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Rathna
11-01-2013, 09:27 AM
Amongst the subclades of R-Z2103/Z2105+ we have spoken a little of the R-L216+. Even though the "Morley's tree" is misleading because put this subclade under the R-M269/L150/PF7558/PF7562/PF7563, as if they were suclades of L150+ (the equivocation I denounced many times: this latter isn't a subclades of Z2103/Z2105, for which it is negative, but of R-M269*, in fact it isn't by chance that it is negative for L23 and L49).
The "ht 35 FTDNA project" invites this Armenian to test Z2103/Z2105, for which it should be positive, otherwise we'd have found the first R-L23*. By its hapotype:

149197 R1b1a2a1 R-L150 L150+, L216+, L23+, L49+, M269+, L21-, M222-, P310-, P311-, P312-, U106-, U152-
11 24 14 10 12-16 12 12 12 12 13 28 15 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 28 15-15-16-19 12 11 19-23 15 15 17 17 35-37 13 12 12 9 15-16 8 11 10 8 11 11 12 23-24 15 10 12 12 14 8 13 23 20 14 12 11 13 11 11 12 12

it seems in fact a R-Z2103/Z2105+ but since so long separated from the other subclades, and also from the Western European true R-Z2103/Z2105* if they will be confirmed.
It is sufficient the sequence from DYS590 to DYS511 to mark its differentiation:
8 11 10 8 11 11 as to 8 10 10 8 10 11.

Clinton P
11-01-2013, 11:37 AM
Using Thomas Krahn's information, 2 people have been found to be derived out of 2,597 tested for L216.

Click here (http://ybrowse.isogg.org/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrowse_details/chrY?ref=ChrY;start=6753316;end=6753316;name=L216; class=Sequence;feature_id=3393;db_id=chrY%3Adataba se) to see this.

Although, I presume now that TK no longer has access to current FamilyTreeDNA data, and therefore these numbers may now be different.

Clinton P

smal
11-01-2013, 09:05 PM
The 149197 haplotype is clustered with the

184387
215158 Tavitian
255343
255352
184027 Gorgis L584+ haplotypes.


It is sufficient the sequence from DYS590 to DYS511 to mark its differentiation:
8 11 10 8 11 11 as to 8 10 10 8 10 11.

The sequence from DYS590 to DYS511 of 255343, 255352 and 184027 is 8 10 10 8 11 11

It's possible that L216 is part of the L584 subclade.