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Mikewww
10-31-2013, 08:30 PM
I counted the major subgroupings/subclades for confirmed L21 and listed what countries they have been found in (alphabetically).

DF49xM222 - 77 - England, France, Ireland, Scotland, Wales

M222 - 1081 - England, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Scotland, Sweden, Wales

L513/DF1 - 291 - England, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands, Scotland, Sweden, Wales

DF21 - 276 - England, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Scotland, Wales

L1335 - 140 - England, Ireland, Norway, Scotland, Wales

Z253 - 356 - Denmark, England, France, Germany, Ireland, Latvia, Norway, Scotland, Spain, Switzerland

Z255 - 198 - England, France, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Scotland, Wales

Z251 - 33 - Belarus, England, Ireland, Russia, Scotland, Ukraine

DF41 - 95 - England, France, Ireland, Scotland, Sweden, Wales

CTS4466 - 53 - Denmark, England, Ireland, Norway, Scotland, Wales

L371 - 24 - England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales

L144.2?/CTS1751 - 50 - England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales

DF13* - 16 - England, France, Germany, Ireland, Wales

DF63 - 58 - England, France, Germany, Ireland, Scotland, Spain

L21* - 12 - England, France

ilmari
11-01-2013, 03:45 AM
W.A.M.H. Finnish 1700 A.D. DF13+

What's next?

130937

Autosomally showing as:

87.9% Finnish
7.2% Nonspecific Northern European
1.7% Eastern European
3.2% Nonspecific European

Mikewww
11-02-2013, 03:45 PM
W.A.M.H. Finnish 1700 A.D. DF13+

What's next?

130937

Autosomally showing as:

87.9% Finnish
7.2% Nonspecific Northern European
1.7% Eastern European
3.2% Nonspecific European

I'm probably not showing you anything you already don't know. The only realistic match at 67 that I can find who has done additional SNP testing is the below yours.

f130937 Brandstrom(Teuva) DF13+ 3c1g z1528 Finland, Southern Ostrobothnia, Suupohja, Teuva
f153101 Mattsson(Koskinen) DF13+ DF41- L96- L144- z1528 Finland, Southern Ostrobothnia, Seinšjoki, Lapua

I'm not sure why he picked DF41 but other than doing some broad discovery test, like full Y sequencing, you really have to look at the Big 9 below DF13. The one mostly likely found in NE Europe is Z251.

ilmari
11-03-2013, 05:54 AM
I'm probably not showing you anything you already don't know. The only realistic match at 67 that I can find who has done additional SNP testing is the below yours.

f130937 Brandstrom(Teuva) DF13+ 3c1g z1528 Finland, Southern Ostrobothnia, Suupohja, Teuva
f153101 Mattsson(Koskinen) DF13+ DF41- L96- L144- z1528 Finland, Southern Ostrobothnia, Seinšjoki, Lapua

I'm not sure why he picked DF41 but other than doing some broad discovery test, like full Y sequencing, you really have to look at the Big 9 below DF13. The one mostly likely found in NE Europe is Z251.

Thank you. So if I understand you, Z251 should be the next choice to order then?

seferhabahir
11-03-2013, 06:10 AM
Thank you. So if I understand you, Z251 should be the next choice to order then?

Mike will have to answer for himself, but I think it's been suggested in various places that if you don't really match closely with someone who has tested positive for an SNP under DF13, then Z251 might be a good choice because almost any haplotype might end up testing positive for it. The GDs for people who have shown up as Z251+ are quite large and the geographic range is also pretty broad.

Mikewww
11-03-2013, 06:12 AM
Thank you. So if I understand you, Z251 should be the next choice to order then?

That's my recommendation if you are testing one SNP at a time. I recommend going to 111 Y STRs too, and that is a no lose situation.

If you are interested in more expensive options there are the low-moderate packages like Geno 2 / Chromo 2 and I would think Geno 2 will have to be updated soon. More expensively and comprehensively you have Full Genomes Corp but I think there will be more competition at that level too.

One at a time, I'd vote for Z251 next.

kaybee
11-09-2013, 11:34 AM
So the 2 SNPs ordered on my brother, kit N8024, came back DF21+ and DF41-. We have ordered a Geno2 kit; should I just wait for that?

Does DF21 tell me anything?

jdean
11-09-2013, 01:44 PM
David Raynolds is the man for this one.

However there are quite a few SNPs under DF21 that are included on Geno2

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r-df21/default.aspx

http://daver.info/geno/results/R-DF21.pdf

There are also a bunch of S SNPs on Chromo2 related to DF21 but it'd be best to wait on the Geno2 results before going down that road.

http://www.britainsdna.com/products/complete

kaybee
11-09-2013, 02:56 PM
I did sign up for the DF21 project.