Yeah that seems very possible, however, 23andme reported 35% Bengali and northeast Indian. Is that a proxy for kinnauri/nepali region or is the lack of data from Himachal skewing the results.

MonkeyDLuffy
09-27-2020, 06:09 AM
Yeah that seems very possible, however, 23andme reported 35% Bengali and northeast Indian. Is that a proxy for kinnauri/nepali region or is the lack of data from Himachal skewing the results.

Yes, Bengali is a proxy for east asian in desis. I have a match who is half punjabi half Garhwali bromin, he gets very high Bengali, which is most likely masking his east asian ancestry, not actual Bengali ancestry. 23andme database is very limited still. Is your family from Chandigarh or Delhi by any chance?

dhw
09-27-2020, 06:20 AM
No, but I have relatives in both cities

Sapporo
09-27-2020, 06:23 AM
Yeah that seems very possible, however, 23andme reported 35% Bengali and northeast Indian. Is that a proxy for kinnauri/nepali region or is the lack of data from Himachal skewing the results.

As MDL noted, you don't have any actual Bengali ancestry but 23andMe doesn't have enough South Asian reference pops to cover your NE Asian (possibly Sino-Tibetan related ancestry) from Himachal/Uttarakhand or even Jammu & Kashmir so it probably picks it up through Bangladeshi ancestry.

MonkeyDLuffy
09-27-2020, 06:26 AM
No, but I have relatives in both cities

Ah I see. Because the combination of Kashmiri Pundit + Himachali Rajput sounds a lot like something that'd be from Chandigarh. Between embrace your east asian heritage, order extra plate of dumplings and binge play K-pop on youtube.

On serious note, please do get your dad tested, because we lack Himachali samples, and would love to see how they model on G25. They seem like a transitional community between Dogras to Garhwalis for most part.

T90
09-27-2020, 06:34 AM
Yeah that seems very possible, however, 23andme reported 35% Bengali and northeast Indian. Is that a proxy for kinnauri/nepali region or is the lack of data from Himachal skewing the results.

Is it possible to see the screenshot of your 23andme results?

poi
09-27-2020, 07:19 AM
23andme has pretty good Nepali breakdown, so if you are matching Nepali, it should show by the zone.

Here is mine btw where my “Bengali” is Nepali and shows the zone.

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Edit - I’ve just realized this is not 23andme thread.

dhw
09-27-2020, 01:27 PM
39873

poi
09-27-2020, 06:23 PM
39873

What happens when you click on it? It should show you precise breakdown rather than the vague ďnortheastĒ.

dhw
09-27-2020, 06:31 PM
India (northeastern regions)
Highly Likely Match

Match Confidence level for Bangladesh: Not Detected
Bangladesh
Not Detected

Match Confidence level for Nepal: Not Detected
Nepal
Not Detected

poi
09-27-2020, 06:34 PM
India (northeastern regions)
Highly Likely Match

Match Confidence level for Bangladesh: Not Detected
Bangladesh
Not Detected

Match Confidence level for Nepal: Not Detected
Nepal
Not Detected

I am surprised your Himachal ancestry skipped over Nepal completely and went to the Northeastern India.

dhw
09-27-2020, 06:39 PM
Yeah, I don't get it.

poi
09-27-2020, 07:55 PM
Yeah, I don't get it.

Prior to the latest major update, “Nepal” very likely used to mean Bahun as most of my family used to get that close to 100%, but the last major update took that down to 15-25% only. So, it looks like the samples have started including TB groups , but probably not as enriched in TB ancestry as the Indian Northeast.

In your case, does your paternal side have more direct TB ancestry? How much EastAsian do you show in that category?

dhw
09-27-2020, 08:09 PM
There is no breakdown for TB ancestry. Gedmatch results are around 8-11% EA.

Dr_McNinja
09-28-2020, 01:23 PM
A lot of calculators such as Harrapa are not particularly good at detecting EEF/Anatolian type ancestry. My Harappa results show just 0.63% Mediterranean, but the G25 models tell a different story.

Here's how one of the users on AG modeled me for instance:

Target: Kamil_scaled (courtesy: Kirtan24)
Distance: 2.0884% / 0.02088424
42.4 Ganj_Dareh_N
22.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.8 NW_AASI_Sim_Avg
11.0 Barcin_N
3.6 Clovis
3.0 Han
0.8 WHG
0.2 Iberomaurusian
0.2 S_AASI_Sim_Avg

That 11% Barcin component is basically an EEF proxy pop. This is why I suggested getting your coordinates sorted is the way to go, particularly in your case since there is some discrepancy between what you know about your ancestry and what the calculators and haplo's are suggesting.
But you don't have any actual Yamnaya ancestry and Yamnaya+Barcin = MLBA Eastern European Steppe, i.e, Sintashta

kamil154
09-28-2020, 02:32 PM
But you don't have any actual Yamnaya ancestry and Yamnaya+Barcin = MLBA Eastern European Steppe, i.e, Sintashta

So is the vector for Barcin like ancestry in Steppe MLBA is from Corded Ware rather than Kura-Araxes?

Kirtan24
09-28-2020, 03:46 PM
So is the vector for Barcin like ancestry in Steppe MLBA is from Corded Ware rather than Kura-Araxes?

Yep. CW people had upto 20-30% of EEF, as I tried to show in one of the posts earlier when I modeled you.

subzero85
09-28-2020, 05:03 PM
I tested with 23andme.

maternal haplogroup is H14.

paternal haplogroup is J-M410.

And I am pretty neaderthalish as well :boxing:

One of my distant relatives is H14, but he's a Hyderabad Muslim

dhw
09-29-2020, 04:53 AM
A new breakdown I got using Harrapaworld extended calculator


Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1.5 07/02/2020

Finished reading population data. 505 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Mixed Mode:
1 64.45% Punjabi_Jatt + 35.55% nepalese-c @ 1.972
2 64.45% Punjabi_Jatt + 35.55% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 2.080
3 61.33% Punjabi_Ramgarhia + 38.67% nepalese-c @ 2.100
4 60.55% Punjabi_Brahmin + 39.45% nepalese-c @ 2.128
5 60.55% Punjabi_Jatt_Balham + 39.45% nepalese-c @ 2.152
6 90.23% Punjabi_Jatt + 9.77% aonaga @ 2.227
7 90.23% Punjabi_Jatt + 9.77% naga @ 2.268
8 90.23% Punjabi_Jatt + 9.77% nysha @ 2.283
9 91.80% Punjabi_Jatt + 8.20% japanese1 @ 2.337
10 91.80% Punjabi_Jatt + 8.20% japanese2 @ 2.338

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% nepali @ 7.492
2 100% Nepalese_Brahmin @ 8.306
3 100% Kashmiri_Butt @ 8.492
4 100% up-muslim @ 8.694
5 100% Himachal_Pradesh_Brahmin @ 9.155
6 100% nepalese-a @ 9.227
7 100% Kashmiri_Pandit @ 9.659
8 100% Rajput_Minhas @ 9.697
9 100% Punjabi_Jatt @ 9.721
10 100% Jammu_Kashmir_Brahmin @ 9.725

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Punjabi_Jatt_Balham + 50% nepalese-c @ 3.649
2 50% Punjabi_Brahmin + 50% nepalese-c @ 3.652
3 50% Punjabi_Jatt_Bhatti + 50% nepalese-c @ 3.771
4 50% Punjabi_Ramgarhia + 50% nepalese-c @ 3.772
5 50% punjabi-brahmin + 50% nepalese-c @ 3.791
6 50% Punjabi_Jatt_Balham + 50% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 4.068
7 50% Punjabi_Jatt_Pansota + 50% nepalese-c @ 4.068
8 50% Punjabi_Jatt_Shergill + 50% nepalese-c @ 4.125
9 50% Punjabi_Jatt_Bhatti + 50% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 4.223
10 50% Punjabi_Jatt + 50% nepalese-c @ 4.226

Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Punjabi_Jatt + 33% Jammu_Kashmir_Brahmin + 33% nepalese-c @ 1.610
2 33% bengali-brahmin + 33% kashmiri + 33% nepalese-c @ 1.751
3 33% Punjabi_Jatt + 33% Jammu_Kashmir_Brahmin + 33% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 1.798
4 33% Himachal_Pradesh_Brahmin + 33% nepalese-a + 33% nepalese-c @ 1.952
5 33% Rajput_Minhas + 33% Punjabi_Jatt + 33% nepalese-c @ 1.956
6 33% bengali-brahmin + 33% kashmiri + 33% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 1.972
7 33% Punjabi_Jatt + 33% Punjabi_Jatt + 33% nepalese-c @ 2.084
8 33% kerala + 33% Jatt + 33% nepalese-c @ 2.088
9 33% Nepalese_Brahmin + 33% Kashmiri_Butt + 33% nepalese-c @ 2.114
10 33% Punjabi_Jatt_Sandhu + 33% maharashtrian + 33% nepalese-c @ 2.125

Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Nepalese_Brahmin + 25% Nepalese_Brahmin + 25% Kashmiri_Butt + 25% nepalese-c @ 2.390
2 25% Nepalese_Brahmin + 25% Nepalese_Brahmin + 25% Kashmiri_Butt + 25% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 2.392
3 25% Himachal_Pradesh_Brahmin + 25% Himachal_Pradesh_Brahmin + 25% nepalese-a + 25% nepalese-c @ 2.411
4 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% nepalese-c + 25% tajik @ 2.554
5 25% Himachal_Pradesh_Brahmin + 25% Himachal_Pradesh_Brahmin + 25% nepalese-a + 25% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 2.682
6 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% nepalese-c + 25% Pamiri_Wakhi @ 2.775
7 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% nepalese-c + 25% Tajik_Ishkashim_Average @ 2.816
8 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% nepalese-c + 25% pamiri-wakhi @ 2.904
9 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% nepalese-c + 25% pamiri-shughnan @ 2.914
10 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% Tamil_Brahmin + 25% nepalese-c + 25% pamiri-ishkashim @ 2.941

dhw
01-24-2021, 06:17 PM
Finally got my dad tested

MtDNA: M4b1
Y-DNA: J-m410



Mixed Mode:
1 77.73% up-kshatriya + 22.27% tu @ 3.167
2 78.52% up-kshatriya + 21.48% japanese3 @ 3.191
3 79.30% vaish + 20.70% japanese3 @ 3.378
4 76.95% meghawal2 + 23.05% tu @ 3.425
5 76.95% gujarati + 23.05% xibo @ 3.455
6 76.95% gujarati + 23.05% tu @ 3.501
7 69.92% nepalese-c + 30.08% oriya @ 3.519
8 77.73% meghawal2 + 22.27% japanese3 @ 3.537
9 78.52% gujarati + 21.48% japanese3 @ 3.543
10 78.52% up-kshatriya + 21.48% tibet @ 3.560

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% nepalese-c @ 9.803
2 100% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 10.026
3 100% nepali @ 16.244
4 100% bengali1 @ 17.156
5 100% nepalese-a @ 17.172
6 100% bengali-brahmin @ 17.374
7 100% Nepalese_Brahmin @ 17.414
8 100% bihari-muslim @ 17.860
9 100% up-muslim @ 18.002
10 100% Kashmiri_Butt @ 18.205

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bengali-brahmin @ 5.423
2 50% nepalese-c + 50% bengali-brahmin @ 5.533
3 50% nepalese-c + 50% bihari-muslim @ 6.068
4 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bihari-muslim @ 6.097
5 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bengali1 @ 6.123
6 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bihari-brahmin @ 6.274
7 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% Bihari_Brahmin @ 6.279
8 50% nepalese-c + 50% bihari-brahmin @ 6.313
9 50% nepalese-c + 50% Bihari_Brahmin @ 6.317
10 50% nepalese-c + 50% bengali1 @ 6.326

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tipirneni
01-24-2021, 06:46 PM
Finally got my dad tested

MtDNA: M4b1
Y-DNA: J-m410



Mixed Mode:
1 77.73% up-kshatriya + 22.27% tu @ 3.167
2 78.52% up-kshatriya + 21.48% japanese3 @ 3.191
3 79.30% vaish + 20.70% japanese3 @ 3.378
4 76.95% meghawal2 + 23.05% tu @ 3.425
5 76.95% gujarati + 23.05% xibo @ 3.455
6 76.95% gujarati + 23.05% tu @ 3.501
7 69.92% nepalese-c + 30.08% oriya @ 3.519
8 77.73% meghawal2 + 22.27% japanese3 @ 3.537
9 78.52% gujarati + 21.48% japanese3 @ 3.543
10 78.52% up-kshatriya + 21.48% tibet @ 3.560

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% nepalese-c @ 9.803
2 100% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 10.026
3 100% nepali @ 16.244
4 100% bengali1 @ 17.156
5 100% nepalese-a @ 17.172
6 100% bengali-brahmin @ 17.374
7 100% Nepalese_Brahmin @ 17.414
8 100% bihari-muslim @ 17.860
9 100% up-muslim @ 18.002
10 100% Kashmiri_Butt @ 18.205

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bengali-brahmin @ 5.423
2 50% nepalese-c + 50% bengali-brahmin @ 5.533
3 50% nepalese-c + 50% bihari-muslim @ 6.068
4 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bihari-muslim @ 6.097
5 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bengali1 @ 6.123
6 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bihari-brahmin @ 6.274
7 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% Bihari_Brahmin @ 6.279
8 50% nepalese-c + 50% bihari-brahmin @ 6.313
9 50% nepalese-c + 50% Bihari_Brahmin @ 6.317
10 50% nepalese-c + 50% bengali1 @ 6.326

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Is your dad, kshatriya or brahmin? what is gotra?

dhw
01-24-2021, 07:15 PM
I only know that he is kshatriya.

Azbuzz
02-11-2021, 10:56 PM
LivingDNA has me at 9.3 percent European, 24.9 percent South Asian and 65.8 percent Near East. Pretty accurate except for the weirdly high amount of European.

Sapporo
02-12-2021, 03:57 AM
LivingDNA has me at 9.3 percent European, 24.9 percent South Asian and 65.8 percent Near East. Pretty accurate except for the weirdly high amount of European.

It's not that out of the ordinary. Plenty of South or Central Asians get higher. Some West Asians get similar amounts too. It's likely either shared "ANF" related ancestry or MLBA Steppe related for Indo-European speakers.

My own results:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13941-Sapporo-s-Living-DNA-Results

MonkeyDLuffy
02-12-2021, 04:27 AM
LivingDNA has me at 9.3 percent European, 24.9 percent South Asian and 65.8 percent Near East. Pretty accurate except for the weirdly high amount of European.

Can you post screenshot?

Azbuzz
02-12-2021, 04:38 AM
It's not that out of the ordinary. Plenty of South or Central Asians get higher. Some West Asians get similar amounts too. It's likely either shared "ANF" related ancestry or MLBA Steppe related for Indo-European speakers.

My own results:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?13941-Sapporo-s-Living-DNA-Results

Sorry man. Wasn't familiar with what 'European' meant on Living DNA.

Azbuzz
02-12-2021, 04:41 AM
Can you post screenshot?

http://imgur.com/a/y0pFqle

kaazi
02-18-2021, 02:21 PM
Finally got my dad tested

MtDNA: M4b1
Y-DNA: J-m410



Mixed Mode:
1 77.73% up-kshatriya + 22.27% tu @ 3.167
2 78.52% up-kshatriya + 21.48% japanese3 @ 3.191
3 79.30% vaish + 20.70% japanese3 @ 3.378
4 76.95% meghawal2 + 23.05% tu @ 3.425
5 76.95% gujarati + 23.05% xibo @ 3.455
6 76.95% gujarati + 23.05% tu @ 3.501
7 69.92% nepalese-c + 30.08% oriya @ 3.519
8 77.73% meghawal2 + 22.27% japanese3 @ 3.537
9 78.52% gujarati + 21.48% japanese3 @ 3.543
10 78.52% up-kshatriya + 21.48% tibet @ 3.560

Least-squares method.

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% nepalese-c @ 9.803
2 100% brahmin-uttaranchal @ 10.026
3 100% nepali @ 16.244
4 100% bengali1 @ 17.156
5 100% nepalese-a @ 17.172
6 100% bengali-brahmin @ 17.374
7 100% Nepalese_Brahmin @ 17.414
8 100% bihari-muslim @ 17.860
9 100% up-muslim @ 18.002
10 100% Kashmiri_Butt @ 18.205

Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bengali-brahmin @ 5.423
2 50% nepalese-c + 50% bengali-brahmin @ 5.533
3 50% nepalese-c + 50% bihari-muslim @ 6.068
4 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bihari-muslim @ 6.097
5 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bengali1 @ 6.123
6 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% bihari-brahmin @ 6.274
7 50% brahmin-uttaranchal + 50% Bihari_Brahmin @ 6.279
8 50% nepalese-c + 50% bihari-brahmin @ 6.313
9 50% nepalese-c + 50% Bihari_Brahmin @ 6.317
10 50% nepalese-c + 50% bengali1 @ 6.326

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Interesting. Pahari Rajputs are rarely posted.

Can you post the harappaworld scores of your father? His scores may look like Garhwali Rajputs or Nepali Kshatriya (Chhetris)?

MonkeyDLuffy
02-18-2021, 09:53 PM
Interesting. Pahari Rajputs are rarely posted.

Can you post the harappaworld scores of your father? His scores may look like Garhwali Rajputs or Nepali Kshatriya (Chhetris)?

The Himachali rajputs I posted in past score identical. I'd imagine Garhwali rajputs to be more east Asian. The Garhwali rajputs share surnames with Kinnauri Rajputs, and look identical for most part.

kaazi
02-19-2021, 03:24 AM
The Himachali rajputs I posted in past score identical. I'd imagine Garhwali rajputs to be more east Asian. The Garhwali rajputs share surnames with Kinnauri Rajputs, and look identical for most part.

iirc, Himachali Rajputs posted by you had consistent 10% East Asian.

But he posted this 22% East Asian (Tu). 77.73% up-kshatriya + 22.27% tu @ 3.167

The Bisht Garhwali Rajput (with a 1800 cM shared Nepali Tamang type relative) probably had her paternal side scoring sth like 35% East Asian while a Singh Garhwali Rajput had only 10% East Asian. I'm confused with their variation.

MonkeyDLuffy
02-19-2021, 03:31 AM
iirc, Himachali Rajputs posted by you had consistent 10% East Asian.

But he posted this 22% East Asian (Tu). 77.73% up-kshatriya + 22.27% tu @ 3.167

The Bisht Garhwali Rajput (with a 1800 cM shared Nepali Tamang type relative) probably had her paternal side scoring sth like 35% East Asian while a Singh Garhwali Rajput had only 10% East Asian. I'm confused with their variation.

One of the Tarkhan match on 23&me is half Bisht. His mom is Garhwali rajput, and he had around 15% East asian on 23&me before update. I'm curious to see his results on Harappa, but it's safe to assume his mom would be 30-35% east asian on Harappa.

After update this is how his results look like:

43396

I used to have a kit of Kumaoni Rajput with surname Almiya, not anymore:

Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.13
2 Baloch 25.39
3 NE-Asian 20.37
4 Caucasian 5.8
5 Siberian 4.66
6 NE-Euro 3.68
7 American 1.47
8 Papuan 1.34
9 SE-Asian 1.03
10 Mediterranean 0.5
11 Beringian 0.26
12 SW-Asian 0.22
13 Pygmy 0.15

kaazi
02-19-2021, 03:57 AM
One of the Tarkhan match on 23&me is half Bisht. His mom is Garhwali rajput, and he had around 15% East asian on 23&me before update. I'm curious to see his results on Harappa, but it's safe to assume his mom would be 30-35% east asian on Harappa.

After update this is how his results look like:

43396

I used to have a kit of Kumaoni Rajput with surname Almiya, not anymore:

Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.13
2 Baloch 25.39
3 NE-Asian 20.37
4 Caucasian 5.8
5 Siberian 4.66
6 NE-Euro 3.68
7 American 1.47
8 Papuan 1.34
9 SE-Asian 1.03
10 Mediterranean 0.5
11 Beringian 0.26
12 SW-Asian 0.22
13 Pygmy 0.15

Woah. This Kumaoni sample is also like the Shimla Thakur type with Caucasian more than NE-Euro, but more Southern.

Target: Kumaoni_Rajput_Almiya
Distance: 3.1740% / 3.17402657 | R2P
75.3 Himachal_Rajput
24.7 Nepali_Gurung

Target: Kumaoni_Rajput_Almiya
Distance: 1.3303% / 1.33033014 | R3P
56.9 Sourastrian
26.1 Tibetan
17.0 Kalash

Target: Kumaoni_Rajput_Almiya
Distance: 0.9881% / 0.98808905 | R4P
40.0 Himachal_Rajput
33.0 Sourastrian
20.3 Tibetan
6.7 Hazara

Target: Kumaoni_Rajput_Almiya
Distance: 1.0458% / 1.04579742 | R4P
42.2 Meghawal1
27.5 Himachal_Rajput
22.6 Tibetan
7.7 Turkmen_North_Afghanistan


Rawat Garhwali or Kumaoni Rajput?

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 34.22
2 Baloch 25.1
3 NE-Asian 21.39
4 NE-Euro 6.15
5 Caucasian 4.13
6 Siberian 4.04
7 SE-Asian 2.01
8 Beringian 1.07
9 SW-Asian 0.9
10 American 0.73
11 Papuan 0.26

Target: Rawat_Uttarakhand_Rajput
Distance: 2.9054% / 2.90536912 | R2P
66.4 East_Uttar_Pradesh_Brahmin
33.6 Nepali_Gurung

Target: Rawat_Uttarakhand_Rajput
Distance: 1.1978% / 1.19778482 | R3P
53.9 Nepali_Khas_Kshatriya
28.5 Rajasthani
17.6 Nepali_Gurung

Target: Rawat_Uttarakhand_Rajput
Distance: 1.1862% / 1.18621404 | R3P
71.9 Nepali_Khas_Kshatriya
16.8 Naidu
11.3 Tu

Target: Rawat_Uttarakhand_Rajput
Distance: 0.9511% / 0.95109251 | R4P
33.7 Brahmin_Uttaranchal
26.0 Srivastava
25.3 Nepali_Kirant_Rai
15.0 Kerala_Brahmin

Interesting variation in Uttarakhand.

MonkeyDLuffy
02-19-2021, 04:51 AM
Woah. This Kumaoni sample is also like the Shimla Thakur type with Caucasian more than NE-Euro, but more Southern.

Target: Kumaoni_Rajput_Almiya
Distance: 3.1740% / 3.17402657 | R2P
75.3 Himachal_Rajput
24.7 Nepali_Gurung

Target: Kumaoni_Rajput_Almiya
Distance: 1.3303% / 1.33033014 | R3P
56.9 Sourastrian
26.1 Tibetan
17.0 Kalash

Target: Kumaoni_Rajput_Almiya
Distance: 0.9881% / 0.98808905 | R4P
40.0 Himachal_Rajput
33.0 Sourastrian
20.3 Tibetan
6.7 Hazara

Target: Kumaoni_Rajput_Almiya
Distance: 1.0458% / 1.04579742 | R4P
42.2 Meghawal1
27.5 Himachal_Rajput
22.6 Tibetan
7.7 Turkmen_North_Afghanistan


Rawat Garhwali or Kumaoni Rajput?

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 34.22
2 Baloch 25.1
3 NE-Asian 21.39
4 NE-Euro 6.15
5 Caucasian 4.13
6 Siberian 4.04
7 SE-Asian 2.01
8 Beringian 1.07
9 SW-Asian 0.9
10 American 0.73
11 Papuan 0.26

Target: Rawat_Uttarakhand_Rajput
Distance: 2.9054% / 2.90536912 | R2P
66.4 East_Uttar_Pradesh_Brahmin
33.6 Nepali_Gurung

Target: Rawat_Uttarakhand_Rajput
Distance: 1.1978% / 1.19778482 | R3P
53.9 Nepali_Khas_Kshatriya
28.5 Rajasthani
17.6 Nepali_Gurung

Target: Rawat_Uttarakhand_Rajput
Distance: 1.1862% / 1.18621404 | R3P
71.9 Nepali_Khas_Kshatriya
16.8 Naidu
11.3 Tu

Target: Rawat_Uttarakhand_Rajput
Distance: 0.9511% / 0.95109251 | R4P
33.7 Brahmin_Uttaranchal
26.0 Srivastava
25.3 Nepali_Kirant_Rai
15.0 Kerala_Brahmin

Interesting variation in Uttarakhand.

Rawat is Garhwali Rajput. Every Rawat I know was Garhwali. Yea the variation is interesting. I always thought Garhwali Rajputs are extension of Kinnauri rajputs, because of shared surnames like Negi and Bisht.

kaazi
02-19-2021, 06:47 AM
Rawat is Garhwali Rajput. Every Rawat I know was Garhwali. Yea the variation is interesting. I always thought Garhwali Rajputs are extension of Kinnauri rajputs, because of shared surnames like Negi and Bisht.

And I thought they're related to Himachalis becoz Idk about Kinnauris.

Negi is a Tibetan/Kinnauri name while Bisht is a Khas name. Mongoloids like Tamangs in Nepal have Negi surname while Bisht (Nepali Bista) is of Chhetris and some Bahuns. Bista is also a blanket term to denote Bahuns and Chhetris.

dhw
02-26-2021, 02:54 AM
Interesting. Pahari Rajputs are rarely posted.

Can you post the harappaworld scores of your father? His scores may look like Garhwali Rajputs or Nepali Kshatriya (Chhetris)?

Harappaworld:
# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.28
2 Baloch 28.50
3 NE-Asian 16.10
4 NE-Euro 6.18
5 Siberian 3.32
6 American 2.42
7 Caucasian 2.27
8 SE-Asian 1.77
9 Papuan 1.41
10 Beringian 1.12
11 SW-Asian 1.04

Kapisa
03-03-2021, 04:12 PM
Harappaworld:
# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.28
2 Baloch 28.50
3 NE-Asian 16.10
4 NE-Euro 6.18
5 Siberian 3.32
6 American 2.42
7 Caucasian 2.27
8 SE-Asian 1.77
9 Papuan 1.41
10 Beringian 1.12
11 SW-Asian 1.04

can u please post your father's Harrappa world oracles?

dhw
03-04-2021, 07:06 AM
Are these scores consistent with Himachal Rajputs or is there an East Asian spike from a recent ancestor perhaps?


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 nepalese-c_xing @ 9.845770
2 brahmin-uttaranchal_metspalu @ 10.061261
3 nepali_harappa @ 16.231300
4 bengali_harappa @ 17.096457
5 nepalese-a_xing @ 17.160812
6 bengali-brahmin_harappa @ 17.333593
7 bihari-muslim_harappa @ 17.814915
8 up-muslim_harappa @ 17.969532
9 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 18.406708
10 up-brahmin_harappa @ 20.116880
11 vaish_reich @ 20.124924
12 brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu @ 20.181454
13 karnataka-brahmin_harappa @ 20.250799
14 kerala_harappa @ 20.290993
15 maharashtrian_harappa @ 20.470455
16 kerala-brahmin_harappa @ 20.499605
17 punjabi_harappa @ 20.640364
18 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 20.697948
19 up-kshatriya_metspalu @ 20.820503
20 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 20.939129

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% bengali-brahmin_harappa +50% brahmin-uttaranchal_metspalu @ 5.390528


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% meghawal_reich +25% oriya_harappa +25% tu_hgdp @ 3.406588