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Syriac
10-06-2018, 09:26 PM
Must be fake and ancestry is a joke.

Iam Assyrian/Syriac and speak west syriac langued wich is a semite langued. But all test give dffrent resualt and worst of all are DNA.Land. Iam not indo european iam a real semite.

Check this:

West Eurasian 100% Central Indoeuropean 62%
Arab/Egyptian 20%
Balkan 16%
Mediterranean Islander 1.7%


Ancestry:


Middle East
50%
Range: 42%—59%

Turkey and the Caucasus
50%
Range: 50%—66%


myFTDNA:

my orgins:

Middle Eastern 88%
Jewish Diaspora 9%
Central/South Asian 2%

anicent orgins:

66% farmer
34% metal age invader

gedmatch:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle result

1 East_Med 41.45
2 West_Asian 31.91
3 West_Med 12.7
4 Red_Sea 7.76
5 South_Asian 4.55
6 North_Atlantic 1.15
7 Oceanian 0.26
8 Siberian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 2.79
2 Kurdish_Jewish 3.79
3 Iranian_Jewish 4.59
4 Georgian_Jewish 6.68
5 Armenian 8.83
6 Lebanese_Muslim 9.48
7 Syrian 11.81
8 Lebanese_Druze 12.18
9 Lebanese_Christian 12.41
10 Cyprian 13.28
11 Turkish 13.41
12 Samaritan 14.42
13 Azeri 14.55
14 Kurdish 14.7
15 Iranian 15.37
16 Jordanian 15.96
17 Palestinian 16.86
18 Tunisian_Jewish 21.19
19 Bedouin 21.56
20 Libyan_Jewish 21.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% Assyrian + 11% Lebanese_Christian 2.35
2 91.5% Assyrian + 8.5% Samaritan 2.46
3 68.7% Assyrian + 31.3% Kurdish_Jewish 2.46
4 90.7% Assyrian + 9.3% Lebanese_Druze 2.51
5 78% Assyrian + 22% Iranian_Jewish 2.58
6 93.4% Assyrian + 6.6% Cyprian 2.63
7 75.7% Kurdish_Jewish + 24.3% Armenian 2.65
8 97.7% Assyrian + 2.3% Yemenite_Jewish 2.69
9 95.9% Assyrian + 4.1% Palestinian 2.7
10 92.8% Assyrian + 7.2% Lebanese_Muslim 2.7
11 96.8% Assyrian + 3.2% Tunisian_Jewish 2.71
12 97% Assyrian + 3% Libyan_Jewish 2.71
13 97.8% Assyrian + 2.2% Algerian_Jewish 2.74
14 99% Assyrian + 1% Sardinian 2.74
15 97.8% Assyrian + 2.2% Italian_Jewish 2.74
16 96% Assyrian + 4% Syrian 2.75
17 98% Assyrian + 2% Sephardic_Jewish 2.75
18 97.3% Assyrian + 2.7% Jordanian 2.76
19 98.6% Assyrian + 1.4% Egyptian 2.76
20 98.9% Assyrian + 1.1% Saudi 2.77


I cant be indoeuropean, iam not caucsus or caucasian. Iam a semite, do this tests really work on us. Maybe semites have not take the test so data is incorrect. Iam sorry for my poor english and if i ask stupid questions.
A indoeuropean langued cant change to a semite langued just like that. Our church can track my ancestors hundreds of years back and prove we talk semite langued.


I can add i was born Istanbul but got my roots in south east Turkey. Anadol or Anatolia.

lukaszM
10-06-2018, 09:38 PM
Post K36:) I have few Syriac kits so I can compare.

Syriac
10-06-2018, 09:41 PM
K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 8.35
Armenian 14.26
Basque 1.74
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 26.97
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 2.55
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 19.68
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 7.16
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 5.21
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 13.45
West_Med 0.63

lukaszM
10-08-2018, 06:33 PM
K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 8.35
Armenian 14.26
Basque 1.74
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 26.97
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 2.55
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 19.68
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 7.16
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 5.21
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 13.45
West_Med 0.63

In my K36 nMonte there are your top pops



IQ_Chaldean
0.9191455


Assyrians
1.0036857


Iraqi_Jew
1.0249031


IQ_Syriac
1.1584880


Georgian_Jew
1.1709080


Iranian_Jew
1.1977449


Azerbeijani_Jew
1.2165638


Kurdish_Jew
1.2427411


IQ_Mandean
1.3104920


Armenians
1.3290796

Helves
10-09-2018, 05:45 AM
Must be fake and ancestry is a joke.

Iam Assyrian/Syriac and speak west syriac langued wich is a semite langued. But all test give dffrent resualt and worst of all are DNA.Land. Iam not indo european iam a real semite.

Check this:

West Eurasian 100% Central Indoeuropean 62%
Arab/Egyptian 20%
Balkan 16%
Mediterranean Islander 1.7%


Ancestry:


Middle East
50%
Range: 42%—59%

Turkey and the Caucasus
50%
Range: 50%—66%


myFTDNA:

my orgins:

Middle Eastern 88%
Jewish Diaspora 9%
Central/South Asian 2%

anicent orgins:

66% farmer
34% metal age invader

gedmatch:

Eurogenes K13 Oracle result

1 East_Med 41.45
2 West_Asian 31.91
3 West_Med 12.7
4 Red_Sea 7.76
5 South_Asian 4.55
6 North_Atlantic 1.15
7 Oceanian 0.26
8 Siberian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 2.79
2 Kurdish_Jewish 3.79
3 Iranian_Jewish 4.59
4 Georgian_Jewish 6.68
5 Armenian 8.83
6 Lebanese_Muslim 9.48
7 Syrian 11.81
8 Lebanese_Druze 12.18
9 Lebanese_Christian 12.41
10 Cyprian 13.28
11 Turkish 13.41
12 Samaritan 14.42
13 Azeri 14.55
14 Kurdish 14.7
15 Iranian 15.37
16 Jordanian 15.96
17 Palestinian 16.86
18 Tunisian_Jewish 21.19
19 Bedouin 21.56
20 Libyan_Jewish 21.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% Assyrian + 11% Lebanese_Christian 2.35
2 91.5% Assyrian + 8.5% Samaritan 2.46
3 68.7% Assyrian + 31.3% Kurdish_Jewish 2.46
4 90.7% Assyrian + 9.3% Lebanese_Druze 2.51
5 78% Assyrian + 22% Iranian_Jewish 2.58
6 93.4% Assyrian + 6.6% Cyprian 2.63
7 75.7% Kurdish_Jewish + 24.3% Armenian 2.65
8 97.7% Assyrian + 2.3% Yemenite_Jewish 2.69
9 95.9% Assyrian + 4.1% Palestinian 2.7
10 92.8% Assyrian + 7.2% Lebanese_Muslim 2.7
11 96.8% Assyrian + 3.2% Tunisian_Jewish 2.71
12 97% Assyrian + 3% Libyan_Jewish 2.71
13 97.8% Assyrian + 2.2% Algerian_Jewish 2.74
14 99% Assyrian + 1% Sardinian 2.74
15 97.8% Assyrian + 2.2% Italian_Jewish 2.74
16 96% Assyrian + 4% Syrian 2.75
17 98% Assyrian + 2% Sephardic_Jewish 2.75
18 97.3% Assyrian + 2.7% Jordanian 2.76
19 98.6% Assyrian + 1.4% Egyptian 2.76
20 98.9% Assyrian + 1.1% Saudi 2.77


I cant be indoeuropean, iam not caucsus or caucasian. Iam a semite, do this tests really work on us. Maybe semites have not take the test so data is incorrect. Iam sorry for my poor english and if i ask stupid questions.
A indoeuropean langued cant change to a semite langued just like that. Our church can track my ancestors hundreds of years back and prove we talk semite langued.


I can add i was born Istanbul but got my roots in south east Turkey. Anadol or Anatolia.

Shlomo ahuno!

From what I can see of your Gedmatch results you seem to have typical results, keep in mind that the Assyrian average on Eurogenes is made of Eastern Assyrians mostly Church of the East followers.
I wouldn't take the results from FTDNA, DNA land or Ancestry too serious since their reference populations are quite broad and mostly focused on Europeans.

I presume your family is originally from Tur Abdin? Btw nice to see some Assyrians still living in Turkey.

Syriac
10-09-2018, 07:45 AM
lukaszM, Thanks alot. Thats very strange result. I know my mom can be Chaldean or Assyrian. None dna sites have linked me to Iraq and thats kinda strange since Iraq is close to the south east Turkey. What i can see i have been linked to Jordan, Palestina, Israel, Lebanon, Syria but most to Turkey Anatolia. Your test seem to show that iam most likely Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac.

Syriac
10-09-2018, 08:00 AM
Helves, yes iam from Turabdin Anatolia. I dont live in Turkey anymore i live in Sweden. There is not many Syriac still in Turkey, you maybe heard of seyfo and that we dont got the same rights as the muslim population. Thats kinda strange when i look on mine dna, iam more turkish then most turks becuse the link alot more to Greece. Many turks seem to share the same DNA to, so they are proabally Syriac, Assyrians to. My test resultat show iam not mixed whit europeans, mongols and africans.

Are you Syriac to since you say ahuno, thats how we syriacs says. East Assyrians says Khony.

lukaszM
10-09-2018, 09:58 AM
lukaszM, Thanks alot. Thats very strange result. I know my mom can be Chaldean or Assyrian. None dna sites have linked me to Iraq and thats kinda strange since Iraq is close to the south east Turkey. What i can see i have been linked to Jordan, Palestina, Israel, Lebanon, Syria but most to Turkey Anatolia. Your test seem to show that iam most likely Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac.

This is caused by lack of Iraq academic samples. I have them from person who tested on his own those people (bought them tests in FTDNA).

Helves
10-09-2018, 10:37 AM
Helves, yes iam from Turabdin Anatolia. I dont live in Turkey anymore i live in Sweden. There is not many Syriac still in Turkey, you maybe heard of seyfo and that we dont got the same rights as the muslim population. Thats kinda strange when i look on mine dna, iam more turkish then most turks becuse the link alot more to Greece. Many turks seem to share the same DNA to, so they are proabally Syriac, Assyrians to. My test resultat show iam not mixed whit europeans, mongols and africans.

Are you Syriac to since you say ahuno, thats how we syriacs says. East Assyrians says Khony.
Yes I’m Eastern Assyrian from Northern Iraq(Chaldean Catholic), I live in Sweden though aswell.
It’s not that strange that you get Iraqi Chaldean as first match according to Lukasz averages cause we Assyrians are rather close to one and other regardless of church or region. You can use the ”one to many” option with Gedmatch and find other Assyrians that you are related to and compare their results with yours. Generally speaking I’ve noticed Tur Abdin Assyrians are slightly Levantine shifted, but it depends on the individual.

Helves
10-09-2018, 11:29 AM
This is caused by lack of Iraq academic samples. I have them from person who tested on his own those people (bought them tests in FTDNA).

Are you using all of the Iraqi Syrics from the Iraqi Projects?
These are the ones you should be using
T895098
T388981
T395401
T056096

However many Syriacs from Mosul have gotten tested, but Chaldean Catholics and Syriacs in Iraq intermix a lot so we don't know if they are "pure". Frankly I don't think you should be dividing Iraqi Assyrians by sect especially since you have so few samples, it's like creating a Catholic average and a Protestant one for Germany.

Syriac
10-09-2018, 02:21 PM
This is caused by lack of Iraq academic samples. I have them from person who tested on his own those people (bought them tests in FTDNA).

lukaszM iam very sorry for my bad english but what i meant was suprising and not strange. Do you know if there is any samples of anicent Assyrian or is it the same as modern ?

Regards

Syriac
10-09-2018, 02:33 PM
Helves, I seem to be more anatolian shifted. If you look at many of my resualts is more anatolian than middle east. That was a suprise to me becuse i know iam not armenian or hittie. Becuse we speak a semtic langued, the langued does not change from indo european to semitic just like that. I should be much more closer to jews than turks, armenians. I think that most people from anadol (anatolia) used to be syriacs. The rest of Turkey greek, balkan, gerogian and so on mix not many mongolian or turkic in Turkey.

Osman (ottoman emoire) was from Anatolia to but i dont know if he was mongol. Most mongols (tattar) got killed in Turkey a order from a patichan. He told all people that live in Turkey to kill theire neighbours that was mongol. Alot of bad things have happend in our region that why iam so facinated by the region. Its very suprising that we Syriac have mixed we other people, i mean we have seen them all from the Romans, greek, persian, mongols, france, england, usa and so on. We almost did not mix we anyone.

Syriac
10-09-2018, 02:38 PM
Are you using all of the Iraqi Syrics from the Iraqi Projects?
These are the ones you should be using
T895098
T388981
T395401
T056096

However many Syriacs from Mosul have gotten tested, but Chaldean Catholics and Syriacs in Iraq intermix a lot so we don't know if they are "pure". Frankly I don't think you should be dividing Iraqi Assyrians by sect especially since you have so few samples, it's like creating a Catholic average and a Protestant one for Germany.

Mosul Syriacs is Ashuri but belong to our church. Well its the same thing i have learned. Syriacs are Assyrians, but we from antatolia got a little diffrent look but proably its becuse they countrys we live in.

Syriac
10-09-2018, 02:38 PM
Are you using all of the Iraqi Syrics from the Iraqi Projects?
These are the ones you should be using
T895098
T388981
T395401
T056096

However many Syriacs from Mosul have gotten tested, but Chaldean Catholics and Syriacs in Iraq intermix a lot so we don't know if they are "pure". Frankly I don't think you should be dividing Iraqi Assyrians by sect especially since you have so few samples, it's like creating a Catholic average and a Protestant one for Germany.

Mosul Syriacs is Ashuri but belong to our church. Well its the same thing i have learned. Syriacs are Assyrians, but we from antatolia got a little diffrent look but proably its becuse they countrys we live in.

Helves
10-09-2018, 03:05 PM
Helves, I seem to be more anatolian shifted. If you look at many of my resualts is more anatolian than middle east. That was a suprise to me becuse i know iam not armenian or hittie. Becuse we speak a semtic langued, the langued does not change from indo european to semitic just like that. I should be much more closer to jews than turks, armenians. I think that most people from anadol (anatolia) used to be syriacs. The rest of Turkey greek, balkan, gerogian and so on mix not many mongolian or turkic in Turkey.

Osman (ottoman emoire) was from Anatolia to but i dont know if he was mongol. Most mongols (tattar) got killed in Turkey a order from a patichan. He told all people that live in Turkey to kill theire neighbours that was mongol. Alot of bad things have happend in our region that why iam so facinated by the region. Its very suprising that we Syriac have mixed we other people, i mean we have seen them all from the Romans, greek, persian, mongols, france, england, usa and so on. We almost did not mix we anyone.

Like I said, FTDNA, Ancestry, DNA land etc all have very broad definitions and include a lot of different people as a reference in for same category. I get 78% Asia minor with FTDNA and I'm from Northern Iraq. Same with Myheritage, I get 80% West Asian. We are quite distinct from Anatolian Turks and Anatolian Greeks(the natives of Anatolia). And you are indeed closer to Jews than to Turks, atleast to Eastern Mizrahi Jews. Your Eurogenes K13 results:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Assyrian 2.79
2 Kurdish_Jewish 3.79
3 Iranian_Jewish 4.59
4 Georgian_Jewish 6.68
5 Armenian 8.83
6 Lebanese_Muslim 9.48
7 Syrian 11.81
8 Lebanese_Druze 12.18
9 Lebanese_Christian 12.41
10 Cyprian 13.28
11 Turkish 13.41
12 Samaritan 14.42
13 Azeri 14.55
14 Kurdish 14.7
15 Iranian 15.37
16 Jordanian 15.96
17 Palestinian 16.86
18 Tunisian_Jewish 21.19
19 Bedouin 21.56
20 Libyan_Jewish 21.87

Mosul Syriacs is Ashuri but belong to our church. Well its the same thing i have learned. Syriacs are Assyrians, but we from antatolia got a little diffrent look but proably its becuse they countrys we live in.
Yes, but they converted from Nestorianism to Syriac Orthodoxy in the 6-7th centuries, other than that they are closer and have had much more contact with the Nestorian/Chaldean Catholics of the area.