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RCO
09-27-2018, 09:28 PM
Haplotree - "The world’s largest Y-DNA Haplotree with more than 16,000 branches, 118,000 variants and 160,000 confirmed SNPs" as they say ?
We can search haplogroup/country/surname

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/

spruithean
09-27-2018, 09:42 PM
It looks decent, I was able to find my branch relatively easy.

Osiris
09-27-2018, 11:05 PM
Fun. I think easy to use trees are an excellent draw for potential customers. Telling people you fit on this tree and we can tell you where. Searching by surname seems challenging though. But I did enjoy the country reports for various branches.

It would be extra fun if they found a way to include ancient DNA on the tree as a potential teaching mechanism.

MitchellSince1893
09-27-2018, 11:18 PM
You can only drill down to R-M343? Kinda of disappointing.

Osiris
09-27-2018, 11:20 PM
There are 33 people at F-89 but no F sub-branches. I guess that means that most people who are F just haven't tested more common SNPs further down like M343. Although perhaps there are a few true F men in that count. Looks like K is the same.

Although it's good to see M, P and S represented.

rms2
09-27-2018, 11:39 PM
The thing didn't work for me.

faulconer
09-27-2018, 11:57 PM
It's working for me on my Mac (Chrome and Safari). I am able to drill down to my current terminal SNP.

rivergirl
09-28-2018, 12:01 AM
All I get is a purple circle going round and round.:(

rms2
09-28-2018, 12:15 AM
I tried it again just now, and it worked. It took me right to my terminal SNP.

Joe B
09-28-2018, 01:02 AM
This is a positive development. It will be somewhat difficult to navigate for people not familiar with phylogenetics. Hopefully that will improve in the future. It's somewhat resembles the 23andMe tree.
The FTDNA tree should be very complimentary to the YFull haplotree. I don't see it as a competition. Each have their strong points.
Having the ISOGG, YFull and now FTDNA haplotrees available to the academic community is a real boon. It should benefit everybody

leonardo
09-28-2018, 01:34 AM
This tree really is nicely done, with an overall count and a count by nations.

firemonkey
09-28-2018, 03:47 AM
I am E-BY5234 . I have 2 Big Y matches but they branch under me. as E-BY178965.


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I guess this means I'm stuck in a paragroup a bit longer.

MitchellSince1893
09-28-2018, 05:16 AM
You can only drill down to R-M343? Kinda of disappointing.

Tried it again and I can go all the way to my terminal branch this time.

One thing I like about this is, I no longer have to wonder if there are any hidden/unknown members of my current terminal branch in the FTDNA database. All are accounted for.

Cofgene
09-28-2018, 11:29 AM
This tree really is nicely done, with an overall count and a count by nations.

Count by nations is not very meaningful due to the test result bias present in the system. This is an Anglo-American tree. Also note that location can originate from a period of 500+ years based upon what a tester knows about their lineage. There should be time frame associated with nationality. It's mixed up data.

Afshar
09-28-2018, 12:09 PM
Finally, looks nice. I hope they will put some more info about the clades next.

leonardo
09-28-2018, 01:30 PM
Count by nations is not very meaningful due to the test result bias present in the system. This is an Anglo-American tree. Also note that location can originate from a period of 500+ years based upon what a tester knows about their lineage. There should be time frame associated with nationality. It's mixed up data.

For my particular haplogroup, I find the nationalities helpful, as I try to paint a picture of tribal migration 1250-1500 years ago. This may not be the case for everybody.

MitchellSince1893
10-02-2018, 09:48 PM
Playing with the numbers for L23, L51, and L151, I did a little experiment and created some maps.

I went to the country report for the 3 branches above and put the numbers in a spreadsheet for number of branch kits and total kits per country and divided branch kits by total kits.

I then filtered out any country with less than 5 samples, and entered the percentages as a weight in on this site to get a mid point

http://www.geomidpoint.com/

So for example to create the L51 map, I would enter Czech Republic weight = 1.49, Austria weight 1.25 and so on. So the more branch kits per total kits the more weight it has.
Country Branchkits Total Kits branch/total
Czech 1 67 1.49%
Austria 1 80 1.25%
Hungary 1 86 1.16%
Italy 4 421 0.95%
Switzerland 4 425 0.94%
Netherlands 2 350 0.57%
Sweden 2 511 0.39%
Germany 5 1799 0.28%
France 3 1107 0.27%
N Ireland 1 498 0.20%
Spain 1 666 0.15%
UK 2 1682 0.12%
England 4 4207 0.10%
Scotland 3 3199 0.09%
Ireland 3 5124 0.06%

I did this for all three levels.
L23 Center point is in Russia near the Black Sea coast
L51 Center point is in Train, Germany near Czech border
L151 Center point is between Leutkirch im Allgäu and Isny im Allgäu Germany near the Swiss and Austrian border

These maps may not be very useful (just sharing a little experiment), but they do show a general east to west progression over time.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/ab/bd/1fabbd4fbb36fb9965b0cfebb3449b5e.png

JonikW
10-02-2018, 11:55 PM
Mine doesn't look too good at the moment. I went to I-A4577, one SNP upstream of the current terminal that I share with a Swedish tester. Four of us are positive for A4577, me, the Swede, a German and an American with a variant of the German's surname. My project manager has identified us all as A4577+, as does YFull. The screenshot here shows a very different picture though, although for some reason the four of us feature on it. Any idea why?

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Osiris
10-02-2018, 11:58 PM
Mine doesn't look too good at the moment. I went to I-A4577, one SNP upstream of the current terminal that I share with a Swedish tester. Four of us are positive for A4577, me, the Swede, a German and an American with a variant of the German's surname. My project manager has identified us all as A4577+, as does YFull. The screenshot here shows a very different picture though, although for some reason the four of us feature on it. Any idea why?

26377I think that column is only for people at that level and no deeper. If you scroll further right one of the other columns should be what you're after.

ArmandoR1b
10-08-2018, 05:42 PM
It looks to me like they are using more than just BigY kits and that throws off the numbers quite a bit if you look at total kits for a specific country but go down branches then many more kits are missing than there should be. Not all of them are accounted for because they have not tested positive for downstream branches because they have only done limited SNP testing without BigY testing. For instance there are 609 kits for Spain positive for P312 but the total between DF27, L21&Z290, DF99, ZZ37_1 and U152 is 479 so 130 are missing. Is there really that many people from Spain with BigY testing positive for P312 but negative for all of those? I very seriously doubt it.

It also makes it seem like there are a lot more BigY tested people than there really are if they aren't using only BigY kits and provided the massive number of kits in some of those haplogroups. A tree like that without all of the downstream SNPs being tested can be misleading. YFull is still so much better for seeing which countries are negative for which downstream SNPs and how many.

vettor
10-10-2018, 06:00 PM
Ftdna updated my mtdna branch of H95a

the unknowns from chit chatting to these are 2 x austrian ans 1 x bavarian in ancestry

https://i.postimg.cc/tTFzjYgp/ftdna_h95a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

vettor
10-10-2018, 06:00 PM
Ftdna updated my mtdna branch of H95a

the unknowns from chit chatting to these are 2 x austrian ans 1 x bavarian in ancestry

https://i.postimg.cc/tTFzjYgp/ftdna_h95a.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

vettor
10-10-2018, 06:07 PM
In my ydna from this tree
There are only 2 x T-Z19945.....myself and an English person whose surname is Brooks but ancestral surname was German as in Brucke
from Johannes Brucke was born in 1557, in Elsoff Wittgenstein.


The branch which Z19945 emerged from has
Country Report: Y-DNA Haplogroup T-CTS8862



Distribution
Germany 16.67%
Italy 11.11%
Switzerland 5.56%
Poland 5.56%
Bulgaria 5.56%
United Kingdom 5.56%
Belarus 5.56%
Ukraine 5.56%
Northern Ireland 5.56%

Osiris
10-10-2018, 07:07 PM
When did they put up the mito-tree? I don't remember it before. I was hoping they would though.

rivergirl
10-11-2018, 03:01 AM
It looks to me like they are using more than just BigY kits and that throws off the numbers quite a bit if you look at total kits for a specific country but go down branches then many more kits are missing than there should be. Not all of them are accounted for because they have not tested positive for downstream branches because they have only done limited SNP testing without BigY testing. For instance there are 609 kits for Spain positive for P312 but the total between DF27, L21&Z290, DF99, ZZ37_1 and U152 is 479 so 130 are missing. Is there really that many people from Spain with BigY testing positive for P312 but negative for all of those? I very seriously doubt it.

It also makes it seem like there are a lot more BigY tested people than there really are if they aren't using only BigY kits and provided the massive number of kits in some of those haplogroups. A tree like that without all of the downstream SNPs being tested can be misleading. YFull is still so much better for seeing which countries are negative for which downstream SNPs and how many.

Yes they are definitely using SNP pack results as well as Big Y. I can see from the R-CTS1751 section results for men I know who have only tested with a SNP pack or individual SNP.
I can account for all the Big Y tested men under R-CTS1751 men and that still leaves many more men tested only with SNP packs.

ArmandoR1b
10-16-2018, 02:52 PM
Yes they are definitely using SNP pack results as well as Big Y. I can see from the R-CTS1751 section results for men I know who have only tested with a SNP pack or individual SNP.
I can account for all the Big Y tested men under R-CTS1751 men and that still leaves many more men tested only with SNP packs.

Thank you for verifying that. They should keep separate stats for people not tested by BigY.

G Livesey
10-17-2018, 10:34 PM
Yes they are definitely using SNP pack results as well as Big Y. I can see from the R-CTS1751 section results for men I know who have only tested with a SNP pack or individual SNP.
I can account for all the Big Y tested men under R-CTS1751 men and that still leaves many more men tested only with SNP packs.

Thanks.

On the tree I share my terminal SNP R-BY3949 with a tester whose country is Spain. This must be the match I have at 25 markers who is my only Spanish match with an SNP. But it shows his SNP as CTS8949 which is in a large block of SNP's which includes my BY3949. But it shows that he has only done the Y-DNA111 test. So he must have done a SNP pack test, probably the R-Z43 Pack. Still, I would like to know why he is CTS8949 and not BY3949 if he is BY3949 on the tree with no mention on the tree of his CTS8949?