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Sizzles
09-06-2018, 10:58 AM
I am questioning my Italian results. My grandfather is Sicilian. His parents his brothers and sisters all from sicily. Yet, DNA Land and Gedmatch show most of my Italian as northern and central. Why is that?

DNA land

42% South Central euro
Includes Italian Bergamo, Tuscan and Toscani and 1 other site. Does not include Albanian, basque French Sicilian.

1.2% mediterranean islander includes sicily, malta, Cypriot ?

Ancestry has 36% South euro sicily
23 and me say 20% italian and 13.1% Broadly Southern euro

And other tests that show similar

Jessie
09-06-2018, 11:13 AM
I am questioning my Italian results. My grandfather is Sicilian. His parents his brothers and sisters all from sicily. Yet, DNA Land and Gedmatch show most of my Italian as northern and central. Why is that?

DNA land

42% South Central euro
Includes Italian Bergamo, Tuscan and Toscani and 1 other site. Does not include Albanian, basque French Sicilian.

1.2% mediterranean islander includes sicily, malta, Cypriot ?

Ancestry has 36% South euro sicily
23 and me say 20% italian and 13.1% Broadly Southern euro

And other tests that show similar

It is because you are a mix so on Gedmatch it would plot you in between your South Italian and your more Northern ancestry. If you were plotted in a genetic map you would be in between these populations so you likely come out as Northern Italian because of this.

Ajeje Brazorf
09-06-2018, 11:17 AM
Hi! I think it's your Northern European origins that have moved the Sicilian part more to the north, and therefore it has become northern Italian.

Sizzles
09-06-2018, 05:59 PM
Thanks. I get the shift with gedmatch, just wasn't expecting it from dnaland.

JoeyP37
09-06-2018, 07:11 PM
I know, I have a Sicilian great-grandfather and until the update for 23andMe I had 0% Italian! Now I have 2%. The original had his DNA contribution as Balkan and Broadly Southern European. Sicily appears to be unique genetically from peninsular Italy, more Greek and Near Eastern.

digital_noise
09-06-2018, 07:40 PM
I am questioning my Italian results. My grandfather is Sicilian. His parents his brothers and sisters all from sicily. Yet, DNA Land and Gedmatch show most of my Italian as northern and central. Why is that?

DNA land

42% South Central euro
Includes Italian Bergamo, Tuscan and Toscani and 1 other site. Does not include Albanian, basque French Sicilian.

1.2% mediterranean islander includes sicily, malta, Cypriot ?

Ancestry has 36% South euro sicily
23 and me say 20% italian and 13.1% Broadly Southern euro

And other tests that show similar

do you only have one sicilian grandparent or two? Because 36% (Ancestry) seems a bit high for having a single full blooded GP.

Sizzles
09-06-2018, 09:04 PM
One and yes 36 % ancestry, 42% dna land, 23 and me 20% and 13% Broadly souther, my heritage 31% gencove 30%. All seem high. What's your theory? I suspect some northern Italian from dad. He is 25% southern euro. 70% east euro. North Italian shows up on gedmatch for him too.

Sizzles
09-06-2018, 09:41 PM
Dads kit decode v3


Kit A158402

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 34.83
2 Mediterranean 26.56
3 East_European 21.73
4 West_Asian 14.23
5 Northwest_African 1.77
6 Southwest_Asian 0.66
7 Northeast_Asian 0.14
8 Southeast_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian (Xing) 6.85
2 Hungarians (Behar) 7.18
3 Balkans (Dodecad) 11.59
4 Romanians_14 (Behar) 13.2
5 German (Dodecad) 18.42
6 Tuscan (Xing) 19.98
7 Tuscan (Henn) 20.43
8 CEU (HapMap) 20.55
9 TSI (HapMap) 20.65
10 N._European (Xing) 21.16
11 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 21.68
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.24
13 Orcadian (HGDP) 22.42
14 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 22.76
15 French (Dodecad) 24
16 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 24.14
17 French (HGDP) 24.18
18 O_Italian (Dodecad) 24.34
19 Polish (Dodecad) 24.35
20 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 25.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.2% Slovenian (Xing) + 17.8% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3
2 71.6% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 28.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.11
3 67.8% Slovenian (Xing) + 32.2% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 3.14
4 71% Balkans (Dodecad) + 29% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 3.18
5 89% Hungarians (Behar) + 11% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 3.19
6 88.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.2% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 3.31
7 90.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.5% Georgians (Behar) @ 3.44
8 58.7% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 41.3% German (Dodecad) @ 3.57
9 76.4% Balkans (Dodecad) + 23.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.59
10 85.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.59
11 66% Balkans (Dodecad) + 34% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 3.63
12 65.5% Balkans (Dodecad) + 34.5% N._European (Xing) @ 3.66
13 87% Hungarians (Behar) + 13% Turks (Behar) @ 3.68
14 88.3% Slovenian (Xing) + 11.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.7
15 73.3% Romanians_14 (Behar) + 26.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.7
16 90% Slovenian (Xing) + 10% Armenians_16 (Behar) @ 3.73
17 75% Balkans (Dodecad) + 25% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.75
18 75.4% Balkans (Dodecad) + 24.6% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 3.76
19 86.8% Slovenian (Xing) + 13.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.76
20 85.7% Slovenian (Xing) + 14.3% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.77

digital_noise
09-06-2018, 10:36 PM
Honestly Im not sure. I think we spoke on this before but arent you Croatian as well? Maybe that is confusing things also??

I am also 25% Italian on paper, yet both 23 and Me and Ancestry only have me at 13% Italian with other components like west asian/Caucasus making up the rest to 25%. Im just curious as to why the difference. My Aunt, who is on paper half Italian is only 33% at Ancestry but 14% Caucasus, etc... I suspect we might just be less Italic and more "other"

Sizzles
09-06-2018, 10:54 PM
My mom's ancestry kit in progress. My ancestry kit also shows 4% caucasus, 2% middle east. I did phase my father's kit with mine on gedmatch, so I have phased kit for mom.

Yes croatian too and northwest euro

kingjohn
09-09-2018, 09:59 AM
dont pay to much attention to it ;)
both my parents score no south/central europe
yet they score 20-30% balkan ......
so how can i score 29% south/central euro ?
answere:there is overlap betwen dna land clusters

AmandaDegenhardt
09-09-2018, 12:26 PM
I also have a greatgrandfather from Italy (north) and I have 0% Italian on 23and me, 13% Mediterranean islander (13% ashkenaze levantine cluster) and my Italian heritage just showed up on Eurogenes k36 about 14%, very very confusing😓

JerryS.
09-09-2018, 12:39 PM
its in there, as the old saying use to go.

different regions of Italy had different influences from outside. if you are regionally mixed like me and many others here, mostly from the N.W. European.... your south Italian can and usually will show up as South-Italian/Sicilian and or Greek. Central Italian can show up as that or even Tuscan. North Italian can show the various northern categories of Bergamo, Piedmont... even Spain. as mentioned before, the more you mix Northern European with Southern Italian, the more Northern Italian your results will look because they are being pulled/drifted... towards the majority cluster region. this is why your ~25% Southern Italian can show as low as ~15% Southern Italian or as high as ~35% Northern Italian.

Nino90
12-18-2018, 09:46 PM
Did you guys do Poi's K36 and G25 Calcs? If so. Please post some results.

digital_noise
12-18-2018, 09:51 PM
Well, check my sig for both. Theoretically I'm not NE English, but SW English but that eats up everything else when used, making it 70% English, 30% Italian. I know my paper trail so the k36 is about as close to reality as I can probably get...

Nino90
12-27-2018, 11:07 PM
Just uploaded my brothers to DNA.land.

Northwest European 47%
Finnish 21%
North Slavic 1.4%
Balkan 20%
Southwestern European 6.5%
Tubalar 3%


And I score around 25% Balkan myself. Why does everybody score that?

digital_noise
12-28-2018, 12:29 AM
Not sure honestly. DNA.Land gives me different results depending on the Raw data source. 23 and Me raw data is the only one that gives Balkan, which is Albanian, Bulgarian or 2 specific Greek populations. All 3 are a possibly for me if you go back far enough...


23 & Me V5
47% NW Euro
14% Sardinian
14% Ashkenazi/Levantine (8.7% Ashkenazi, 5.2% Med. Islander)
13% Balkan
9% North Slavic
1.9% Kalash

AncestryDNA
33% NW Euro
24% NE Euro (17% North Slavic, 6.9% Finnish)
17% Med. Islander
15% South Euro
9.3% Sardinain
1.4% SW Euro
1.2% Indo-Iranian

My Heritage
29% NW Euro
36% South Euro
21% NE Euro (18% North Slavic, 3.1% Finnish)
8% Med. Islander
4.3% Sardinian
1.4% SW Euro

digital_noise
12-28-2018, 03:54 AM
And to complicate things further, FTDNA data at DNA.Land:

44% NW Euro
25% Ashkenazi/Levantine (23% Med. Islander, 1.8% Ashkenazi)
17% NE Euro (16% N. Slavic, 1% Finnish)
11% Sardinian
1.5% Indo_Iranian
1.1% South Euro