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04-17-2019, 01:30 PM
Just got my 23andMe results back this morning, and this is my paternal Haplogroup. It says it is rare in that only 1 in 11,000 23andMe customers share this group. The journey is below... can anyone tell me more?

A (275,000 years ago) > F-M89 > K-M9 > R-M207 > R-M343 > R-M269 (10,000 years ago) > R-L196 (Today)

The spread of haplogroup R-M269 in northern Ireland and Scotland was likely aided by men like Niall of the Nine Hostages. Perhaps more myth than man, Niall of the Nine Hostages is said to have been a King of Tara in northwestern Ireland in the late 4th century C.E. His name comes from a tale of nine hostages that he held from the regions he ruled over. Though the legendary stories of his life may have been invented hundreds of years after he died, genetic evidence suggests that the Uí Néill dynasty, whose name means "descendants of Niall," did in fact trace back to just one man who bore a branch of haplogroup R-M269.

The Uí Néill ruled to various degrees as kings of Ireland from the 7th to the 11th century C.E. In the highly patriarchal society of medieval Ireland, their status allowed them to have outsized numbers of children and spread their paternal lineage each generation. In fact, researchers have estimated that between 2 and 3 million men with roots in north-west Ireland are paternal-line descendants of Niall

04-17-2019, 02:33 PM
R-L196 is a clade below R-U152 -> R-L2; you can see it in trees here (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/R;name=R-L196), here (https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=2055), and here (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L196/). Based on the age estimates from the last two links, the most recent common ancestor of all R-L196 men lived about 1000 to 2000 years ago.

FWIW, that blurb 23andMe has about Niall of the Nine Hostages has nothing to do with your particular branch; it appears to be a placeholder they use for R-M269 subgroups that don't have a more specific writeup.

04-19-2019, 06:46 PM
I found this interesting:


Who Needs This Test and Why?

This type of test is targeted at males who have one or both situations below.
1.Has currently taken every available test, meaning through 111 markers and every applicable SNP test for your known haplogroup, and you still need additional information to differentiate lines. Lines, in this context, can mean either family lines or clan lines. With the advent of this new test, some men may want to skip the interim SNP testing and just move directly to this more comprehensive test.
2.Those who want to learn all they can, participate in and contribute to research. When new SNPs are discovered during the process, which is the goal of the testing, Family Tree DNA has committed to add them to the tree in their proper location immediately. It’s fun to be part of the discovery process and learn something in the process.

Case in Point – Terry Barton

The first SNP that was discovered that was genealogically useful was when Terry Barton was tested several years ago. Initially, this SNP divided the Barton men, but was considered a private SNP because it was not yet found in other surnames. Terry founded the haplogroup R-L196 project. Today, this SNP has been found in the Fowler and Eskew surnames as well, so it is no longer considered a private SNP. The age of this SNP appears to be between 500 and 1000 years and Terry feels that this SNP developed in Lancashire where his ancestors emerged.

With the discovery of family line SNPs, genealogists will be able to use both the regular STR marker tests combined with SNPs to further delineate family groups.

Fowler is my last name. Looks like 23andMe hit the nail on the head?