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ZephyrousMandaru
11-21-2013, 07:36 PM
My Geno 2.0 Results

Who Am I?

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Heat Map For J-Z1842

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Heat Map For U1a3

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Your Story

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First Reference Population: Georgians

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Second Reference Population: Lebanese

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Hominid Ancestry

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I highly suspect Northern European correlates partially with Atlantic_Balitc. As I register a similar percentage, due to the fact that Atlantic_Baltic has some Neolithic Mediterranean alleles in it.

ZephyrousMandaru
11-21-2013, 08:32 PM
Why are you getting more North Euro than Georgians? lol How accurate is this thing?

An even better question is, how am I registering any Northern European at all? In most other tests, my Northern European is very, very low. In the 1-3% low. My genetic distance from Georgians is great, it's 20+.

ZephyrousMandaru
11-21-2013, 09:13 PM
Yeah, that is really odd. I guess your results depend on how these "components" are defined.

That's what I'm thinking, I wonder how much overlap there is between these components.

ZephyrousMandaru
11-21-2013, 11:16 PM
Yeah, some of the components on this test (like Mediterranean) seem poorly defined and dubious.

Yeah, Mediterranean in Geno 2.0 is more like West Asian plus Southwest Asian. While Southwest Asian is more like Gedrosia + the rest of West Asian.

Sein
11-21-2013, 11:48 PM
My genetic distance from Georgians is great, it's 20+.

You have some very interesting results. Based on this, you are roughly intermediate between the average Georgian and average Lebanese sample, but closer to the average Georgian. Does this roughly match what you've seen using other tools? My results were pretty congruent with other tools, so I'm interested if others have had the same experience. My closest reference population are the North Caucasians (Daghestanis, Abkhazians, and other Caucasian populations), and my second closest reference population are the Western Indians (Gujaratis). This corresponds very well with the "2-population Approximation" results on the GEDMatch oracles. I tend to be half North Ossetian and half Gujarati on these tools, so that matches nicely with what Geno 2.0 gave me.

What fascinates me is the striking discordance between your results, and what Iranians are getting. You seem to have no East Eurasian input whatsoever, while Iranians tend to get anywhere from 6% to 13% East Eurasian (Northeast Asian+Southeast Asian).


Yeah, some of the components on this test (like Mediterranean) seem poorly defined and dubious.

Their Mediterranean component is basically a rough combination of the Caucasus-specific and Southwestern Asian-specific component we see in the "Genome Blogger" Projects. It's really a specifically Western Asian component in comparison to the other two West Eurasian components they have, with the Northern European component capturing any European specific ancestry, rather than just Northeast European ancestry (rather similar to the "Atlantic_Baltic" component), and the Southwest Asian component capturing any West Eurasian ancestry affiliated with South Asia (Gedrosia/Baloch+West Eurasian half of the "South Asian/South Indian" component). I think the reason their components look so different from the ones we see in the Genome Blogger projects is due partly, if not mainly, to their data-set. They didn't use the HGDP Pakistani populations, so the Baloch-Gedrosia component doesn't really happen. Also, the test is K=9, and most of the calculators we see are from K=12 to K=16. I'd say that also leads to a few differences.

ZephyrousMandaru
11-22-2013, 12:07 AM
You have some very interesting results. Based on this, you are roughly intermediate between the average Georgian and average Lebanese sample, but closer to the average Georgian. Does this roughly match what you've seen using other tools? My results were pretty congruent with other tools, so I'm interested if others have had the same experience. My closest reference population are the North Caucasians (Daghestanis, Abkhazians, and other Caucasian populations), and my second closest reference population are the Western Indians (Gujaratis). This corresponds very well with the "2-population Approximation" results on the GEDMatch oracles. I tend to be half North Ossetian and half Gujarati on these tools, so that matches nicely with what Geno 2.0 gave me.

What fascinates me is the striking discordance between your results, and what Iranians are getting. You seem to have no East Eurasian input whatsoever, while Iranians tend to get anywhere from 6% to 13% East Eurasian (Northeast Asian+Southeast Asian).

Thank you. Yes, it certainly appears so. However, these results, in terms the reference populations I've been matched with are inharmonious with the other tools I've used. I have used several, and in almost every single one, my top populations have always been the Mizrahim Jews (Iranian/Iraqi/Georgian/Uzbekistani/Azeri Jews), Iraqi Mandaeans (When included) followed by Armenians, Druze, Levantine Arabs, etc. Georgians were usually either not listed in the top population approximation lists, which comprised 20 populations or they were at the very bottom with a genetic distance near or at 20.




Their Mediterranean component is basically a rough combination of the Caucasus-specific and Southwestern Asian-specific component we see in the "Genome Blogger" Projects. It's really a specifically Western Asian component in comparison to the other two West Eurasian components they have, with the Northern European component capturing any European specific ancestry, rather than just Northeast European ancestry (rather similar to the "Atlantic_Baltic" component), and the Southwest Asian component capturing any West Eurasian ancestry affiliated with South Asia (Gedrosia/Baloch+West Eurasian half of the "South Asian/South Indian" component). I think the reason their components look so different from the ones we see in the Genome Blogger projects is due partly, if not mainly, to their data-set. They didn't use the HGDP Pakistani populations, so the Baloch-Gedrosia component doesn't really happen. Also, the test is K=9, and most of the calculators we see are from K=12 to K=16. I'd say that also leads to a few differences.

Yes, I figured their Northern European component may be similar to the Atlantic_Baltic component. Either that, or it's capturing some of the "Gedrosia/West_Central_Asian/Baloch" we see in other calculators. I also think Southwest Asian is a proxy for Gedrosia + some Caucasus. It's possible that some of this Gedrosia is being subsumed into the Northern European component. Which is typically found in excruciatingly low levels on other tests for me.

Sein
11-22-2013, 12:32 AM
...my top populations have always been the Mizrahim Jews (Iranian/Iraqi/Georgian/Uzbekistani/Azeri Jews), Iraqi Mandaeans (When included) followed by Armenians, Druze, Levantine Arabs, etc. Georgians were usually either not listed in the top population approximation lists, which comprised 20 populations or they were at the very bottom with a genetic distance near or at 20.

Very interesting, this means they need many more reference populations from West Asia.

ZephyrousMandaru
11-22-2013, 12:51 AM
Very interesting, this means they need many more reference populations from West Asia.

Yep, what I do like about Geno 2.0, is that their Y-DNA and mtDNA analysis is superior to 23andMe's. As well as the Heat Maps, and the ability to transfer your results to Family Tree DNA which I have.

ZephyrousMandaru
11-22-2013, 01:03 AM
Here are Dodecad V3 results, if Globe13 had an Oracle I'd use it but this will have to do for now.

# Population (source) Distance
1 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 2.46
2 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 5.64
3 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 5.85
4 Assyrian (Dodecad) 6.5
5 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 6.64
6 Druze (HGDP) 7.29
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 7.99
8 Kurd (Xing) 9.22
9 Armenian (Dodecad) 10.25
10 Kurd (Dodecad) 11.02
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 11.8
12 Turks (Behar) 12.01
13 Iranians (Behar) 13.03
14 Samaritians (Behar) 13.2
15 Lebanese (Behar) 13.84
16 Armenians_16 (Behar) 14.28
17 Iranian (Dodecad) 14.35
18 Syrians (Behar) 14.69
19 Palestinian (HGDP) 15.87
20 Jordanians_19 (Behar) 18.18

These are my top 20 populations, Georgians are not listed. Suggesting a genetic distance of 19 or more.

ZephyrousMandaru
11-22-2013, 02:24 AM
Differences Between 23andMe and Geno 2.0 Third-Party Tool ADMIXTURE Values

Dodecad V3 (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.82% East_European
4.66% West_European
22.93% Mediterranean
0.00% Neo_African
47.72% West_Asian
2.28% South_Asian
0.00% Northeast_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% East_African
21.16% Southwest_Asian
0.04% Northwest_African
0.39% Palaeo_African


Dodecad V3 (23andMe raw data)

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 45.18
2 Mediterranean 26.5
3 Southwest_Asian 18.28
4 West_European 5.11
5 South_Asian 3.31
6 Northwest_African 1.21
7 Northeast_Asian 0.28
8 Palaeo_African 0.13



Dodecad K12a (Geno 2.0 raw data)

9.22% Mediterranean
0.00% Far_Asian
0.00% Siberian
5.49% North_European
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% West_African
51.49% Caucasus
13.32% Gedrosia
0.04% East_African
20.31% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.13% Northwest_African


Dodecad K12a (23andMe raw data)

13.63% Mediterranean
0.00% Far_Asian
0.18% Siberian
3.12% North_European
0.02% South_Asian
0.00% West_African
49.20% Caucasus
14.19% Gedrosia
0.29% East_African
18.49% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.87% Northwest_African


Dodecad K12b (Geno 2.0 raw data)

17.34% Gedrosia
0.00% Siberian
0.06% Northwest_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian
6.91% Atlantic_Med
4.19% North_European
0.00% South_Asian
0.26% East_African
20.39% Southwest_Asian
0.00% East_Asian
50.85% Caucasus
0.00% Sub_Saharan

Dodecad K12b (23andMe raw data)

Population
Gedrosia 18.05%
Siberian 0.55%
Northwest_African 0.87%
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.45%
North_European 1.96%
South_Asian -
East_African 0.30%
Southwest_Asian 18.78%
East_Asian -
Caucasus 48.02%
Sub_Saharan -


WEAC (Geno 2.0 raw data)

28.45% Atlantic-Baltic
70.53% Near-East
0.94% Far-East
0.09% Africa

Dodecad WEAC (23andMe raw data)
28.92% Atlantic-Baltic
69.17% Near-East
1.75% Far-East
0.16% Africa


WEAC2 (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.59% Palaeoafrican
14.85% Atlantic_Baltic
0.00% Northeast_Asian
72.01% Near_East
0.01% Sub_Saharan
12.55% South_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian


Dodecad WEAC2 (23andMe raw data)

0.32% Palaeoafrican
15.38% Atlantic_Baltic
0.51% Northeast_Asian
72.00% Near_East
0.01% Sub_Saharan
11.79% South_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian

BAT (Geno 2.0 raw data)

21.79% Balkans
76.61% Anatolia
1.60% Turkic

BAT (23andMe raw data)
23.73% Balkans
73.73% Anatolia
2.54% Turkic

Dodecad K7b (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.78% South_Asian
51.29% West_Asian
0.00% Siberian
0.49% African
38.21% Southern
9.23% Atlantic_Baltic
0.01% East_Asian

Dodecad K7b (23andMe raw data)
Population
South_Asian 1.18%
West_Asian 48.38%
Siberian 0.40%
African 0.34%
Southern 39.30%
Atlantic_Baltic 10.39%
East_Asian -


HarappaWorld (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.31% S-Indian
14.50% Baloch
59.04% Caucasian
3.28% NE-Euro
0.00% SE-Asian
0.41% Siberian
0.00% NE-Asian
0.64% Papuan
0.00% American
0.09% Beringian
3.24% Mediterranean
18.42% SW-Asian
0.06% San
0.01% E-African
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% W-African

HarappaWorld (23andMe raw data)

S-Indian -
Baloch 16.76%
Caucasian 55.75%
NE-Euro 0.28%
SE-Asian -
Siberian 0.20%
NE-Asian -
Papuan 0.82%
American -
Beringian 0.34%
Mediterranean 8.44%
SW-Asian 17.42%
San -
E-African -
Pygmy -


Dodecad K10a (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.04% Palaeoafrican
0.06% South_Asian
54.37% West_Asian
0.01% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Sub_Saharan
1.81% Atlantic_Baltic
7.89% Red_Sea
0.00% East_Asian
35.82% Mediterranean
0.00% Siberian

Dodecad K10a (23andMe raw data)

0.13% South_Asian
52.08% West_Asian
0.05% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Sub_Saharan
1.38% Atlantic_Baltic
7.00% Red_Sea
0.01% East_Asian
38.68% Mediterranean
0.68% Siberian

Jtest (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.00% SOUTH_BALTIC
0.33% EAST_EUROPEAN
6.55% CENTRAL_EURO
0.00% ATLANTIC
4.36% WEST_MED
3.57% ASHKENAZIM
43.91% EAST_MED
29.34% WEST_ASIAN
11.55% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.38% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.00% SUB-SAHARAN

Jtest (23andMe raw data)

0.00% SOUTH_BALTIC
0.83% EAST_EURO
3.86% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
0.00% ATLANTIC
7.84% WEST_MED
3.06% ASHKENAZIM
42.89% EAST_MED
28.15% WEST_ASIAN
11.55% MIDDLE_EASTERN
1.68% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.13% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN


EUtest (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.00% SOUTH_BALTIC
0.67% EAST_EUROPEAN
6.94% CENTRAL_EURO
0.00% ATLANTIC
4.87% WEST_MED
45.06% EAST_MED
29.90% WEST_ASIAN
12.15% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.41% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.00% SUB-SAHARAN

EUtest (23andMe raw data)

0.00% SOUTH_BALTIC
1.13% EAST_EURO
4.20% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
0.02% ATLANTIC
8.26% WEST_MED
43.79% EAST_MED
28.60% WEST_ASIAN
12.13% MIDDLE_EASTERN
1.73% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.13% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN


MDLP K=27 (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.00% Nilotic-Omotic
1.04% Ancestral-South-Indi
2.99% North-European-Balti
0.87% Uralic
0.00% Australo-Melanesian
0.00% East-Siberean
0.00% Ancestral-Yayoi
43.30% Caucasian-Near-Easte
0.36% Tibeto-Burman
0.01% Austronesian
0.00% Central-African-Pygm
0.55% Central-African-Hunt
0.00% Nilo-Saharian
0.00% North-African
25.87% Gedrosia-Caucasian
1.14% Cushitic
0.00% Congo-Pygmean
0.70% Bushmen
0.00% South-Meso-Amerindia
4.51% South-West-European
0.00% North-Amerindian
15.83% Arabic
0.70% North-Circumpolar
1.78% Kalash
0.34% Papuan-Australian
0.00% Baltic-Finnic
0.00% Bantu

MDLP K=27 (23andMe raw data)

0.57% Nilotic-Omotic
0.70% Ancestral-South-Indian
0.44% North-European-Baltic
1.02% Uralic
0.27% Australo-Melanesian
0.06% East-Siberean
0.00% Ancestral-Yayoi
40.62% Caucasian-Near-Eastern
0.00% Tibeto-Burman
0.00% Austronesian
0.00% Central-African-Pygmean
0.03% Central-African-Hunter
0.00% Nilo-Saharian
2.14% North-African
26.21% Gedrosia-Caucasian
3.25% Cushitic
0.00% Congo-Pygmean
0.00% Bushmen
0.00% South-Meso-Amerindia
8.36% South-West-European
0.00% North-Amerindian
13.57% Arabic
0.00% North-Circumpolar
2.09% Kalash
0.67% Papuan-Australian
0.00% Baltic-Finnic
0.00% Bantu

Euro7 (Geno 2.0 raw data)

35.96% Caucasus
2.77% Northwestern
1.32% Northeastern
45.25% Southeastern
1.58% African
0.02% Far_Asian
13.10% Southwestern

Euro7 (23andMe raw data)

34.46% Caucasus
5.48% Northwestern
0.16% Northeastern
44.33% Southeastern
0.78% African
1.32% Far_Asian
13.48% Southwestern


Dodecad Eurasia7 (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.29% Sub_Saharan
58.13% West_Asian
8.31% Atlantic_Baltic
0.02% East_Asian
30.70% Southern
2.56% South_Asian
0.00% Siberian

ZephyrousMandaru
11-22-2013, 02:25 AM
Dodecad Eurasia7 (23andMe raw data)

0.23% Sub_Saharan
55.26% West_Asian
9.43% Atlantic_Baltic
0.02% East_Asian
32.04% Southern
2.71% South_Asian
0.31% Siberian


Globe4 (Geno 2.0 raw data)

91.62% European
5.32% Asian
3.06% African
0.00% Amerindian

Globe4 Admixture Results (23andMe raw data)

92.69% European
5.38% Asian
1.93% African
0.01% Amerindian


Globe10 (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.00% Amerindian
56.94% West_Asian
0.84% Australasian
0.46% Palaeo_African
0.07% Neo_African
0.00% Siberian
34.99% Southern
0.21% East_Asian
6.48% Atlantic_Baltic
0.01% South_Asian

Globe10 (23andMe raw data)

0.00% Amerindian
55.29% West_Asian
0.84% Australasian
0.27% Palaeo_African
0.00% Neo_African
0.29% Siberian
35.59% Southern
0.01% East_Asian
7.56% Atlantic_Baltic
0.14% South_Asian


Globe13 (Geno 2.0 raw data)

0.00% Siberian
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% West_African
0.41% Palaeo_African
26.98% Southwest_Asian
0.27% East_Asian
24.27% Mediterranean
0.73% Australasian
0.00% Arctic
47.29% West_Asian
0.05% North_European
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% East_African

Globe13 (23andMe raw data)

0.02% Siberian
0.00% Amerindian
0.00% West_African
0.26% Palaeo_African
24.50% Southwest_Asian
0.00% East_Asian
27.47% Mediterranean
0.71% Australasian
0.63% Arctic
46.34% West_Asian
0.00% North_European
0.07% South_Asian
0.00% East_African

ZephyrousMandaru
11-22-2013, 02:55 AM
Oh, and to further add to the mind****. I'm clustering with Yemenis and Egyptians on Interpretome. WTF.

Humanist
11-22-2013, 03:01 AM
My Geno 2.0 Results

First Reference Population: Georgians

http://imageshack.com/a/img19/2158/5wsn.png


Interesting. There is a (distant) relationship between ME populations, Armenians and Georgians (and Abkhazians).

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/caucasus_map.jpg

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/Caucasus_Dodecad.jpg

ZephyrousMandaru
11-22-2013, 03:03 AM
Interesting. There is a (distant) relationship between ME populations, Armenians and Georgians (and Abkhazians).

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/caucasus_map.jpg

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/Caucasus_Dodecad.jpg

Interesting, but there's something even more confusing. I'm clustering with Yemenis, Egyptians and Jordanians on Interpretome using my Geno 2.0 raw data.

Sein
11-22-2013, 04:59 AM
Me too! In your case, clustering with Yemenis and Egyptians is extremely unlikely, but in my case, impossible. Also, my chromosome painting is 100% African using Geno 2.0 raw-data! I guess one can't accurately use Interpretome with Geno 2.0 raw-data.

ZephyrousMandaru
11-22-2013, 06:00 AM
Me too! In your case, clustering with Yemenis and Egyptians is extremely unlikely, but in my case, impossible. Also, my chromosome painting is 100% African using Geno 2.0 raw-data! I guess one can't accurately use Interpretome with Geno 2.0 raw-data.

It's some seriously ****ed up ****.

Humanist
10-08-2015, 05:25 AM
First Reference Population: Georgians

http://imageshack.com/a/img19/2158/5wsn.png

Something of relevance posted by Razib recently (http://www.unz.com/gnxp/it-all-began-at-ararat/):


[T]he people of the trans-Caucasian region may preserve elements of the deep ancestral heritage of the Middle East which was to some extent effaced by later migrations. I have some Assyrian genotypes, and this population has strong affinities with Armenians and Georgians.

ZephyrousMandaru
10-08-2015, 09:27 AM
^That doesn't surprise me, I've often stated that mountainous regions are quite resilient to any invasions that might effect populations who's environments lack any natural barriers. The Near Eastern ancestors of the Armenians and Georgians could have been Mesopotamians after all.