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Mr.G
09-28-2018, 09:45 PM
Sorry if this is a very newbie question, but I was wondering why my very Hungarian paternal line has an un-Hungarian haplogroup? As far as I know, my father's family is all Hungarian for multiple generations. Please excuse my ignorance, but is it possible N-M2783 came to Hungary with Arpad and the conquerors? Or was there some historic migration out of the Baltic states to Hungary? Thanks for any thoughts! Btw, N-M2783 was assigned to me via 23andMe V5.

parastais
09-29-2018, 10:37 AM
Any chance you are CTS8173?
https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-CTS8173/
It has a subbranch Y6075, estimated age 200 BCE, that is present in Slovaks, Czechs and Poles.
Other brother subbranches being present in Baltics.

Michał
09-29-2018, 12:28 PM
Btw, N-M2783 was assigned to me via 23andMe V5.
You need to determine your much more specific subclade under M2783 in order to get a better idea on how your patrilineage landed in Hungary.
For example, in case you belong to N-Y6075, a subclade mentioned by parastais, then it is quite likely that your paternal ancestors came to Hungary (or generally to Central Europe) with the Early Slavs.



https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-CTS8173/
It has a subbranch Y6075, estimated age 200 BCE, that is present in Slovaks, Czechs and Poles.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1712-N1c-in-the-Balts&p=120630&viewfull=1#post120630

Mr.G
09-29-2018, 02:27 PM
Thanks so much parastais. What would be the appropriate level test to get from FTDNA to determine my subbranch?

Mr.G
09-29-2018, 02:36 PM
Thanks Michal. Do you know the level of test at FTDNA that will provide the subclade? I've asked both you and parastais to make a recommendation. Don't wanna brake the bank, but also would like to explore this further and contribute to the knowledge about the distribution of this subclade.

MacUalraig
09-29-2018, 03:26 PM
You either need to do a SNP pack or the equivalent N1a panel at YSEQ. FTDNA STR tests are a different type of test except they can give you a high level haplogroup to get you started.

https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=18382

I'm not a hg N expert but typically the 23andMe goes lower down the tree than the basic haplogroup you get with an STR test. Hope this doesn't sound too confusing but we get queries virtually every day about this concept.

Michał
09-29-2018, 03:55 PM
Thanks Michal. Do you know the level of test at FTDNA that will provide the subclade? I've asked both you and parastais to make a recommendation. Don't wanna brake the bank, but also would like to explore this further and contribute to the knowledge about the distribution of this subclade.
Well, it all really depends on how much you can spend on it. The best option is of course Big Y500 at FTDNA (or any similar Y-NGS test elsewhere). In case you cannot afford it, I would strongly suggest the N1a-VL29 panel at YSEQ for 88$:
https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=18382&osCsid=25d3abecc49ec2db49a9e7810d0e4749

The advantage of Big Y500 is not only that you will get a much more detailed SNP report (with some previously unknown, or "private", SNPs included), but also the fact that you will get a full 111 Y-STR haplotype that should allow you to search for close and distant STR matches among those FTDNA customers who have not been tested for any relevant SNPs.

Mr.G
09-29-2018, 05:25 PM
I will do either the N1a-VL29 panel from YSEQ or the Big Y500, I just need to familiarize myself with this type of testing and all the terminology involved so I can understand my results. Whichever test I do, I will post the results here in the N forum. Thanks for all the guidance it has been very helpful!

Mr.G
03-21-2019, 06:57 PM
You need to determine your much more specific subclade under M2783 in order to get a better idea on how your patrilineage landed in Hungary.
For example, in case you belong to N-Y6075, a subclade mentioned by parastais, then it is quite likely that your paternal ancestors came to Hungary (or generally to Central Europe) with the Early Slavs.


https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?1712-N1c-in-the-Balts&p=120630&viewfull=1#post120630

Hey Michal, I have followed your advice to purchase N1a-VL29 panel at YSEQ, and my order is currently processing. So far, and my final clade has not yet been reached, I am N-Y6077+. So as you suggested many months ago it does appear I will end up being part of the small group of Slavic speaking central Europeans with N1c, even though it appears I will be one of the few (or only) Hungarians. When my final clade is determined I will open a thread to discuss. Thanks for suggesting I investigate this I am finding it most interesting.