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Wulf Talented
12-05-2013, 08:04 PM
Hi everyone,

Let me introduce myself,

I'm Wulf. I took an interest in my ancestry some several months back for personal reasons, and am interested to find my roots, genetic/ethnic background.

I received my 23andme results earlier this year, but it wasn't until yesterday I looked into the Gedmatch admixture analysis, it really confuses me though. I'm just no good at DNA/Genealogy and would love help interpreting my results.

As far as I'm aware and have traced, my ancestry is for the most part, English. I have 1 Great Grandfather who was a Catholic Polish, and he came over to England just prior to World War 2. Interestingly enough, the East European's minimal, I'm not sure what that means but I seem to have more South European than East European.

Here are my 23andme results, I edited out my name, cause well, privacy reasons I guess.

Speculative Results,
1010
Standard results,
1009

When I run them through Gedmatch Eurogene's K36, Eutest V2 and Jtest, these are my results.

EUTEST V2

1012

Oracle;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 44.44
2 Atlantic 20.61
3 Baltic 9.26
4 West_Med 8.88
5 Eastern_Euro 7.77
6 West_Asian 4.88
7 Red_Sea 1.3
8 Amerindian 0.77
9 East_Med 0.64
10 Oceanian 0.49
11 Northeast_African 0.42
12 Siberian 0.38
13 South_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Orcadian 7.2
2 Norwegian 7.5
3 Dutch 8.69
4 Swedish 8.71
5 Danish 10.67
6 West_Scottish 10.81
7 Southwest_English 10.98
8 Southeast_English 11.24
9 Irish 11.38
10 German 12.26
11 North_Swedish 12.33
12 French 16.72
13 Southwest_Finnish 19.65
14 Hungarian 21.13
15 Finnish 21.39
16 Austrian 23.13
17 Spanish_Galicia 23.63
18 Spanish_Cataluna 24.98
19 Portuguese 25.23
20 Serbian 25.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Orcadian + 38.9% Norwegian @ 6.98
2 97.7% Orcadian + 2.3% Abhkasian @ 7.05
3 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% Georgian @ 7.06
4 79.2% Orcadian + 20.8% Swedish @ 7.07
5 97.4% Orcadian + 2.6% Lezgin @ 7.08
6 97.5% Orcadian + 2.5% Chechen @ 7.08
7 97.6% Orcadian + 2.4% Kumyk @ 7.09
8 97.9% Orcadian + 2.1% North_Ossetian @ 7.1
9 97.8% Orcadian + 2.2% Balkar @ 7.1
10 98% Orcadian + 2% Armenian @ 7.1
11 98% Orcadian + 2% Adygei @ 7.11
12 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Assyrian @ 7.15
13 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Iranian @ 7.16
14 98.8% Orcadian + 1.2% Makrani @ 7.17
15 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Brahui @ 7.17
16 98.6% Orcadian + 1.4% Nogay @ 7.17
17 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Syrian @ 7.17
18 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Balochi @ 7.17
19 98.9% Orcadian + 1.1% Kurdish @ 7.17
20 99% Orcadian + 1% Lebanese_Christian @ 7.17

Oracle 4,

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 45.75
2 Atlantic 21.22
3 Baltic 9.54
4 West_Med 9.14
5 Eastern_Euro 8.00
6 West_Asian 5.02
7 Red_Sea 1.33


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 8.830
2 Norwegian @ 9.289
3 Swedish @ 10.617
4 Dutch @ 10.894
5 West_Scottish @ 13.034
6 Danish @ 13.044
7 Southwest_English @ 13.455
8 Irish @ 13.776
9 Southeast_English @ 13.797
10 North_Swedish @ 14.953
165 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +50% Orcadian @ 8.681
2 50% Orcadian +50% Orcadian @ 8.830
3 50% Orcadian +50% Swedish @ 9.041
4 50% Norwegian +50% Norwegian @ 9.289
5 50% Dutch +50% Orcadian @ 9.631
6 50% Dutch +50% Norwegian @ 9.830
7 50% Norwegian +50% Swedish @ 9.872
8 50% Dutch +50% Swedish @ 10.276
9 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_English @ 10.403
10 50% Norwegian +50% West_Scottish @ 10.499
13695 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% Norwegian +25% Orcadian @ 8.659
2 50% Norwegian +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 8.681
3 50% Orcadian +25% Norwegian +25% Norwegian @ 8.681
4 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% Swedish @ 8.744
5 50% Orcadian +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 8.830
6 50% Orcadian +25% Norwegian +25% Swedish @ 8.834
7 50% Norwegian +25% Norwegian +25% Orcadian @ 8.896
8 50% Orcadian +25% Swedish +25% Swedish @ 9.041
9 50% Swedish +25% Orcadian +25% Orcadian @ 9.041
10 50% Orcadian +25% Dutch +25% Norwegian @ 9.088
665915 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 8.659
2 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 8.681
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 8.744
4 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 8.830
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 8.834
6 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 8.896
7 Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish @ 9.041
8 Dutch + Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 9.088
9 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 9.111
10 Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 9.164
11 Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 9.198
12 Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 9.205
13 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 9.289
14 Norwegian + Orcadian + Swedish + Swedish @ 9.376
15 Dutch + Norwegian + Orcadian + Swedish @ 9.377
16 Norwegian + Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 9.411
17 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 9.467
18 Dutch + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 9.486
19 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 9.495
20 Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 9.518

Oracle-x

Admix Results:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 44.44
2 Atlantic 20.61
3 Baltic 9.26
4 Eastern_Euro 7.77
5 West_Med 8.88
6 West_Asian 4.88
7 East_Med 0.64
8 Red_Sea 1.30
9 South_Asian 0.15
10 Southeast_Asian 0.00
11 Siberian 0.38
12 Amerindian 0.77
13 Oceanian 0.49
14 Northeast_African 0.42
15 Sub-Saharan 0.00


Pct. Calc. Option 2

1 Orcadian 61.73%
2 Norwegian 22.35%
3 Swedish 5.68%
4 Abhkasian 3.88%
5 Dutch 3.75%
6 North_Swedish 2.49%
7 Southwest_English 0.11%
8 Armenian 0.00%
9 Georgian 0.00%
10 French 0.00%

Wulf Talented
12-05-2013, 08:10 PM
Jtest,


1013

Oracle,

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 33.83
2 ATLANTIC 23.77
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.15
4 WEST_MED 9.96
5 EAST_EURO 9.81
6 WEST_ASIAN 6.33
7 ASHKENAZI 3.08
8 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.51
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.32
10 SIBERIAN 0.17
11 EAST_MED 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 English 5.95
2 DK 6.8
3 NL 7.06
4 NO 7.54
5 Orcadian 8.03
6 West_&_Central_German 8.04
7 South_&_Central_Swedish 8.32
8 IE 8.57
9 Cornish 8.93
10 Scottish 9.67
11 North_Swedish 12.43
12 FR 14.78
13 AT 15.64
14 HU 20.42
15 PT 21.41
16 South_Finnish 21.5
17 ES 22.21
18 Serbian 22.28
19 PL 24.68
20 North_Italian 24.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.9% English + 25.1% NO @ 5.72
2 79.6% English + 20.4% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 5.75
3 78.2% English + 21.8% DK @ 5.87
4 98% English + 2% Lezgin @ 5.88
5 98.4% English + 1.6% Kalash @ 5.88
6 93.6% English + 6.4% North_Swedish @ 5.9
7 98.7% English + 1.3% GE @ 5.91
8 99.2% English + 0.8% Burusho @ 5.93
9 99.4% English + 0.6% Sindhi @ 5.94
10 99.6% English + 0.4% Gujarati @ 5.94
11 99.6% English + 0.4% IN @ 5.94
12 99.6% English + 0.4% Balochi @ 5.95
13 99.6% English + 0.4% Brahui @ 5.95
14 99.7% English + 0.3% Komi @ 5.95
15 99.8% English + 0.2% Bangladeshi @ 5.95
16 100% English + 0% KZ @ 5.95
17 100% English + 0% AJ @ 5.95
18 100% English + 0% Algerian @ 5.95
19 100% English + 0% Armenian @ 5.95
20 100% English + 0% Assyrian @ 5.95

Oracle 4

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 34.19
2 ATLANTIC 24.03
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.28
4 WEST_MED 10.07
5 EAST_EURO 9.92
6 WEST_ASIAN 6.40
7 ASHKENAZI 3.12


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 7.032
2 DK @ 8.014
3 NL @ 8.382
4 NO @ 8.722
5 Orcadian @ 9.312
6 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 9.552
7 West_&_Central_German @ 9.592
8 IE @ 9.926
9 Cornish @ 10.414
10 Scottish @ 11.145
78 iterations.



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English +50% NO @ 6.981
2 50% English +50% English @ 7.032
3 50% DK +50% English @ 7.105
4 50% English +50% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.221
5 50% English +50% NL @ 7.585
6 50% DK +50% NL @ 7.829
7 50% NL +50% NO @ 7.872
8 50% English +50% Orcadian @ 7.910
9 50% DK +50% DK @ 8.014
10 50% English +50% West_&_Central_German @ 8.064
3081 iterations.



Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English +25% NO @ 6.752
2 50% English +25% English +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 6.801
3 50% English +25% DK +25% English @ 6.955
4 50% English +25% NO +25% NO @ 6.981
5 50% NO +25% English +25% English @ 6.981
6 50% English +25% DK +25% NO @ 6.989
7 50% English +25% English +25% English @ 7.032
8 50% English +25% DK +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.057
9 50% English +25% NO +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.085
10 50% English +25% NL +25% NO @ 7.095
79280 iterations.



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + English + English + NO @ 6.752
2 English + English + English + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 6.801
3 DK + English + English + English @ 6.955
4 English + English + NO + NO @ 6.981
5 DK + English + English + NO @ 6.989
6 English + English + English + English @ 7.032
7 DK + English + English + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.057
8 English + English + NO + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.085
9 English + English + NL + NO @ 7.095
10 DK + DK + English + English @ 7.105
11 English + English + NL + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.173
12 English + English + NO + Orcadian @ 7.214
13 English + English + South_&_Central_Swedish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.221
14 English + English + IE + NO @ 7.237
15 DK + English + English + NL @ 7.247
16 English + English + Orcadian + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.258
17 English + English + IE + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 7.263
18 English + English + English + NL @ 7.274
19 English + English + NO + West_&_Central_German @ 7.298
20 DK + English + English + Orcadian @ 7.359

Oracle-x

Admix Results:

# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.15
2 EAST_EURO 9.81
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 33.83
4 ATLANTIC 23.77
5 WEST_MED 9.96
6 ASHKENAZI 3.08
7 EAST_MED 0.07
8 WEST_ASIAN 6.33
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.51
10 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.32
11 EAST_AFRICAN 0.00
12 EAST_ASIAN 0.00
13 SIBERIAN 0.17
14 WEST_AFRICAN 0.00


Pct. Calc. Option 2

1 English 60.11%
2 NO 23.05%
3 South_&_Central_Swedish 5.46%
4 Lezgin 3.61%
5 DK 3.33%
6 NL 3.33%
7 Kalash 1.11%
8 GE 0.00%
9 West_&_Central_German 0.00%
10 Orcadian 0.00%

Wulf Talented
12-05-2013, 08:15 PM
K36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.78%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.34%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.85%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 5.45%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.53%
Fennoscandian 13.01%
French 7.42%
Iberian 13.36%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 5.41%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 13.61%
North_Caucasian 1.42%
North_Sea 22.62%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.20%
West_Med -

http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/gifs/M115757_AB9775.gif

Wulf Talented
12-05-2013, 08:16 PM
After all that, I'd love to know your thoughts and opinions on my results.

I'd also like to know what the population referencing means? In terms of ethnicity, ancient ancestry, etc.

Thank you :).

AJL
12-05-2013, 10:25 PM
Fairly consistent with your known ancestry.

Wulf Talented
12-05-2013, 10:55 PM
Fairly consistent with your known ancestry.

Thank you very much for your reply AJL.

What do the population lists mean? These for example,

1 Orcadian @ 8.830
2 Norwegian @ 9.289
3 Swedish @ 10.617
4 Dutch @ 10.894
5 West_Scottish @ 13.034
6 Danish @ 13.044
7 Southwest_English @ 13.455
8 Irish @ 13.776
9 Southeast_English @ 13.797
10 North_Swedish @ 14.953


1 50% Norwegian +50% Orcadian @ 8.681
2 50% Orcadian +50% Orcadian @ 8.830
3 50% Orcadian +50% Swedish @ 9.041
4 50% Norwegian +50% Norwegian @ 9.289
5 50% Dutch +50% Orcadian @ 9.631
6 50% Dutch +50% Norwegian @ 9.830
7 50% Norwegian +50% Swedish @ 9.872
8 50% Dutch +50% Swedish @ 10.276
9 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_English @ 10.403
10 50% Norwegian +50% West_Scottish @ 10.499


Thank you

AJL
12-06-2013, 12:12 AM
That's the population you most closely resemble (e.g. Orcadians are from the Orkney Islands north of Scotland), and your distance. 8.80 is pretty far and indicates you are not a good match to a single population so the mixed are more reliable. You are picking up an Eastern Euro influence which is pulling you toward Scandinavia relative to England in the single mode. (Scandinavia is "on the way" from England to Poland.)

You might also want to try the MDLP calculator.

Wulf Talented
12-06-2013, 10:29 AM
That's the population you most closely resemble (e.g. Orcadians are from the Orkney Islands north of Scotland), and your distance. 8.80 is pretty far and indicates you are not a good match to a single population so the mixed are more reliable. You are picking up an Eastern Euro influence which is pulling you toward Scandinavia relative to England in the single mode. (Scandinavia is "on the way" from England to Poland.)

You might also want to try the MDLP calculator.

Unfortunately the MDLP project calculators wont load for me, I just get the 500 server error :(. Is the MDLP project more accurate towards ethnic/genetic make up?

Thank you.

Quick Edit,

23andMe just updated my ancestry composition.

Speculative

1017

Standard
1018

AJL
12-06-2013, 04:08 PM
That still looks quite consistent with your known ancestry. The Polish is probably falling into "Nonspecific Northern European," since there are not so many Polish samples in the database.

I suggest the MDLP as well because it's always useful to have a second system for comparison. If you can't get the Gedmatch version to work or the offline one (e.g. here (http://magnusducatus.blogspot.ca/2011/08/i-have-modified-diydodecad-calculator.html)), you ought to be able to contact one of the two project admins.

Anglecynn
12-06-2013, 09:17 PM
Welcome :)

I think i remember you on Eupedia as well, thanks for sharing your genetic results!

Your results do make a lot of sense if you are 7/8 English/British Isles and 1/8 Polish, as AJL says, the components that are most common in Poland are more common in Scandinavia than in Britain, so being 1/8th Polish makes you look British Isles + Scandinavian, although i don't doubt some calculators will also see it as potential Eastern European ancestry. Your results overall (in the oracle) are fairly similar to my grandfather's, and i'm considering the fact the he might also have a bit of ancestry from eastern Europe, although no confirmation on it so far, it seems possible.

Wulf Talented
12-06-2013, 09:34 PM
That still looks quite consistent with your known ancestry. The Polish is probably falling into "Nonspecific Northern European," since there are not so many Polish samples in the database.

I suggest the MDLP as well because it's always useful to have a second system for comparison. If you can't get the Gedmatch version to work or the offline one (e.g. here (http://magnusducatus.blogspot.ca/2011/08/i-have-modified-diydodecad-calculator.html)), you ought to be able to contact one of the two project admins.

Hmm, For some reason I can't download it either :/. I'll just have to be patient and wait for the online ones to start working. I'll contact one of the admins. Thank you!


Welcome :)

I think i remember you on Eupedia as well, thanks for sharing your genetic results!

Your results do make a lot of sense if you are 7/8 English/British Isles and 1/8 Polish, as AJL says, the components that are most common in Poland are more common in Scandinavia than in Britain, so being 1/8th Polish makes you look British Isles + Scandinavian, although i don't doubt some calculators will also see it as potential Eastern European ancestry. Your results overall (in the oracle) are fairly similar to my grandfather's, and i'm considering the fact the he might also have a bit of ancestry from eastern Europe, although no confirmation on it so far, it seems possible.

I am on Eupedia, I'm 'English Lad' on there :).

Thanks for commenting! It was difficult for me to grasp because I'm looking for my ancient genetic make -up. be it Gaelic, Germanic, Slavic etc.. and the referencing to mostly Germanic popualtions had me confused in that sense.
Since my Polish ancestry is taking me slightly closer to Scandinavia, I guess it'll be difficult to work it all out.

Anglecynn
12-06-2013, 10:07 PM
Hmm, For some reason I can't download it either :/. I'll just have to be patient and wait for the online ones to start working. I'll contact one of the admins. Thank you!



I am on Eupedia, I'm 'English Lad' on there :).

Thanks for commenting! It was difficult for me to grasp because I'm looking for my ancient genetic make -up. be it Gaelic, Germanic, Slavic etc.. and the referencing to mostly Germanic popualtions had me confused in that sense.
Since my Polish ancestry is taking me slightly closer to Scandinavia, I guess it'll be difficult to work it all out.

Yeah i suppose your 'base' ancestry in England might be difficult to work out indeed, but if you ever find another person who has the same ancestry, you could compare and see if there are any significant differences? Although you could just guess based on the history of the regions in which your family come from, and you probably wouldn't be far from the truth given that NW Europeans are all very closely related.

One thing i did notice that is interesting about your results is that your 'North Sea' in the EUtest V2 is very high, this peaks in Orkney and Norway (and probably Iceland too) and may be why it chooses those populations to divide you up between, seeing as that component is at normal levels for both of those populations. So it decides you are an unusual member of one of these two populations. Although your typically eastern European components are quite a bit lower than i would have expected, a little lower than average for where you are from ,which is kind of odd. Maybe it is just due to your English ancestry having very high membership of North Sea for whatever reason, and then your Polish ancestry 'pulling' it down a little bit, but not enough to suggest to the calculator that you have ancestry from eastern Europe.

Edit: You could always talk to 'Polako/David' who runs the Eurogenes project, his main interest is European (and in particular Polish) genetics, and given he does these calculator runs he'll be able to explain it very well. I don't know if he is on this forum though, might be. :P

http://bga101.blogspot.co.uk/

Wulf Talented
12-06-2013, 10:16 PM
Yeah i suppose your 'base' ancestry in England might be difficult to work out indeed, but if you ever find another person who has the same ancestry, you could compare and see if there are any significant differences? Although you could just guess based on the history of the regions in which your family come from, and you probably wouldn't be far from the truth given that NW Europeans are all very closely related.

One thing i did notice that is interesting about your results is that your 'North Sea' in the EUtest V2 is very high, this peaks in Orkney and Norway (and probably Iceland too) and may be why it chooses those populations to divide you up between, seeing as that component is at normal levels for both of those populations. So it decides you are an unusual member of one of these two populations. Although your typically eastern European components are quite a bit lower than i would have expected, a little lower than average for where you are from ,which is kind of odd. Maybe it is just due to your English ancestry having very high membership of North Sea for whatever reason, and then your Polish ancestry 'pulling' it down a little bit, but not enough to suggest to the calculator that you have ancestry from eastern Europe.

That is interesting. Is that due to the calculators needing an update, or needing more samples?

This is what confuses me, I know that by percentage ( theoretically ) I'd be something like 12.5% Slavic/Polish but as mentioned, 23andme might not have enough samples from Poland to distinguish that DNA, but when using these calculators, there's quite a lot less East Euro admixture than expected.. Could the Polish ancestor have been more German(ic). He did afterall live on the border, or very close to. At least from what I've been told by my Grandmother.

I'ts very interesting stuff though!

Anglecynn
12-06-2013, 10:25 PM
That is interesting. Is that due to the calculators needing an update, or needing more samples?

This is what confuses me, I know that by percentage ( theoretically ) I'd be something like 12.5% Slavic/Polish but as mentioned, 23andme might not have enough samples from Poland to distinguish that DNA, but when using these calculators, there's quite a lot less East Euro admixture than expected.. Could the Polish ancestor have been more German(ic). He did afterall live on the border, or very close to. At least from what I've been told by my Grandmother.

I'ts very interesting stuff though!

Well i was thinking mostly in regards to the tests from GEDmatch, it could be that if your English ancestry has high membership of the North Sea cluster and slightly lower membership of the eastern European clusters (in particular South Baltic), then perhaps the small increase from your Polish ancestry might be very hard to see. Although it's interesting that 23&me picks up on only 0.7% Eastern European and 0.9% Balkan, but picks up on 23% French & German. It could well be that if they were on a border close to Germany, that they had some German ancestry, which would make it even harder to notice genetically? It would make logical sense, but i guess there's no way to know for sure what the case is. Although paper ancestry is pretty solid, and i don't think it contradicts your results, they are just not exactly what might be expected - But it still picks up on the essentially 'British Isles + a pull to the east/north east', so i think it is correct, although not exact. Very interesting though.

Wulf Talented
12-06-2013, 10:33 PM
Well i was thinking mostly in regards to the tests from GEDmatch, it could be that if your English ancestry has high membership of the North Sea cluster and slightly lower membership of the eastern European clusters (in particular South Baltic), then perhaps the small increase from your Polish ancestry might be very hard to see. Although it's interesting that 23&me picks up on only 0.7% Eastern European and 0.9% Balkan, but picks up on 23% French & German. It could well be that if they were on a border close to Germany, that they had some German ancestry, which would make it even harder to notice genetically? It would make logical sense, but i guess there's no way to know for sure what the case is. Although paper ancestry is pretty solid, and i don't think it contradicts your results, they are just not exactly what might be expected - But it still picks up on the essentially 'British Isles + a pull to the east/north east', so i think it is correct, although not exact. Very interesting though.

I think you're right about the paper, I'm going to have to take to the family tree and research as much as I can. It's going to be that small annoyance I can't leave alone until I have an answer lol.

Thanks for your help though, :)

Boudicca
12-07-2013, 10:39 PM
That's the population you most closely resemble (e.g. Orcadians are from the Orkney Islands north of Scotland), and your distance. 8.80 is pretty far and indicates you are not a good match to a single population so the mixed are more reliable. You are picking up an Eastern Euro influence which is pulling you toward Scandinavia relative to England in the single mode. (Scandinavia is "on the way" from England to Poland.)



Is that how it works!? These results are very similar to my mother's and I couldn't fathom why she was getting such a Scandinavian pull when on AC she gets under 1% Scandinavian! My Mum is half UK half unknown American buts gets many matches over the 7cM threshold to Hungary. She still gets 0% Eastern European on the new AC but her French/German has increased. Her Non Specific Northern European has reduced to 17%. Is it possible that her similar Oracle results with a pull to Scandinavia and her French/German/Non Specific Northern European could contain/reflect some Hungarian? Thank you for posting your results Wulf Talented!

AJL
12-07-2013, 10:56 PM
Is it possible that her similar Oracle results with a pull to Scandinavia and her French/German/Non Specific Northern European could contain/reflect some Hungarian?

Yes very possible.

Hok
12-08-2013, 10:01 AM
Grats, welcome to the North Sea clan.

Wulf Talented
12-08-2013, 05:25 PM
Thank you for posting your results Wulf Talented!

You're very welcome!


Grats, welcome to the North Sea clan.

Thanks Hok!

Boudicca
12-08-2013, 08:18 PM
Grats, welcome to the North Sea clan.
What is your known ancestry Hok?

Hok
12-09-2013, 06:36 AM
What is your known ancestry Hok?

Dutch&German.:)

Wulf Talented
12-19-2013, 10:17 PM
You might also want to try the MDLP calculator.

The MDLP calculators are up for me. Here is my World 22 results,

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 49.54
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 33.53
3 West-Asian 6.93
4 North-European-Mesolithic 5.20
5 Near_East 3.13
6 Indo-Iranian 1.67


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German_V @ 2.106
2 CEU_V @ 2.521
3 Austrian @ 3.364
4 Welsh @ 5.547
5 Hungarian @ 5.632
6 CEU @ 6.479
7 German-North @ 6.523
8 Slovenian @ 6.960
9 Swedish @ 7.199
10 German @ 7.260

My K12 results,

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Celto_Germanic 37.00
2 East_European 20.07
3 Paleo_Mediterranean 14.38
4 Iberian 11.69
5 Balto_Finnic 7.88
6 Caucasian 5.48
7 Uralic_Permic 1.92
8 Paleo_North_European 1.58


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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 GER @ 6.529
2 FRN @ 17.890
3 CEU @ 19.646
4 GBRWAL @ 23.294
5 SWD @ 24.841
6 HNG @ 25.180
7 GBRKN @ 26.582
8 BLG @ 29.348
9 SLV @ 29.859
10 PRT @ 29.992