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Tomenable
10-02-2018, 04:03 PM
https://archive.org/details/newworldproblems00bowmuoft/page/234 - see the map (Fig. 121., page 234)

https://i.imgur.com/zeR9YEO.png

martinmkp
10-05-2018, 01:10 PM
It is interesting to see how Czechs Moravians and Slovaks were grouped into one ethnicity. Probably it was already well working political concept of one Czechoslovak nation of professor Masaryk.
The similar case is maybe Serbo-Croats.

martinmkp
10-06-2018, 08:38 AM
But Serbo-Croat concept or "South Slavic" (Jugoslavia) concept never worked. Due to several reasons - Croatians never wanted to be together with Serbs, Religious differences (Catholics versus Eastern Christians), possibly geopolitical border between Western European and Eastern European values.

And those different West-East European values are the key to understand why fe Croats and Serbs or Poles and Russians will never cooperate, and this is why concept of One Slavic Commonwealth will never ever work, and never did. The imaginary geopolitics and its borders do work well.

oz
10-06-2018, 11:32 AM
Yeah it's interesting to see the Croats, Polish, Hungarians etc. have to accept the EU values nowadays lol

lukaszM
10-06-2018, 11:45 AM
Here Macedonians and Bulgars are grouped:)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Ethnic_map_of_Balkans_-_russian_1867.jpg

Tomenable
10-08-2018, 01:26 PM
It is interesting to see how Czechs Moravians and Slovaks were grouped into one ethnicity.

Were they?

I do not think so - the map mentions them separately. Only the exact ethnic borders between them are not shown.

On the other hand, Macedonians were already mentioned (in fact already sources from the 1500s used this name).


Here Macedonians and Bulgars are grouped

But there are sources from as far back as the 16th century (1500s) and 17th century which mention them separately.

Volat
10-09-2018, 11:48 AM
A large collection of historic maps . Mostly eastern & central Europe : http://www.karty.by/
For example . Map of ethnicities from Paris (1879) showing northern and southern Slavs. Western and eastern Slavs are labeled as northern Slavs: http://www.karty.by/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/1879_nation_europe.jpg

martinmkp
10-15-2018, 08:33 AM
Were they?

I would say they are mentioned as one ethnicity and three geographic regions (Czechs, Moravians, Slovaks). Still, (South) Eastern Moravians were classified ethnically at the beginning of 20th Century as Slovaks ("Moravske Slovacko").

Sikeliot
10-15-2018, 11:44 AM
Well this explains the genetics of northern Greece, they're more or less Hellenized Macedonians and Bulgarians according to these maps.

What I find interesting about maps of Slavic Europe is that the East/West Slavs and South Slavs are entirely separated by a band of countries that are officially non-Slavic, such as Hungary, Romania, and so on.

Tomenable
11-23-2018, 11:38 PM
Well this explains the genetics of northern Greece, they're more or less Hellenized Macedonians and Bulgarians according to these maps.

What I find interesting about maps of Slavic Europe is that the East/West Slavs and South Slavs are entirely separated by a band of countries that are officially non-Slavic, such as Hungary, Romania, and so on.

Yes, also Austria and Moldova.

DMXX
11-24-2018, 01:07 AM
For those who don't understand Russian, lukasz's map shows Slavic people ("narodi Slavyanskiye") in yellow and mossy-yellow, with the other groups being non-Slavs ("narodi nye Slavyanskiye").

That traditional italicised Cyrillic style is hard to read, at least for me, so it isn't especially clear what the divisions are.

Agamemnon
11-24-2018, 01:23 AM
For those who don't understand Russian, lukasz's map shows Slavic people ("narodi Slavyanskiye") in yellow and mossy-yellow, with the other groups being non-Slavs ("narodi nye Slavyanskiye").

That traditional italicised Cyrillic style is hard to read, at least for me, so it isn't especially clear what the divisions are.

Serbians-Croatians in yellow and Bulgarians in Green.

Tomenable
11-24-2018, 07:23 AM
Here Macedonians and Bulgars are grouped

This guy distinguished Bulgarian and Slavic Macedonian languages from each other already back in the 1600s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_Megiser

See also "Introductio in Chaldaicam linguam, Syriacam, atque Armenicam, & decem alias linguas" (from 1539).

Volat
11-24-2018, 09:34 AM
Is this wanker similar to us (Belarusians, Poles of Belarus, Poles of eastern Lithuania) in terms of culture, genetic profiles? I doubt. He doesn't strike me as one.

Volat
11-24-2018, 09:42 AM
I am R1a-Z92 not to be confused with R1a-Z93. Z92 is under Z280. (Balts and eastern Slavs - Belarusians, Russians).

rothaer
11-24-2018, 11:27 AM
But Serbo-Croat concept or "South Slavic" (Jugoslavia) concept never worked. Due to several reasons - Croatians never wanted to be together with Serbs, Religious differences (Catholics versus Eastern Christians), possibly geopolitical border between Western European and Eastern European values.

And those different West-East European values are the key to understand why fe Croats and Serbs or Poles and Russians will never cooperate, and this is why concept of One Slavic Commonwealth will never ever work, and never did. The imaginary geopolitics and its borders do work well.

The ultimate cause is the border between Eastern and Western part of Roman Empire and Slavs settling on both sides. Germanics hat too, but last notable part of them east of that border left/dissolved in 567 (Gepids).

lukaszM
11-24-2018, 02:20 PM
Ok more maps which I have.

Ethnic
https://i.postimg.cc/6BGCfFTB/1931-1.gif

Religious
https://i.postimg.cc/VzBnhn9h/1931-R.gif

Labėria
11-24-2018, 03:30 PM
I would suggest you to be careful with this type of maps. These are maps that were usually drawn before major conflicts on a world scale or before peace conferences or other conferences between Great Powers such as the Berlin Congress or the Paris Peace Conference after the First World War, the map in the OP for example is of the year 1918. The intention of the authors of these maps was to promote the expansionist aspirations of various countries or Great Powers. For example, it is documented that before the Berlin Congress the famous Greek historian Paparigopulos corrupted the most important 19th century cartographer, Kiepert, because he drew maps that suited Greece and its expansionist aims. For this, a little attention.