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MitchellSince1893
07-24-2014, 10:27 PM
I am a genetic distance of 17 out of 67 from him. Thought I would be closer!

Curtis
I'm 25 out of 67 from EHBHA. But that's not surprising as we are on 2 difference branches of Z150/Z12222 that split 3 or 4 thousand years ago (based on assumed SNP mutation rates).

Stephen Brace, the only other soul on my Z150/Z1222 branch is a GD of 15 or 23 depending on whether you use the infinite or hybrid mode, on http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html

Y-Utility's MRCA is estimated to be 1500 years ago for Brace and I.

Maybe our shared ancestor was battling those heathen Anglo-Saxons as they pushed west across England :D (While I'm probably U152 Briton on the Y-dna side, I'm pretty much Anglo-Saxon on the autosomal side).

Then again STR MRCA estimates that far back are dubious. Our MRCA could just as well been a La Tene or Bell Beaker fellow. Based on the fact that we don't share any SNPs below the 6 shown on the FTDNA U152 site, I'd say Bell Beaker time frame is more likely for a MRCA with Brace.

Sorry for the tangent...

glamberson
07-26-2014, 01:11 PM
Yes I thought both of you would be closer as well. I wasn't aware of the MRCA estimate of 3-4 thousand years for Z150. That just tells me there is a lot more development to do in this branch of the tree.

MitchellSince1893
07-26-2014, 06:48 PM
Yes I thought both of you would be closer as well. I wasn't aware of the MRCA estimate of 3-4 thousand years for Z150. That just tells me there is a lot more development to do in this branch of the tree.

It may be older than that. In my previous post about 3-4 thousand years I was going off memory, but I went back and looked at a couple of posts a few months ago where I did exercises using SNP mutation rates...Z150 age ranges from 4400 to 5800 years ago.

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2420-SNP-based-TMRCAs-for-R1b-U106-and-subclades&p=38641&viewfull=1#post38641
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2420-SNP-based-TMRCAs-for-R1b-U106-and-subclades&p=38755&viewfull=1#post38755

These ages are just "experiments" and should not in any way be taken as authoritative...instead I would treat them as conjecture using available resources.

Having said that I would add that the 5 individuals on my sub branch of Z150 are geographically spread from Valencia, Spain (1 sample), to the Netherlands (2 samples), and to England (2 samples). It may indicative of an old, e.g. Bell Beaker, origin.

mafe
09-12-2014, 07:01 PM
Any news regarding the recent U152 Big-Y batches? I know of at least one U152*who has ordered Big-Y during the recent sale.

Alessio B. Bedini
09-12-2014, 08:26 PM
In the recent sale, batch was 586 and the results are expected for October 30.
I know another two L2+ (Z367- Z49-) ordered BIG-Y with me

R.Rocca
09-12-2014, 10:00 PM
These are the U152+ samples that are awaiting Big-Y results, with the last two awaiting Full Genomes results...

263910 L2+ Antanas Liutkevicius, b.1880, Ambručiai, Lithuania
N28331 L2+ Stefan Cognevich, b.1812, Herceg Novi, Montenegro
130589 L2+ Edward Lincoln, b.c. 1580, Norfolk, England
211630 L2+ 6707762+ 8126625+ 6400194 et al.+ 13666876+ James Alexander Vance Sr d. 1821 SC
19733 L2+ DF110+ 17983816+ 17508781 et al.+ L196+ Josiah Barton m Catherine, b c1689 Lancashire
B3593 L2+ FGC10543+ FGC10536+ FGC10516+ Simeone Simonetti de Simon ~1655, ZoppŔ di Cadore, Belluno, Italy
N41960 L2+ FGC4183/S14469+ via BritainsDNA testing Isaac Elliot (b.1773, Lariston, Scotland)
213590 L2+ Z367+ L20+ Frank Hastings, 1912 - 1962
131330 L2+ Z367+ L20+ Z383+ Z291- Jean Drouillard 1666 Marennes, France
61922 L2+ Z367+ Z259+ Z34+ Z276+ Z35+ Z275- Non-paternal event
11208 L2+ Z367+ Z34+ CTS9044+ Isaac Maitlen b 1781 Sussex Co., VA
88594 L2+ Z49- Z367- Joos Vermaete, 1630-1690, Meulebeke, Belgium
284610 L2+ Z49- Z367- DF103- DF90- DF110- Pandolfo Guidi (Bedini), b.~1515, Ostra Vetere, Italy
202156 L2+ Z49- Z367- DF103- DF90- DF110- FGC10543- Johannes Serkveson SŠve 1600-1676 Voss, HRD
B3002 L2+ Z49- Z367- DF103- DF90- DF110- FGC10543- Martin Burkart b.1590 d.1664, BŘhl, Baden, Germany
184305 L2+ Z49- Z367- DF103- FGC10543- Biasio Pazia (Fiaschi), b. ~1390, Viterbo, Italy
N55642 L2+ Z49+ Z142- Ludwig Gottlieb Bruns, Leipzig, Germany
240232 L2+ Z49+ S8183+ Stephen Barry, b. ca. 1780, Barryroe,Cork, Ireland
64890 L2+ Z49+ Z142- Wojciech Dyrek, b. 1900, Lacko, Poland
203575 L2+ Z49+ Z142+ L562- Edgar Fay, b.c. 1873, USA
250757 L2+ Z49+ Z150+ John C. Ward, b.1790, Woodhouse, Sheffield, UK
180858 PF6658+ Z193+ Z192+ PF6652+ Z194/CTS11874+ John Crosier m. 1735/36 Boston, Ma.
160144 U152* CTS7193+ Matthew Cantwell b.c. 1773, Cecil Co, MD W:Mary Pu
B6821 U152+ Michael McCarthy b 1807 Mohanagh Aghadown COR
268283 U152+ Horatio Sylvanus Roberts 1822London-1910Sydney NSW
236956 U152+ L2- Baudier surname, Marby, France
66669 U152+ L2- Z36- Z56- Steven Rikegem, 1350-1400 Ruiselede, West Flanders
285324 U152+ L2- Z36- Z56- Boucher Jehan (Chaix)>Cathelin-1618>Jean-1650
23943 U152+ L2- Z36? Z192? Ignatious Butler b. Oct. 2, 1755, d.1810, WV, USA
315246 Z36+ Adopted
N17830 Z36+ Andreas Staudt b.1681, Schweinheim-Aschaffenburg
34105 Z56+ Jean Jaque Maillard, 1720? Vaud, Switzerland

199087 7Z8F5 L2+ Z49- Z367- Robert Wheaton, b.1606 prob. Devon or Somerset, England
N113299 744LV L2+ Z49- Z367- Michel Viaud, b.1645, Ozillac, France

MitchellSince1893
09-13-2014, 03:15 AM
I eagerly await the results...especially these 3:
130589 L2+ Edward Lincoln, b.c. 1580, Norfolk, England
203575 L2+ Z49+ Z142+ L562- Edgar Fay, b.c. 1873, USA
250757 L2+ Z49+ Z150+ John C. Ward, b.1790, Woodhouse, Sheffield, UK

The first one on the off chance Abraham Lincoln and I share a recent paternal line and the last 2 because they are on my Z142+ branch

lamahorse
09-25-2014, 09:57 AM
B6821 U152+ Michael McCarthy b 1807 Mohanagh Aghadown COR

That's me alright.

Any idea how long one has to wait in this '1-2 weeks' pending limbo? It's been nearly 2 months since I've been told it's literally around the corner.

There are only 4/5 U152+ McCarthys in the McCarthy study. Besides myself, the three other fellows are assumed U152+ because they are all descended from the same man. Those McCarthys have been in the US for as long as they can trace and my side doesn't seem to have left these islands within more recent times.

The old myth about the populating of Ireland says that invaders from Spain called the Melesians conquered Ireland in prehistory. There are many ways it might have got here but all are impossible to prove. Ancient Melesians sounds a more impressive thing to tell friends over a few jars over stranded Spanish Armada sailors, Norman conquerors, Roman Traders or a prehistory game of hide and seek that went catastrophically wrong for the hider.

Villicus
09-25-2014, 11:44 PM
I'm in batch 585, 34105 Z56+ Jean Jaque Maillard, 1720? Vaud, Switzerland. Got an email today requesting permission to share my results with NCBI. I guess it's getting close.

Petr
09-27-2014, 01:46 PM
I'm still waiting for results of 2 BigY tests in batch 577 and 2 tests in batch 578...

Kwheaton
09-28-2014, 06:35 PM
FGC Batch 10 7Z8F5 L2+ Z49- Z367- (FTDNA Kit 199087) expected by end of October.:)

R.Rocca
10-10-2014, 01:04 PM
In the recent sale, batch was 586 and the results are expected for October 30.
I know another two L2+ (Z367- Z49-) ordered BIG-Y with me

Alessio, congratulations, you match on the following four SNPs with 1000 Genomes Project sample no. HG01941, from Lima, Peru.

7664023(C/T), 14144251(C/G), 14311608(G/A), 23531255(G/A)

Alessio B. Bedini
10-11-2014, 06:42 AM
Thanks again Richard
Now we need to wait for the result of others who have test ​​Big-Y to better understand our genetic link. I am very confident.

In my results I have 107 variants of novel SNPs and 90 are of high confidence.
It is important that at least these SNP 7664023 (C / T), 14144251 (C / G), 14311608 (G / A), 23531255 (G / A) will be available in the a la carte menu of FTDNA.
I have identified at least 7-8 other users who may take the test for these SNPs.
What to do?
See you soon
Alessio

R.Rocca
10-11-2014, 01:14 PM
Thanks again Richard
Now we need to wait for the result of others who have test ​​Big-Y to better understand our genetic link. I am very confident.

In my results I have 107 variants of novel SNPs and 90 are of high confidence.
It is important that at least these SNP 7664023 (C / T), 14144251 (C / G), 14311608 (G / A), 23531255 (G / A) will be available in the a la carte menu of FTDNA.
I have identified at least 7-8 other users who may take the test for these SNPs.
What to do?
See you soon
Alessio

Indeed Alessio, the value in the match is not really in the location of the 1KG sample, but the SNPs themselves. Hopefully you'll match with some of the other pending kits and then we'll know which SNPs to request to FTDNA.

Alessio B. Bedini
10-14-2014, 08:30 AM
I share 54 novel variants with GailT and 52 with Simonetti.
We should understand if some of these may be a SNP that is located between L2 and DF103.

Likewise, I share 58 novel variants with the descendant of Edward Vance (6707762/8126625) and 55 with Biloo (DF90).

It would be interesting if DF90, DF103 and 6707762/8126625 descended from a single SNP downstream of L2.

R.Rocca
10-14-2014, 03:18 PM
I share 54 novel variants with GailT and 52 with Simonetti.
We should understand if some of these may be a SNP that is located between L2 and DF103.

Likewise, I share 58 novel variants with the descendant of Edward Vance (6707762/8126625) and 55 with Biloo (DF90).

It would be interesting if DF90, DF103 and 6707762/8126625 descended from a single SNP downstream of L2.

Most "novel variants" are just SNPs that FTDNA did not know about before they started reporting Big-Y results. Almost all of these exist across all haplogroups and are not to be trusted. The tree I built takes into account only the SNPs that make sense from a phylogenetic perspective.

kw5368
10-15-2014, 12:47 AM
I eagerly await the results...especially these 3:
130589 L2+ Edward Lincoln, b.c. 1580, Norfolk, England
203575 L2+ Z49+ Z142+ L562- Edgar Fay, b.c. 1873, USA
250757 L2+ Z49+ Z150+ John C. Ward, b.1790, Woodhouse, Sheffield, UK

The first one on the off chance Abraham Lincoln and I share a recent paternal line and the last 2 because they are on my Z142+ branch

Hello MitchellSince1893,

My ancestor is also John C. Ward and I am waiting for my y111 results. This is my first yDNA testing, although I have uploaded my 23andme results to FTDNA. I guess we'll see if I'm in your branch.

MitchellSince1893
10-15-2014, 03:45 AM
Hello MitchellSince1893,

My ancestor is also John C. Ward and I am waiting for my y111 results. This is my first yDNA testing, although I have uploaded my 23andme results to FTDNA. I guess we'll see if I'm in your branch.

Hi Kw5368,

There are currently 4 branches of Z150/Z12222 shown on the FTDNA U152 project page: CTS9490, FGC123XX, L654, and L552/L553.

I see that John Ward has been placed in the L654 branch on the FTDNA U152 project ...so we aren't in the same branch :( I'm in the FGC123XX branch.

Regardless, welcome to the forum and the Z150 family :)

MitchellSince1893
10-15-2014, 04:04 AM
I eagerly await the results...especially these 3:
130589 L2+ Edward Lincoln, b.c. 1580, Norfolk, England
203575 L2+ Z49+ Z142+ L562- Edgar Fay, b.c. 1873, USA
250757 L2+ Z49+ Z150+ John C. Ward, b.1790, Woodhouse, Sheffield, UK

The first one on the off chance Abraham Lincoln and I share a recent paternal line and the last 2 because they are on my Z142+ branch
Update:
Edgar Fay is showing up on the CTS9490 branch of Z150
John Ward is on the L654 branch of Z150.

C'mon Abe Lincoln! :D

FWIW: Edward Lincoln is a 12 marker match with me, and GD of 3 at 25 markers, and 7 at 37 markers; with some off modal matches.

But as many of us R1b types are aware, STR similarities often prove to be negative for SNP matches.

kw5368
10-15-2014, 02:35 PM
Hi Kw5368,

There are currently 4 branches of Z150/Z12222 shown on the FTDNA U152 project page: CTS9490, FGC123XX, L654, and L552/L553.

I see that John Ward has been placed in the L654 branch on the FTDNA U152 project ...so we aren't in the same branch :( I'm in the FGC123XX branch.

Regardless, welcome to the forum and the Z150 family :)

Thanks for the welcome. I am anxious to see if I'm in the George Ward line or the Francois Hebert line. Whoever owns kit 250757 shows John Ward coming from Woodhouse, Yorkshire, but I have not been able to find any proof of that.

I am getting way off topic here and I will end with that.

Alessio B. Bedini
10-23-2014, 06:46 AM
I'm seeing that some L2+, when tested BIG-Y still have not found SNPs in the valley and are then L2**.
So I was lucky to have found some SNPs
Unfortunately, for now it is useless because I'm alone in my group
Waiting for the results of the other kit is unnerving...

MitchellSince1893
10-23-2014, 11:50 AM
...I'm alone in my group
Waiting for the results of the other kit is unnerving...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22i_gqAf_o :D

I was there too for a few weeks but now I have one other on my branch. Hopefully your wait won't be too long.

R.Rocca
10-23-2014, 12:46 PM
Update:
Edgar Fay is showing up on the CTS9490 branch of Z150
John Ward is on the L654 branch of Z150.

C'mon Abe Lincoln! :D

FWIW: Edward Lincoln is a 12 marker match with me, and GD of 3 at 25 markers, and 7 at 37 markers; with some off modal matches.

But as many of us R1b types are aware, STR similarities often prove to be negative for SNP matches.

Unfortunately the Lincoln Z49 test failed QA several times, so they are re-running it with a new procedure. It is likely we will have his Big-Y results before his Z49 result!

lamahorse
10-29-2014, 01:24 AM
Kit B6821 still waiting for results.

Batch 576. Been saying 'Expected 1-2 weeks' for almost three months now.

There are a few U152 candidates in my immediate grouping. Five guys who share the same paternal ancestor who have 6-7 genetic distance to me at 67 markers. Only one has tested for U152 but since they all trace from the same man, they'd be U152.

One has his Big Y results in already. When my results come in, can we more accurately predict our statistical recent ancestry?

Edit: Found hypothetical relatives results on the project.

Il PapÓ
10-30-2014, 10:43 AM
Just got my BIG Y result :D ...
































Still U152* :pout:


edit: it seems i'm Z43+

Il PapÓ
10-30-2014, 01:36 PM
How i'm supposed to know which snps correspond to 22087296, S1523/18785855/21046292 and 9029206 ?

mafe
10-30-2014, 02:20 PM
Are these in your novel variants list?

S1523 = 14652442

Il PapÓ
10-30-2014, 02:32 PM
Are these in your novel variants list?

S1523 = 14652442

Nope

"No matching records found"

mafe
10-30-2014, 02:34 PM
Nope

"No matching records found"

Do Z56 / Z42 / Z43 show up in your known variants list (derived)?

Il PapÓ
10-30-2014, 02:44 PM
Do Z56 / Z42 / Z43 show up in your known variants list (derived)?
Yes but only Z43 .Z56 doesn't appear even when I choose show all on every option.

mafe
10-30-2014, 02:47 PM
Yes but only Z43 .Z56 doesn't appear even when I choose show all on every option.

Oh yeah that's right Z56 doesn't show, do you have a derived value for PF6601?

Il PapÓ
10-30-2014, 02:50 PM
Oh yeah that's right Z56 doesn't show, do you have a derived value for PF6601?

Just a question mark ,confidence:unknow

mafe
10-30-2014, 02:54 PM
Just a question mark ,confidence:unknow

..same for me! Looks like this is a case for Richard R.

R.Rocca
10-30-2014, 03:41 PM
Just got my BIG Y result :D ...

Still U152* :pout:

edit: it seems i'm Z43+

Il PapÓ, congratulations on your results.

You are indeed Z56+ and share the following five SNPs with a Z56+ individual from the Francalacci study from Sardinia:

7959751(G/C), 9390856(T/G), 9423221(T/C), 17948609(T/C), 19279266(C/G)

Solothurn
10-30-2014, 04:01 PM
Il PapÓ, congratulations :)


Just a question mark ,confidence:unknow

Diana
10-30-2014, 08:33 PM
Hello everyone!

Congrats on your results.
Il PapÓ, congratulations on your results.

You are indeed Z56+ and share the following five SNPs with a Z56+ individual from the Francalacci study from Sardinia:

7959751(G/C), 9390856(T/G), 9423221(T/C), 17948609(T/C), 19279266(C/G)

Il PapÓ
10-31-2014, 03:09 PM
Il PapÓ, congratulations on your results.

You are indeed Z56+ and share the following five SNPs with a Z56+ individual from the Francalacci study from Sardinia:

7959751(G/C), 9390856(T/G), 9423221(T/C), 17948609(T/C), 19279266(C/G)

Thanks a lot Richard, What do you think is the possible connection between me and this sardinian guy ? Roman connection or more ancient connection ?

Also on the U152 project I'm still classified as "Z4 U152 (L2-, Please order dys492 or Geno 2.0 or BigY)" even after I did the geno 2 test 1 year ago, how's that ?

Diana
10-31-2014, 05:46 PM
Are you a straight Z56 or a subclade underneath?
Thanks a lot Richard, What do you think is the possible connection between me and this sardinian guy ? Roman connection or more ancient connection ?

Also on the U152 project I'm still classified as "Z4 U152 (L2-, Please order dys492 or Geno 2.0 or BigY)" even after I did the geno 2 test 1 year ago, how's that ?

R.Rocca
10-31-2014, 06:23 PM
Thanks a lot Richard, What do you think is the possible connection between me and this sardinian guy ? Roman connection or more ancient connection ?

Also on the U152 project I'm still classified as "Z4 U152 (L2-, Please order dys492 or Geno 2.0 or BigY)" even after I did the geno 2 test 1 year ago, how's that ?

I think it is too early to tell, although I think five SNPs still is a long time ago.

We will put you in a new group, hopefully this weekend.

R.Rocca
10-31-2014, 06:25 PM
Are you a straight Z56 or a subclade underneath?

Diana, he is in a new subclade directly below Z56.

Villicus
11-01-2014, 08:03 PM
Richard, is there anything else I could test for at this point that would be helpful for the community and myself?

Il PapÓ
11-02-2014, 01:28 AM
I think it is too early to tell, although I think five SNPs still is a long time ago.

We will put you in a new group, hopefully this weekend.

Thanks again ,I have 2 more questions .

I have YSC0001374 which is part of the 30 thousand knows snps of the Y-tree marked as not derived while all my matches on BIG-Y have the derived value even the non U152 one.Is it an error of sequencing from the ship or is it a real back mutation due to an extreme "lucky" hazard ?

Second question is whenever I send a request to ftdna (to have access to my BIG-Y BAM file) and click to submit,it just scroll automatically on the top of the page.So I don't know if I send them a request or not.I haven't got any confirmation of some sort,is it normal or it's a bug and nothing was send ? (didn't try in other internet navigator than chrome)

edit:I also have a third question,Where did you find the Data about the sardinian Guys and how did you manage to compare them to me? Is it incorporated in the FTDNA database ?

R.Rocca
11-02-2014, 02:07 PM
Thanks again ,I have 2 more questions .

I have YSC0001374 which is part of the 30 thousand knows snps of the Y-tree marked as not derived while all my matches on BIG-Y have the derived value even the non U152 one.Is it an error of sequencing from the ship or is it a real back mutation due to an extreme "lucky" hazard ?

Second question is whenever I send a request to ftdna (to have access to my BIG-Y BAM file) and click to submit,it just scroll automatically on the top of the page.So I don't know if I send them a request or not.I haven't got any confirmation of some sort,is it normal or it's a bug and nothing was send ? (didn't try in other internet navigator than chrome)

edit:I also have a third question,Where did you find the Data about the sardinian Guys and how did you manage to compare them to me? Is it incorporated in the FTDNA database ?

1. U152 is very stable, so any matches with non-U152 is just because they are comparing known SNPs which appear across many haplogroups. These are false matches.
2. In your "BAM Results" page, there is now a button called "Download Raw Data". From there, you can download the BAM file. FTDNA no longer send the files. If you are using Chrome, the file should show up at the bottom of the page while it is downloading, but it may take hours. When finished, it will be in your "Downloads" folder.
3. Dr. Francalacci sent the data to me and said I can share it with the members of the project...but just for U152 as another paper will be published at some point for the entire dataset.

Il PapÓ
11-02-2014, 02:56 PM
1. U152 is very stable, so any matches with non-U152 is just because they are comparing known SNPs which appear across many haplogroups. These are false matches.
2. In your "BAM Results" page, there is now a button called "Download Raw Data". From there, you can download the BAM file. FTDNA no longer send the files. If you are using Chrome, the file should show up at the bottom of the page while it is downloading, but it may take hours. When finished, it will be in your "Downloads" folder.
3. Dr. Francalacci sent the data to me and said I can share it with the members of the project...but just for U152 as another paper will be published at some point for the entire dataset.

1/Yeah I already know that ,you didn't understand my question, YSC0001374 is supposed to be derived for all U152 and certainly all R1b but I Have the underived version,How's that ?
2/When I click on Download my raw data,it's only VCF file ,I don't have access to my bam file(see the attachement).


2848

R.Rocca
11-02-2014, 04:04 PM
1/Yeah I already know that ,you didn't understand my question, YSC0001374 is supposed to be derived for all U152 and certainly all R1b but I Have the underived version,How's that ?
2/When I click on Download my raw data,it's only VCF file ,I don't have access to my bam file(see the attachement).


2848

1. Yes you are correct, then yours must be a back mutation. Either way, by definition, most back mutations are in positions that are less stable.
2. If that is the case, you will need to contact FTDNA to see what the problem is with your access. As an administrator, we do not have access to BAM files.

Bolgeris
11-02-2014, 07:34 PM
New results from L20+ CTS9733- ................

Hurray!

Big news in L20+ CTS9733-..... there is a new subclade..

From U152 Ftdna project

U152> L2> Z258/Z367/Z384> L20/Z383/CTS1939/PF129> CTS9733=C(back mutation)> 7702178 et al.

surname Bolgeri - Drouillard..


Thanks to Richard Rocca U152 Ftdna project.

that discover new SNP subclade

7702178(G/A), 9882218(G/A), 14543554(A/T), 14590597(T/C), 18684555(C/G), 21605188(A/G), 23301577(T/C), 23758887(C/T)

http://www.r1b.org/imgs/FTDNA_U152_Project_Tree.png

N.B.
GD between Drouillard / Bolgeri 25 or 27 or 23 !


131330 Jean Drouillard 1666 Marennes, France France R-L20 25 27 23
154083 Bolgeri 1900 Italy R-L20 25 12 11
N9198 Pietro Pio Bolgeri, 1670, Civenna, Lombardy, ITALY Italy R-L20 27 12 11
183488 Mario James Belgeri Italy R-L20 23 11 11

What do you think.. . about...


With Big Y were found in me Belgieri, 58 novel SNPs of which 8 accetable quality and 19 best quality .. so 30 were ambiguous quality and 1 low quality.

Of the 19 + 8 = 27 SNPs of good or acceptable quality I .. Belgieri and Mr. Drouillard (French Canadian) we have in common 8 (5 of best quality and 3 accetable quality). ¨

so the time that separates us from the MRCA between Belgieri and Drouillard is 19 x 125 years = 2375 ... about..??

With 111 STR instead the average generations between Bolgeri and Drouillard is 42 ( double that Bolgeri), when it was 20 among the various branches of the Bolgeri.??

IF we assume that the common origin of the Bolgeri family.. is at least after year 1000 .. more or less coincides?! .. a common origin between Bolgeri and Drouillard ..
at the time of the Gallic invasion in Gaul Cisalpina 2500 years ago? .
or at the time of the colonization of Gaul by Roman legionnaires 2000 years ago?

I think the argument about a Lombard origin is falling ..
Easier to think that in a poor mountain valley near Como (which is the origin of my family) .. have fled the inhabitants of the plains .. when arrived the Lombards in North Italy?!?

Only hyp.

R.Rocca
11-03-2014, 01:33 AM
New results from L20+ CTS9733- ................

Hurray!

Big news in L20+ CTS9733-..... there is a new subclade..

From U152 Ftdna project

U152> L2> Z258/Z367/Z384> L20/Z383/CTS1939/PF129> CTS9733=C(back mutation)> 7702178 et al.

surname Bolgeri - Drouillard..


Thanks to Richard Rocca U152 Ftdna project.

that discover new SNP subclade

7702178(G/A), 9882218(G/A), 14543554(A/T), 14590597(T/C), 18684555(C/G), 21605188(A/G), 23301577(T/C), 23758887(C/T)

http://www.r1b.org/imgs/FTDNA_U152_Project_Tree.png

N.B.
GD between Drouillard / Bolgeri 25 or 27 or 23 !


131330 Jean Drouillard 1666 Marennes, France France R-L20 25 27 23
154083 Bolgeri 1900 Italy R-L20 25 12 11
N9198 Pietro Pio Bolgeri, 1670, Civenna, Lombardy, ITALY Italy R-L20 27 12 11
183488 Mario James Belgeri Italy R-L20 23 11 11

What do you think.. . about...


With Big Y were found in me Belgieri, 58 novel SNPs of which 8 accetable quality and 19 best quality .. so 30 were ambiguous quality and 1 low quality.

Of the 19 + 8 = 27 SNPs of good or acceptable quality I .. Belgieri and Mr. Drouillard (French Canadian) we have in common 8 (5 of best quality and 3 accetable quality). ¨

so the time that separates us from the MRCA between Belgieri and Drouillard is 19 x 125 years = 2375 ... about..??

With 111 STR instead the average generations between Bolgeri and Drouillard is 42 ( double that Bolgeri), when it was 20 among the various branches of the Bolgeri.??

IF we assume that the common origin of the Bolgeri family.. is at least after year 1000 .. more or less coincides?! .. a common origin between Bolgeri and Drouillard ..
at the time of the Gallic invasion in Gaul Cisalpina 2500 years ago? .
or at the time of the colonization of Gaul by Roman legionnaires 2000 years ago?

I think the argument about a Lombard origin is falling ..
Easier to think that in a poor mountain valley near Como (which is the origin of my family) .. have fled the inhabitants of the plains .. when arrived the Lombards in North Italy?!?

Only hyp.

Looks like the Belgeri/Bolgeri kits and the two Drouillard kits are DYS570=16 which is a couple of steps below the L20 modal.

Bolgeris
11-03-2014, 10:26 PM
You are correct..
may be some others L20+ and Dys570=16 (as kit 53946 Polhemius or 116207 de Richebourg ) should be in the same subclade.. Bolgeri/Drouillard..?!


Some GD..

9198 Pietro Pio Bolgeri, b. 1695 Italy R-L20 11 111 12 11 21 35 14 14 17 46 31 31 16 15 15 16
154083 Bolgeri 1900 Italy R-L20 12 12 111 11 19 33 10 13 15 44 29 32 17 12 12 17
183488 Mario James Belgeri Italy R-L20 11 11 11 111 18 31 13 17 17 47 33 31 15 14 15 15
216381 Jean Drouillard, 1640 - 1733 France R-L20 12 21 19 18 67 2 14 17 21 21 16 14 17 16 25 17
131330 Jean Drouillard 1666 Marennes, France France R-L20 24 35 33 31 2 111 15 18 22 42 30 28 18 18 26 18
53946 Theodor Polhemius, 1540, Niederhausen, Palatine Germany R-L20 7 14 10 13 14 15 67 11 15 15 14 15 16 8 16 16
278379 Thomas Sone bca 1520-30 Suffolk, d1572 Somerleyton England R-L20 9 14 13 17 17 18 11 67 5 5 17 16 16 14 18 16
218706 James Whitehead (1805 - 1870) England R-L20 13 17 15 17 21 22 15 5 67 0 20 20 20 17 19 20
170975 James Whitehead, 1805 - 1870 England R-L20 40 46 44 47 21 42 15 5 0 111 40 45 20 17 19 20
N90358 Edward King, Born C1792. England R-L20 25 31 29 33 16 30 14 17 20 40 111 35 21 15 21 21
185269 Unknown Unknown Origin R-L20 20 31 32 31 14 28 15 16 20 45 35 111 11 17 20 11
50851 Matthias STEPHAN, d.1675, Hirstein, Germany Germany R-L20 9 16 17 15 17 18 16 16 20 20 21 11 67 18 21 0
116207 Claude Philippe de Richebourg, b.c. 1670, France France R-L20 9 15 12 14 16 18 8 14 17 17 15 17 18 67 19 18
N31442 Antoine Laurans, 1560 France R-L20 14 15 12 15 25 26 16 18 19 19 21 20 21 19 67 21
50851 Matthias STEPHAN, d.1675, Hirstein, Germany Germany R-L20 9 16 17 15 17 18 16 16 20 20 21 11 0 18 21 67

lamahorse
11-18-2014, 02:30 PM
Still awaiting my results for my Big Y.

Is it usual to be '1/2 weeks' for almost 3 months?

randwulf
11-20-2014, 01:02 AM
I was in batch 575 at "1-2 weeks" for months and the results just came in today.

mafe
11-21-2014, 08:00 PM
I have analysed my Big-Y BAM file using the "BAM Analysis kit (v1.5)". No reported Y-STRs :(

The number of positive Y-variants has almost quadrupled compared to FTDNA :confused:

MitchellSince1893
11-21-2014, 08:06 PM
I have analysed my Big-Y BAM file using the "BAM Analysis kit (v1.5)". No reported Y-STRs :(

The number of positive Y-variants has almost quadrupled compared to FTDNA :confused:

I don't recall if you did so, but if you send your BAM file to YFULL they will give you over 300 STRs when they provide your analysis results.

mafe
11-22-2014, 10:27 AM
I don't recall if you did so, but if you send your BAM file to YFULL they will give you over 300 STRs when they provide your analysis results.

I haven't used their services yet, I'm still pondering on it.

EDIT: I just ordered Yfull interpretation, at least I think I did, no confirmation or anything :confused:

R.Rocca
11-28-2014, 01:59 PM
"Titus Valerius" has donated his $100 Big-Y coupon for a U152+ tester. This coupon expires 11/30 so please let me know asap if you'd like to take advantage of it. First come first come, first serve.

Bolgeris
12-01-2014, 10:40 PM
"Titus Valerius" has donated his $100 Big-Y coupon for a U152+ tester. This coupon expires 11/30 so please let me know asap if you'd like to take advantage of it. First come first come, first serve.

Ciao, from today i have two new U$ 100 Big Y coupon..
I should like to be donated for some L20+ or L2+ or U152+ tester..
:)

lgmayka
12-01-2014, 11:46 PM
My cousin, kit 64890 who previously tested Z49+ Z142- , just received his Big Y results.

According to YFull (http://yfull.com/tree/R1b1a2a1a2b1c/), the two subclades of Z49 are Z142 and S8183. But my cousin tested negative (again) at Z142, and he shows no novel variant at 2665967, the location of S8183. (That location was indeed covered, according to his BED file.) So he is apparently R-Z49* , unless someone knows of additional subclades under Z49.

MitchellSince1893
12-02-2014, 12:29 AM
Richard Rocca will compare your cousin's kit to other databases (e.g. 1000 genome project and the Genomes of the Netherlands project) to see if there are any shared SNPs.

When Richard compared my BigY results he ended up discovering a new branch under Z150 as I shared novel SNPs with a man from Spain and with 2 individuals from the Netherlands.

R.Rocca
12-04-2014, 12:56 PM
My cousin, kit 64890 who previously tested Z49+ Z142- , just received his Big Y results.

According to YFull (http://yfull.com/tree/R1b1a2a1a2b1c/), the two subclades of Z49 are Z142 and S8183. But my cousin tested negative (again) at Z142, and he shows no novel variant at 2665967, the location of S8183. (That location was indeed covered, according to his BED file.) So he is apparently R-Z49* , unless someone knows of additional subclades under Z49.

@lgmayka, your cousin looks like he will remain Z49* for now. I'll keep comparing his results when new samples come in.

lgmayka
12-04-2014, 02:20 PM
@lgmayka, your cousin looks like he will remain Z49* for now.
To me, that implies that his patrilineage has been in southern Poland since the initial expansion of R-Z49. Do you have an estimate of Z49's TMRCA?

haleaton
12-05-2014, 05:26 PM
Have the U152 Subclades Big Y's remaining pretty much all now completed?

haleaton
12-07-2014, 12:38 AM
Have the U152 Subclades Big Y's remaining pretty much all now completed?

Just when I was getting a little down after the bulk of Big Y's being done and the wimpy FTDNA Christmas sale, I just heard my 6 GD out 111 STR match with different surname ordered Big Y two weeks ago. Their ancestor left England to Bermuda in the 1600's and my ancestor left England for Massachusetts at the same time and have been pretty well geographically isolated.

My 12th+ Eaton cousin's with paper trail back to 1600's failed its first FGC Elite @ BGI but another sample, hopefully with a new FGC pre=Q/A, has or is being submitted for sequencing. Hopefully, we will have something interesting to report next Spring or maybe Summer.

Kwheaton
12-07-2014, 03:36 AM
Good luck Hal! The waiting tough.

haleaton
12-11-2014, 03:27 PM
The U152 and subclades FTDNA group page used to have "awaiting Big Y" samples called out. Was there a reason to stop this? I can understand they might want "Consider testing at Full Genomes" off pages they paid for, but don't understand reason. Interested in thoughts as this all evolves and the U152 question of what's next?

R.Rocca
12-17-2014, 02:55 AM
We have a couple of $100 Big-Y coupons for our U152 members. If anyone is interested, please let me know. First come first serve.

Pigmon
12-17-2014, 12:04 PM
We have a couple of $100 Big-Y coupons for our U152 members. If anyone is interested, please let me know. First come first serve.

Great! I would like to have one Rich!

Curtis

jbarry6899
12-17-2014, 12:54 PM
Two additional men in the Barry S8183 cluster have ordered BigY. This should allow for identification of private SNPs in this family branch and is in preparation for the testing or the remains of Richard Barry, 6th Earl of Barrymore, in the spring of 2015.

Jim

R.Rocca
12-17-2014, 01:45 PM
Great! I would like to have one Rich!

Curtis

Great Curtis, please send me an email and I will send you the code. My email address is on the U152 project page.

Pigmon
12-17-2014, 04:00 PM
Great Curtis, please send me an email and I will send you the code. My email address is on the U152 project page.

Thanks for the coupon! I just ordered Big-Y!

MitchellSince1893
12-17-2014, 05:27 PM
Double post.

MitchellSince1893
12-17-2014, 05:30 PM
Thanks for the coupon! I just ordered Big-Y! Woohoo! Congrats Curtis.

R.Rocca
12-17-2014, 05:53 PM
We still have a couple of unused $100 coupons for any U152 testers that still need them.

MitchellSince1893
12-29-2014, 08:26 PM
I just got a $100 off BigY coupon. Let me know if you need it.

MitchellSince1893
12-31-2014, 02:51 PM
I just got a $100 off BigY coupon. Let me know if you need it.
I hate to see this $100 coupon go unused. It expires tonight.

jbarry6899
01-07-2015, 03:02 PM
BigY results in for kit 288275, Barry, Z49+/Z142-. 92 novel SNPs; 76 shared with my kit, 240232. STR-based TMRCA 12 generations (50%; st. dev. 8-17). BAM file requested.

Jim Barry

R.Rocca
01-07-2015, 06:16 PM
BigY results in for kit 288275, Barry, Z49+/Z142-. 92 novel SNPs; 76 shared with my kit, 240232. STR-based TMRCA 12 generations (50%; st. dev. 8-17). BAM file requested.

Jim Barry

Thanks Barry. I will wait for your BAM to place your kit on the U152 project tree.

Petr
01-07-2015, 07:49 PM
My quick comparison shows the same haplogroup R-Y4356 (23883529 C/T), 20 novel variants shared by both kits, 8 unique to 240232, 10 unique to 288275. (From FTDNA data)

Bolgeris
01-08-2015, 05:56 PM
BOLGERI project new Big Y results..

Ciao,
some help please..
we are L2+ L20+ CTS9733-
and kit N9198 and 183488 in U152 project

I am Belgieri..

And all Belgeri / Belgieri /Bolgeri are ancestral from same valley/villages in North Italy - Lumbardy - vill. Civenna Barni etc.

All Bolgeri / Belgieri / Belgeri we are 11-12 GD ... 111 STR..

Today arrived the BIG Y results from other Mr.Belgeri.


Now there are 6 diff. SNP in Mr. Belgeri e not in me Belgieri

15509238
16866340
16890437
16891443
22436108
28802526

What do you think about... 600 or 900 years old MRCA?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
Black death year 1345 + 670 years ?
year 1350 was the ancestral origin of Bolgeri surname?
Our ancestor Bolgeri was the survivor of the Black death in a little village?
Hyp.

Thanks..

Petr
01-08-2015, 09:09 PM
22436108 SNP is not important, it has random values and 28802526 probably too. For others I'd check the VCF files for real difference.

Bolgeris
01-08-2015, 11:27 PM
Kit 183488 Belgeri Novel variants... 79 (75 High + 4 Medium)

6891443 C A High
18174420 G A High
18684555 C G High
19047535 T G High
19225354 G T High
19842035 G T High
19936492 T C High
19968557 G C High
21035569 T C High
21605188 A G High
21952388 T C High
22229722 T A High
22229913 C G High
22233732 C G High
22235226 C T High
22246045 C G High
22246199 G A High
22259729 T C High
22262889 A T High
22269664 C G High
22269796 T A High
22302537 C T High
22318641 A C High
22318642 G A High
22318643 A C High
22318978 T C High
22319170 A T High
22319171 G T High
22319362 A T High
22319363 T A High
22346168 A T High
22436085 T G High
22436108 G C High
22436300 A C High
22444659 A T High
23301577 T C High
23354909 A C High
23758887 C T High
23813856 A G High
24447989 A C High
24453842 G T High
2716389 G T High
28787127 G A High
28787141 C G High
28788643 G T High
28788695 T A High
28802526 A T High
7035007 A G High
7321330 A C High
7610792 T C High
7702178 G A High
7730475 C G High
8805525 A G High
9227801 A T High
9316833 A G High
9882218 G A High

22293979 C A Medium
22293981 C G Medium
22319065 T C Medium
22319066 A T Medium

Shared with Belgieri N9198 no. 73 SNP

13142597 G T High
13687378 A T High
14071348 A T High
14367269 C A High
14398980 A G High
14399063 A G High
14399074 A G High
14399077 G A High
14399105 G A High
14543554 A T High
14590597 T C High
14630334 T C High
14644698 C T High
14644742 C T High
14709276 A T High
14709277 C G High
18174420 G A High
18684555 C G High
19047535 T G High
19225354 G T High
19842035 G T High
19936492 T C High
19968557 G C High
21035569 T C High
21605188 A G High
21952388 T C High
22229722 T A High
22229913 C G High
22233732 C G High
22235226 C T High
22246045 C G High
22246199 G A High
22259729 T C High
22262889 A T High
22269664 C G High
22269796 T A High
22293979 C A Medium
22293981 C G Medium
22302537 C T High
22318641 A C High
22318642 G A High
22318643 A C High
22318978 T C High
22319065 T C Medium
22319066 A T Medium
22319170 A T High
22319171 G T High
22319362 A T High
22319363 T A High
22346168 A T High
22436085 T G High
22436300 A C High
22444659 A T High
23301577 T C High
23354909 A C High
23758887 C T High
23813856 A G High
24447989 A C High
24453842 G T High
2716389 G T High
28787127 G A High
28787141 C G High
28788643 G T High
28788695 T A High
7035007 A G High
7321330 A C High
7610792 T C High
7702178 G A High
7730475 C G High
8805525 A G High
9227801 A T High
9316833 A G High
9882218 G A High

no. 6 novel variants found in 183488 Big Y results and not in N9198 results. (N.B. 73 + 6 = 79)

15509238 T G High
16866340 T C High
16890437 A G High
16891443 C A High
22436108 G C High
28802526 A T High

no. 21 Novel variants in Belgieri N9198 and not in Belgeri 183488

13271933 T A High
13887944 C A High
14630342 T C High
14630357 T C High
15824887 A T High
16393249 T A High
16494396 T G High
16891447 C A High
19108279 G A High
21853937 T C High
22228460 C T High
22316451 C G High
22460597 C A High
23896250 A C High
26123300 C T High
2708780 C G High
9239350 T C High
9296025 G A High
9374685 G C High
9973685 T C High
9992071 A C Medium

Kit N9198 Belgieri Novel variants tot. no. 94 (88 n+ 6)

13142597 G T High
13271933 T A High
13687378 A T High
13887944 C A High
14071348 A T High
14367269 C A High
14398980 A G High
14399063 A G High
14399074 A G High
14399077 G A High
14399105 G A High
14543554 A T High
14590597 T C High
14630334 T C High
14630342 T C High
14630357 T C High
14644698 C T High
14644742 C T High
14709276 A T High
14709277 C G High
15824887 A T High
16393249 T A High
16494396 T G High
16891447 C A High
18174420 G A High
18684555 C G High
19047535 T G High
19108279 G A High
19225354 G T High
19842035 G T High
19936492 T C High
19968557 G C High
21035569 T C High
21605188 A G High
21853937 T C High
21952388 T C High
22228460 C T High
22229722 T A High
22229913 C G High
22233732 C G High
22235226 C T High
22246045 C G High
22246199 G A High
22259729 T C High
22262889 A T High
22269664 C G High
22269796 T A High
22302537 C T High
22316451 C G High
22318641 A C High
22318642 G A High
22318643 A C High
22318978 T C High
22319170 A T High
22319171 G T High
22319362 A T High
22319363 T A High
22346168 A T High
22436085 T G High
22436300 A C High
22444659 A T High
22460597 C A High
23301577 T C High
23354909 A C High
23758887 C T High
23813856 A G High
23896250 A C High
24447989 A C High
24453842 G T High
26123300 C T High
2708780 C G High
2716389 G T High
28787127 G A High
28787141 C G High
28788643 G T High
28788695 T A High
7035007 A G High
7321330 A C High
7610792 T C High
7702178 G A High
8805525 A G High
9227801 A T High
9239350 T C High
9296025 G A High
9316833 A G High
9374685 G C High
9882218 G A High
9973685 T C High

22293979 C A Medium
22293981 C G Medium
22319065 T C Medium
22319066 A T Medium
7730475 C G Medium
9992071 A C Medium

no. 21 novel variants in N9198 and not in 183488

13271933 T A High
13887944 C A High
14630342 T C High
14630357 T C High
15824887 A T High
16393249 T A High
16494396 T G High
16891447 C A High
19108279 G A High
21853937 T C High
22228460 C T High
22316451 C G High
22460597 C A High
23896250 A C High
26123300 C T High
2708780 C G High
9239350 T C High
9296025 G A High
9374685 G C High
9973685 T C High
9992071 A C Medium

no. 6 novel variants in 183488 and not in N9198

15509238 T G High
16866340 T C High
16890437 A G High
16891443 C A High
22436108 G C High
28802526 A T High

Bolgeris
01-08-2015, 11:46 PM
no. 61 novel variants shared Belgieri N9198 and Drouillard

13142597 G T High
13271933 T A High
13687378 A T High
14367269 C A High
14398980 A G High
14399063 A G High
14399074 A G High
14399077 G A High
14399105 G A High
14543554 A T High
14590597 T C High
14644698 C T High
14644742 C T High
14709276 A T High
14709277 C G High
18684555 C G High
19842035 G T High
21605188 A G High
21952388 T C High
22229722 T A High
22229913 C G High
22233732 C G High
22235226 C T High
22246045 C G High
22246199 G A High
22259729 T C High
22262889 A T High
22269664 C G High
22269796 T A High
22293981 C G Medium
22302537 C T High
22318641 A C High
22318642 G A High
22318643 A C High
22318978 T C High
22319065 T C Medium
22319066 A T Medium
22319170 A T High
22319171 G T High
22319362 A T High
22319363 T A High
22346168 A T High
22436300 A C High
22444659 A T High
23301577 T C High
23354909 A C High
23758887 C T High
24447989 A C High
24453842 G T High
28787127 G A High
28787141 C G High
28788643 G T High
28788695 T A High
7321330 A C High
7702178 G A High
8805525 A G High
9227801 A T High
9296025 G A High
9316833 A G High
9882218 G A High
9992071 A C Medium

no. 59 novel variants shared Belgeri 183488 and Drouillard (also Cts 9733-)

13142597 G T High
13687378 A T High
14367269 C A High
14398980 A G High
14399063 A G High
14399074 A G High
14399077 G A High
14399105 G A High
14543554 A T High
14590597 T C High
14644698 C T High
14644742 C T High
14709276 A T High
14709277 C G High
16891443 C A High
18684555 C G High
19842035 G T High
21605188 A G High
21952388 T C High
22229722 T A High
22229913 C G High
22233732 C G High
22235226 C T High
22246045 C G High
22246199 G A High
22259729 T C High
22262889 A T High
22269664 C G High
22269796 T A High
22293981 C G Medium
22302537 C T High
22318641 A C High
22318642 G A High
22318643 A C High
22318978 T C High
22319065 T C Medium
22319066 A T Medium
22319170 A T High
22319171 G T High
22319362 A T High
22319363 T A High
22346168 A T High
22436300 A C High
22444659 A T High
23301577 T C High
23354909 A C High
23758887 C T High
24447989 A C High
24453842 G T High
28787127 G A High
28787141 C G High
28788643 G T High
28788695 T A High
7321330 A C High
7702178 G A High
8805525 A G High
9227801 A T High
9316833 A G High
9882218 G A High

Bolgeris
01-08-2015, 11:51 PM
For Yfull i N9198 i have only 57 novel variants SNP not 94....

Name Position Reference Derived Qual
YFS185175 28740136 C A 100
YFS185174 28641373 C A 100
YFS185150 23896250 A C 100
YFS185149 23758887 C T 100
YFS185148 23301577 T C 98
YFS185147 23048322 G T 100
YFS185143 22460597 C A 78
YFS185140 22293979 C A 99
YFS185139 21853937 T C 100
YFS185138 21747787 T A 100
YFS185137 21605188 A G 100
YFS185136 21380066 C A 100
YFS185135 21035569 T C 97
YFS185125 19479106 T A 100
YFS185124 19225354 G T 100
YFS185123 19155422 G T 100
YFS185122 19108279 G A 100
YFS185118 18795700 T C 100
YFS185116 18684555 C G 100
YFS185113 18174420 G A 100
YFS185112 17785254 G T 100
YFS185111 17455821 T A 100
YFS185108 16883534 G T 100
YFS185107 16467401 C A 100
YFS185106 16393249 T A 100
YFS185104 16031346 G T 100
YFS185103 15824887 A T 100
YFS185102 15285896 C A 100
YFS185101 14689279 C A 100
YFS185099 14590597 T C 97
YFS185098 14543554 A T 100
YFS185097 14463704 C T 100
YFS185096 14135422 T A 100
YFS185095 14090816 T C 100
YFS185094 13887944 C A 100
YFS185074 9882218 G A 100
YFS185069 8178813 G T 100
YFS185068 7702178 G A 97
YFS185067 7610792 T C 96
YFS185066 7422619 C A 100
YFS185065 7144016 C A 100
YFS185064 7035007 A G 100
YFS185063 6714289 C T 100
YFS185061 5972987 G T 100
YFS185060 5635164 G T 100
YFS185059 5241667 C A 100
YFS185057 5186882 C A 100
YFS185056 5112620 C T 100
YFS185055 4841589 T C 100
YFS185054 4502462 T C 100
YFS185053 4494056 G T 100
YFS185051 4225260 G T 100
YFS185050 4176453 C A 100
YFS185049 4094856 T C 100
YFS185046 2716389 G T 99
YFS185045 2708780 C G 100
YFS185044 2708761 C T 100

Petr
01-08-2015, 11:56 PM
I meant from file variants.vcf, there are lines like

chrY 22436108 . G C 58.2694 REJECTED . GT 0/1
chrY 28802526 . A G,T 125.371 REJECTED . GT 1/2
(this is from my file)

Still not much information, but at least something. IMHO the best would be to ask for BAM file and analyze it using YFull service.

FTDNA reports many false novel SNPs.

Bolgeris
01-09-2015, 12:05 AM
I meant from file variants.vcf, there are lines like

chrY 22436108 . G C 58.2694 REJECTED . GT 0/1
chrY 28802526 . A G,T 125.371 REJECTED . GT 1/2
(this is from my file)

Still not much information, but at least something. IMHO the best would be to ask for BAM file and analyze it using YFull service.

FTDNA reports many false novel SNPs.

The no. 8 novel SNP in the subclade

That Mr. Rocca discover as new SNP subclade U152> L2> Z258,Z367,Z384> L20,Z383,CTS1939,PF129> CTS9733=C(back mutation)> 7702178 et al.

7702178(G/A), 9882218(G/A), 14543554(A/T), 14590597(T/C), 18684555(C/G), 21605188(A/G), 23301577(T/C), 23758887(C/T)

All are in the kit N9198 Belgieri and Kit 183488 Belgeri...

Hurray!

:P

MitchellSince1893
01-09-2015, 02:00 AM
For Yfull i N9198 i have only 57 novel variants SNP not 94....


For my father's kit only 20-24% of the 118 novel SNP identified by FTDNA were also identified by Yfull and/or FGC analysis. IIRC most of FTDNA's SNPs were either unstable or already named SNPs above my terminal SNP.

Petr
01-09-2015, 07:46 AM
7702178(G/A), 9882218(G/A), 14543554(A/T), 14590597(T/C), 18684555(C/G), 21605188(A/G), 23301577(T/C), 23758887(C/T)
BTW,
7702178(G/A) = FGC17185
9882218(G/A) = FGC17186
14543554(A/T) = FGC17189
14590597(T/C) = FGC17190
18684555(C/G) = FGC17194
21605188(A/G) = FGC17199
23301577(T/C) = FGC17203
23758887(C/T) = FGC17204


CTS9733=C(back mutation)
This is interesting, according to YBrowse CTS9733 (and S3856) is C->T, but according to YFull and Britains DNA it is T->C mutation.

Petr
01-09-2015, 08:11 AM
IIRC most of FTDNA's SNPs were either unstable or already named SNPs above my terminal SNP.
I have compared results of kits 249822 72367 240232 N55642 309846 64890 195364 and it looks like that FTDNA "novel" results for almost all kits contain 59 SNPs that are "positive" for all kits from R and J haplogroups, 12 unstable SNPs and several already named SNPs.

lamahorse
01-09-2015, 03:50 PM
Got confirmation from Richard that he received my BAM file. Looking forward to see our results and how we relate.

Petr, are you the same Petr who is 1 SNP difference from me on FTDNA Big Y?

Petr
01-09-2015, 08:44 PM
Yes, it's me.

Bolgeris
01-09-2015, 11:30 PM
P.S.
Of 6 novel variants for kit 183488 respects to kit N9198 only 4 are stable: 15509238 - 16866340 - 16890437 - 16891443.

Whereas only 11 novel variants of 21 are stable in kit N9198 than in kit 183488:
13887944 - 15824887 - 16393249 - 16891447 - 19108279 - 21853937 - 222284690 - 22460597 - 23896250 - 2708780 - 9973685.

MitchellSince1893
01-24-2015, 05:25 PM
...

Rich,

I saw on my BigY matches that a Z142+ individual Dean Sterwart, MRCA John Stewart's results came in but he's still shown in Z142 area of the FTDNA project page.

Is that because he's on a new branch of Z142? i.e his SNPs downstream of Z142 don't match any of the current branches?

R.Rocca
01-24-2015, 06:30 PM
Rich,

I saw on my BigY matches that a Z142+ individual Dean Sterwart, MRCA John Stewart's results came in but he's still shown in Z142 area of the FTDNA project page.

Is that because he's on a new branch of Z142? i.e his SNPs downstream of Z142 don't match any of the current branches?

Correct, no matches with any downstream samples, so he remains Z142*.

MitchellSince1893
01-27-2015, 07:22 PM
nevermind...missed rich's post above.

Bolgeris
03-07-2015, 01:26 PM
After new accurate control with Yfull ... the results:

Cluster Bolgeri / Drouillard 10 SNP differents from iberian HG01767

7702178 class. Y12489 for YFull
9882218 class. Y12494 for YFull
14543554 class. Y11786 for yfull
14590597 class. Y12486 for YFull
18684555 class. Y11787 for yfull
21605188 class. Y11788 for Yfull
23301577 class. Y12487 for YFull
23758887 class. Y12493 for YFull
4841589 class. Y12491 for YFull
14463704 class. Y12492 for YFull


Cluster "Bolgeri" (Belgeri YF02864 and Belgieri YF01754) no. 7 news SNP for YFull + 2 other SNP (Total 9 SNP?):

2716389 class. Y12490 for YFull
7035007 class. Y12485 for YFull
7610792 class. Y12488 for YFull
18174420 class. Y12495 for YFull
19047535.........YFC061718...............
19225354 class. Y12496 for YFull
21035569 class. Y12497 for YFull
22293979.........YFC071321.................
13887944 class. Y11785 for Yfull

New 5 SNP in Belgeri YF02864 and not in Belgieri YF01754:

14168233
15509238
16866340
16890437
16891443

New 11 SNP in Belgieri YF01754 and not in Belgeri YF02864:

15824887
16393249
16891447
19108279
21853937
22460597
23896250
2708780
9973685
2708761
19479106

What do you think ?

Total 10+7 or 10+ 9 SNP diff. with other iberian CTS9733: HG01767....

from YFULL total 17 new SNP.. in the cluster

Ciao.

Giuseppe Belgieri
FtDna Kit N9198
YFull kit Y01754