Haplogroup W1c

[Amber29]

I did a test with 23 and me and this is what they have given me... I know of the FTDNA services, but will do that in the near future. Anyone has any idea where this may have originated from or any info on it?

MTDNA W1C

[Geborgenheit]

The age of this subclade of W is between 4,400 and 11,200 years (Behar et al., 2012b). Origin could be either Eastern European or Asian steppes.

[Amber29]

The age of this subclade of W is between 4,400 and 11,200 years (Behar et al., 2012b). Origin could be either Eastern European or Asian steppes.

Seems like not alot of people have this subclade lol. thank you for responding to my post lol.

I can imagine asian steppes Pakistan isnt so far from there...Interesting...

[indusnomad]

My mtDNA is W1c. I'm South Asian. When did this lineage enter South Asia?

[Amber29]

My mtDNA is W1c. I'm South Asian. When did this lineage enter South Asia?

I got my Mtdna tested im W1c4 - (w1c - T16292c!) to be specific.....theres actually different mutations belonging to W1c - as its very widespread - The dates are still yet to be considered as there been an update on timing on Yfull Mtree - if someone knows about this please do mention it.

[indusnomad]

Gotcha! How do I find out my exact mutations?

[Amber29]

Gotcha! How do I find out my exact mutations?

you can test with FamilyTree Mt full sequence which I have done its on sale atm for $149 (i even have a GD match of 0 too :O ) you will recieve matches with familytree dna
or you can test with YSEQ Mtcomplete

either way you can then upload this to the Yfull Mtree

we need more testers W1c South Asians....:P lol

also what is your background?

[indusnomad]

I'll check it out and also join it! I'm Indian (Gujarati).

[laltota]

you can test with FamilyTree Mt full sequence which I have done its on sale atm for $149 (i even have a GD match of 0 too :O ) you will recieve matches with familytree dna
or you can test with YSEQ Mtcomplete

either way you can then upload this to the Yfull Mtree

we need more testers W1c South Asians....:P lol

also what is your background?

FTDNA would be better than YSEQ if cost is similar because FTDNA have their matching charts etc. This would be good for finding future matches, if the database grows with more people on FTDNA.

[laltota]

I got my Mtdna tested im W1c4 - (w1c - T16292c!) to be specific.....theres actually different mutations belonging to W1c - as its very widespread - The dates are still yet to be considered as there been an update on timing on Yfull Mtree - if someone knows about this please do mention it.

W1c is widespread, but frequency percentage is not too high in most places (if I am remembering correctly).

Projected spatial distribution of haplogroup W
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Spatial_frequency_distribution_of_haplogroup_W.png/1920px-Spatial_frequency_distribution_of_haplogroup_W.png

[Amber29]

FTDNA would be better than YSEQ if cost is similar because FTDNA have their matching charts etc. This would be good for finding future matches, if the database grows with more people on FTDNA.

I agree to this esp for matches as that is the aim to find alonf your maternal line. Ive only got europeans so far not one asian on full sequence..

And yes about ur other post dont know how to reply quote about the widespread lol..

[losAntonis]

It seems this map does not include me as sample.

[Amber29]

The map on ftdna ? Lol i cant see you on the map maybe speak to the admin? I think he needs to add u in. Or is your setting open to the group?...

[Kristiina]

The oldest ancient W1c seems to be from Neolithic Çatalhöyuk Turkey 20810 7100-5959 BC.

W1c has also been detected in Neolithic Europe but the European line seems to be W1c1.

W1c has also been detected in ancient Kazakhstan/Steppe (e.g. Sintashta and TianShanSaka) and Siberia (Tagar), but the specific subtype is not clear.

According to Ian Logan mtDNA site, W1c4 is an Asian branch that is currently found in Iranians, Uyghurs and in an Indian and a Greek-Slavic individual (http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/w1c_genbank_sequences.htm).

[Amber29]

The oldest ancient W1c seems to be from Neolithic Çatalhöyuk Turkey 20810 7100-5959 BC.

W1c has also been detected in Neolithic Europe but the European line seems to be W1c1.

W1c has also been detected in ancient Kazakhstan/Steppe (e.g. Sintashta and TianShanSaka) and Siberia (Tagar), but the specific subtype is not clear.

According to Ian Logan mtDNA site, W1c4 is an Asian branch that is currently found in Iranians, Uyghurs and in an Indian and a Greek-Slavic individual (http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/w1c_genbank_sequences.htm).

one of them is me and the other user is also i think belongs to him too - but had been told by our group admin that the old line is from Neolithic - i think we all want our personal migrations lol

[Amber29]

Copying this and pasting from Mats Carlin group admin words - for W1c

"The oldest known W1c sample so far was published in 2019. It is a a W1c Neolithic individual sk20810 that is about 8.400 years old from Çatalhöyük in Turkey, which is one of the important archeological sites within the early Neolithic [Chylensky et al 2019]. The individual is buried in a pit grave in the central eastern platform of building 96 close to two H/H+73 mtDNA graves. The skeleton was complete but poorly preserved and based on morphological traits it was interpreted as an adult (20+ years). Sex was recorded as probable male based on the characteristics of the cranium and mandible. The individual was interred in very tightly flexed position and was lying on its left side with the head to the west and feet to the east. There is a picture of the skeleton in the supplementary description of the paper.


Two W1c ancient samples were published in 2018:

“Damsgaard et al 2018 (2)” describes an Early Iron Age W1c male DA5 from Grishkin Log 1 near the abandoned Saragash village in the Krasnoyarsk region of Siberia, dated 800 BC belonging to the Tagar culture, which have strong ties to the Scythians since there are obvious similarities between Tagar and Scythian bronze art objects and weapons. The Tagar culture also used kurgan burials. It has been suggested that Tagarians had a complex economy that included cow, sheep and goat breeding, as well as farming with elements of irrigation.

“Damsgaard et al 2018 (2)” describes an Iron Age W1c male DA58/Kyr26 from kurgan grave no.3 at the Baskiya 1 burial ground 6 km south of Dzherge-Tal, in the centre of the Dzhany-Talap collective farm of the Naryn district in Kirgizstan, on a flat mountain plateau, dated to 50 BC belonging to the Tian Shan early Saka nomadic culture. The Saka culture buried their dead in single grave 10 m wide kurgans oriented east-west often in rows oriented north to south. The graves that has been examined were situated at the eastern edge of the mountain plateau.

And yet another W1c ancient sample was published in 2015:

There is a W1 Neolithic individual BENZ15 that is 5.100-4.650 years old from Benzingerode in Germany [Haak et al 2015]. This individual belongs to the Funnel Beaker culture. This individual is probably pre-W1c1 as it has two out of the three defining mutational markers for the W1c1 branch.

We discovered four new subclades under W1c in 2019:

W1c1-sc1a2 has members from France, Scotland and the US.

W1c-sc3b1 has members from Canada and Ireland.

W1c-sc8 has a number of kits from Poland, Belarus, Russia, Iran, Pakistan and India, as well as a Uyghur subclade W1c-sc8a published in a scientific paper [Zheng et al 2018]. We expect to find more subclades under W1c-sc8 since we lack testers from the Asian subbranches"

ANY ASIANS W1c Pleaaaaase get testedd! we need to represent ourselves moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.