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Johane Derite
11-14-2018, 06:46 PM
In 2018(paper linked below) we learnt that in Italy "Balkan" EV13 and J2B2-L283 is highest in Apulia and the Po Valley, with J2B2-L283 peaking in the Piedmont region. With Apulia, these "Balkan" haplogroups can be explained by the Illyrian-Messapic relations (linguists like Matzinger have found connections between Messapic and Albanian). In antiquity south slavs were as of yet not in the balkans so these ancient "balkan" migrations are most probably Illyrians, as there is no historical record of Thracians or Dacians crossing the Adriatic.

So the Apulia connection is not so suprising, yet the Po Valley peaking in Piedmont with these "balkan" haplogroups has not sufficiently been explained or investigated. What is the archeological and linguistic side of this phenomenon? Are there "Balkan(Albanian)" linguistic features in Po Valley dialects that have as of yet not been investigated because nobody thought to look for them there? Alba Pompeia in Piedmont has any connection or just a coincidence?

What were these intrusive J2b2-L283 "Balkanites" in the Po Valley called? Is there any historical record that fits this migration?



"Reconstructing the genetic history of Italians: new insights from a male (Y-chromosome) perspective. " by V. Grugni


LINK: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03014460.2017.1409801

https://scontent.fprn1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45114752_507608039755316_7809693064728936448_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fprn1-1.fna&oh=1b86e1ea7f28704333547f6b7abcfd65&oe=5C701D47

Fatherland
11-28-2018, 11:45 PM
Illyrian garrison sent to protect the borders towards Gaul.

Falessio
07-11-2020, 03:36 PM
I stumbled upon this thread following my DNA results (Y DNA J2b2-L283). Doing research on the internet I found out these very interesting stories... my entire family has been living for centuries in Piedmont (as far as I know...) and the fact that the migration may have come from the Balkan region is extremely exciting.

I wish I could access that paper though...

Johane Derite
07-11-2020, 04:47 PM
I stumbled upon this thread following my DNA results (Y DNA J2b2-L283). Doing research on the internet I found out these very interesting stories... my entire family has been living for centuries in Piedmont (as far as I know...) and the fact that the migration may have come from the Balkan region is extremely exciting.

I wish I could access that paper though...

Here is another site where you can download the full paper (top right corner):

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322822562_Reconstructing_the_genetic_history_of_It alians_new_insights_from_a_male_Y-chromosome_perspective

Johane Derite
07-11-2020, 04:52 PM
I stumbled upon this thread following my DNA results (Y DNA J2b2-L283). Doing research on the internet I found out these very interesting stories... my entire family has been living for centuries in Piedmont (as far as I know...) and the fact that the migration may have come from the Balkan region is extremely exciting.

I wish I could access that paper though...

You should also consider doing a Y-test at higher resolution so you can pinpoint which branch of J2b-L283 you are.

These are the branches Albanians show up under:

http://www.gjenetika.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/J-L283.png

http://www.gjenetika.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/J-Z638.png

Feel free to follow the gjenetika site for updates on L283 as they have a lot of results and the admin is one of the most knowledgable on L283 out there.

For example, a new article yesterday on one specific branch, which also shows up in Italy:

http://www.gjenetika.com/j-y23094y82533/?fbclid=IwAR0xurdniRXhWJFpaFlopqUUdVBqIgX7qeu1ymTh pkLgEoAXBBev0_J9YVA