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J Man
10-25-2013, 12:03 AM
It does not seem that this fascinating study that was released by Ruth Bollongino on October. 10, 2013 has received much attention which is unfortunate because it gives important clues as to how people were living in Central Europe 2000 years after farming had already been established there. It shows that even 2000 years after farming had been present in Central Europe some people were still living as hunter-gatherers essentially and that the mtDNA of the hunter-gatherer-fishers and farmers who both used the same cave as a burial site was very different. The hunter-gatherer-fisher samples were only comprised of mtDNA haplogroup U5 types while the farmer samples were much more diverse including some U5 types that probably came from admixture with local hunter-gatherers. It appears then that at least in this part of Europe hunter-gatherers continued to exist for a long time after Neolithic farmers arrived and apparently they kept to themselves at least genetically even though they used the same burial sites. They lived side by side essentially but seem to have occupied different ecological niches. Here are the mtDNA results of the samples from this study and their respective methods of obtaining food that was shown by isotope analysis. Links below to the paper in Science and also Jean Manco's excellent ancient DNA page.

Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5b2b
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5b
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5b2b2
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5b
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher: U5b2a2

Farmer: U5b2a2
Farmer: H5
Farmer: H5
Farmer: H11a
Farmer: U5b2a5
Farmer: H1c3
Farmer: H5
Farmer: J

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6157/479.abstract

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/ancientdna.shtml

Baltimore1937
10-25-2013, 03:17 AM
And I don't even like fish; too many bones. My line probably married into wealthy farmer society, though (heh heh).B)

J Man
10-25-2013, 05:02 AM
And I don't even like fish; too many bones. My line probably married into wealthy farmer society, though (heh heh).B)

Mine must of too at some point. :)

ilmari
10-28-2013, 06:21 AM
Mussels don't have bones...

Baltimore1937
10-28-2013, 08:34 AM
Mussels don't have bones...

There was Atlantic salmon in northern rivers, including the Rhine. Nets and fish traps were undoubtedly used. They probably had their seasonal rounds, much like Native Americans of the Pacific Northwest & Columbia basin, where they foraged for roots, berries, and other edibles in off seasons for salmon, etc.