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ViktorL1
11-01-2013, 10:44 PM
I just did 23andme, and loaded my result to DODECAD.
Here are my results:

Harrapa:

5.88% S-Indian
19.69% Baloch
16.94% Caucasian
16.26% NE-Euro
0.02% SE-Asian
12.04% Siberian
21.22% NE-Asian
0.00% Papuan
1.61% American
2.63% Beringian
2.64% Mediterranean
0.80% SW-Asian
0.27% San
0.00% E-African
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% W-African

Here is my DODECAD k=12b:

19.90% Gedrosia
13.27% Siberian
0.05% Northwest_African
0.47% Southeast_Asian
3.06% Atlantic_Med
18.35% North_European
5.67% South_Asian
0.23% East_African
1.10% Southwest_Asian
23.06% East_Asian
14.84% Caucasus
0.00% Sub_Saharan

And this is my DODECAD v3:

10.07% East_European
12.59% West_European
7.83% Mediterranean
0.08% Neo_African
19.69% West_Asian
11.25% South_Asian
17.80% Northeast_Asian
18.66% Southeast_Asian
0.00% East_African
1.89% Southwest_Asian
0.02% Northwest_African
0.12% Palaeo_African

ViktorL1
11-01-2013, 11:03 PM
I will post 23andme once the ancestry comes online.

Thanks,

Viktor

Dr_McNinja
11-01-2013, 11:42 PM
What's your ethnicity?

ViktorL1
11-01-2013, 11:46 PM
I am 100% of my ethnicity. No other ancestries. Try to guess. Or you can PM me. :D

ViktorL1
11-01-2013, 11:47 PM
Tajik. Thanks! :D
I was mildly surprised by my results, the Mongoloid components seem higher than I thought they would be.. but then again, I do have more Turkic features than Iranian ones. And my family is from near Khujand.

Sein
11-02-2013, 12:09 AM
Hi ViktorL1,

Welcome to Anthrogenica! You should really join Harappa Ancestry Project. Zack is in need of Tajik participants.
http://www.harappadna.org/participation/
http://www.harappadna.org/

Dr_McNinja
11-02-2013, 12:11 AM
We don't use the word "Mongoloid" anymore, but yeah your East Asian was really high compared to the Tajik average at Harappa.

Have you submitted your results to the Harappa Project?

http://www.harappadna.org/participation/

Dr_McNinja
11-02-2013, 12:12 AM
By the way, can you also run Eurogenes K36, K12b, and the new EUTest V2 K15 results and post them here as well? They're all available at GEDmatch.

ViktorL1
11-02-2013, 12:12 AM
Yes, I will. I will send him an email. I just got my data last night, but I was too tired to look it over.
I am wondering, are the Yunusbayev Tajiks from Afghanistan or Tajikistan? They have less than 1/2 the Mongoloid component that I do.

I'm doing Eurogenes now and will post the results below.

Oh, Mongoloid is not valid? It is now "East Eurasian"?

Sein
11-02-2013, 12:23 AM
The Yunusbayev Tajiks are all from Tajikistan. Based on a few hints we're seeing, it seems Afghan Tajiks might be much more South Asian shifted than Tajikistani Tajiks, and just as East Eurasian.

Sein
11-02-2013, 12:46 AM
This PCA plot somewhat illustrates this:

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All of the Afghan Tajiks are significantly South Asian shifted in comparison to the Tajikistani Tajiks. In fact, one is actually slightly more South Asian than the Afghan Pashtuns, which is pretty surprising. Also, at HAP, there is now a participant who is about 75% Afghan Pashtun, and 25% Afghan Tajik. Despite this, his "South Indian" is very close to the average Pakistani HGDP Pashtuns. I think that this is a good argument for saying that Afghan Tajiks are more South Asian than their Tajikistani brethren.

ViktorL1
11-02-2013, 12:52 AM
More info, will post Eurogenes once it computes! :)

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Paternal Line: C5*
Maternal Line: U1a3

My first thought is what is C5? It seems like a Burmese/Tibetan haplogroup-- a little far from Soghdian province.

Sein
11-02-2013, 12:59 AM
Really interesting results! Your spot on the PCA plots match two Uzbeks I'm sharing with. One is from Afghanistan, the other is from Uzbekistan.

VictorL1, would you be interested in sharing genomes? I could pm you my profile name.

ViktorL1
11-02-2013, 01:24 AM
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This is the Eurogenes data. I will add the rest here.

I assume I have a little Turkic mixture. It could by Kygryz not Uzbek, because my family was from closer to the Kyrgyz border than Uzbekistan. Although my family's nationality was/is listed as "
таджик" on all Soviet and Russian documents. From what I recall, Stalin decided the borders arbitrarily, and the communists "made" some Tajiks into Uzbeks and vice-versa (in both Tajik and Uzbek SSR). Dushanbe Tajiks look much different to me.

ViktorL1
11-02-2013, 03:28 AM
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EUTest and K12b and Eurotest K15

As for Oracle:

15 components mode.
Component threshold auto-set to 0.810%. Admix results below that value will not be considered.


Kit Number: M393808

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 21.13
2 Siberian 19.93
3 Southeast_Asian 13.69
4 South_Asian 11.07
5 Eastern_Euro 9.98
6 North_Sea 6.54
7 East_Med 5.63
8 Baltic 5.26
9 Atlantic 4.25
10 Amerindian 2.53


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbeki @ 7.142
2 Hazara @ 10.545
3 Uygur @ 12.506
4 Nogay @ 15.133
5 Tadjik @ 19.252
6 Shors @ 31.388
7 Hakas @ 31.814
8 Kumyk @ 32.169
9 Balkar @ 33.808
10 Lezgin @ 34.776
165 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hazara +50% Nogay @ 5.320
2 50% Nogay +50% Uzbeki @ 5.498
3 50% Nogay +50% Uygur @ 6.515
4 50% Uzbeki +50% Uzbeki @ 7.142
5 50% Tadjik +50% Uygur @ 7.678
6 50% Hazara +50% Tadjik @ 7.705
7 50% Hazara +50% Uzbeki @ 8.343
8 50% Tadjik +50% Uzbeki @ 8.395
9 50% Uygur +50% Uzbeki @ 8.965
10 50% Altaian +50% Lezgin @ 9.840
13695 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Uzbeki +25% Nogay +25% Uzbeki @ 3.629
2 50% Uzbeki +25% Hazara +25% Nogay @ 3.803
3 50% Tadjik +25% Mongolian +25% Nogay @ 3.932
4 50% Tadjik +25% Altaian +25% Uygur @ 4.078
5 50% Uzbeki +25% Nogay +25% Uygur @ 4.211
6 50% Tadjik +25% Mongolian +25% Uzbeki @ 4.353
7 50% Nogay +25% Burusho +25% Mongolian @ 4.465
8 50% Nogay +25% Mongolian +25% Pathan @ 4.502
9 50% Nogay +25% Mongolian +25% Punjabi_Jat @ 4.568
10 50% Hazara +25% Nogay +25% Uzbeki @ 4.637
726780 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Nogay + Uzbeki + Uzbeki + Uzbeki @ 3.629
2 Altaian + Kumyk + Tadjik + Uygur @ 3.720
3 Hazara + Nogay + Uzbeki + Uzbeki @ 3.803
4 Altaian + Lezgin + Tadjik + Uygur @ 3.833
5 Lezgin + Tadjik + Tuvinian + Uygur @ 3.845
6 Mongolian + Nogay + Tadjik + Tadjik @ 3.932
7 Altaian + Balochi + Nogay + Uygur @ 3.969
8 Hakas + Nogay + Tadjik + Uygur @ 4.048
9 Chechen + Tadjik + Tuvinian + Uygur @ 4.053
10 Altaian + Tadjik + Tadjik + Uygur @ 4.078
11 Altaian + Chechen + Tadjik + Uygur @ 4.112
12 Lezgin + Mongolian + Tadjik + Uzbeki @ 4.138
13 Lezgin + Mongolian + Tadjik + Uygur @ 4.147
14 Kumyk + Tadjik + Tuvinian + Uygur @ 4.200
15 Nogay + Uygur + Uzbeki + Uzbeki @ 4.211
16 Hazara + Lezgin + Mongolian + Tadjik @ 4.214
17 Buryat + Lezgin + Tadjik + Uygur @ 4.222
18 Balochi + Hakas + Nogay + Uygur @ 4.278
19 Altaian + Brahui + Nogay + Uygur @ 4.285
20 Altaian + Hazara + Kumyk + Tadjik @ 4.303

2209326 iterations.

Done.

Elapsed time 2.0331 seconds.

Sein
11-02-2013, 03:30 AM
ViktorL1,

Can you try the oracle function? I'm interested in what populations you get.

ViktorL1
11-02-2013, 03:41 AM
I am getting alot of Turkic groups in the Russian Federation and in the Central Asia/Afghanistan. Is this from Mongol invasion, Turkic migration, or just an East-West cline in Eurasians?

Sein
11-02-2013, 03:53 AM
I think a mixture of all of the above. But I also think that before the Turkic expansion into Central Asia occurred, the Iranian plateau, Indo-Aryan South Asia, and most of Central Asia, would have constituted a unique cultural zone where the genetic and cultural similarities would have been far greater than the genetic and cultural differences. You can say Turkic peoples spiced things up :biggrin1:.

NK19191
11-03-2013, 12:37 PM
Where in Tajikistan are you from? Which city?

ViktorL1
11-04-2013, 12:40 AM
Here are my Dr. McDonald results:

The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 12.7% (+- 4.1%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
and 17.8% (+- 2.3%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
and 2.0% (+- 1.2%) E. Asia (various subcontinents)
and 67.5% (+- 1.4%) S. Asia (all Central Asia)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Chuvash= 0.124 Adygei= 0.199 Chukchi= 0.014 Hazara= 0.663 or
Russian= 0.090 Adygei= 0.200 Chukchi= 0.028 Hazara= 0.682 or
Chuvash= 0.192 Iranian= 0.155 Chukchi= 0.008 Hazara= 0.646 or
Russian= 0.144 Iranian= 0.152 Chukchi= 0.028 Hazara= 0.676 or
Chuvash= 0.194 Iranian= 0.147 Japanese= 0.000 Hazara= 0.659 or
Chuvash= 0.135 Adygei= 0.181 Mongolian= 0.000 Hazara= 0.684 or
Lithuania= 0.074 Adygei= 0.207 Chukchi= 0.033 Hazara= 0.686 or
Poland= 0.081 Adygei= 0.199 Chukchi= 0.034 Hazara= 0.687 or
Russian= 0.146 Iranian= 0.150 Yakut= 0.029 Hazara= 0.676 or
Russian= 0.094 Adygei= 0.193 Yakut= 0.024 Hazara= 0.689

A custom fit says

Adygei 0.2024 Brahui 0.0918 Uygur 0.5735 Selkup 0.1323 or
Adygei 0.1965 Balochi 0.1011 Uygur 0.5686 Selkup 0.1338 or
Adygei 0.2190 Sindhi 0.0896 Uygur 0.5573 Selkup 0.1341 or
Adygei 0.1995 Pathan 0.1104 Uygur 0.5621 Selkup 0.1280 or
Russian 0.0944 Iranian 0.1996 Hazara 0.6088 Selkup 0.0972 or
Lithuania 0.0779 Iranian 0.2042 Hazara 0.6094 Selkup 0.1085 or
Poland 0.0838 Iranian 0.1973 Hazara 0.6088 Selkup 0.1100 or
Chuvash 0.1501 Adygei 0.1968 Pathan 0.2730 Mongola_Chi 0.3802

other custom fits are possible but all give absolutely identical green map spots.
This is not terribly accurate due to the large distances, but yours is very far west
of the typical Kazakh, who test in western Outer Mongolia. A careful look
at the rotating plot shows you are off in the direction of Pakistan,
not India or Iran, from the Uygur.


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ViktorL1
11-04-2013, 01:06 AM
Why is X the same on both sides? And why is Y absent? Is this because males have only 1 X chromosome?

Sein
11-04-2013, 01:33 AM
Very interesting results! Pretty fascinating that your West Eurasian ancestry is shifted toward Pakistan, rather than Iran or India.

Well, your X chromosome is from one parent (obviously, one's mother), so it's not a combination of both of your parents. That's why it doesn't have two sides. The Y-chromosome is one marker, and it doesn't recombine. It is very different in nature from the autosomal genome. You can't really divide it into separate sections, and match those with different regions. It just works differently.

ViktorL1
11-04-2013, 01:41 AM
Yeah, this confirms alot of what I've suspected all along. I have fairly East Asian features, and I don't look typically Tajik. I am surprised to know how close I cluster to Hazara and Uyghurs, but I look much more Turkic than Iranian, so maybe it's not surprising! :)

My chromosome painting is really colorful, lol.

Sein
11-04-2013, 02:22 AM
I'm really glad you are going to participate in HAP, your results are very interesting.

ViktorL1
11-19-2013, 07:36 PM
My 23andme results:

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newtoboard
11-19-2013, 08:58 PM
I think a mixture of all of the above. But I also think that before the Turkic expansion into Central Asia occurred, the Iranian plateau, Indo-Aryan South Asia, and most of Central Asia, would have constituted a unique cultural zone where the genetic and cultural similarities would have been far greater than the genetic and cultural differences. You can say Turkic peoples spiced things up :biggrin1:.


I think a mixture of all of the above. But I also think that before the Turkic expansion into Central Asia occurred, the Iranian plateau, Indo-Aryan South Asia, and most of Central Asia, would have constituted a unique cultural zone where the genetic and cultural similarities would have been far greater than the genetic and cultural differences. You can say Turkic peoples spiced things up :biggrin1:.

I disagree. What unites all those regions other than language (which are not mutually intelligable anyways) and some common genetic ancestry? Culturally Central Asia was its own thing, Indo-Aryan South Asia was likely still closer to non Indo-Aryan South Asia and the Iranian plateau was still part of the West Asian world. In terms of autosomal components this is what I think it it was like back then.

Iranian plateau: Caucasus>Gedrosia>Mediterranean>SW Asian>Northern European
Northern Central Asia: Northern European>West Asian>East Asian
Southern Central Asia: West Asian=Northern European
Indo-Aryan South Asia: West Asian>South Asian>Northern European

What do you think?

Sapporo
11-20-2013, 10:40 AM
I disagree. What unites all those regions other than language (which are not mutually intelligable anyways) and some common genetic ancestry? Culturally Central Asia was its own thing, Indo-Aryan South Asia was likely still closer to non Indo-Aryan South Asia and the Iranian plateau was still part of the West Asian world. In terms of autosomal components this is what I think it it was like back then.

Iranian plateau: Caucasus>Gedrosia>Mediterranean>SW Asian>Northern European
Northern Central Asia: Northern European>West Asian>East Asian
Southern Central Asia: West Asian=Northern European
Indo-Aryan South Asia: West Asian>South Asian>Northern European

What do you think?

Isn't Indo-Aryan South Asia (at least in the Northwest) still the same then? At least if you consider the Gedrosia/Baloch components to be West Eurasian (not West Asian) which they are. Just more South Asian/South-Central Asian specific.

Unless you consider the South Asian ancestry of back then to be different than how it is today?

newtoboard
11-20-2013, 12:07 PM
Isn't Indo-Aryan South Asia (at least in the Northwest) still the same then? At least if you consider the Gedrosia/Baloch components to be West Eurasian (not West Asian) which they are. Just more South Asian/South-Central Asian specific.

Unless you consider the South Asian ancestry of back then to be different than how it is today?

Yes. Iran and South Asia haven't changed much. It is Central Asia that has due to Turkic expansion. Although that might have inflated the Northern European and Gedrosia components somewhat in South Asia due to that expansion pushing East Iranian and Tocharian nomads into NW South Asia.

ViktorL1
12-04-2013, 04:51 AM
My HarrapaWorld ID is HRP0375, in case anyone was interested. Finally got my results back!