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leorcooper19
10-22-2020, 04:56 PM
Natufians and PPN individuals plot inbetween North Africans and Anatolians. Middle Easterners aren't pristine Natufian, using them to disprove the origin of another population is fallacious.

The Natufians carried a wide range of E subclades, the presence of E-M165 among their Bedouin descendants indicate that they also carried E-L19/E-M81.

There's no issue with using this individual because Berbers do not carry this haplogroup. E-M81 is barely present (below 2%) among Eastern Berbers (Siwis) so it makes it even more unlikely that E-M81 was brought to the Levant by them. Concerning the Tuaregs, their self-perception is very important on the contrary, many people like Imesmouden use them to advance their agenda while ignoring what they have to say about their own origin. The Tuaregs (90% E-M81) do not consider themselves Berber but rather Arab or Israelite depending on their castes, they view Berbers (2 to 60% E-M81) as mixed foreigners unlike their Hassani Arab brethren (80% E-M81).

I'm not saying that "the Negev Bedouins have some North African-like ancestry so we can't use them as evidence", I'm saying that this specific Negev Bedouin (HGDP00620) seems to be way more North African-like than the rest of his tested population. That's an apples to apples comparison man. I encourage you to rerun my experiment (adding the HDGP Bedouin samples and different North African groups onto the Near East and Caucasus G25 PCA) and see the results for yourself. Again, I'm not saying I'm sure this individual's autosomal make up is directly related to his paternal line, but it seems like too much of a coincidence that he has a distinct North African-pull and happens to be in a rare clade upstream from the most common clade in North Africa.

Your Natufian comment is just untrue. There were 5 Natufian males tested, 3 of whom are in E. 2 of them are for sure in E-Z830 (again, not ancestral to E-M81 and more than 23,000 years removed from it) and 1 got a far upstream terminal of only E1b1. That individual is also in fact negative for SNPs at the E-L19 level, so they are not ancestral to E-M81 either. Again, we are missing the NE African part of the story of E-M35 so I really would be careful about making strong statements about this stuff. Missing NE African samples for E-M35 is like missing Steppe samples for R1a/R1b.

Yes, I agree that as E-M165 is not found (AFAIK) among North Africans that its presence in a Negev Bedouin is evidence for a Levantine origin. When I saw the sample pop up on YFull, I was shocked but practically convinced. Thing is, I looked into it further and the fact that E-M107 upstream exists only in North Africa (which according to your logic with E-M165 should be evidence for a North African origin) is really want convinces me the most. I really would like to see E-M107's TMRCA with E-M183 and see how far back they are.

Anyone with familiarity with prestige vs non-prestige cultures can understand why your argument re Tuaregs is flawed.

I ask again, do you have any really solid evidence? I am open to anything but as it stands I'm really not convinced of a Levantine origin. One might expect given Phoenician/Carthaginian expansion that North Africa would be dominated by stereotypical Levantine haplogroups but the only major one has just too many deep North African connections to call it Levantine.

Imesmouden
10-22-2020, 05:48 PM
Natufians and PPN individuals plot inbetween North Africans and Anatolians. Middle Easterners aren't pristine Natufian, using them to disprove the origin of another population is fallacious.

The Natufians carried a wide range of E subclades, the presence of E-M165 among their Bedouin descendants indicate that they also carried E-L19/E-M81.

There's no issue with using this individual because Berbers do not carry this haplogroup. E-M81 is barely present (below 2%) among Eastern Berbers (Siwis) so it makes it even more unlikely that E-M81 was brought to the Levant by them. Concerning the Tuaregs, their self-perception is very important on the contrary, many people like Imesmouden use them to advance their agenda while ignoring what they have to say about their own origin. The Tuaregs (90% E-M81) do not consider themselves Berber but rather Arab or Israelite depending on their castes, they view Berbers (2 to 60% E-M81) as mixed foreigners unlike their Hassani Arab brethren (80% E-M81).

There is something that you don't want to understand ,

the actual absence of E-M165 in north africa is due to the lack of WGS/NGS tests in north africa , that's clearly clear , if E-M165 is typically middle eastern you will see dozens of E-M165 samples because there is literally thousands of WGS/NGS tests in middle east + WGS/NGS studies samples in ME is exponentially larger than WGS/NGS studies samples in north africa , also keep in mind that E-M81 was absent in dozens of phoenician and canaanite remain in the near east and even E-CTS4236 is more than rare in the middle east

also you said "Imesmouden use them to advance their agenda" OKAY B R U H , what agendas? will you say again that i have agendas against the ABRAHAMIC E-M81 lineage?

Concerning the Tuaregs what you said is totally a LIE , yes it's a lie because you knows that not the truth , you said "The Tuaregs (90% E-M81) do not consider themselves Berber but rather Arab or Israelite depending on their castes" , seriously??? that's based on what? on a bunch of 13 tuareg who wannabe arab?

i have many tuareg friends and they consider themselves as berbers , none of them consider himself as an arab

and here is the tuaregs with the cultural berber flag

what you gonna say about this?? they also have agenda against the ABRAHAMIC E-M81 lineage??

https://scontent.frba3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121257802_175639257426976_2923603490972555889_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeGwm4cIaOVlAe3tYK6YMRKWZLu4BDst8Idku7gEO y3wh0v33yFEFPxnP-ks_cLmPOFvX5OTkoVyUVeuYXraMIMA&_nc_ohc=v1ilnilrM7MAX_VT0nd&_nc_ht=scontent.frba3-1.fna&oh=e3c27f2477815fd1956ee13e2069a814&oe=5FB8F77E

https://scontent.frba3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118176114_163735048617397_2985768824864269411_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeHrs-rzAQ0Jos17LYyfEAwxzX0mfs1ZlZDNfSZ-zVmVkMTYVB1M9CGkjnvSoHb6iaj1o_Umddm5CpikyAjFE8IK&_nc_ohc=_z1fpDoZceMAX8rNW9t&_nc_ht=scontent.frba3-1.fna&oh=d18d7d71a25579abaecd5d7c9c2038df&oe=5FB7AFC7

https://scontent.frba3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117953249_162302538760648_8877053454419274619_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeFPNVXl0IKVYXLFEzQdA7FMtP5R18gq49G0_lHXy Crj0bLuS0Xp3JQnskCEEqcKrwm3Figg6w2PBZ_ytE1HPm5y&_nc_ohc=i8gYxqA574sAX-faEzz&_nc_ht=scontent.frba3-1.fna&oh=e36295091d399c4670854b11375df161&oe=5FB791CC

https://scontent.frba3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117870500_162302442093991_3064122216426193554_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeENOOuh1plKaIDO_lbjAfN2nckheCPxIxSdySF4I _EjFAy-W7UtKmuyxD2X95tcwzHH5Tb3dxtgLwy_CXvn1skw&_nc_ohc=llBJZzI7ikgAX_XkRfh&_nc_ht=scontent.frba3-2.fna&oh=12fcb5d9e3d6868e43f9ef28a93ab411&oe=5FB7EA59

and here is for example a tuareg facebook page here (https://www.facebook.com/%D9%87%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B7%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%82-%E2%B5%A3-109362734054629/?ref=page_internal)

it's enough to see the pictures they post and read the posts to see if they consider themselves berbers or arabs

Imesmouden
10-22-2020, 05:50 PM
and by the way can you explain the almost absence of the sister branch of E-M81 which is E-PF2431 in the middle east??

the peak of this rare clade "E-PF2431" is found in south morocco in the berber speaking tribe Jazoula

Claudio
10-22-2020, 06:37 PM
Natufians and PPN individuals plot inbetween North Africans and Anatolians. Middle Easterners aren't pristine Natufian, using them to disprove the origin of another population is fallacious.

The Natufians carried a wide range of E subclades, the presence of E-M165 among their Bedouin descendants indicate that they also carried E-L19/E-M81.

There's no issue with using this individual because Berbers do not carry this haplogroup. E-M81 is barely present (below 2%) among Eastern Berbers (Siwis) so it makes it even more unlikely that E-M81 was brought to the Levant by them. Concerning the Tuaregs, their self-perception is very important on the contrary, many people like Imesmouden use them to advance their agenda while ignoring what they have to say about their own origin. The Tuaregs (90% E-M81) do not consider themselves Berber but rather Arab or Israelite depending on their castes, they view Berbers (2 to 60% E-M81) as mixed foreigners unlike their Hassani Arab brethren (80% E-M81).

40510

Do you realize after the destruction of Carthage how much building work and population expansion was made by the Numidian empire under Massinissa’s Client state?

40511

These Numidian tribesmen were not the descendants of Phoenicians.

Tz85
10-22-2020, 07:47 PM
Most of the individuals tested in these studies are low status and their language affiliation is unknown. The Bronze Age Levant was as mixed as it is today, it was home to Semites, Hurrians, Indo-Aryans, Hittites, Philistines, and Egyptians.

And you're ignoring the major ethnic cleansing practiced by the Israelite against non-Semites, as I previously mentioned in another thread their primary targets seem to have been non-E carriers.



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The Semitic nobility of the Ancient Near East hails from an eponymous ancestor named Ditanu. The other elite invidivuals will probably belong to the same haplogroup.

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Yes. Some people are unable to accept facts, they rather believe in foreign colonists than their own ancestral traditions.

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E-M78 is found among the Natufians. E-V22 itself is present among Levantine-derived SNP individuals. There's absolutely no doubt that E-V22 is Semitic.


40464

Soo many errors here it's laughable. E-V22 is not Levantine in origin. E-V22 originates in Egypt, NE Africa. Long before Semites.

RagingBull
10-23-2020, 05:28 AM
There is something that you don't want to understand ,

the actual absence of E-M165 in north africa is due to the lack of WGS/NGS tests in north africa , that's clearly clear , if E-M165 is typically middle eastern you will see dozens of E-M165 samples because there is literally thousands of WGS/NGS tests in middle east + WGS/NGS studies samples in ME is exponentially larger than WGS/NGS studies samples in north africa , also keep in mind that E-M81 was absent in dozens of phoenician and canaanite remain in the near east and even E-CTS4236 is more than rare in the middle east

also you said "Imesmouden use them to advance their agenda" OKAY B R U H , what agendas? will you say again that i have agendas against the ABRAHAMIC E-M81 lineage?

Concerning the Tuaregs what you said is totally a LIE , yes it's a lie because you knows that not the truth , you said "The Tuaregs (90% E-M81) do not consider themselves Berber but rather Arab or Israelite depending on their castes" , seriously??? that's based on what? on a bunch of 13 tuareg who wannabe arab?

i have many tuareg friends and they consider themselves as berbers , none of them consider himself as an arab

and here is the tuaregs with the cultural berber flag

what you gonna say about this?? they also have agenda against the ABRAHAMIC E-M81 lineage??

https://scontent.frba3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121257802_175639257426976_2923603490972555889_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeGwm4cIaOVlAe3tYK6YMRKWZLu4BDst8Idku7gEO y3wh0v33yFEFPxnP-ks_cLmPOFvX5OTkoVyUVeuYXraMIMA&_nc_ohc=v1ilnilrM7MAX_VT0nd&_nc_ht=scontent.frba3-1.fna&oh=e3c27f2477815fd1956ee13e2069a814&oe=5FB8F77E

https://scontent.frba3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118176114_163735048617397_2985768824864269411_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeHrs-rzAQ0Jos17LYyfEAwxzX0mfs1ZlZDNfSZ-zVmVkMTYVB1M9CGkjnvSoHb6iaj1o_Umddm5CpikyAjFE8IK&_nc_ohc=_z1fpDoZceMAX8rNW9t&_nc_ht=scontent.frba3-1.fna&oh=d18d7d71a25579abaecd5d7c9c2038df&oe=5FB7AFC7

https://scontent.frba3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117953249_162302538760648_8877053454419274619_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeFPNVXl0IKVYXLFEzQdA7FMtP5R18gq49G0_lHXy Crj0bLuS0Xp3JQnskCEEqcKrwm3Figg6w2PBZ_ytE1HPm5y&_nc_ohc=i8gYxqA574sAX-faEzz&_nc_ht=scontent.frba3-1.fna&oh=e36295091d399c4670854b11375df161&oe=5FB791CC

https://scontent.frba3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117870500_162302442093991_3064122216426193554_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_eui2=AeENOOuh1plKaIDO_lbjAfN2nckheCPxIxSdySF4I _EjFAy-W7UtKmuyxD2X95tcwzHH5Tb3dxtgLwy_CXvn1skw&_nc_ohc=llBJZzI7ikgAX_XkRfh&_nc_ht=scontent.frba3-2.fna&oh=12fcb5d9e3d6868e43f9ef28a93ab411&oe=5FB7EA59

and here is for example a tuareg facebook page here (https://www.facebook.com/%D9%87%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B7%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%82-%E2%B5%A3-109362734054629/?ref=page_internal)

it's enough to see the pictures they post and read the posts to see if they consider themselves berbers or arabs

A simple BIG Y can tell whether someone is E-L19*, E-M81*, or E-M165*. Hundreds of North Africans did a BIG Y, they are overcrowding the E-M81 DNA Project with E-CTS4236 and its subbranches. It's usually the Arabs and the Iberians who carry basal branches.

E-PF2431 and its subbranches are primarly found among Iberians and Latinos, it was either spread by the Phoenicians or the Arabs.
40550

All the pictures you showed are anecdotal evidences. I can post picture of White people and Asian people wearing Berber garbs and waving with the French-Kabyle flag, it doesn't mean that they are Berber or consider themselves Berber, it just means that they support the Berberist movement for some reasons.
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RagingBull
10-23-2020, 05:39 AM
Soo many errors here it's laughable. E-V22 is not Levantine in origin. E-V22 originates in Egypt, NE Africa. Long before Semites.
The Samaritan Cohanim belong exclusively to E-V22. They follow the strict purity laws of their Torah and continously sacrifices since the Late Bronze Age as evidence by the more than 300,000 bone fragments found on Mount Garezem. They can also trace their genealogy all the way back to Abraham.

E-V22 has been only among one Egyptian from the Roman period. Middle Kingdom Egyptians and Late Kingdom Egyptians belonged to E1b1a and J, as did the Canaanites (Sidonians, Philistines) whom the Israelites hated.

eclipser
10-23-2020, 08:45 AM
The Samaritan Cohanim belong exclusively to E-V22. They follow the strict purity laws of their Torah and continously sacrifices since the Late Bronze Age as evidence by the more than 300,000 bone fragments found on Mount Garezem. They can also trace their genealogy all the way back to Abraham.

E-V22 has been only among one Egyptian from the Roman period. Middle Kingdom Egyptians and Late Kingdom Egyptians belonged to E1b1a and J, as did the Canaanites (Sidonians, Philistines) whom the Israelites hated.

then you got your answer abrahamic lineage is E-v22. ok then E-m81 is not amorite and not abrahamic.hum what s next?

Tz85
10-23-2020, 01:23 PM
The Samaritan Cohanim belong exclusively to E-V22. They follow the strict purity laws of their Torah and continously sacrifices since the Late Bronze Age as evidence by the more than 300,000 bone fragments found on Mount Garezem. They can also trace their genealogy all the way back to Abraham.

E-V22 has been only among one Egyptian from the Roman period. Middle Kingdom Egyptians and Late Kingdom Egyptians belonged to E1b1a and J, as did the Canaanites (Sidonians, Philistines) whom the Israelites hated.

The Samaritan Priests were converts who came with Israel during the Exodus. It is not possible for Cohanim to be E-V22, while the rest of the tribes are J. Therefore we know that Jews of E-78 and downstream are Egyptian in origins and the result of conversion. Abraham did not pass down J and E.

Imesmouden
10-23-2020, 01:51 PM
A simple BIG Y can tell whether someone is E-L19*, E-M81*, or E-M165*. Hundreds of North Africans did a BIG Y, they are overcrowding the E-M81 DNA Project with E-CTS4236 and its subbranches. It's usually the Arabs and the Iberians who carry basal branches.

E-PF2431 and its subbranches are primarly found among Iberians and Latinos, it was either spread by the Phoenicians or the Arabs.
40550

All the pictures you showed are anecdotal evidences. I can post picture of White people and Asian people wearing Berber garbs and waving with the French-Kabyle flag, it doesn't mean that they are Berber or consider themselves Berber, it just means that they support the Berberist movement for some reasons.
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You keep telling lies all the time

first one is when you said "Hundreds of North Africans did a BIG Y" No thats not right , only if you don't know how to count , do you know what is hundreds?? it's like 300 or 400 and more ... and nope thats not true , only if you can prove the opposite , and keep in mind that even hundreds of BIG Y's is not enough to found some very rare clades , and okay you said Hundreds of North Africans did a BIG Y but what about the LITERALLY THOUSANDS of middle easternes who did BIG Y? why E-M165 and E-M107 were completly absent?? why E-M165 was only found in a german sample probably from NAT GEO project and a bedouin who cluster outside the others bedouins and shift towards north africans and again i will remind you that this is regardless the thousands of BIG Y's in the middle east , why the oldest clade E-M107 was completly abesnt but present exclusively in some north african samples?

you also said "It's usually the Arabs and the Iberians who carry basal branches." that's an another lie and joke

and since you love basal branches ,, the basal branch of E-PF2548 which include most of E-M81 samples is an algerian berber sample of a Mozabite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozabite_people) , but i believe this is just cause of the lack of WGS test in nort africa

https://i.imgur.com/LiQ0Jng.png

and for E-PF2431 it's not primarly found among Iberians and Latinos , it's primarly found in north africa , i personally know many E-PF2431 Moroccans but their samples are not in yfull because they can't afford a WGS test , i also started making an E-PF2431 distribution map based on the known samples a long time ago but i stopped

https://i.imgur.com/IZFTszt.png

Map link (http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/e-pf2431-distrubition-map_498140#4/37.20/21.45)

you said "it was either spread by the Phoenicians or the Arabs" and again you came up with things with literally 0 evidence , there is no hypotesis supports a E-PF2431 spread by Phoenicians or Arabs

and again since you love basal branches , let's talk about the 3 first basal branches of E-PF2431 , the first one is of an african american , the second one is from Barbados and it's surely of someone with african origins , the third one is from Tchad so are these people related to Phoenicians and Arabs?

the most logical hypotesis for E-PF2431 is that it was in the big sahara when it was green and after the desertification some branches migrated north and some branches migrated south , and this hypotesis is also supported by most of E-PF2431 carriers

and for comparing the tuareg berbers with white and asian people sorry brother but that's silly and embarassing for you af , but it's okay let's see what tuaregs say in their facebook pages with translation

https://i.imgur.com/kPz3Uuu.png

https://i.imgur.com/ktox7aa.png

it seems like they adressing to you lol

Tz85
10-24-2020, 11:47 PM
The Samaritan Cohanim belong exclusively to E-V22. They follow the strict purity laws of their Torah and continously sacrifices since the Late Bronze Age as evidence by the more than 300,000 bone fragments found on Mount Garezem. They can also trace their genealogy all the way back to Abraham.

E-V22 has been only among one Egyptian from the Roman period. Middle Kingdom Egyptians and Late Kingdom Egyptians belonged to E1b1a and J, as did the Canaanites (Sidonians, Philistines) whom the Israelites hated.

Considering I'm E-V12*, I have researched this extensively. Please explain to me how Abraham passed down two totally different Haplogroups? Also explain to me how he passed down an Haplogroup that existed thousands of years before his birth. Are you saying that E-M78 are the true Semite, Israelite, and the sons of Abraham, and J are frauds?

Shanck
10-25-2020, 09:33 AM
Most of the individuals tested in these studies are low status and their language affiliation is unknown. The Bronze Age Levant was as mixed as it is today, it was home to Semites, Hurrians, Indo-Aryans, Hittites, Philistines, and Egyptians.

And you're ignoring the major ethnic cleansing practiced by the Israelite against non-Semites, as I previously mentioned in another thread their primary targets seem to have been non-E carriers.

40464

Megiddo was a Canaanite-inhabited site since the Bronze age. Israelites were an Iron age offshoot of those Canaanites, they didn't pop into existence suddenly. Of course, the oldest sample from Megiddo is a man who lived circa 2334-2149 BC and is labeled as "J", and we see a significant mark of J lineages well into the Iron age.
You've also used this sample twice now as "perished during the devestation of the city" but assuming this is true, this in no way supports your theory. The absence of E from the samples is not because the sides were clashing, it's because of a bottleneck that caused a decrease in the neolithic lineages of the Levant, while Chalcolithic lineages such as J1 thrived.


The Semitic nobility of the Ancient Near East hails from an eponymous ancestor named Ditanu. The other elite invidivuals will probably belong to the same haplogroup.
And Alexander descends from Zeus.


E-M78 is found among the Natufians. E-V22 itself is present among Levantine-derived SNP individuals. There's absolutely no doubt that E-V22 is Semitic.
E-V22 hasn't been found among the Natufians and it's presence is certainly indicative of Egyptian, along E-V12. I had reconsidered this and the evidence so far points toward a Bronze age dissemination of E-V22 and E-V12 in the Levant, possibly from Egypt. Once Egyptians start testing en masse you will see what's true.

Also good job posting the E-V22 found in eastern Africa. It's a good start for understanding E-V22's phylogeny and spread.

hartaisarlag
10-27-2020, 05:53 PM
Jews are Khazars, you are neither Egyptians nor Semites.

Ah! Kindly tell us which branches of J and E are associated with Khazars.

hartaisarlag
10-27-2020, 05:59 PM
The Samaritan Priests were converts who came with Israel during the Exodus. It is not possible for Cohanim to be E-V22, while the rest of the tribes are J. Therefore we know that Jews of E-78 and downstream are Egyptian in origins and the result of conversion. Abraham did not pass down J and E.

As has been said many times on this forum, the problem is looking for an Abraham in the first place. The genetic and historical data pretty clearly indicate that ancient Israelites would've been a thorough mix of many divergent J and E branches (as well as T, R, G, Q...); even if Abraham were a historical figure, with descendants among the Israelites, at no point in the last 3,000 years would more than a very small share of self-identifying Israelites/Jews be the direct patrilineal descendants of him.

Agamemnon
10-27-2020, 06:13 PM
Jews are Khazars, you are neither Egyptians nor Semites.

Yup, that's why Y3081, the branch of J1 to which I along with roughly 50% of Jewish priests belong, showed up in two samples from Megiddo, one dating to the MBA (I10268) and another dating back to the Early Iron Age (I4517). You should know because you love using the latter to "prove" that J1 could not be Israelite and that it is (was?) "low-status", the sample is labeled "Megiddo_IA" on the following PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/4vTzFrC.png

Those Khazars sure knew how to time travel! And they seem to have been suspiciously close to Canaanites and other Bronze Age Levantines.... Really gets you thinking, but hey, I'm sure you have a logical explanation.

You must be one of those people who thought Borat was a documentary about Kazakhstan.


Ah! Kindly tell us which branches of J and E are associated with Khazars.

I've got the J part covered for you: Based on the FGC8712 project's page, ZS2121 is a "Jacobite Khazar lineage (https://fgc8712.com/2019/03/07/%d8%aa%d8%ad%d8%af%d9%8a%d8%ab-%d9%85%d9%8f%d8%b4%d8%ac%d9%91%d8%b1-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b9%d9%8a%d9%91%d9%86%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ae%d8%b2%d8%b1%d9%8a%d9%91%d8%a9/)", the implications being that Prophet Muhammad also was a Khazar. The more you know...

Also, according to that same project ZS227 is Yemenite (https://fgc8712.com/2020/04/11/%d8%aa%d9%83%d8%aa%d9%91%d9%84%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d9%8a%d8%b9%d9%82%d9%88%d8%a8%d9%8a%d9%91%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d8%ad%d8%aa-j-m267/), I think the real question now is whether Megiddo_IA was a Yemenite Khazar.

hartaisarlag
10-27-2020, 06:16 PM
Yup, that's why Y3081, the branch of J1 to which I along with roughly 50% of Jewish priests belong, showed up in two samples from Megiddo, one dating to the MBA (I10268) and another dating back to the Early Iron Age (I4517). You should know because you love using the latter to "prove" that J1 could not be Israelite and that it is (was?) "low-status", the sample is labeled "Megiddo_IA" on the following PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/4vTzFrC.png

Those Khazars sure knew how to time travel! And they seem to have been suspiciously close to Canaanites and other Bronze Age Levantines.... Really gets you thinking, but hey, I'm sure you have a logical explanation.

You must be one of those people who thought Borat was a documentary about Kazakhstan.



I've got the J part covered for you: Based on the FGC8712 project's page, ZS2121 is a "Jacobite Khazar lineage (https://fgc8712.com/2020/04/11/%d8%aa%d9%83%d8%aa%d9%91%d9%84%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d9%8a%d8%b9%d9%82%d9%88%d8%a8%d9%8a%d9%91%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d8%ad%d8%aa-j-m267/)", the implications being that Prophet Muhammad also was a Khazar. The more you know...

Also, according to that same project ZS227 is Yemenite (https://fgc8712.com/2020/04/11/%d8%aa%d9%83%d8%aa%d9%91%d9%84%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d9%8a%d8%b9%d9%82%d9%88%d8%a8%d9%8a%d9%91%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d8%ad%d8%aa-j-m267/), I think the real question now is whether Megiddo_IA was a Yemenite Khazar.

The FGC8712 project is doing some really odd narrative-building there. They acknowledge the Israelite origins of major Jewish branches, but also can't shake the tic of "Ashkenazi = Khazar". Thus, the Abrahamic path to Europe must run through Khazaria. Frankly, I just think they're being dumb.

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