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Adam A
08-26-2018, 01:27 PM
Hi!

So, my grandfather on my mothers side was a Muslim South Asian born in New Delhi. Like many Muslim South Asians he had a family story of being descended from Iranians, which turned out to be only partially true. Per 23andMe, I am 2.8% West Asian and North African. My mum's sister, who tested at MyHeritage, came back with 6.5% Middle Eastern, so I know that while it's only a small %, it's there at least. My question is, how would this have gotten into the bloodline? All I know besides the story of Iranian ancestry is that my grandfather's lineage stems from New Delhi for quite a while back, I have not a clue as to how an Iranian would've gotten to New Delhi. My ancestry timeline says that my most recent Western Asian ancestor was probably born between 1790 and 1880
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Thanks in advance!

agent_lime
08-28-2018, 04:33 PM
Post your Harappa results. Also what is your other ancestry?


Edit: 23 and me thought I had a East European ancestor from the 1800. It is highly unlikely that is the case. In your case we'll have to see your oracles. Still it is much more likely.

bol_nat
08-28-2018, 04:53 PM
results of Pakistani from Karachi. According to him his ancestors were of Irani origin in Delhi Mughal court. I think his results show that.
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 35.86
2 Baloch 32.06
3 Caucasian 16.16
4 NE-Euro 7.21
5 SE-Asian 2.69
6 SW-Asian 2.17
7 Siberian 2.13
8 American 1.36
9 Mediterranean 0.3
10 San 0.05
11 NE-Asian 0.02

Adam A
08-28-2018, 08:48 PM
Post your Harappa results. Also what is your other ancestry?


Edit: 23 and me thought I had a East European ancestor from the 1800. It is highly unlikely that is the case. In your case we'll have to see your oracles. Still it is much more likely.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 17.68
2 S-Indian 15.78
3 NE-Euro 15.62
4 Mediterranean 10.57
5 NE-Asian 10.01
6 Caucasian 8.90
7 SE-Asian 7.78
8 W-African 7.75
9 SW-Asian 2.56
10 American 1.09
11 Pygmy 1.04


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 romanian-b_behar @ 24.602678
2 tajik_yunusbayev @ 25.586885
3 pashtun_harappa @ 26.737812
4 singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 26.920908
5 nepali_harappa @ 27.159981
6 uzbek_behar @ 27.370270
7 haryana-jatt_harappa @ 27.937759
8 nepalese-c_xing @ 29.289953
9 turkmen_yunusbayev @ 29.315575
10 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 29.647013
11 burusho_hgdp @ 29.690201
12 kashmiri_harappa @ 30.349220
13 uyghur_hgdp @ 30.349615
14 up-muslim_harappa @ 30.509890
15 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 30.766783
16 brahmin-uttaranchal_metspalu @ 30.769707
17 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 30.821085
18 hazara_hgdp @ 31.330967
19 pathan_hgdp @ 31.432493
20 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 31.468313

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% nepalese-c_xing +50% puerto-rican_bryc @ 13.263970


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% brahmin-uttaranchal_metspalu +25% dominican_bryc +25% serbian_harappa @ 9.040502


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + meena_metspalu + serbian_harappa @ 5.102674
2 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + kalash_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 5.305186
3 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + gujarati-b_hapmap + serbian_harappa @ 5.444294
4 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + kerala-brahmin_harappa + serbian_harappa @ 5.461916
5 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + gujarati-a_hapmap + serbian_harappa @ 5.467190
6 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + gujarati-a_1000genomes + serbian_harappa @ 5.520850
7 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + goan_harappa + serbian_harappa @ 5.546735
8 balochi_hgdp + burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 5.556936
9 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + kerala-nair_harappa + serbian_harappa @ 5.571315
10 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + pathan_hgdp + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 5.580365
11 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + meena_metspalu + romanian-a_behar @ 5.617163
12 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + gujarati_harappa + serbian_harappa @ 5.692825
13 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + gujarati-patel_harappa + serbian_harappa @ 5.710122
14 balochi_hgdp + dominican_bryc + garo_chaubey + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 5.722008
15 brahmin-tamil-nadu_metspalu + burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + serbian_harappa @ 5.750344
16 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + serbian_harappa + tn-brahmin_xing @ 5.753420
17 dominican_bryc + garo_chaubey + meena_metspalu + serbian_harappa @ 5.759932
18 dominican_bryc + khasi_chaubey + serbian_harappa + sindhi_hgdp @ 5.777825
19 bhatia_harappa + burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + singapore-indian-d_sgvp @ 5.809525
20 burmanese_chaubey + dominican_bryc + iyer-brahmin_harappa + serbian_harappa @ 5.809650

My known ancestry is 1/4 Indian (the said grandparent) 1/4 Spanish 1/4 Mauritian (Indian) 1/8 Madagascan (Chinese) and 1/8 Madagascan (Ethnic Malagasy - Mostly just African with some Indonesian)

agent_lime
08-28-2018, 09:04 PM
Unless someone wants to chime in you do have slightly elevated SW Asian. That however could also be coming from the Spanish. You are so mixed I have no idea what to think.

Now to answer your actual question. There were defiantly some Muslims with Persian ancestry, some with ME ancestry. However, the rule of thumb is that a large number of Muslims Indians and Pakistanis have made up stories/ lied or just lost any trace due to it being so long ago. They could be traders, or in the royal courts of various kings (most likely the Mughals).

bol_nat
08-29-2018, 06:13 PM
Looking at your results and background, its quite possible that Indian grandparent had like 13-14% caucasian on harappa. Which only someone with Irani decent in Delhi will have.