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aemilio993
09-18-2018, 04:33 AM
Hello all! I'm new to forum but I was interested in doing an investigation that goes back a bit further on my ancestry with most of it being Iberian. My paternal halogroup is R-M405 which from what i understand in regards to Iberia is found mainly in the north and was brought by the suebi tribes which migrated and settled north in that region.

To give some more context about myself, I also seemed to have a good deal of galician ancestry on both sides of my family as ancestrydna updated with me and both of my parents having my portuguese range higher than Spaniard portion which is most likely to be through my theorized galician side since galicia and Portugal genetically and linguistically overlap with each other.

Now the discrepancy here is that my family is puerto rican and we have no recent Portuguese family that we know of. From what I know about puerto rican migration is that there were a good number of galician migrants to the island and so that's were my hypthesis comes from in regards to my galician ancestry. So in short, is it possibly to assume that that the R-M405 on my paternal halogroup came from possible suebi invaders? Thank you for your input


Here is my euro k15 closest population approximation from gedmatch

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese 12.728664
2 Spanish_Extremadura 12.818033
3 Spanish_Murcia 13.270893
4 Spanish_Galicia 13.334726
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.418543
6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.969191
7 Spanish_Andalucia 14.707794
8 North_Italian 14.769558
9 Spanish_Valencia 14.849102
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.242348
11 Spanish_Cantabria 15.308724
12 Southwest_French 16.300249
13 Spanish_Aragon 16.689562
14 French 17.180973
15 Tuscan 19.045301
16 Serbian 20.409477
17 South_Dutch 20.743446
18 Romanian 21.502945
19 Austrian 21.732723
20 Bulgarian 22.312880

RCO
09-18-2018, 07:31 PM
Welcome. You should test your R-M405 to discover what's your specific branch via FTDNA Big Y or FGC. You can find your place here https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/
It looks like you had ancestors in the Western side of Iberia, I have seen several cases of Hispanics with connections to Extremadura or Portugal. You can also find several matches there what would point to that direction.

Tz85
09-18-2018, 09:22 PM
Hello all! I'm new to forum but I was interested in doing an investigation that goes back a bit further on my ancestry with most of it being Iberian. My paternal halogroup is R-M405 which from what i understand in regards to Iberia is found mainly in the north and was brought by the suebi tribes which migrated and settled north in that region.

To give some more context about myself, I also seemed to have a good deal of galician ancestry on both sides of my family as ancestrydna updated with me and both of my parents having my portuguese range higher than Spaniard portion which is most likely to be through my theorized galician side since galicia and Portugal genetically and linguistically overlap with each other.

Now the discrepancy here is that my family is puerto rican and we have no recent Portuguese family that we know of. From what I know about puerto rican migration is that there were a good number of galician migrants to the island and so that's were my hypthesis comes from in regards to my galician ancestry. So in short, is it possibly to assume that that the R-M405 on my paternal halogroup came from possible suebi invaders? Thank you for your input


Here is my euro k15 closest population approximation from gedmatch

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese 12.728664
2 Spanish_Extremadura 12.818033
3 Spanish_Murcia 13.270893
4 Spanish_Galicia 13.334726
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.418543
6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.969191
7 Spanish_Andalucia 14.707794
8 North_Italian 14.769558
9 Spanish_Valencia 14.849102
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.242348
11 Spanish_Cantabria 15.308724
12 Southwest_French 16.300249
13 Spanish_Aragon 16.689562
14 French 17.180973
15 Tuscan 19.045301
16 Serbian 20.409477
17 South_Dutch 20.743446
18 Romanian 21.502945
19 Austrian 21.732723
20 Bulgarian 22.312880

The suebi were Southwest Germanic tribes. You should have some Germanic, Austrian, or Eastern European admixture. What's your kit#?

Puerto Ricans for the most part have been on the Island for over 500 years. Their have been multiple migrations there (Spainards, Italians, Corsican Italians, Dutch), so it would be hard to prove.

aemilio993
09-19-2018, 12:45 AM
Welcome. You should test your R-M405 to discover what's your specific branch via FTDNA Big Y or FGC. You can find your place here
It looks like you had ancestors in the Western side of Iberia, I have seen several cases of Hispanics with connections to Extremadura or Portugal. You can also find several matches there what would point to that direction.
Thank you for the advice. I will have to investigate further then in this case. Which of the Y tests from FTDNA would you recommend buying btw?


The suebi were Southwest Germanic tribes. You should have some Germanic, Austrian, or Eastern European admixture. What's your kit#?

Puerto Ricans for the most part have been on the Island for over 500 years. Their have been multiple migrations there (Spainards, Italians, Corsican Italians, Dutch), so it would be hard to prove.
Yes thats true. I'm under the impression that most of the puerto rican migration has been from canary islands too during the 1700-1800s.

here's my kit number btw

A025185

RCO
09-19-2018, 02:42 AM
You can test FTDNA Big Y, so you can join YFull with your BAM file.

Tz85
09-19-2018, 02:45 AM
Thank you for the advice. I will have to investigate further then in this case. Which of the Y tests from FTDNA would you recommend buying btw?


Yes thats true. I'm under the impression that most of the puerto rican migration has been from canary islands too during the 1700-1800s.

here's my kit number btw

A025185

Btw, Autosomally, you match my wife, and her Father over 10cM largest segment. My wife's family is 100% Puerto Rican. You're related.

Tz85
09-19-2018, 02:57 AM
Also looking at your admixture, the main populations other than Spanish, are Basque and North Italian. West German also comes up sometime, but at a much greater distance.

My guess is that it's French Basque. Swabian would be a stretch but not impossible.

Bollox79
09-19-2018, 09:03 PM
The suebi were Southwest Germanic tribes. You should have some Germanic, Austrian, or Eastern European admixture. What's your kit#?

Puerto Ricans for the most part have been on the Island for over 500 years. Their have been multiple migrations there (Spainards, Italians, Corsican Italians, Dutch), so it would be hard to prove.

He could still have a "Germanic" Y-DNA line and not have any "Germanic" recent admixture as it was a very long time ago the Suebi came into Iberia ;-). One thing is for sure though now with more and more Germanic Migration period burials being analyzed - U106 is the majority haplogroup so far... most common etc.

Bollox79
09-19-2018, 09:08 PM
Hello all! I'm new to forum but I was interested in doing an investigation that goes back a bit further on my ancestry with most of it being Iberian. My paternal halogroup is R-M405 which from what i understand in regards to Iberia is found mainly in the north and was brought by the suebi tribes which migrated and settled north in that region.

To give some more context about myself, I also seemed to have a good deal of galician ancestry on both sides of my family as ancestrydna updated with me and both of my parents having my portuguese range higher than Spaniard portion which is most likely to be through my theorized galician side since galicia and Portugal genetically and linguistically overlap with each other.

Now the discrepancy here is that my family is puerto rican and we have no recent Portuguese family that we know of. From what I know about puerto rican migration is that there were a good number of galician migrants to the island and so that's were my hypthesis comes from in regards to my galician ancestry. So in short, is it possibly to assume that that the R-M405 on my paternal halogroup came from possible suebi invaders? Thank you for your input


Here is my euro k15 closest population approximation from gedmatch

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese 12.728664
2 Spanish_Extremadura 12.818033
3 Spanish_Murcia 13.270893
4 Spanish_Galicia 13.334726
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.418543
6 Spanish_Cataluna 13.969191
7 Spanish_Andalucia 14.707794
8 North_Italian 14.769558
9 Spanish_Valencia 14.849102
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.242348
11 Spanish_Cantabria 15.308724
12 Southwest_French 16.300249
13 Spanish_Aragon 16.689562
14 French 17.180973
15 Tuscan 19.045301
16 Serbian 20.409477
17 South_Dutch 20.743446
18 Romanian 21.502945
19 Austrian 21.732723
20 Bulgarian 22.312880

Welcome to the forum! I see people have already recommended YFull or Big Y at FTDNA (I was one of the early Big Y testers - haven't regretted it since!)... also make sure since you are R1b-U106+ that you join the U106 DNA yahoo forum where we discuss a lot of stuff and all the experts are there etc... and don't be afraid to ask questions! If you test at FTDNA you can then join the FTDNA U106 DNA project also. The U106 yahoo forum is here: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/R1b1c_U106-S21/info

Hope to see you around! Welcome to U106+ group!

Additionally check out my growing list of ancient/medieval (aDNA) samples positive for the U106 mutation and subgroups where possible here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h6ZFaJe9gUtwl2r2Iu33B5_kCc6er5n9oEthCe25wV0/edit?usp=sharing

Cheers,
Charlie

aemilio993
09-20-2018, 02:12 AM
You can test FTDNA Big Y, so you can join YFull with your BAM file.
Thank you! I decided to go with FTDNA then.


Btw, Autosomally, you match my wife, and her Father over 10cM largest segment. My wife's family is 100% Puerto Rican. You're related.
That's quite possibly and to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me because my impression of puerto rican genetics is that it is very quite homogeneous as an island due to its small size as a colony. Which part specifically is her family from if I might ask? My family is mainly from Naranjito, as well as Toa Alta and Baranquitas as far as I know. We're mainly located in the mountains but I do have some family that have recently gone to the bigger cities like San Juan.


He could still have a "Germanic" Y-DNA line and not have any "Germanic" recent admixture as it was a very long time ago the Suebi came into Iberia ;-). One thing is for sure though now with more and more Germanic Migration period burials being analyzed - U106 is the majority haplogroup so far... most common etc.
I'm very excited to hear that they're able to analyze more samples from way back then from these burials. I'm under the impression that the ancient germans tribe the Suebi had the greatest impact genetically within the north although it wasn't as great as say the celt migration into iberia of course but its interesting to see a trace of their existence within the modern dna. I got this information from eupedia btw, I don't know if it's quite reliable as a source


Welcome to the forum! I see people have already recommended YFull or Big Y at FTDNA (I was one of the early Big Y testers - haven't regretted it since!)... also make sure since you are R1b-U106+ that you join the U106 DNA yahoo forum where we discuss a lot of stuff and all the experts are there etc... and don't be afraid to ask questions! If you test at FTDNA you can then join the FTDNA U106 DNA project also. The U106 yahoo forum is here:

Hope to see you around! Welcome to U106+ group!

Additionally check out my growing list of ancient/medieval (aDNA) samples positive for the U106 mutation and subgroups where possible here:

Cheers,
Charlie

Thank you very much Charlie! I will now have to investigate further into FTDNA in order to uncover more information about this line. Thanks again to those who recommended it for me. I'm very much interested in ancient/medieval dna and the impact it had upon modern day populations so I'd be certainly interested in joining the group and learn more information on this topic!

Bollox79
09-20-2018, 02:27 AM
Thank you! I decided to go with FTDNA then.


That's quite possibly and to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me because my impression of puerto rican genetics is that it is very quite homogeneous as an island due to its small size as a colony. Which part specifically is her family from if I might ask? My family is mainly from Naranjito, as well as Toa Alta and Baranquitas as far as I know. We're mainly located in the mountains but I do have some family that have recently gone to the bigger cities like San Juan.


I'm very excited to hear that they're able to analyze more samples from way back then from these burials. I'm under the impression that the ancient germans tribe the Suebi had the greatest impact genetically within the north although it wasn't as great as say the celt migration into iberia of course but its interesting to see a trace of their existence within the modern dna. I got this information from eupedia btw, I don't know if it's quite reliable as a source



Thank you very much Charlie! I will now have to investigate further into FTDNA in order to uncover more information about this line. Thanks again to those who recommended it for me. I'm very much interested in ancient/medieval dna and the impact it had upon modern day populations so I'd be certainly interested in joining the group and learn more information on this topic!

Once again welcome!!!

U106 is a growing group and we have almost 30 ancient and medieval burials that are positive for U106+ ;-). 22 of those can be said to be buried in a "Germanic" burial context either from about the late 300s AD Germanic Migration period into the 800-1000 Viking Period.

Glad to hear you went with FTDNA... though I try not to promote one company over another, but I tested with FTDNA and have been happy with the service so far. What I'm even more happy with is that the U106 yahoo group interacts a lot with FTDNA and the other companies who do the testing for us - we do a majority of the analyzing and interpreting the data etc. Make sure to join the U106 yahoo forum - you can even ask testing advice there. When you do test with FTDNA you can join their U106 DNA project headed by Charles Moore and many of our experts like Dr. Iain McDonald (he is in charge of the overall dating of U106 group and also my subgroup of DF98). Here is a primer written by Dr. McDonald and it sums up DNA testing nicely: http://www.jb.man.ac.uk/~mcdonald/genetics/report-2017-primer.pdf - make sure you check it out!

Cheers,
Charlie

Tz85
09-20-2018, 03:59 AM
Thank you! I decided to go with FTDNA then.


That's quite possibly and to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me because my impression of puerto rican genetics is that it is very quite homogeneous as an island due to its small size as a colony. Which part specifically is her family from if I might ask? My family is mainly from Naranjito, as well as Toa Alta and Baranquitas as far as I know. We're mainly located in the mountains but I do have some family that have recently gone to the bigger cities like San Juan.


I'm very excited to hear that they're able to analyze more samples from way back then from these burials. I'm under the impression that the ancient germans tribe the Suebi had the greatest impact genetically within the north although it wasn't as great as say the celt migration into iberia of course but its interesting to see a trace of their existence within the modern dna. I got this information from eupedia btw, I don't know if it's quite reliable as a source



Thank you very much Charlie! I will now have to investigate further into FTDNA in order to uncover more information about this line. Thanks again to those who recommended it for me. I'm very much interested in ancient/medieval dna and the impact it had upon modern day populations so I'd be certainly interested in joining the group and learn more information on this topic!

They're from Trujillo Alto. The Suebi were made up of a group of Germanic tribes. My Swabian ancestors were most likely from Alemanni tribe. Which is in present day Baden-wurtemberg, tubingen, Germany.

This is in the very South West of Germany.

Bollox79
09-20-2018, 04:39 AM
They're from Trujillo Alto. The Suebi were made up of a group of Germanic tribes. My Swabian ancestors were most likely from Alemanni tribe. Which is in present day Baden-wurtemberg, tubingen, Germany.

This is in the very South West of Germany.

Tz85,

I don't know if you are aware... but we have samples from an Alemanni burial site called Niederstotzingen in Baden-Württemberg! These are the samples that were U106+... they were all recently kin except for grave/skeleton 12c - though he was still Z319 under U106 etc...

Niederstotzingen Grave 1: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499> L48> Z9> Z347> Z328> FGC10367>Z319>S1734>FGC363>FGC23165>FGC23143 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 40-50 years of age. Grave good: Lance, shield, saex, double-edged sword (spatha). Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Lithuanian, Icelandic, Norwegian. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 3a: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48> Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319>S1734>FGC363>FGC23165 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 20-30 years of age and archeological context: Byzantine. Grave goods: Lance, shield, saex, double-edged sword (spatha), arrows, and bridle with silver pressed sheet metal fittings of Byzantine ornamentation. Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Norwegian, Icelandic, Irish. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 6: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319>S1734 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 14-17 years of age and archeological context: Lombardian. Grave goods: Double-edged sword (spatha), belt and bridle originating from Lombard Italy. Belt ornamentation dated to beginning of 7th century. Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Lithuanian, Norwegian, Icelandic. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 9: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319>S1734>FGC363>FGC23165>FGC23143 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 40-50 years of age and archeological context: Franconian (Frankish). Grave goods: Lance, shield, shield handle, saex, double-edged ring sword (ring-pommel spatha). The ring sword has a silver pommel and bead golden decorative button, and the lance engravings indicate Frankish origin. Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Lithuanian, Icelandic, Irish. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 12b: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 30-40 years of age and archeological context: Byzantine. Grave goods: Double-edged sword (spatha), lance, shield, lamellar helmet-Byzantine style. Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Lithuanian, Irish, Icelandic. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 12c: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 20-30 years of age. Grave goods: Double-edged sword (spatha). Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Icelandic, Norwegian, Lithuanian. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

(Graves 1, 3a, 6, 9, and 12b listed to same SNP - FGC23143 - based on their positive kinship status via the paper’s results - 12c is related in the paternal line to the SNP Z319).

Cheers!

Tz85
09-20-2018, 04:46 AM
Tz85,

I don't know if you are aware... but we have samples from an Alemanni burial site called Niederstotzingen in Baden-Württemberg! These are the samples that were U106+... they were all recently kin except for grave/skeleton 12c - though he was still Z319 under U106 etc...

Niederstotzingen Grave 1: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499> L48> Z9> Z347> Z328> FGC10367>Z319>S1734>FGC363>FGC23165>FGC23143 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 40-50 years of age. Grave good: Lance, shield, saex, double-edged sword (spatha). Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Lithuanian, Icelandic, Norwegian. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 3a: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48> Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319>S1734>FGC363>FGC23165 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 20-30 years of age and archeological context: Byzantine. Grave goods: Lance, shield, saex, double-edged sword (spatha), arrows, and bridle with silver pressed sheet metal fittings of Byzantine ornamentation. Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Norwegian, Icelandic, Irish. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 6: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319>S1734 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 14-17 years of age and archeological context: Lombardian. Grave goods: Double-edged sword (spatha), belt and bridle originating from Lombard Italy. Belt ornamentation dated to beginning of 7th century. Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Lithuanian, Norwegian, Icelandic. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 9: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319>S1734>FGC363>FGC23165>FGC23143 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 40-50 years of age and archeological context: Franconian (Frankish). Grave goods: Lance, shield, shield handle, saex, double-edged ring sword (ring-pommel spatha). The ring sword has a silver pommel and bead golden decorative button, and the lance engravings indicate Frankish origin. Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Lithuanian, Icelandic, Irish. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 12b: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 30-40 years of age and archeological context: Byzantine. Grave goods: Double-edged sword (spatha), lance, shield, lamellar helmet-Byzantine style. Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Lithuanian, Irish, Icelandic. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

Niederstotzingen Grave 12c: R-U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>Z9>Z347> Z328>FGC10367>Z319 per Alex Williamson. Male aged 20-30 years of age. Grave goods: Double-edged sword (spatha). Shared drift/autosomal: top 3 pops: Icelandic, Norwegian, Lithuanian. Isotope analysis: most likely local to the area or a similar area to Niederstotzingen. (Only grave 10 and 3b showed up as non-local in their isotope analysis).

(Graves 1, 3a, 6, 9, and 12b listed to same SNP - FGC23143 - based on their positive kinship status via the paper’s results - 12c is related in the paternal line to the SNP Z319).

Cheers!

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ADW_1981
09-20-2018, 05:30 PM
The suebi were Southwest Germanic tribes. You should have some Germanic, Austrian, or Eastern European admixture. What's your kit#?



Not really. No guarantee that the signal would still be present. Rather the odds are highly against it. However, there is a good chance R1b-M405 is from Germanic mixture, but there are several periods in which this could have arrived.

Several studies has shown maternal continuity in Iberia, as well as the "Steppe" signal diminishing over time from central European post-Neolithic groups. No indication whatsoever U106 was in Iberia until more recently. Thus, R1b males will more likely resemble the local populations due to breeding with local groups.

Tz85
09-20-2018, 06:21 PM
Not really. No guarantee that the signal would still be present. Rather the odds are highly against it. However, there is a good chance R1b-M405 is from Germanic mixture, but there are several periods in which this could have arrived.

Several studies has shown maternal continuity in Iberia, as well as the "Steppe" signal diminishing over time from central European post-Neolithic groups. No indication whatsoever U106 was in Iberia until more recently. Thus, R1b males will more likely resemble the local populations due to breeding with local groups.

Yeah, that's why I said in another post that it's not likely but not impossible.

aemilio993
09-21-2018, 05:39 AM
They're from Trujillo Alto. The Suebi were made up of a group of Germanic tribes. My Swabian ancestors were most likely from Alemanni tribe. Which is in present day Baden-wurtemberg, tubingen, Germany.

This is in the very South West of Germany.

I see, trujillo alto is not so far from Naranjito(about 40 minutes) and most of my ancestors are from the center and east part of island so there's quite a large possibility that she could be recent family after all. Puerto Rico being an incredibly small island helps too. Being a lover of ancient world history especially the classical and late classical era, I'm familiar with the the Alemanni tribes who were influential in their contribution to the high german langauge. Actually, "Germany" in Spanish is Alemania which comes from the name of the Alemanni tribe