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Humanist
12-05-2013, 11:14 PM
Based on the median values of a 2012 Eurogenes SPA run:

Armenian -- A Armenian
Belarusian -- B Balto-Slavic
Bulgarian -- C Balto-Slavic
Lithuanian -- O Balto-Slavic
Polish -- S Balto-Slavic
Russian -- V Balto-Slavic
Ukrainian -- Z Balto-Slavic
Irish -- L Celtic
Danish -- E Germanic
Dutch -- F Germanic
English -- G Germanic
German -- I Germanic
Norwegian -- Q Germanic
Swedish -- X Germanic
Cypriot -- D Hellenic
Greek -- J Hellenic
Iranian -- K Indo-Iranian
Kurdish -- N Indo-Iranian
Ossetian -- R Indo-Iranian
French -- H Italic
Italian -- M Italic
North Italians -- P Italic
Portuguese -- T Italic
Romanian -- U Italic
Spanish -- W Italic
Tuscan -- Y Italic


http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/SPA_Indo_European.jpg

newtoboard
12-27-2013, 08:53 PM
Interesting to see Ossetians plot in a region where Alans actually lived. Surprising because I didn't think they had so much Eastern influence (and I don't think they resemble the ancient Alans besides both primarily being West Asian + Eastern European (the Alan proportion of these components was probably reversed).

Humanist
12-27-2013, 10:37 PM
Based on the median values of a 2012 Eurogenes SPA run:

Armenian -- A Armenian
Belarusian -- B Balto-Slavic
Bulgarian -- C Balto-Slavic
Lithuanian -- O Balto-Slavic
Polish -- S Balto-Slavic
Russian -- V Balto-Slavic
Ukrainian -- Z Balto-Slavic
Irish -- L Celtic
Danish -- E Germanic
Dutch -- F Germanic
English -- G Germanic
German -- I Germanic
Norwegian -- Q Germanic
Swedish -- X Germanic
Cypriot -- D Hellenic
Greek -- J Hellenic
Iranian -- K Indo-Iranian
Kurdish -- N Indo-Iranian
Ossetian -- R Indo-Iranian
French -- H Italic
Italian -- M Italic
North Italians -- P Italic
Portuguese -- T Italic
Romanian -- U Italic
Spanish -- W Italic
Tuscan -- Y Italic


http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/SPA_Indo_European.jpg

Compare to the below map:

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/Faces/IE_Languages.jpg

Source: http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320Hist&Civ/slides/07ie/map1.jpg

parasar
12-27-2013, 11:00 PM
Interesting to see Ossetians plot in a region where Alans actually lived. Surprising because I didn't think they had so much Eastern influence (and I don't think they resemble the ancient Alans besides both primarily being West Asian + Eastern European (the Alan proportion of these components was probably reversed).

The Osset speak an Indo-European language. About the Halani/Alani we are not sure. They might have been some kind a Turk tribe, perhaps the Alpicur. Or maybe Sarmatian (per Sulimirski http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/alans-an-ancient-iranian-tribe-of-the-northern-scythian-saka-sarmatian-massagete-group-known-to-classical-writers-from ).

DMXX
12-27-2013, 11:20 PM
Interesting to see Ossetians plot in a region where Alans actually lived. Surprising because I didn't think they had so much Eastern influence (and I don't think they resemble the ancient Alans besides both primarily being West Asian + Eastern European (the Alan proportion of these components was probably reversed).

North Ossetians were shown to be 7.5% East Eurasian in Dienekes' Dodecad V3 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadDUyeEtjNnBmY09EbnowN3M3UWRyN nc&authkey=COCa89AJ&hl=en_US&authkey=COCa89AJ#gid=0) and this was largely the case in K12b (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE&hl=en_US#gid=0). This would be sufficient in shifting them eastwards a fair bit. Perhaps not the entire way, but certainly into the Caspian sea. The Scytho-Sarmatian connection might explain the rest of that eastward shift.

Anglecynn
12-28-2013, 01:00 AM
Interesting map!

newtoboard
12-28-2013, 12:19 PM
North Ossetians were shown to be 7.5% East Eurasian in Dienekes' Dodecad V3 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadDUyeEtjNnBmY09EbnowN3M3UWRyN nc&authkey=COCa89AJ&hl=en_US&authkey=COCa89AJ#gid=0) and this was largely the case in K12b (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArJDEoCgzRKedEY4Y3lTUVBaaFp0bC1zZlBDcTZEY lE&hl=en_US#gid=0). This would be sufficient in shifting them eastwards a fair bit. Perhaps not the entire way, but certainly into the Caspian sea. The Scytho-Sarmatian connection might explain the rest of that eastward shift.



That makes sense. Given the modern population of Kazakhs in Kazakhstan is eastward shifted. I was just expressing my doubts on whether they would plot in that location if that location was represented by Alans. Probably not IMO.