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tipirneni
01-12-2019, 06:58 PM
Currently under H-CTS8144 CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 under H-Z5888 there are 2 Telugu samples categorized from UK.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-Z5888/

Any one matched for it ? I am also Telugu matched under this branch.



There is also another CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 branch under https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z697/ (R1b RL52) but it is mostly Atlantic people primarly Spanish/Portugal/French. Don't know what is the relation between these two banches ?

tipirneni
02-27-2019, 10:03 PM
I am placed under following in Yseq

H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)

Jatt1
02-27-2019, 10:18 PM
Currently under H-CTS8144 CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 under H-Z5888 there are 2 Telugu samples categorized from UK.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-Z5888/

Any one matched for it ? I am also Telugu matched under this branch.



There is also another CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 branch under https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z697/ (R1b RL52) but it is mostly Atlantic people primarly Spanish/Portugal/French. Don't know what is the relation between these two banches ?

Same SNP mutation occurring in two or more haplogroups is considered misleading and is always ignored also it is called a junk SNP, but would still be very useful in the same haplogroup.

tipirneni
12-09-2019, 03:28 AM
https://i.imgur.com/3OwSyPD.png
The closest branches on H1a1a4b shown as a tree

tipirneni
03-19-2020, 08:32 PM
The above tree looks like was done at ebc.ee/free_data (http://ebc.ee/free_data) by Luca Pagani (https://www.etis.ee/CV/Luca_Pagani/eng) group


The Kshatriya 1 is from Jaunpur, Uttar Pradesh (https://www.britannica.com/place/Jaunpur). It is probably a sample from the earlier paper that had bunch of closely clustered Kshatriyas of mostly Chandel origin from Jaunpur regions primarily of R2a haplogroup.

tipirneni
07-06-2020, 04:20 AM
https://i.imgur.com/3OwSyPD.png
H-Z5890 (H1a1a4b3b1a) branch consists of H-CTS8144CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 and H-Z5891

As shown in the diagram above H-Z5890 consists of

ITU
GIH
STU
BEB
Kshatriya

also from other sources

Arain
Kanaya
Andhras like Kamma, Reddy, Kapu
Goa
Karnataka
West Bengal

H-Z5891 consists of Saudi, Middle east, UK, Swiss, STU, Punjab Christian etc..

tipirneni
08-28-2020, 11:47 PM
Under H-Z5890 there is a Swiss (Baumgartner), an European (Wormley) and Saudi (Ramadan) listed in FTDNA. The European name Wormley looks like a German origin and shows up as H-FT306627. These matches are not Romany branch of H-M82 but on H-Z5890. Looking at the mutation distances there are a bunch of Saudi seem to be pretty close probably within H-Z5890. There are also few Levi close but probably fall under H-Z5891.

https://archives.upenn.edu/exhibits/penn-people/biography/theodore-george-wormley

tipirneni
09-01-2020, 07:57 PM
The Srilankan match also is probably H-Z5890 due to very close with the above matches is from Karava caste. http://karava.org/home which is said to be ancient Kuru and Chola royals who moved to Srilanka during Iron Age. There is another Nadar match which is close to H-Z5890 mutation wise but don't know if it is recent Srilankan tamil or Tamil match. One probable Kanaya sample seem to be close to the Nadar.

Few North Indians like Dubey, Yadav, Sarup, Sen, Comilla Chowdhury, Faizabad/Ayodhya dt, Thakur etc... are also mutation wise seem to be H-Z5890

There are also few English sounding names which are close to European matches. There are bunch of central Asians, also Thai and Indonesia

This wide distribution at TMRCA of 4300 YBP and presence of related up branch in Gonur BA, Shahr-e-Sokhte probably indicates BA era wide dispersal in ancient trade routes which existed until Medieval age before the arrival of European powers.

tipirneni
08-20-2021, 08:10 PM
https://i.ibb.co/hZr0nFF/spearman-h1a-upd6.png

Since the terminal clades for H-M82 were not all sequenced, but the Y67 etc.. are done, I did a spearman correlation chart of some nearby matches to shows following clusters

Cluster1 - Pak Gujjar, some Central Asian matches, Tamil Nadar, Srilankan Karava, Karnataka Bhatt, Achrya, Mangal, Kesho, Shinde
Cluster1 is closest to Cluster2 and 3

Cluster2 - Pak Abbotabad, Quraish, Pak match
Cluster 2 closest to cluster1 and 3

Cluster 3- Pak Warraich, Pak Ahmed, Pak Butt, Kuwait Al Obaidan, Saudi Labban, Saudi Kadiri, Tipirneni, Ayodya Yadav, Surat Mashruwala, Chennai Rajan, Bengal DhoyiSen, Balachandar, Kerala Ouseph, TN Subramanian, UK Fry, UK Burton, Nasir

Cluster3 closest to Cluster1 and 2

Cluster4 - GOa Periera, TN Marimuthu, Tamil Iyer, Thakur, Himachal Bhallu, Gupta, Srilankan Kumarakulasingham, Poovaiah, Bl Comilla CHowdhury etc...

CLuster5 - is not well formed has bunch of Roma matches, Israel, Arabs and some Indo Pak

tipirneni
08-20-2021, 08:28 PM
Cluster5 has Samlal in separate subcluster wiith Al Ghazi, Dubey, Bihari Chaturi, Patel (probably Anjani), Anand, Sarup probably Khatris etc.. but the overall looks under H-M5875 & the Roma subcluster but not under H-M5885 which is probably the other clusters 1-4. However some of the Arab/ISraeli under H-m5889 seem to be in it

tipirneni
08-20-2021, 08:34 PM
The Ahmed matches under Cluster3 shows up as Pakistani Warraich. I also see bunch of Ahmeds in MyHeritage too whereas the SNPs are from FTDNA. Some other place some of the Ahmeds listed as Arains

tipirneni
08-27-2021, 07:22 PM
Updated some more. There are a bunch of Thai samples under H-Z5882, 9 and some upstream branches. Looks like these are not related to S Indian ones meaning they came from North.

Mine forms a close grouping with Sengupta samples listed as DhoyiSen as ancestor and with Turkey Cetin, Saudi Labban, Mashruwala, Rajan, Butt, Burton, Fry and Ayodhya Yadav probably indicating post-Mauryan expansion and some kind of long distance trade. The Karnata yadu and Haihaya kings had Mummadi as the title sometimes to indicate 3rd ruler or for an accomplished ruler. The Karnataka Jainas also had Senas as their title. that probably explains the naming. https://www.wisdomlib.org/south-asia/book/the-history-of-andhra-country/d/doc219684.html

https://i.ibb.co/G0N8X1N/h1a-lat.png
The Tamil and Kerala samples form another nearby sub-cluster indicating divergence early on and the Punjab ones forming another group. Since we don't have y-dna info for the other important H-Z588* and 9* the groupings might rearrange a little bit once we get more samples

tipirneni
01-02-2022, 08:30 PM
So far seen following samples


H-Z5861 H-Z5862 H-Z5864 H-Z5865 Kamma cluster
H-Z5873 Kamma, Rajput
H-Z5878 Kamma
H-Z5870 Anjani-jat
H-Z5882 Thai mon, Chauhan, Shinde(?)
sk1225 H-M3038* UP Brahmin, vellalar, Telugu Brahmin, Iyer, Pawar(?)
H-Z5883 Kamma
H-Z5884 Rajput, Jain
H-Z5885 Kamma, patels?
h-z5887 Jain
h-z5886 Gujarati
h-z4542 Jain
h-z5889 yuan-thai, k-thai, thai-mon
h-z4407 central thai
H-Z5890 Kamma, Velma, Telugu Niyogi Brahmin, Reddy, Arabs, SL-Tamils, Tamil (vellalar?), tamil naddar, Kerala Christian, Arain, Bengali (sengupta), Kashmir Butt, Yadav, Kachis, Rajput, Gujaratis, Turkey, Kuwait, Sinhala ....
H-Z5891 Tamil, Punjabi christian, European matches, Israelis

tipirneni
01-06-2022, 10:04 PM
When the majority of samples under H-M82 were clustered using correlation of the markers many of the samples under the H-SK1225 seem to have cross linkages meaning there was close relationship or came from one core population prior to the recent mutations

tipirneni
08-06-2022, 12:55 AM
So far seen following samples

H-Z5861 H-Z5862 H-Z5864 H-Z5865 Kamma cluster H3a1
H-Z5867 Kamma, Telugu Brahmin
H-PH Romanis
H-Z5873 Kamma, Rajput
H-Z5875 Kamma
H-Z5878 Kamma
H-Z5870 Anjani-jat
H-M2914 Kamma
H-M2853 Kamma
H-Z14258 Siddu, Kamma, Pall Singh
H-Z13871 Kamma
H-Z5882 Thai mon, Jain, Chauhan, PK-JK, Shinde(?)
H-SK1225 H-M3038* UP Brahmin, vellalar, Pureval, Telugu Brahmin, Iyer, Pawar(?)
H-Z5883 Kamma
H-Z5884 Rajput, Jain
h-z5887 Jain
H-Z4490 PK-JK, Pushto, Burushaki, Gujarat, Kamma, Uzbek, Turkey, Portugal
h-z5886 Gujarati
h-z4542 Jain
H-y33651 Jharkhand tribals
h-z5889 yuan-thai, k-thai, thai-mon
h-z4407 central thai
H-Z5890 Kamma, Velama, Arabs, SL-Tamils, Tamil (vellalar?), Kodava, Nair, Belgaum Lingayat, tamil naddar, Telugu Niyogi Brahmin, Reddy, Kapu, Kerala Christian, Arain, Bengali (sengupta), Kashmir Butt, Yadav, Kachis, Rajput, Gujaratis, Turkey, Kuwait, Sinhala ....
H-Z5891 Tamil, Punjabi christian, European matches, Israelis

Shujauddin
08-06-2022, 11:06 AM
So far seen following samples

H-Z5861 H-Z5862 H-Z5864 H-Z5865 Kamma cluster H3a1
H-Z5867 Kamma, Telugu Brahmin
H-PH Romanis
H-Z5873 Kamma, Rajput
H-Z5875 Kamma
H-Z5878 Kamma
H-Z5870 Anjani-jat
H-M2914 Kamma
H-M2853 Kamma
H-Z14258 Siddu, Kamma, Pall Singh
H-Z13871 Kamma
H-Z5882 Thai mon, Jain, Chauhan, PK-JK, Shinde(?)
H-SK1225 H-M3038* UP Brahmin, vellalar, Pureval, Telugu Brahmin, Iyer, Pawar(?)
H-Z5883 Kamma
H-Z5884 Rajput, Jain
h-z5887 Jain
H-Z4490 PK-JK, Pushto, Burushaki, Gujarat, Kamma, Uzbek, Turkey, Portugal
h-z5886 Gujarati
h-z4542 Jain
H-y33651 Jharkhand tribals
h-z5889 yuan-thai, k-thai, thai-mon
h-z4407 central thai
H-Z5890 Kamma, Velama, Arabs, SL-Tamils, Tamil (vellalar?), Kodava, Nair, Belgaum Lingayat, tamil naddar, Telugu Niyogi Brahmin, Reddy, Kapu, Kerala Christian, Arain, Bengali (sengupta), Kashmir Butt, Yadav, Kachis, Rajput, Gujaratis, Turkey, Kuwait, Sinhala ....
H-Z5891 Tamil, Punjabi christian, European matches, Israelis

where did u get these? what is your data source?

tipirneni
08-07-2022, 08:26 PM
where did u get these? what is your data source?

I got big number of these from 23andme. Some from the FTDNA H1 and some from reddit and other online places, and published papers